and this temper tantrum of yours is oh exploitable

>>1443952
Think you're going to be here a while buddy

>>1443952
>an additional $700bn in spending by restoring cuts to healthcare
Hey, dumbfuck, if you don't cut an expense, that's not an additional expense.

>>1443952
Didn't you guys just spend $3 trillion? Or was it 4? Either way, you can't say with a straight face that cutting the budget is your plan anymore.

>>1443952
paste the article nimrod

>>1443952
Covid time machine?

>>1443963
How about no tax breaks on the wealthy? Not spending more on ICE than a functional military? Maybe dump these fucking tariffs so people won’t rely on government handouts to survive? Stop coddling the fucking rich, they don’t care about you.

>>1443952
You can't make a thread every day here. You can only make a thread every day for five days.

>>1443952
Trump has added trillions to the debt. Literally trillions. You don't get to complain about Democrats spending too much money.

>>1443963
>if you don't cut an expense, that's not an additional expense.
Uh huh. So I guess the day before you pay off your mortgage, if the bank just tells you that you have to pay for it for another 50 years the its not really an additional expense for you then and it's totally cool, huh?

>>1443963
This is such a disingenuous argument. When the latest budget was being decided and there was all that discussion about the total cost or savings of the new budget plan over the next 10 years, all the numbers of everything in the budget was calculated and projected for that 10-year period.

Making an expense which was planned to expire in 6 months. At that point, become a permanent expense is absolutely an increase in budget you idiot.

This isn't your weekly fentanyl allowance or whatever the hell you think budgeting is. Certain payments expire at points in time. Certain expenses keep running for a lot longer, all of this is considered when these budgetary numbers are being calculated.

It's not some sort of free expense that comes out of nowhere by making this 700 billion cost permanent, and it's absolutely not for free you idiot

>>1444000
Health insurance for millions of Americans isn't like a mortgage you pay off.

>>1443968
The government shut down on Wednesday morning at 12:01 a.m., amid a bitter spending deadlock between President Trump and Democrats in Congress that will disrupt federal services and leave many federal workers furloughed.

It was the first federal shutdown since 2019, when parts of the government were shuttered for 35 days in a standoff between congressional Democrats and Mr. Trump over the president’s demand to fund a wall at the southern border.

This time, the dispute is over Democrats’ demand that the president agree to extend expiring health care subsidies and restore Medicaid cuts enacted over the summer as part of Mr. Trump’s marquee tax cut and domestic policy law.

The shutdown became all but inevitable on Tuesday night after Senate Democrats voted just hours before a midnight deadline to block Republicans’ plan to keep federal funding flowing.

In back-to-back Senate votes that reflected how acrimonious the funding dispute has become, each party blocked the other’s stopgap spending proposal, just as they had earlier in the month.

On a 55-to-45 vote, the G.O.P. plan, which would extend funding through Nov. 21, fell short of the 60 needed for passage. Republicans also blocked Democrats’ plan, which would extend funding through the end of October and add more than $1 trillion in health care spending, in a 47-to-53 vote.

Shortly afterward, Russell T. Vought, the White House budget director, directed agencies in a memo to “execute their plans for an orderly shutdown.”

Senate Republican leaders held the votes as a part of what they promised would be a daily effort to force Democrats to go on the record against extending government funding.

“The Democrats’ far-left base and far-left senators have demanded a showdown with the president,” said Senator John Thune, Republican of South Dakota and the majority leader. “And the Democrat leaders have bowed to their demands. And apparently, the American people just have to suffer the consequences.”
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Democrats said they were resolute in their determination to continue the standoff until Republicans relented to their demands, which include the extension of Obamacare subsidies that are set to expire at the end of the year, as well as the reversal of cuts to Medicaid and other health programs that Republicans included in the tax cut legislation.

“If the president were smart, he’d move heaven and earth to fix this health care crisis right away, because Americans are going to hold him responsible when they start paying $400, $500, $600 a month more on their health insurance,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the minority leader. “We have less than a day. If there was ever a moment for Donald Trump and Republicans to get serious about health care, it is now.”

But instead of any negotiation, lawmakers in both parties spent the hours before the spending deadline pointing fingers at one another for the coming crisis, and Mr. Trump issued threats from the White House, appearing to relish the prospect of a shutdown that he said he would use to hurt his political opponents.

The president said he would move during a shutdown to enact measures that are “bad” for Democrats “and irreversible by them, like cutting vast numbers of people out, cutting things that they like, cutting programs that they like.” Later in the Oval Office, he said that “a lot of good can come down from shutdowns,” including laying off federal workers who are Democrats and undermining initiatives they support.

In a shutdown, Mr. Trump said, “we can get rid of a lot of things that we didn’t want, and they’d be Democrat things.”

Democrats appeared unbowed by the threats. In March, a clutch of Senate Democrats led by Mr. Schumer allowed a stopgap spending bill to advance, prompting an outpouring of ire from liberal voters and activists who had urged their leaders to deny their votes in protest of Mr. Trump’s administration.

This time, Democrats have picked a fight with Mr. Trump on money for health care — an issue on which polls show Democrats have the upper hand — and dared the president and Republicans to say no.

“The strategy is — the American people are demanding it,” Mr. Schumer said.

Still, a few members of the Democratic caucus broke from the party on Tuesday evening in the hours before the spending deadline and voted for Republicans’ spending plan. Senators Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, John Fetterman of Pennsylvania and Angus King, independent of Maine, all supported the measure.

Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky was the sole Republican to vote against his own party’s funding bill.

If the Obamacare tax credits are allowed to lapse, about four million people are projected to lose coverage starting next year, and prices will go up for an additional 20 million people. The Congressional Budget Office has projected that 10 million more Americans would become uninsured by 2034 as a result of the health cuts in the new tax law.

Mr. Thune has said he would be willing to negotiate separately on extending the tax credits. Many of his senators who are up for re-election next year have endorsed the move. But Democrats are taking government funding “hostage,” Mr. Thune said.

“The negotiation happens when the government is open,” he said.

Separately, Democrats have said they cannot continue to fund an administration that routinely tramples Congress’s power of the purse.

“That’s just another excuse,” Senator Ben Ray Luján, Democrat of New Mexico, said of Mr. Trump’s threat to lay off federal workers during a shutdown. “They’re doing this time and time again. They’re going to do what they want to do.”

The chasm between the two parties was on stark display on Monday night after Mr. Trump met with congressional leaders at the White House. Mr. Trump posted a crude, A.I.-generated video insulting and mocking Democratic leaders that superimposed a cartoon mustache and sombrero over Representative Hakeem Jeffries of New York, the Democratic leader, who was pictured standing silently while Mariachi music played. The voice of Mr. Schumer was distorted to deliver expletive-laden remarks that included the line “Nobody likes Democrats anymore.”

Mr. Jeffries responded on Monday night by posting a photograph of Mr. Trump smiling alongside Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier who died in prison in 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

“This is real,” the post said.

In a separate post, Mr. Jeffries wrote, “Bigotry will get you nowhere.”

Mr. Trump and other Republicans continued to hammer at the misleading accusation that Democrats were shutting down the government in order to give health care to unauthorized immigrants.

Mr. Trump’s fake video falsely quoted Mr. Schumer as saying that Democrats “have no voters left” because of the party’s positions on social policies and that he wanted to give “illegal aliens” free health care. The fabricated voice added that shutting down the government was a way to get undocumented immigrants to vote for Democrats, a claim that embraces a debunked conspiracy theory about noncitizens voting.

>>1444005
Way to miss the forest for the trees, retard.

The fact remains that the *current budget* has this emergency COVID healthcare funding ending at the end of year. Democrats shutdown the government trying to change the current budget to make them permanent.

Day 1 government shutdown: Chuck Schumer shit's pants.
Day 2 government shutdown;Jeffrey's shitzpants
Day 3 government shutdown; Trump shits pants (like he has every day for the last 5 years)
Day 4 government shutdown: AOC brings out the diapers

Seems relevant.
The hill is reporting (their words, not mine) that Democrats have yet again today voted to block a bill attempting to re-open the government
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5531239-senate-funding-bill-shutdown-vote/
Senate Democrats voted Wednesday to block a House-passed stopgap funding bill that would reopen the federal government until Nov. 21, but several Democrats broke with Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and supported the measure.

Wednesday’s vote marked the third time in two weeks that the House-passed continuing resolution failed to advance on the Senate floor — but it was the first time senators voted on the issue while the government is closed. The measure needed 60 votes to advance and failed 55-45, the same margin as Tuesday’s vote.

Three members of the Democratic caucus voted to advance the GOP resolution: Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.), a member of the Democratic leadership team; Sen. John Fetterman (Pa.); and Sen. Angus King (Maine), an independent who caucuses with Democrats.

>>1444028
Fucking traitors.

>>1444055
Larping as an American there, esl shill?

>>1443952
based demochads

>>1444055
I wouldn't call them traitors but it's very performative and petty of them

>>1443952
Republican senators spending the day observing Yom Kippur. Literally ZOG.

Democrats passed CRs 13 different times when they had the majority and Biden was president. They have lost all rationale when it comes to their hatred for President Trump. I hope Democrats will come to their senses and reopen the government.

>>1444071
So wait, they were able to compromise with Republicans during Biden's presidency, but Republicans aren't willing to compromise with them now?

>>1444071
I hope you get better at pretending to be American

>>1443952
JD Vance tells Americans to be ready for pain. Is that rhetoric? Is it more TEMPORARY pain?
Day 1 and the world is actually a teeny bit better.

>>1444076
They passed a clean CR without a shutdown like 5 months ago. This is another clean CR. There is nothing for Republicans to "negotiate" because its a CLEAN CR. It has no cuts or increased spending.

>>1444076
Pretty sure you actually mean that Republicans compromised and worked with them just fine when Biden was president, but now Democrats tiny brains are being overwhelmed by the irrational urge to hate trump

>>1444102
pretty sure nobody cares about your shill opinion and you should get a real job

>>1444102
Republicans literally can compromise when they have no cards, but can't when they have all of them? You're telling me Mr "Art of the Deal" can't make a deal?

>>1444105
>Republicans literally can compromise when they have no cards, but can't when they have all of them
This is, quite literally, the art of the deal you fucking idiot.

>>1444107
>Refuse to compromise
>Government shuts down because they won't compromise
Ok now what?

>>1444107
>art of the deal shut down the government
>guys with all the cards can't do anything
so republicans a're incompetent and stupid?

>>1444114
>Compromise
There is nothing to compromise on. ITS A CLEAN CR.

>>1444117
Dems shutdown the Government, so what R's can do its just wait.

>>1444119
>we don't need or want any democratic input on this bill
>PLEASE VOTE FOR IT DON'T SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT WE HATE YOU BUT VOTE FOR US ANYWAY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
shut up, snowflake

>>1444119
>There is nothing to compromise on
Other than, you know, actually renewing the tax credit so the government can begin working again. Republicans literally just have to give dems that one thing, but they can't even be fucked to do that even though it would help their constituents too.

>>1444122
>>we don't need or want any democratic input on this bill
Yes, because there is no Republican input on the bill. Its a clean CR.

Do you know what a clean CR is?

>>1444123
So even though its a clean CR R's should give D's stuff without getting anything in return?

>>1444124
You know, other than refusing to renew obamacare tax credits, which will cause literal doubling or tripling of health insurance costs for millions of americans.

>>1444126
Again, its a clean CR. Republicans are asking for nothing and cutting nothing. There is nothing to negotiate.

>>1444129
Other than the obamacare tax credits they refuse to renew.

>>1444124
>Do you know what a clean CR is?
Sounds like deep state shit if it doesn't originate from any member of congress
No republican input, no democratic input, so it just appeared out of thin air~

>>1444130
>Other than the obamacare tax credits they refuse to renew
In 2023 were voted to expire in 2026.
The Democrats have voted to allow these to expire as planned at literally every point between then and now

>>1444131
>Sounds like deep state shit if it doesn't originate from any member of congress
It comes from congress. Basic civics dude.

>>1444130
So Republicans have to compromise with Democrats to fund their signature project, and in so doing, undo the work they did in BBB and in return they get nothing?

Not happening. Have fun with the shutdown.

>>1444134
>Basic civics dude.
Its hard to tell, since you're obviously not familiar with them despite pretending to be.
Republicunts are entitled faggots who want Dems to vote on a budget they had no input on
Why can't Republkicunts lead?

>>1444130
>Other than the obamacare tax credits they refuse to renew.
Those were voted on and passed by Dem's in 2021 and were supposed to be a short term response to COVID-19, hence they made them expire in 2026.

>>1444139
Its the presidents fault if its a shutdown. Its all on him. They should be able to bring people together
PS: go fuck yourself

>>1444138
>doesnt know that a CR originates in the House
>no u dumb
'kay.
>what is a CR
Its a "Continuing Resolution" to fund the government until the next Budget Reconciliation is done
>what is a CLEAN CR?
Its a continuing resolution that includes not cuts and no new spending.
>Dems to vote on a budget they had no input on
They voted on clean CR's in January and March of this year.
>but they had no input
Wasnt a problem in Jan and March, and Republicans havent gotten any input either. Its a deal to fund the government over the short term while the next big spending bill is negotiated.

This is all theater for retards like (you)

>>1444140
>its the Presidents fault that Democrats wont pass a CR that they have already passed twice this year

>>1444142
Yes. A smart man told me this
Also, go fuck yourself

>>1444143
Yeah, okay. Have fun with the shutdown.

>>1444141
>>1444142
we heard you already shill. instead of spamming, go study our language for once

>>1444144
The Republican Presidents shutdown, yeah
also, go fuck yourself

>>1444146
>The Republican Presidents shutdown, yeah
His party (and 4 democrats) voted to keep the government funded.

>>1444145
>no argument
Yeah, that's what I thought.

>>1444147
>His party (and 4 democrats) voted to keep the government funded.
So they failed to keep the government open?
Maybe they need to do something to earn Democratic votes instead of being whiny takers

>>1444148
get a real job faggot, nobody wants to debate lying faggots such as yourself

>>1444149
Democrats voted to close the government.

>>1444151
you're a spamming faggot who will be spending the next 8 hours in this thread repeating the same lies. what kind of life is that

>>1444150
>>1444153
>no argument
>mad
Many such cases.

>>1444155
>>mad
big if true, source?

>>1444158
>you cant prove that im stupid