imagine being a voltagelet
>>2060364Is this real? You guys don't have electrified rail?
>>2060374
>>2060374Various railroads tried electrification in the early 20th century when steam ruled the rails to combat local problems like smoke abatement, tunnels, and grades. Virginian, N&W, GN, and the Milwaukee Road all had their own electrified segments, among other lines. The diesels did it in, once the second generation locomotives hit the rails most of the wire had been pulled down.
>>2060387Probably for the same reason that trolley cars were replaced with buses: lobbying by motor companies.
>>2060391bot
>>2060391>lobbying by motor companiesYes, that surely has to be reason and not cheaper operations, more flexible routes, and so on. By 1914 the idea of someone with a car and a chauffeur's license and transporting someone to their destination directly was so widespread streetcar systems were losing hundreds of dollars (1914 dollars) a day and were getting laws passed to ban the practice.
>>2060387Interesting
KEEPING THE DREAM ALIVE
>>2060387>>2060391Electrification is only better than diesel if you have enough part of the rail network electrified and traffic is high enough for the fixed costs to be offset by cheaper operation. Early electrification was at times just specific stretches, like a steep grade or a tunnel. This would mean switching locomotives which is time and labour intensive. With diesel locomotives the bothersome operation of these electrified stretches could be done away with. Henceforth electrification was only implemented for larger networks, like the northeast corridor, or in Europe for large chunks of the national rail networks.tl;dr usefulness of electrification depends on the situation, and some early electrification was only to mitigate steam-specific limitations.
>>2060478i think that's my first time seeing a mainline train with a trolley polealso holy shit those wires could use some tension
>>2060365i'm always amazed at how the dirt poor pajeets are able to have a 90+ percent electrified network in a giant country while westoids will spend billions on developing gadgety battery train technology instead of just putting the damn wire up
>>2060528It's quite simple when you've a massive central bureaucracy, a cult-of-personality government, little to no rule of law and anti-corruption oversight, plus access to billions in World Bank investment since the late 1940s.
>>2060530and do you have any evidence that india's electrification was due to corruption?
>>2060531Specifically? No, just that the presence of everything else I noted enables corruption: especially in a country with a Corruption Perception Index of 36 (0 meaning corrupt, 100 meaning clean) as of 2024.>https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2024/index/ind
>>2060530good points, yet i still think we could easily do it with our wealth if there was any political will to make things better. like those battery (or even worse, fucking hydrogen) gimmicks are obviously inferior technology to good ol copper wire with a stick, and yet we will spend a ton of money on them while ignoring actual long-term investments that would benefit everyone (including our budgets) in the long run. why? seems to me like a priorities issue.
>>2060532>Specifically? Nothen the relevance is, especially when corruption usually makes infrastructure projects harder and more expensive?
>>2060534Whether or not corruption makes infrastructure projects harder and more expensive is besides the point. It's relevant because, like I said, corruption doesn't exist in a vacuum: it's an inevitable outcome of all the other things I mentioned as well.
>>2060537you are ignoring the key point: what is the relevance?
>>2060538I'm not sure what you're demanding I prove. As I said, I don't have any evidence that India's railway electrification was 'due to corruption', as was asked in >>2060531, because that doesn't make sense. We don't seem to be arguing whether or not India is considered to be 'somewhat corrupt', either.If we're in agreement that India is a 'somewhat corrupt' country, as I've pointed out in >>2060532, then there are many ways that corruption could have occurred in the electrification project. The specific methods aren't relevant, though, as you say.
>>2060539>then there are many ways that corruption could have occurred in the electrification projectyou were directly saying that corruption made electrification easier
>>2060393if only these people were bots. They all just watched the same wendover production video 10 years ago and never grew up and actually looked into anything.
>>2060527Calling IATR anything "mainline" is a big stretch.They run almost 11 miles outside of Mason City, IA serving local industries and interchanging with UP and CPKC.
>>2060553"main line" can also mean "part of the national railway network", which as you can see from your pic they clearly are
>>2060554"no"
>>2060556I never worked under GCOR when I railroaded, but that main track definition feels whack when you throw in yard limits.
>>2060556not present: a definition of "main line"
>>2060559Main track is the same thing as main line, moron.
>>2060558Yard limits is an authority type under GCOR.
>>2060562no it isn't, you fucking retard
>>2060567You tell me what the difference is, jack ass.>>2060563I know. I argued with people all the time that yard limits is your authority for occupying the main, not the yard master's ROUTING INSTRUCTIONS. I pulled out my old rule book and it turns out it has the same definition for main track as GCOR.
>>2060570Nta but I worked a number of territories and never saw a yard with Yard Limits. Every one I worked into was designated "Other Than Main Track." I don't remember Argentine having them and I was told it was the biggest on the system. I began to wonder where they actually were, maybe it was mostly a holdover from a predecessor railroad on a distant part of the system.Not making an argument one way or the other, it was just funny to me that a bunch of rail yards don't have Yard Limits in the technical sense.
>>2060571Yard limits doesn't necessarily equal a yard and vice versa. Yard limits only applies on the main and not yard tracks. Where I worked, there was loads of yard limits.
>>2060362Electric trains have no oomph and are bad for your health, think ill stick with my CAR
>>2060572As an example of "not really a yard" having yard limits, we had 4 mile stretch designated as yard limits because there were 2 grain elevators side by side with a few storage tracks. It was easier to coordinate multiple jobs pulling and spotting and letting trains through than dealing with a dispatcher controlling it.
>>2060553Me on the right
>>2060570>You tell me what the difference is, jack ass.well it appears that under GCOR "main line" isn't a term in the rules
>>2060606Yeah, because the term used is main track. So again, what's the difference?
>>2060607the difference is that main line is used in different contexts to mean different thingsi'm not sure why you're struggling with this
>>2060611When would main track not mean main line?
