>>1437605
Yeah no shit. Shooting one guy, with plans to only shoot that one guy for personal reasons and no one else, isn't terrorism.

>>1437605
>Mangione's defense attorneys had attempted to have his state case dismissed over claims that it conflicts with the federal indictment.
They're right about this.

>>1437605
But he was trying to stoke fear amongst the victim’s peers… That’s terrorism!

>>1437612
and you are trying to stroke a cock, because you are gay, and your ideology is gay

>>1437609
>with plans to only shoot that one guy for personal reasons
>that he personally did not know
>with his personal reasons to target the health care system in the US and send a message
>"The problem with most revolutionary acts is that the message is lost on normies.”
>isn't terrorism.

>>1437612
The government stokes fear of obey or suffer... that's terrorism too.

>>1437605
That's... surprising. But I guess it makes sense. Not really a terrorism since it's just the murder of a healthcare CEO. Doesn't strike me as something trying to rally any action. I wonder what's gonna happen to the dude.

>>1437619
Yeah that is what was determined by the judge.

The funniest part is, there's a decent chance he doesn't even get convicted for murder because of how thoroughly the cops and prosecution have fucked up.

>>1437605
>terrorism charges won't stick
If this happened 10 or 15 years ago they would try to say he was radicalized by ISIS and the judge would probably believe them.

>>1437605
They were aiming the terrorist charge because of the public's joy over this happening. Tried to make an example of him through intimidation and fear... because kids, including yours, can be killed but how dare you touch one of the millionaires that maim and murder by proxy.

>>1437645
Remember how even Magats were cheering until influential Republicans scolded them... then they reversed course... like always with those trained doggies.( I was gonna say mutts, but most are inbred, pure breeds, so not mutts)

>>1437634
Fruit of the poisoned tree, ftw.

>>1437645
>the publics joy
Your echo-chamber does not reflect the public writ large.

>>1437662
Convenient memory hole you have, anon.

>>1437619
The system is the one terrozizing us, not the other way around. Keep gobbling up corporate boots low life loser

>>1437661
Genuinely curious what they'll even have left to present at his trial. They can't use his backpack because it was searched illegally and that shit was like, the entire proof they had it was him. They might genuinely be forced to present just the security footage and say "Well, doesn't this LOOK like him?" which is nowhere near enough to build a case on. Especially when the motive of "he or a loved one were screwed over by the health insurance industry" literally could apply to half the country.

>>1437627
You can contort anybody into ‘terrorist’ with your logic.

>>1437605
>The judge overseeing the New York state case against Luigi Mangione dismissed terrorism charges in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson but allowed other charges, including second-degree murder, to stand.
>second degree murder
>second degree
I'm sorry what

>>1437678
>second degree
wait wut. That can't be second degree. How could luigi not be motivated to murder the CEO peep. That makes no sense

>>1437681
Biased judge probably. It is NYC after all.
Many such cases.

different jurisdictions have different definitions, New York (state and city) considers intentional or aggravated unintentional murder second degree, and aggravated intentional murder first degree. terrorism would have made it aggravated, so when that got dismissed, so did first degree murder
tldr; second degree murder is intentional murder

>>1437681
>>1437682
see >>1437685

Second degree murder in NYC just means premeditated. First degree requires the victim to have been either:
>A member of law enforcement or state official
>Have been killed to prevent the exposure of other crimes
>Have been subjected to a particularly cruel and drawn out death
>Was part of something that attempted to kill either multiple people or did kill multiple people

By pretty much every metric having a plan to find someone who wronged you and shooting them in the head is just second degree.

>>1437695
Alright then, I guess I was retarded.
Sorry.

>>1437685
oh wow. That's a weird definition of second degree. My understanding was first degree is anything premeditated, second degree isn't but you did it intentionally-ish, and third degree is wholly unintentional. And turns out I'm sorta wrong. In florida first degree is any killing done alongside a felony, second degree is defined as a killing done alongside a second degree felony or you be an accomplice to one, and third I was right with it being entirely unintentional.

>>1437734
>My understanding was first degree is anything premeditated, second degree isn't but you did it intentionally-ish, and third degree is wholly unintentional.
I don't know what's going up with Florida. Unintentional murder is universally manslaughter (that's the whole point of the charge). Degrees usually correlate to motivation/context:
>Third means heat of the moment murder (IE getting pissed at someone and slamming a bat into the back of their head so hard you kill them)
>Second is actually usually non-premeditated but covered up murder (for example after you do the aforementioned bat killing, you bury the body in a shallow grave and steal his wallet so no one knows who it is)
>First is premeditated and intentionally malicious murder (IE just rolling up to someone's house, shooting them, then dumping their body while getting a fake alibi)

Again it does vary state by state (Hence NYC Second Degree requirements being most states' First Degree requirements) so that's understandable.

>>1437605
Good. Luigi did nothing wrong. I still think he's being framed, and hope he gets off scott free.

Corporate privilege. Campbell's Soup has been poisoning water in Ohio. Will only face minimum fines, at least not bad enough to bankrupt them, zero jail time for the CEO that signed off on dumping contaminates. If an individual did that it would be life ending jailtime. Corporations suck. Long Live, Luigi!

>>1437989
Yay, cancer!

Poisoning water used to be an act of war... I guess it is just business now.

>>1437989
Dumping their Chicken Noodle Goop in the river? That stuff is toxic. Anyway, I say lock up the CEO and the owners (the majority shareholders). I'm kind of sick of the 'too many people to blame' game.
>>1437990
Nah, not cancer, algae. You'll live as long as you don't touch the toxic algae blooms.

>>1438040
>Anyway, I say lock up the CEO and the owners (the majority shareholders). I'm kind of sick of the 'too many people to blame' game.
Campbell's donated nearly exclusively to Democrats. So, yes, lock them up.

>>1437634
Lack of tangible evidence?

>>1438064
They have screwed up every step of the way towards securing evidence and not tainting the trial ahead of time. The defense lawyer still has a bit of an uphill battle but I'll be damned if the state, prosecution, and police haven't done their best to make them a set of stairs.

I mean, I agree that Luigi wasn't acting with the intent to cause terror, so the terrorism charges being dropped make sense.

but ffs, yesterday a mentally ill man crashed his car into the front gates of the Pittsburgh FBI field office, hopped out of his car and threw an american flag over the fence, and the FBI is investigating it as an act of terror lmao.

This really makes me wonder what their bar for "terrorism" is

>>1438126
Its New York. You cant expect sane decisions coming out of the courts up there.

>>1438126
It's the way terrorism is defined in the statutes. Violence meant to intimidate or coerce a "civilian population" (debatable what this means) OR a unit of government.

>>1437682
*based judge

>>1438126
the whole point of the terrorism label is too be able to justify punitive punishment on your enemies

>>1437645
>the millionaires that maim and murder by proxy.
Like Charlie Kirk?

>>1437605
I'd have respect for the law if prosecutors didn't try to slap every single obscure charge on this guy beyond what he did. They're no different from anyone else and use law for their own benefit.

Genuinely surprised good things can still happen with this administration. If he did it, he did the right thing. Fuck those white collar murderers.

>>1437660
It honestly made me incredibly sad when that happened. I was like, yeah, man, you get it. They were so close to actually realizing that they have the power to make things better for themselves and think of the big picture annnnnd they fell in line like the cult they are.

>>1437662
You do not have to pretend to suck dick for the evil healthcare CEO, anon.

>>1437619
Yep, not terrorism. But it was murder and thats what he is getting charged with

>>1437634
How did they fuck up? I havent heard anything anout that.

>>1438829
How was Kirk killing people? He was running around campuses talking provocatively but he didnt do anything nearly as bad as that CEO.

>>1439554
iirc, they illegally searched his bag, didn't do the miranda rights properly, the prosecutors eavesdropped on attorney-client communications and then later "mistakenly" received and reviewed his entire medical record instead of just the proof that he was insured that they were supposed to get, the ridiculous perp walk they did for him with the mayor was prejudicial, they leaked parts of the trial to the press before the defense attorneys even knew about them, they have refused to allow him to have a basic laptop to review case materials with, and they've been months late on some of the court records that they have strict legally mandated deadlines on, without even filing a request to extend the deadline.

>>1440000
Also it seems likely that they used some unconstitutional shit to track him and the elderly McDonald's employee being able to recognize him was just parallel construction. No proof of that, of course, but mcgrandma would need some exceptional eyesight otherwise.

>>1440000
And because they keep running their mouths, they're tainting the jury pool pretty hard. It's going to be hard to find jurors who have not heard the mayor or the police or the prosecutors talking shit in interviews.

They'll offer him 2 years probation in a plea so they can claim a win in court. Preferably better than getting laughed out with such tainted evidence. Jury annulled if it goes to trial.

I have uhc for years and now they won't let me sign into my account unless I give them a phone number. I give them my phone number and they still won't let me sign in. What do they all want your phone number so bad so they can pry into your life and sell your information? Yah they are bastards and once I called the nurse help line on my card and they were totally rude and hang up on me.