>>2062452
You’ve already been counter steering, just unconsciously. Now you are consciously doing it, your riding is already improved. That’s it. There’s no hidden depth to it.

>>2062453
Woah...

>>2062452
countesteering is a motorcycle thing for high speed slow turning (you lean and turn a little to the outside to put the wheels out of alignment wrt your mnotorcycle's actual facing so you sorta bow/slide over and are pointed a little better for subsequent turns) and cyclists just coopted the word to express that they have to still balance during a low speed turn so they sound cooler

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>>2062452
>countersteering always works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClmFaHuJUDU&t=111s
Also, watch where you are going, works even in tight slow turns.
Thank me later, greetings from >>>/o/dbt/

>>2062452
You don't have to 'get' anything here. A monkey can ride a bike and not have a clue how or why it works.
In fact physicists have been struggling with some other details about bicycle dynamics for a long time, until very recently.
But if you really want to know the simple part: The bicycle is always falling slowly. You steer to move the contact patch back under the COG. Usually it will then fall to the other side and you steer to righten it. The falling and steering and all that is minute and random, you do not notice it, let alone consciously do it.
Now to corner you will have to lean the bike. So that the COG can be in line with the desulting force vector of gravtiational and 'centripedal' force. To do this you will steer away from fhe corner. That tilts the bike, and when it's at satisfactoey angle you steer straight and take the corner. The feedback loop of deviation from and correction around that ideal point from above will continue through the corner. At the end of the corner you will do the exact opposite: Steer into the corner. This will bring your COG above your wheels. Steer straight again and go back to the feedback loop that defines riding a bicycle.
How did you learn all this? The bike taught you when you learned to go straight. It is all the same phenomenon: The bike leans, you steer, the bike leans the other way. So consequentially you steer and the bike leans. That is the simple part of why bicycles stay upright within a certain speed interval and with steering input.
Idk how you can not know this but hopefully now you do.
Please do not try to consciously make any steering move. No one does that.

>>2062468
You should try intentionally steering. Your explanation is great but if you aren’t deciding where the bike wants to go irl you still have some room to improve.

>>2062470
It's almost as if the intentional thing here was the misunderstanding.
What I mean was: OP should not yank on his bars in a preconcwived way. But this probably is obvious to OP and I believe his survival instincts have so far kept him from doing that. I bet it's mentally really hard anyways to ride and choose to apply full steering lock at speed. Results are like when you don't land a wheelie with your wheel straight.

>>2062452
bicycles respond to countersteering, but don't need it
motorcycles need it because that's the only feasible way to lean them over, you turn away from the corner to make it start falling into the corner and then catch it with steering before it falls too much, but on a bicycle you just lean over yourself, because on a bicycle you are 7/8 of the weight of the system, while on a motorcycle you are 1/3 the weight and have to also fight a far more stable geometry and gyroscoping of way heavier and faster-spinning wheels.

>>2062492
This however is completely wrong and uninformed. The claim turning bicycles didn't reqzire countersteering doesn't even stand against most basic scrutiny.
You can hang off a bike to the side as much as you want and still go straight.
If only shifting your weight off center, away from the plumb line to the contact patches, would cause your bike to turn. How could it be you can hang off your bike to the side, keep it uoright AND go in a straight line instead of an arc.

>>2062468
>The bicycle is always falling slowly.
The bike will keep riding for a fucking mile by itself

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>>2062499
That is correct, within a given interval of speeds. But this is due to the steering geometry, that will make the wheel turn in the required direction to move the COG back into the plumb line above the contact patch. It will not work at low speed or high speed and if the steering geometey is not conventional it will not do this at all.
On a parallel 75 for example there's only a very narrow range where this happens.
You'll not come across a commercial bicycle where there is no such range of stable speeds. But it's possible.

>>2062497
>How could it be you can hang off your bike to the side, keep it uoright AND go in a straight line
because to go in a straight line while leaning off the bike, you gotta lean the bike the opposite way, not keep it straight

>>2062452
When you steer left you are moving the wheels out from under you, which makes you fall right, which makes you turn right. That's essentially it.
Thankfully your brain is smarter than you and as other people have said you don't have to think about it, you're already doing it right.

>>2062477
I apologise for the misunderstanding, I agree.

>>2062530
Bro we on 4chan

>>2062492
It is not possible to steer a two wheeled vehicle without counter steering

>>2062575
It's no use. I literally took a bicycle dynamics / physics course in uni but anons ITT will instead insist on their infantile intuition about it.

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>>2062575

Everyone ITT is now manually countersteering

>>2062618
You know he means single track.

I just lock the rear wheel while leaning and enter a sick drift, and maintain balance with my body weight alone.