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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/appeals-court-upholds-e-jean-carrolls-83-million-judgment-trump-rcna212907

A federal appeals court on Monday rejected President Donald Trump's appeal of writer E. Jean Carroll's defamation verdict against the president, leaving him on the hook for the $83 million judgment.

"[W]e conclude that Trump has failed to identify any grounds that would warrant reconsidering our prior holding on presidential immunity. We also conclude that the district court did not err in any of the challenged rulings and that the jury’s damages awards are fair and reasonable," the ruling by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said.

"The record in this case supports the district court’s determination that the ‘the degree of reprehensibility’ of Mr. Trump’s conduct was remarkably high, perhaps unprecedented,” the three-judge panel found, referring to the punitive damages award against the president.

Trump's attorneys had argued the verdict needed to be tossed because it "severely damages the presidency and is a great miscarriage of justice."

Carroll's lawyer had told the appeals court it should stand because "the president is not above the law."
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NBC News has reached out to a representative of Trump's for comment.

Carroll attorney Roberta Kaplan said in a statement that, "We look forward to an end to the appellate process so that justice will finally be done.”

A New York jury returned the verdict in January of last year, awarding Carroll $83.3 million in damages for Trump repeatedly defaming her during his first term in office and in the years that followed — including during the defamation trial.

The amount Trump has to pay has increased in the months since then, thanks to New York’s 9% annual interest rate on such awards.

Trump first alleged Carroll was a liar in 2019 after she went public with a claim that Trump had sexually assaulted her in the dressing room of a Manhattan department store in the mid-1990s. Trump denied the allegations and called the claims a "hoax" and a "con job," and said that Carroll had made up the story to increase sales of a book she had coming out.

Carroll filed two lawsuits against Trump. The first was for defaming her while he was president — the case that led to the $83 million verdict.

While that case was tied up on an earlier appeal, Carroll filed a second case for defamatory comments Trump made after he left the White House, and also for the alleged assault itself, an action that was made possible after New York passed a law that opened a one-year window for adult victims of sexual offenses to file civil suits even if the statute of limitations on their claims had expired — as it had for Carroll.

The jury in that case found Trump liable for sexually abusing Carroll and defaming her, and awarded her $5 million in damages in May 2023.
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Those findings wound up focusing the second trial solely on damages, which Trump's lawyers unsuccessfully challenged in their appeal. They also contended the verdict should be tossed because Trump was protected by presidential immunity when he first made the comments. His initial denial was put out through the White House press office, which also disseminated comments he made to reporters the next day, they noted.

"The two statements on matters of public concern issued through official White House channels fall squarely within the outer perimeter of President Trump’s official responsibilities," his attorneys argued.

Carroll's lawyers contended the comments involved Trump's "personal conduct."

Trump "was not speaking here about a governmental policy or a function of his responsibilities as President," they argued in a filing. "He was defaming Carroll because of her revelation that many years before he assumed office, he sexually assaulted her. The defamation at issue concerned quintessentially 'personal' conduct."

They also contended he'd waited too long to raise the immunity defense. Trump attorney Justin Smith told the appeals court judges at a hearing in June that last year's Supreme Court ruling broadening the scope of presidential immunity shows that the immunity defense is "not waivable."

Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, countered that the word "waiver" doesn't even appear in that Supreme Court ruling.

Kaplan also urged the judges not to reduce the jury's award, which included $11 million for damage to Carroll’s reputation, $7.3 million for emotional harm and other damages, and $65 million in punitive damages.

The punitive award "was not only just, but clearly aimed at the goal of deterring further defamation," Kaplan argued.
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"Throughout the trial, the jury had a front-row seat to Trump’s relentless campaign of malice, including his repeated defamation of Carroll at press conferences he held and in statements he posted on social media while the trial was ongoing," she said, adding that the verdict shows "that even the richest and most powerful can be held responsible under our legal system."

The appeals court agreed, rejecting the immunity arguments and finding the high punitive damages award was warranted.

"Given the unique and egregious facts of this case, we conclude that the punitive damages award did not exceed the bounds of reasonableness," the panel found, saying Trump's conduct "involved malice and deceit, caused severe emotional injury, and continued over at least a five-year period."

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals also affirmed last year the $5 million verdict in Carroll's first suit. Trump is appealing that ruling to the Supreme Court.

The president has repeatedly denied Carroll’s allegations and any wrongdoing in the case.
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At this point, the only weird part of this story is that Donald is preying on a woman above the age of consent.
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>>1433064
Democrats are staying on this hoax because it keeps them from having to talk about how Trump is destroying liberalism in the US
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>>1433066
Liberalism as in separation of powers, free trade, and freedom of expression? He's definitely doing that too, and we can talk about it. I know diddling kids is more of a side hustle for him.
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>>1433066
Where did you hear it was a hoax?
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Right wing Libertarians and original conservatives REALLY need to clean up the Trump filth if they're ever going to not be looked at like the scourge at this point.
We went from "The files don't exist" to "Trump is an informant" to "They don't exist" again. And before then, 'Save the children' and 'Release the Epstein Files'. Thus:
>>1433066
>how Trump is destroying libertarianism in the US
Fixed that for you
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>>1433059
>this case again
want to know one of the best NPC baits there is? Here it goes:

What evidence is there that Trump raped E. Jean Carroll?

and now we wait for the NPCs to out themselves.
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>>1433173
Trump lost
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>>1433173
the trial itself is proof Trump sexually abused her
>The jury in that case found Trump liable for sexually abusing Carroll and defaming her, and awarded her $5 million in damages in May 2023.

You might be confused because Trump raped multiple minors with his good friend Epstein.
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>>1433173
The truly hilarious thing is that you don't realize you're the NPC here.
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>>1433177
>>1433174
>t. NPC
the trial is not proof. Your greentext is not proof. You greentext is other people saying that they believe Trump is a rapist.
So what evidence did those people rely on?

This is why that question is perfect NPC bait: NPCs like you think "Here is proof that other people believe it's true" is the same as "Here is proof that it's true." Because as an NPC you're not capable of analyzing evidence and instead just believe what others told you.
We've literally had this thread before. Like a dozen times. And you always expose yourselves as NPCs because NPCs literally don't even understand the concept of "evidence." To an NPC like you, "evidence" is just "but this is what other people told me!!!"
>>1433178
The truly hilarious thing is that you don't realize you just conceded and I accept your concession.
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>>1433179
you sure talk a lot for someone with nothing to say
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>>1433180
>I concede
and I accept your concession
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>>1433180
I'm starting to think it's one of these bots from >>1433155
Every time it gets a reply he pretends it's winning an imaginary argument and declares victory.
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>>1433179
>the trial where he was found guilty doesn't count as proof he's guilty
This is a delectable level of cope.
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>>1433182
THIS!!! Like, OMG obviously he hasn't won the argument lol. He really thinks we don't have evidence that Trump raped Carroll? Of course we have evidence that Trump raped Carroll! We have so much evidence!!!

....btw what is the evidence? Like I just want to know so I can pwn the Chuds haha with the evidence that definitely exists because it's real evidence that we aren't making up at all!
so...... what is the evidence?
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>>1433184
>other people saying that they think he's guilty is not proof that he is guilty
You are so NPC that you don't even realize how much of an NPC you are. Have you ever had an opinion of your own or do you just believe what you're programmed to believe?
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>>1433188
>Guys the jury is just some people with an opinion
Ok so should we release every single prisoner ever convicted then?
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>>1433186
>collaborated testimony isn't evidence
>clear pattern of behavior isn't evidence
>blowing up your own alibi isn't evidence
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>>1433190
>Guys the jury is just some people with an opinion
literally yes holy shit does a single one of you Zoomer NPCs have any idea how our justice system works?

Thanks for proving >>1433173 though, you're all NPCs who base your opinions on what other people tell you because NPCs can't think for yourselves. Otherwise you would be telling me what evidence the jury used (you can't)
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>>1433193
>literally yes holy shit does a single one of you Zoomer NPCs have any idea how our justice system works?
Do you? Because you clearly don't seem to care that it found Trump guilty.
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>>1433192
no, the shill is just being deliberately dense because the Caroll case wasn't technically rape.
It was sexual abuse though, and that is confirmed.

Trump raped kids though, so maybe thats where they're getting libs saying that Trump is a rapist.
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>>1433059
>unprecedented
There's that buzzword again. Any judge that uses that word better damn sure make sure there is no case law precedent.
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>>1433192
>witness testimony isn't proof of election fraud
>but witness testimony is proof of rape
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>>1433208
Have it hold up in court and we'll talk.
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>>1433211
>we've invested ourselves and found nothing wrong
Cool faggot
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>>1433192
>>1433202
and this evidence is...?
>alibi
lol, where were you in 1994 or 1995 or early 1996? If you can't give me an alibi for that I guess that means you're a rapist! Carroll can't even remember what year this allegedly happened, so how could there be an alibi?
but you didn't think of that because you're an NPC
>>1433201
>found Trump guilty
>I'm a Zoomer who doesn't understand how the justice system works
it found Trump civilly liable, not "guilty." This is the problem with education becoming woke, now we have a whole generation of you kids who are clueless about anything.
BTW the fact that your response to "what evidence is there" is just "but other people believe it so it must be true!" is a perfect example of NPC thinking.
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>woke
>>1433221 is a NPC that can't give a proper definition of that word. But to them, 'Woke' = anything rightards don't like
https://i.postimg.cc/TPv2RGY8/woke.jpg
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>>1433225
>no u!
lol, the NPC is flustered after being exposed for thinking that "other people believe Trump is a rapist" is somehow evidence that he's a rapist

btw "woke" means "hating white males" and related views.
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Most of the money was because of the defamation and because Alina Habba isn't qualified to do her job
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>>1433229
I hope the divine retribution you face for defending pedophile rapists is mighty and true
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>>1433212
You took it to a court of law some sixty-something times at least, and the court found your arguments less compelling than the state's. Every. Single. Time. Election fraud is not the hardest thing to prove with the right statistics. People can prove it happens in countries they aren't even IN, for fuck's sake. So either you never had a case, or your case was presented so incompetently that you desrve to lose anyway.
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uh oh, 1433229 is offended again due to being called out on defending an orange pedo and still can't define 'woke'
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>>1433231
According to whom?
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>>1433173
Damn, bro. Trump should have hired you as his lawyer instead. Maybe you should ask the jury if they considered that
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>>1433260
he defends Trump in the court of public opinion with denials and deflections, and he does it for free
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>>1433260
Damn, bro, way to concede the point by failing to provide any evidence.
>>1433277
you too
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>>1433249
>the court found your arguments less compelling than the state's
Imagine if you saw your neighbor get hit my a negligent driver. If you tried to file a lawsuit on behalf of your neighbor, the courts would tell you to fuck off because 1) you're not the affected party and 2) no remedy the court could provide would actually help the victim because they're not involved in the lawsuit.
That's basically what happened in all the 2020 election fraud cases. The courts took one look at the case and said 'oh what the fuck, there's 170m+ people who were also disaffected by the fraud, why are you suing on their behalf?' and then threw the case out.
Of course, it's totally unreasonable to assume that all 170m+ would file a class action lawsuit against the fucking government, and the government wasn't going to stall the election, so the courts unanimously told everybody to fuck off.
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>>1433321
Oh, Cope away for the windy weather, boys
Cope away, boys, Cope away
Oh, Cope away and pull together boys
Cope away, boys, Cope away

Cope away and let’s get’er goin’ boys
Cope away, boys, Cope away
Cope away for the merchants’ money boys
Cope away, boys, Cope away

Cope away like jolly young sailor boys
Cope away, boys, Cope away
Cope away and roll her over boys
Cope away, boys, Cope away
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>>1433321
esl
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>>1433321
Imagine you allege you got hit by a negligent driver, but you couldn't provide any evidence of your car being damaged or that you ever even met the guy you were accusing.

That's what the 2020 election fraud cases were.
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>>1433324
Imagine you allege you got hit by a negligent driver, but you couldn't provide any evidence of your car being damaged or what date or month or year it happened and you claim it happened in a place where security cameras and witnesses would have at least been able to confirm that the other driver's car was in the same area as yours at the same time and your story is that the other driver was chasing after you because he found you so irresistable and charming and was overcome with lust even though you're an old hag and he dates porn stars and supermodels.

Now guess which case that is.
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>>1433329
t. Sidney Powell
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>>1433151
>Right wing Libertarians and original conservatives REALLY need to clean up the Trump filth
lmao
They either abandoned their principles or became irrelevant. Do people even remember the Lincoln project from Trump 1?
Conservatives as a whole either bowed down to Trump or became marginalized. Even the ones complaining about it, like Mitch Mcconnell, paved the way for him.
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>>1433321
>Imagine
>hit my a
>my
Imagine being American with the ability to spell properly, >>1433321
>>1433277
Careful, the Trump shill that shits up threads in /news/ will be reduced to ad hominems by calling you a 'kike' and demand that you 'Denounce the Talmud' as a deflection technique - also reduced to projection - when he and his wrong opinions are cornered with no way of escape from humiliation. If it pleases the court, I'd like to present Exhibit A: >>1433318
The prosecution rests.
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>>1433345
I bet they're the sort of faggot to deliberately introduce all those spelling errors into their posts just so they can gaslight themselves into believing their arguments are valid, they're just being mocked for spelling/grammatical errors.
All while ignoring their actual arguments getting BTFO all over the place.



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