DHS announces they will not be complying with Newsome's unconditional publicity stunt and tell him to go pound sand, California doesn't control federal policy.https://thehill.com/national-security/5516288-dhs-ice-california-mask-ban/DHS says ICE won’t comply with California ban on agents wearing masksThe Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said Monday it would not follow California’s new law banning its agents from covering their faces during enforcement operations.“To be clear: We will NOT comply with [California Gov.] Gavin Newsom’s unconstitutional mask ban,” DHS said Monday in a post on the social platform X.DHS suggested the masks provide protection for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, who have seen a sharp rise in attacks in recent months.“At a time that ICE law enforcement faces a 1,000% increase in assaults and their family members are being doxxed and targeted, the sitting Governor of California signed unconstitutional legislation that strips law enforcement of protections in a disgusting, diabolical fundraising and PR stunt,” DHS said in a statement.Newsom, a possible 2028 presidential contender, signed a first-of-its-kind bill on Saturday banning ICE agents from wearing masks while operating in the state.He said ICE agents would no longer be “hidden from accountability,” arguing masks prevent “transparency” for citizens and hinder “oversight.” “That’s Trump’s America, but that’s not the America we’ve grown up in. And so we are pushing back,” the governor said during remarks at a local high school. The Trump administration’s crackdown on illegal immigration has hit California especially hard, where 27 percent of the residents are born outside the country. DHS has said 5,000 immigrants living in the U.S. illegally were arrested in Los Angeles from June to August.Newsom’s office did not respond to an immediate request for comment.
I'd just like to ask what exactly makes the request by Newsome 'unconstitutional'?
>>1441141That's how you don't have to do anything. It is unconstitutional that I answered you. It's unconstitutional to reply. Just more gayness, from closet fags. Which is also unconstitutional.
>>1441139So, Newsom's plan was to dox ICE agents, huh?Are all Democrats terrorists?
>>1441147are you a faggot (rhetorical question)
>>1441149I post on 4chan so yes, but I'm not a homosexual faggot that sucks cocks, takes cocks in the ass and sucks cocks.Send me an email and I'll show you my clean HIV test to proven I'm most likely not black, gay or Russian.
>>1441139i love face diapers now!!!
esl shill is black gay and russian, apparently
>>1441156You know, I think I'm the one who originally called you esl like 2 years ago.I'm glad you've gotten such frequent use bothering people and being a completely retarded shitlord with the term.
>>1441157you're this upset about it? i'm glad esl shill
>>1441158Not upset. I'm just pointing out that you're just annoying and your posts are entirely unproductive.So, when will you be shooting up a school?
esl shill is so upset he has delusions
>>1441139Can't wait until the next Ruby Ridge
>>1441147Yes. All of them laughing about Charlie Kirk should've made this obvious by now.
>>1441139So, what happens now? Can Californians call their police to protect them from mask wearing ICE? Will Californian police be arresting ICE if they see them masked up? How are local state laws implimented on the ground if federal practices conflict with them?
>>1441167they're probably going to be retroactively dealt with after the fascist in charge is gone
>>1441167https://statedemocracy.law.wisc.edu/featured/2025/explainer-can-states-prosecute-federal-officialstl;dr it's complicated
>>1441167Federal supremacy. State law has no effect unless feds specifically assimilate it.
>>1441147Do you know what makes the Secret Police a Secret? They're not invisible. In fact, they're very visible. The secret is WHO IS IN IT. They mask their identities and use that anonymity to enforce the Dear Leader's wishes in quasi-legal ways, with powers that are both sweeping and poorly-defined. ICE certainly fits the bill.
>>1441174Federal courts can decide certain things are outside the scope of supremacy clause immunity. That's why it's more complicated than that.
>>1441139>"We'll keep wearing masks!">Local law enforcement now ordered to arrest any suspicious figures in masks and unmarked vans as potential terrorists
>>1441186The new california law doesnt actually say they cant wear masks. You should read it. Newsom just did a big PR stunt for the presidential campaign he is running. Thats it. >>1441180There is no secret as to who is in ICE. FOIA requests are a thing.
>>1441139Weird how this new "no secret police" law doesn't apply to California's Highway Patrol.>Rules for thee but not for me
>Party of limited government>Party of states rights
>>1441194Yes. There is no contradiction.
>>1441139OP, which boot tastes the best?Statist coward.
>>1441187>FOIA requests are a thing.Yeah let's see how long that keeps up.
>>1441200>b... but the Senate may get enough votes to beat the filibuster and repeal the Freedom of Information Act!!!!!1111Thats not an argument. This whole thing about "masked" agents is fucking stupid. Newsom wants to be president and is creating "issues" to fight Trump over. Cops are allowed to wear masks because you dont need to see their faces, and you as a random bystander have no right to their information unless they give you a lawful command. As long as they are in unfirm and identify themselves to whomever they detain its fine. This is idiocity tier shit.
>>1441141Article VI clause 2
>>1441202*uniform **Idiocracy as in the movie
>>1441180>Do you know what makes the Secret Police a Secret? They're not invisible. In fact, they're very visible. The secret is WHO IS IN IT.So the FBI are secret police then? Or can you point me to a registry of FBI agents?
>>1441187>The new california law doesnt actually say they cant wear masks. You should read itExcerpts from that ca websiteLaw and immigrant enforcement officers must be identifiable by name or badge number, and exceptions to that must be clearly established — masks are not to be worn except when absolutely necessary. Impersonating a federal agent is a crime.So .. it says masks but be worn, but then backtracks and says you can where then when needed. And somehow they had to define again that impersonating a federal agent is illegal, as if it weren't illegal already but they just enjoy redundancy I guess
>>1441209Its so fucking dumb.
>>1441212Not really. When masked and unidentifiable ICE officers show up, the cops are going to get called. Cops are going to get ICE officers to identify themselves by name or badge numberThen those ICE officers are going to get charged when they arrest legal citizens with ID, or leave someone in a cell with a broken arm for days, because they're not anonymous and can be linked to their crimes. ICE can't hide behind, "well, we don't know which officer is doing it, sorry"
>>1441220Yeah, whatever.Here's what's really going to happen given that the DHS has taken an official stance on the matter instead of leaving it up to individual agents to decide on their own. 9/10 times or even 95/100 times nothing at all will happen, ice will do their job and no local leo will interfere. As soon they do try to charge someone, it's going to hit a local court, then be raised to a federal court to dispute the merits of it, and they are going to have to decide if state legislation can control the operational policies, uniform and dress of federal employees, and I don't think it will be in Californias favor.
>>1441222>>1441225NTA but the Supremacy Clause blew Newsome out of the water long ago. All this shit about demasking ICE agents is cope because, assuming he tried to enforce it, he would be in open rebellion against the federal government.The worst thing California can do is not help federal agents (which is what happened during BLM) but Trump still sent in federal agents to black-bag leaders of the mobs.
>>1441220It serves literally no purpose as in all the scenarios you named you can identify the officers.
Hang on, I thought masks made it impossible to breathe and were a terrible imposition from an overreaching government. Why are they okay now?
>>1441236>It serves literally no purpose as in all the scenarios you named you can identify the officers.sure janthats why all these crimes are being committed by unidentified ICE officersSorry, no anonymous facist goons for you
>>1441239>thats why all these crimes are being committed by unidentified ICE officersLink?
>>1441237Hypocrisy.Stop the count!Keep counting the votes!
>Officers demanded that the unidentified persons show official identification and unmask to confirm that their documents were consistent with their claims. The belligerent party became hostile while attempting to move a person into an unmarked vehicle. Officers drew their service weapons and proceeded to stop what they believed to be a potential kidnapping, as officers could not confirm that the other party was a sworn officer of the law.If ICE escalates further after that, no jury is going to convict CA officers on their response.
>>1441180They wouldn't have to wear masks if the violent Democrats followed the law to begin with. Get fucked
>>1441265Stop terrorizing communities and people might not be mad at you.
>>1441266>Terrorizing communities >By arresting criminals This is why Democrats are sociopaths
>>1441266>terrorizing communities By enforcing the law?
>>1441269>>1441271Well, by doing shit like holding children hostage and blowing up people's doors to retaliate for bumping into their car.>https://americasvoice.org/press_releases/this-cruel-act-says-it-all-ice-holds-5-year-old-daughter-hostage-to-arrest-father/>https://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/on-air/video-shows-federal-agents-blast-their-way-into-huntington-park-home/3734157/
>>1441277shills hate accountable law enforcement
>>1441283>>1441277>oh noes they are enforcing the hekkin law! this is TERRORISM
>>1441295Law enforcement isn't allowed to do either of these things. An unaccountable arm of it is effectively state sponsored terrorism.
>>1441295>who cares if cops kill a baby? >maybe it was a terrorist baby>no, you're not allowed to know which officer killed the baby>they'll get to retire early due to PTSD and collect a check for the rest of their lives thoughWhy are chuds like this?
>>1441298>Law enforcement isn't allowed to do either of these thingsLaw enforcement is allowed to make forced entry into a home. As for your "hostage" argument>“A Guatemalan family from Leominster, Massachusetts, says>says
>>1441300Who said anything about killing babies? Dude. Argue the merits. When you do shit like this all you do is undermine your own position.
>>1441302lmao, the shill is demanding to 'argue the merits' after getting BFTO Maybe you should just keep to greentexting strawman positions, faggot
>>1441305>Not an argument. Many such cases.
>>1441302Maybe try reading the news sometime.
>>1441306Feel free to scroll up and engage with the actual stories of anonymous ICE faggots breaking the law anytime.
>>1441307I know what you're talking about. It was an incident where a SWAT team mistakenly threw a flash-bang into a babies crib while making an entry into a home. Yeah dude, we're all in favor of not hurting babies. However, that doesn't have anything to do with >Federal LEO's enforcing Federal Law is TERRORISM!
>>1441308I did. Neither of the cited instances is them "breaking the law". And in the instance of the little girl, none of the officers were wearing masks which renders it moot.
>>1441310I'm pretty sure illegally detaining a 5 year old girl and refusing to return her to her mother is a crime. Maybe its different in your country
>>1441313You wanting something to be illegal does not mean it is.
>>1441314You wanting something to be legal doesn't mean it is. The girl and her mother were American citizens, and after the mother showed ID she was entitled to her kid and ICE is entitled to fuck off. Just because ICE is doing shady shit they can't get warrants for doesn't mean they can overstep their bounds
>>1441313Dude its so easy to steelman the detention >homg you didnt let a random child enter the scene of an ongoing law enforcement operation? Monsters!
>>1441315Stopping a child (or anyone) entering a the scene of a law enforcement operation is not a crime. Get real.
>>1441315>hey! Do you know what would make this tense standoff better? Let's throw children in the mix!!!! Bruh
>>1441313It is called kidnapping.
>>1441319Call the police and make a report.
>>1441320Not him but what do you think the press has been reporting on for the last 9 months?
>>1441314>You wanting something to be illegal does not mean it is.Crimes against humanity maybe not written into law, but they are an a front to me. Newscum is the alpha + dog, tRump is the alpha- dog whose day is done
>>1441317>>1441318>its not safe for kids to be at this crime scene>so lets detain the kid and not let the mother take the kid away from the crime scene
>>1441301It's on video. They held that girl until the actual police showed up and forced them to release her to her family.
>>1441321And no one called the police?
>>1441337They did, and the police showed up and made ICE release her. Then ICE left, probably because they didn't have a warrant and couldn't get into the house legally.
>>1441332The mother is in the house. You're unironically complaining that cops didn't allow a child into a home containing a wanted fugitive with a deportation order due to prior convictions for *checks notes* domestic abuse and strangulation. >do you know what would make this situation better? Give the kid to the wife beating strangulation enjoyer! >>1441335The "actual" police did not "force" them to return the kid.
>>1441341The statement was that ICE committed a crime. Weird how they didnt get charged despite police being there. >they didn't go into the house Because deportation orders are administrative orders not criminal warrants.
>>1441342>>1441344Yeah, because the system protects its own. Trying to have a standoff using an administrative warrant is already beyond its scope, holding a US citizen hostage because your administrative warrant is too weak is something that should get them thrown in prison. It won't, but it should.
>>1441344>>1441342No matter how much you btfo him with facts he isn't going to stop being a retard
>>1441347If they were there to get him for domestic violence, they would have an actual warrant that allows them to go arrest him.
>>1441346>preventing a civilian entering the scene of an enforcement action >holding that civilian hostage Bruh. And FYI, ICE ended up with the little girl because her father (wife beater btw) fled a traffic stop, jumped out his car and ran inside his home. Leaving his daughter in the car.
>>1441348He has priors for that. That's why he has a deportation order. 70% of the people deported thus far have felony convictions.
>>1441349Weird how its unhelpful to your shill narrative that the childs mother was there and was refused access to the child.
>>1441351The child's mother who was in the house? With the person they were trying to detain? That mother?
>>1441352It must be really hard to be a shill. The legal American citizen mother? The one who could tell ICE to fuck off, release her American daughter and go get a warrant if they wanted to get inside the house? Retard shill logic doesn't make sense because we all know your actual goal, deport nonwhites, but you can't do that because its illegal and gets a supermajority of Americans to hate you. So you do this weird backwards logic to try to claim that all these American rights don't matter in this instance, like pretending a man accused of passing off a counterfeit $20 bill should be murdered on the street on tape.
>>1441350>70% of the people deported thus far have felony convictionsThank you, MR PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump!
>>1441350100% have been criminals.
>>1441353>like pretending a man accused of passing off a counterfeit $20 bill should be murdered on the street on tape.George Floyd deserved to die because he robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. Also, harboring illegals is a crime. Cry moar faggot.
>>1441320I would pursue and engage, personally. Cops are more like janitors, cleaning up messes, preventing crime in progress not so much. Better to look out for your own rather than wait for police to even know what is going on. I think cops would tell you the same. Police taking someone into custody as per state orders and following protocol for the situations where a child is left in their custody is a civil matter and not kidnapping. Cops end up with children due to an active incident. Unless it was a conspiracy between officers to kidnap children but I highly doubt that, however I'm sure there have been cades when cops have left the child with a person they shouldn't have. I don't think cops are monsters but mistakes happen. Crime is dynamic and evolves where cops are stuck obeying policy, law, and their own intuition when applicable. I'm going for tldr, because I would rather have discussion rather than trolls. Thanks for your time and I'm still adding words. I'm not a shill, nor do I think what happened is kidnapping, in this instance. I wish 4chan would say how long your post is before you hit the 2000 mark, it would help me right now. I hope you all are having a great day, or happy Rapture or w/e. I am fine just taking it easy. Regardless of how many characters this is now, I think I passed the point of safety. Thanks for your time.
The amount of chuds ITT who support mask-wearing, jack-booted government thugs is insane.
>>1441359Not reading an opinion that looks like AI slop. One sentence in and it's obvious you're full of shit. You can join all the other retards who try to be cops and end up dead or in prison for life. The state created these criminals and the state can deal with them
>>1441383>an opinion that looks like AI slopThe entire article is based on an anonymous tweet from the DHS account. It remains to be seen if the ICE agents on the ground will still wear masks or not.
>>1441360oh don't worry anon, they're not americans. they are convincing your boomer relatives though unfortunately
>>1441388Oh good, conspiracy anon is back
>>1441396so you don't think shills exist?
>>1441397Are your boomer relatives browsing a dead board on 4chan, anon?
>>1441398no but you also notoriously shill on facebook, shill
>>1441399>alsoBro just take your meds
>>1441400yes, also. also, why do you shill here, shill? do you just enjoy being called a faggot? or just following orders
esl shill is apparently at a loss for words
>>1441353You're asking why ICE didnt allow a child to enter the home of a known fugitive while they were trying to apprehend the fugitive?
>>1441360Oh no, law enforcement enforcing the law. The horror.
>>1441407When you get Koreshed for "antisemitism" by the same jackbooted thugs I'm going to laugh
>>1441411>KoreshedThat was ATF not ICE.
>>1441413ICE doesn't have the manpower so they draw from other agencies like the ATF/IRS/DEA/etc.
>>1441421Instead of accepting that you fucked up your analogy you're just making shit up to continue it?
>>1441427Do you think I'm lying? Do you think I'm some kind of leftist?
>>1441427https://www.govexec.com/management/2025/09/report-federal-agencies-have-deployed-nearly-33000-employees-assist-ice/407907/>DEA has assigned nearly 40% of its total employees to ICE, according to Cato’s data, while the ATF has sent nearly 30% and USMS around 20%
>>1441430You understand that ICE does immigration enforcement and ATF does firearms, right? ICE has nothing to do with citizens. Hence, your Koresh analogy is fucking retarded.
>>1441433>ICE has nothing to do with citizensConsidering how many actual citizens have found themselves harassed by ICE (aided by Trump's supreme court finding they're literally allowed to racially profile) fucking DOUBT.
>>1441433Oh so now govexec.com is lying as well? lmaa this is why they call you people a cult.
>>1441435Thats cute. Problem is that if you're a citizen ICE cant do anything to you. OMG dude take the L
>>1441437Do you not understand what ICE does?
>>1441439>Problem is that if you're a citizen ICE cant do anything to you.You know, except:>Imprison you for a few days>Blow the door off your house>Smash up your home looking for someone who isn't there>Steal your fucking life savings and electronic devices (https://newrepublic.com/post/194557/ice-invades-wrong-home-oklahoma-girls-underwear-life-savings)
>>1441443>>Imprison you for a few daysNot if you identify yourself as a citizen >>Blow the door off your house>Smash up your home looking for someone who isn't thereYep if they have a warrant >>Steal your fucking life savings and electronic devicesConfiscate subject to a warrant.
>>1441441Do you not understand ICE doesn't have the manpower on its own to do what Stephen Miller told them to?
>>1441443>U.S. marshals, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and FBI agentsSo this was a wanted federal fugitive they were pursuing, given that the marshals and FBI were also involved. That's quite a bit more than a simple immigration raid, but you people love to misrepresent the truth. I'm pretty used to it by now
>>1441448I'm not disputing that they pull agents. However, what your peabrain is failing to understand is that agents working for ICE cant do anything to non-citizens because they have no lawful mandate. Thats why we have specific agencies for drugs, guns etc.
>>1441447>nah guys it's fine they just need a warrant>a warrant they can now get for reasons like "looks kinda illegal"
>>1441449Yeah no. It was ICE. US Marshalls confirmed none of their guys were there.>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-family-traumatized-ice-raid-rcna203700I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say the family got them mixed up instead of them lying about credentials. This doesn't change the fact they still confiscated all their belongings over people who hadn't lived in the house in months.
>>1441451No. They can only enter a home with a criminal warrant which requires probable cause and is issued by a judge. They can detain you for deportation with a removal order, which is again, issued by a judge - but they cant enter your home. They can racially profile to stop you on the street an ask if you're a citizen because the standard in that scenario is reasonable suspicion.I dont understand why you care so much about this you will argue with me for hours, but you dont care enough to do some basic research on the topic.
>>1441453>This doesn't change the fact they still confiscated all their belongings over people who hadn't lived in the house in months.Yes. Because they had a warrant. Once you figure out that you got the wrong people you give their stuff back. Things take time.
>>1441455>Guys it's fine>They got permission to confiscate all this family's electronics and money and keep them for weeks>It's not their fault no one could be fucked to make sure the person they were looking for actually lived thereOn a technical level, the warrant wasn't valid, because the person it was directed towards didn't own that house anymore.
>>1441455>the police can come into your house and steal all your stuff>why are you complaining? you'll probably get it all back in a few monthswhat a faggot
>>1441454Uh, yes they can. If they can use it as reasonable suspicion to stop and detain you in the road, they can use it as reasonable suspicion to search your house.
>>1441457With civil asset forfeiture, you're not getting it back unless you sue them using a lawyer that costs more than whatever you'll recover.
End qualified immunity!
>>1441168>they're probably going to be retroactively dealt with after the fascist in charge is goneThey should watch old newsreel footage of what happened to collaborators in France not long after D-Day.This means you too, MAGAtards. This legislation being enacted against those not exactly like you. What's to stop the next Democrat administration - presumably Newsom - from using the same against you? Why let those laws Trump made go to waste?Can't take a little 'Fashing Up', you don't have the right to dish it out. Pushback. And what French people did to those who collaborated with those who didn't have the right to be there. Each & every French town & city welcomed those American liberators who drove out those who didn't have the right to be there. Certain so-called 'French' shit themselves at the sight of those Sherman tanks & Jeeps with GIs on them.
>>1441478This rhetoric and retardation is what causes people to become delusional when they're in power. Trump hasn't done any dictator shit besides throwing a wrecking ball approach at illegal immigration and you're already talking about killing and imprisoning everyone on the right. I wish Trump was just 10% as much of a fascist as you retards make him out to be.
The collaborator that is >>1441479 is already shitting itself or wouldn't have said what it just did.Just as those who collaborated with fascists shit themselves seeing those Sheman tanks & jeeps approaching 80 or so years ago. Pushback.
>>1441479>Trump hasn't done any dictator shitthe sheer denial
>>1441479Well, what's stopping you from not being a rightard and condemning what Trump's doing?
Banality of evil holds no weigh in this court. All the guilty will be rounded up and exterminated. Better fight tough because cowards get it worse. Chump up motherfucker, you about to be a bitch.
>>1441487bet you'll be crying like a bitch when all the illegals are back in the country and paid millions in reparations with Elon's money
>>1441485>Well, what's stopping you from not being a rightard and condemning what Trump's doing?You're asking him (Republicans generally) to condemn law enforcement enforcing the law?
>>1441489>You're asking him (Republicans generally) to condemn law enforcement enforcing the law?NTA, but they still whine all the time about Babbit getting shot.
>>1441490>but they still whine all the time about Babbit getting shot.I dont understand why you think a whataboutism from outta nowhere would be an appropriate response.
>>1441492Its okay, I understand why you need to be purposefully ignorant of a direct example of when Republicans condemned law enforcement enforcing the law.
>>1441495>talking about ICE deportations>BUT WHATABOUT You're an idiot.
>>1441489>>1441479 has no excuses when ICE larpers are dealt with so he should be praying it's purely actual law enforcers who deal with such>>1441479 should remember what >>1441168 says. Where will the power of all those Cartman-esque 'ICE' be after that which gave them their 'authoritah' that had to be 'respected'after their Fuhrer... I mean president is gone?The protection provided by fascists immediately ceased to exist for those collaborators once those GIs were seen in the distance. Very powerful were those binoculars with lenses by Carl Zeiss used by those collaborators' protectors. Gave them time enough to GTFO there, and fuck those who collaborated with them, leave them to their own resources and the tender mercies of those celebrating their protectors suddenly ceasing to exist there: and thus their authority. 20th January 2029. Or sooner, with the midterms.Think about the future, certain 'people': yours.
>>1441496>you gotta give an example of Republicans condemning law enforcement enforcing the law>no no, not like that, it has to be an ICE deportation specifically
>>1441508>>you gotta give an example of Republicans condemning law enforcement enforcing the lawWho are you quoting?
>>1441509You watching Kimmel, bro?
>>1441518No. Barely anyone does.
>>1441527You must not have heard, after the FCC backed off on their threat ABC immediately reinstated him. Retards are still coping and pretending he wasn't incredibly profitable
>>1441202They don't need to repeal the act, just ignore it. That's how Trump's been rolling all year. So, so many of his executive orders are either outside of his purview or outright illegal, and they just go through with them without real pushback.
>>1441583From what I hear he still won't be aired by may affiliate stations.BIG WIN!
>>1441583>Retards are still coping and pretending he wasn't incredibly profitableHe gets 1.1 million views. As I said, barely anyone watches him.
ICE "agents" are all coward cucks larping as specops KEKW
>>1441625Daily reminder that Antifags at CHAZ/CHOP were larping as NKVD Border Security and executed two black teenagers.
>>1441139If he took those masks off, would they die?
>>1441627It would be extremely painful... for you
>>1441624You misspelled 7 million, cuck
>>1441203Which federal law requires agents to wear masks?
>>1441488Probably not. But if that's how you cope you can think I'll be crying. I'll laugh knowing they have more money individually in a year than you'll have in your lifetime. B-b-but Elon, where is my money? I said you were cool once, just ignore the fact I called you a traitor and made threats against your children... cope, magat. You are done. You're just an annoying joke, the hilarity is gone because it has been told so many times already.
>>1441631Lol. This is cope in online form, folks.
>>1441651Someone get this hothead outta here!
>>1441651Its a reference from movie you fucking autist.
I hope Cali splits away from the us with those earthquakes soon
>>1441651You just blow in from stupid town?
>>1441139The party of "muh state's rights" everyone
