SCHUMER ALLEGES SHUTDOWN 'BLACKMAIL'

Hakeem Jeffries, the top Democrat in the House of Representatives, said the funding freeze for subway and harbor projects in his home of New York would throw thousands out of work.

Top Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer, also from New York, said Trump was targeting regular Americans for partisan aims.

"He is using the American people as pawns, threatening pain on the country as blackmail," Schumer said.

Republican Senator Thom Tillis said he was concerned that the freezing of infrastructure funds for New York could make it harder for Congress to exit the shutdown.

"They need to be really careful with that, because they can create a toxic environment here," Tillis said. "So hopefully they're working with the leader, and the leader with them, on not creating more work to get us out of this posture."

Republican Senate Leader John Thune dismissed concerns that the spending freeze amounted to hostage-taking.

"Well, vote to open up the government and that issue goes away, right? I mean, it's pretty straightforward," he said at a press conference.

Jeffries said he had not had any contact with the White House since a meeting with Trump earlier in the week.

"We haven't heard from the White House since the White House meeting on Monday," he said in an CNN interview. "Clearly, they wanted to shut the government down."

DIFFERENT DAY, DIFFERENT VOTE, SAME RESULTS

Meanwhile, the Senate again rejected efforts to keep the government functioning as both a Republican proposal that would fund the government through November 21 and a Democratic vote that would pair funding with additional health benefits failed in floor votes.

Trump's Republicans hold a 53-47 Senate majority, but they need the support of at least seven of Schumer's Democrats to meet the chamber's 60-vote threshold for spending bills.

At issue on the government funding front is $1.7 trillion for agency operations, which amounts to roughly one-quarter of annual spending. Much of the remainder goes to health and retirement programs and interest payments on the growing $37.5 trillion debt.

A bipartisan group of senators huddled on the floor during the vote, trying to find a path forward.

"I want to see that a deal is a deal, and I would like to see the Republicans make a commitment to work with us on health care," said Senator Tim Kaine, a Virginia Democrat who represents many federal workers near the nation's capital. "But I've never said that has to be all I's dotted and T's crossed because that could be complicated."

Democrats are also seeking guarantees that Trump will not be able to ignore spending bills he signs into law, as he has repeatedly done since returning to office.

Both sides sought to pin the blame on the other, looking for advantage ahead of the 2026 midterm elections that will determine control of Congress.

Democrats said Republicans were responsible for the disruption, as they control the levers of power in Washington.

Republicans said Democrats were surrendering to partisan pressures to oppose Trump, even though they have routinely backed spending bills in the past. They also repeated a false claim that the Democratic proposal would extend health coverage to people who are in the country illegally.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the Democratic plan would only restore coverage to certain categories of immigrants who are in the country legally, such as asylum seekers and people on work visas.

Several government agencies posted notices on their websites blaming the "radical left" for the shutdown - a possible violation of a law known as the Hatch Act meant to insulate nuts-and-bolts government services from partisan politics.

The longest U.S. government shutdown, which stretched over 35 days in 2018-2019 during Trump's first term, ended in part after flight delays caused by air traffic controllers calling in sick.
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>>1443978
Maybe they’ll think twice for being Gay…?

>>1443978
Hey remember when even fucking Biden didn't pull this shit on red states?

Yeah, Trump isn't making it past 2026 without getting impeached. Even Republicans are starting to realize he's giving Dems way too much ability to swing the pendulum back next election. That's not even getting into the utter disaster for red states should the blue states he's fucking over decide "hm, I think I'm not gonna put in more to the fed than I get out of it anymore".

>>1443978
>Republicans shut down government
>Trump punishes Democrats for it
Yeah, that sounds about right.

>>1443978
>S. President Donald Trump's administration on Wednesday froze $26 billion for Democratic-leaning states
Maybe they shouldn't fucking shut down the government

>>1443988
>Remember, vote for dear leader's policies or your entire state suffers
Thanks for admitting we're in a dictatorship.

>>1443992
>we're in a dictatorship.
The President exercising his lawful authority is a dictatorship?

>>1443993
Only if you're an anarchist, evidently.

>>1443992
Relax, comrade.
There was only a single budget proposed in the Senate that had majority of senators agreeing to it, with even several Democrats on board, as soon as the remaining Democrats decide to stop filibustering the entire fucking US government I'm sure they'll get their funding back, It is only frozen after all

>>1443993
His lawful authority to punish states for voting against him?

>>1443997
Yes.

>>1443993
The President does not have the authority to overrule Congress by neglecting to execute the laws they have passed, including laws allocate funding for projects in one or more states.

>>1443999
Okay, sue him.

>>1443999
>The President does not have the authority to overrule Congress by neglecting to execute the laws they have passed
..you mean like the presidential veto?

>>1444001
No need. It's in the democrat spending bill.

>>1444002
A veto is a specific power to reject a law that is sent to the president for signature. That's not the same as failing to execute a law already passed by Congress and signed by the President or where a veto is overridden by Congress.

>>1444001
I shouldn't have to sue the President for him to follow the constitutional separation of powers. He's there to execute Congress' laws (or delegate the execution of those laws to his cabinet and/or other officials in the executive), to serve as commander in chief of the armed forces, and to conduct foreign policy. He's not the arbiter of what laws ought to be.

Schoolyard bully Trump steals wimps Schumer and Jeffrey's lunch money again. Respected teacher AOC Will give the bully a good dressing down in 2028

>>1444011
President has the authority to withhold funds. If you think he doesnt, sue.

Otherwise: cope, seethe and mald

>>1444011
>That's not the same as failing to execute a law already passed by Congress and signed by the President or where a veto is overridden by Congress.
This is happening in blue states as we speak, both in regards to immigration and combating antifa.

>>1444019
Yeah, not how it works.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_v._City_of_New_York
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974
>Trump literally trying to do this earlier this year and failed

I wouldn't play these games by the way. Blue states can weather some fuckery; if Dems decide to treat red states the same way most of them will become like third world countries in a month.

>>1443997
Yes. In fact, blue states shouldn't be getting anything. Take everything from them and give them nothing. This will be retribution for 170 years of injustice against Dixie.

>>1444031
>In fact, blue states shouldn't be getting anything
They give more than they get lol. If anything blue states are the only reason Dixie hasn't become a barren wasteland.

>>1443999
"Faithfully execute" has more wiggle room than one would expect.

>>1444031
I like how conservatives are still butthurt over Lincoln and Sherman even two centuries later.

>>1443983
> Hey remember when even fucking Biden didn't pull this shit on red states?
yeah I do remember.
fuck biden.
democrats are limp wristed do nothings.

>>1444034
Who are the conservatives?

>>1444035
You retards are like toddlers. You throw a hissy fit over every last fucking thing, but if the rest of the country left you for a day we'd come back to a corpse.

If Democrat senators are voting not to fund the government and are making it shut down, why should they not have their funding frozen until they start doing their fucking job and stop doing everything in their power to keep the government shut down

They again voted today to block a spending bill from Congress that would reopen the government

>>1444037
Nah

>>1444038
Their job is to represent their voters, not give in to Republican demands. Their voters don't want their healthcare to triple in price, and if Republicans don't want to negotiate, then the government shuts down to encourage them to do so.

>>1444040
>Their voters don't want their healthcare to triple in price,
Yet they supported ACA. Odd.
And additionally, if it's going to triple in price due to CONVID era additional subsidies, well, perhaps someone should look into fraud or money laundering by the healthcare industry to figure out why the cost of healthcare has tripled in the past 5 years.

>>1444036
Anyone to the right of Bernie.

>>1444041
>Yet they supported ACA. Odd.
Not really, since its not related

>>1444043
It's entirely related to the inflated price of healthcare.

>>1444044
Nah, its mostly republicunt enabled corporate greed
but I'm sure you have a bunch of ignorant lies and shill slop points that say otherwise

There is nothing outlandish about senators voting against a bill they disagree with.
There IS something outlandish about one side of congress outright refusing to negotiate with the other, because negotiation and compromise is how congress fucking works.
And it's fucking outrageous for the president to actively punish states for that. That's fucking insane, completely out of line, and demonstrates perfectly the authoritarian takeover we're experiencing. If you go against Trump, he will hurt you and the people you represent.

>>1444045
>Republican enabled
>Demodumps shut down the government to retain healthcare subsidies
Well, you're retarded. How do you deal with your cognitive dissonance?

>>1444047
Not when "negotiation and compromise" means giving illegals free healthcare using American taxdollars.

>>1444051
That's not a thing.

>>1444052
>But Democrats are holding out for a deal that would restore $1 trillion in Medicaid cuts passed into law this summer on top of a permanent extension of the Obamacare subsidies set to expire at the end of the year, saving health insurance for 3.8 million people at a cost of $350 billion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/congressional-leaders-continue-blame-game-clock-ticks-shutdown/story?id=126083610

>>1444053
...okay? That doesn't say they want to give illegals free healthcare.
It does say this, though.
>Meanwhile, Trump appeared to waver Tuesday on whether there would be a shutdown while continuing to push false claims about what Democrats want in the funding bill.
>"Nothing is inevitable, but I would say it's probably likely, because they want to give health care to illegal immigrants, which will destroy health care for everybody else in our country. And I didn't see them bend even a little bit when I said, we can't do that," Trump said in the Oval Office.
So that's nice. Thank you for showing you're just repeating the bullshit party line, anon.

>>1443983
Hey remember when Biden let in several million illegals and then sent the feds down to the border to tear up the barriers the state of Texas was putting up to curb the flow - dare I say tidal wave - of illegals?

>Yeah, Trump isn't making it past 2026 without getting impeached.
lmao sure. You've tried every possible type of lawfare against this guy and even tried killing him - but no, THIS TIME you'll get him.... mhm.

>>1444037
>but if the rest of the country left you for a day
Oh no, what would we do without rioting democrats? Have low crime? Anything but that!

>>1443983
Biden's infrastructure bills and Covid spendings actually did more to help Red States than they did Blue States.
Because Joe was President for everybody, not just whoever supports his shitcoin.

>>1444060
>censors conservatives
>raises gas prices
>gets soldiers killed in Afghanistan
>floods red states with illegals
>turbocharges inflation
>strengthens red flag laws
>fires people for refusing the jab, including military
>... but trust me, he's actually helping you more than us!
kek

>>1444061
ESL

>>1444062
Translation: I can't refute shit.

>>1444063
Nah, it just triggers you like it did now

>>1444064
>y-you're mad!
lol

Esl shill is trying to play his anger off

>>1444061
None of those are Biden's infrastructure bills and Covid spendings.

>>1444061
Hey, retard, we're talking about actual funding, not your bullshit. Biden actually said outright he's giving more funds to red states, even though they hate him, because they needed them more.

>>1444059
You spend more federal funding than you take in, dumbass.

>>1444053
Wow, so that literally says nothing about what you said, and instead points out how Dems are actively protecting millions of americans, both dems and repubs, from increased healthcare prices?

>>1444061
And that's where he touched me...

Government is closed?
Woo-hoo!

That fucking homo Trump is also making petty threats against Bad Bunny. How very Umbridge of Trump. Trump is the angry geezer altering out. Get off my lawn! Reality though he is deranged and losing it faster. Just hope some good soldier or WH aid knows when it is just humane to put the old dog down.

>>1444079
Trump and Republicans think that helping Americans is socialism or communism. Instead they wish to embezzle those tax dollars to their 'friends'. That's capitalism.

>>1444087
>Trump and Republicans think that helping Americans is socialism or communism.
Yes. You taking my money and giving it to someone else is is socialism.

>>1444088
>people getting paid for their jobs is socialism
The absolute state of the right.

>>1444089
>taking my money to pay for someone else's healthcare
>getting paid for a job
???????

>>1444067
>>1444077
Well retards even if you wanted to stick to infrastructure bill funding you'd still be wrong because California is the highest recipient of that. But please keep telling me how Biden was doing more to support red states than he was blue states - even as he's fucking red states in the ways I listed.

>>1444078
Thanks to blacks sucking down welfare, SNAP, housing, etc. in states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc.

So go ahead, do me a favor and stop providing those federal funds - oh wait, you can't because those voters are your only shot at one day flipping those states in an election.

>>1444093
nice try, but stay on topic shill, make your own thread if you want to cry about black people

>>1444090
Hey anon, I don't know how to break this to you, but when you pay someone for something, the money can go to a different person's paycheck for a different job at the same place.

>Trump acts like an elderly child and makes the average citizen pay for his stupidity
>gets praised

>>1444100
>dems play chicken with Trump by threatening the economy unless they get what they want
>Trump responds by cutting funding to dem states
>dems whine and cry that they got outskilled

>>1444101
>trump is a pants-shitting pedophile traitor pushing his country over the edge of civil war
>somehow this is a good thing

>>1444099
What?

>>1444104
>dems shut down the government because they won't pass a clean CR, like they did a couple of months ago
>this is Trumps fault
Good luck with that.

>>1443978
Time for all the Blue states to stop paying in, and start working together.

>>1444104
>Trump is pushing the country towards civil war
>coming from the people who keep sniping political figures from rooftops and rioting all the goddamn time
lol

>>1443982
People aren't born gay.

>>1444108
Maybe try making a deal with the other half of the country, "Art of the Deal"

>shill is fuming because their shillbux aren't coming in because of the shutdown
>keeps trying to pretend democrats are responsible
lmao, keep crying chuddie

>>1444112
There is no deal to be made. Its a clean CR.

>>1444112
you mean less than half of the country
less than half or we would have the retard who got there by sucking dick, imagine telling your daughter they too can be president if they fuck the right guy... so powerful

no money for non americans, its basic and should be for all countries
why should we give them a damn thing when we have our own people homeless, starving, mental health issues, drug issues... places like NY said fuck them and found money to house people just not them...

>democrat states: we're footing the bill for red states
>non-partisan president: *withdraws subsidy to democrat states*
>democrat states: nooooo
lol

>>1444125
Yeah don't punch someone who can cripple you back. Blue states stop paying for red states' shit, they're the ones who are gonna suffer first.

>>1444120
>you mean less than half of the country
lmao Trump couldn't even clear flat 50%. And since the election he's lost so many supporters he'd lose.

>why should we give them a damn thing when we have our own people homeless, starving, mental health issues, drug issues..
I love how you say this when the issue is tax credits for medicaid ending, which will cause all of those to increase across the fucking country.

>>1444110
but you don't dispute the pants-shitting pedophile part, i see

>>1444127
>reading comprehension
>what is it?

>>1444128
>I love how you say this when the issue is tax credits for medicaid ending
Dems voted on them to end.

>>1444137
Not enough of them lmao. Start compromising maybe.

>>1444156
>Start compromising maybe.
Compromise on what? Its a clean CR. Dems voted for them to be temporary COVID-19 relief. They voted on them to expire. R's are asking for nothing and cutting nothing. There is no compromise to be made.

>>1444157
Renew the credits retard. Literally just do that and everything goes back to normal.

>>1444160
>give us this thing we voted for to be temporary
>in return you get nothing
Yeah, no.

>>1444160
>Renew the credits
Renew? You mean make permanent, that's what they are holding the government hostage over, to make the temporary COVID emergency credits become permanent

>>1444162
In return, you get a functional government.

>>1444163
Maybe should've thought about that before you cut medicaid via the BBB, meaning those credits are now all that stands between americans and doubling/tripling of insurance rates.

>>1444164
>In return, you get a functional government.
Okay, have fun with that.

>>1444165
The ball is literally in the republican court; Dems are hardline on this issue, literally all they have to do is be like "ok, we've gotten all this other stuff through, we can let them have their tax credits". But no; they're incapable of compromise and negotiation, and thus the government shuts the fuck down.

>>1444166
>and thus the government shuts the fuck down.
Best of luck with that.

>>1444166
>ok, we've gotten all this other stuff through, we can let them have their tax credits".
Its a clean CR. Republicans aren't getting anything through.

>>1444166
Yeah, you need to understand the clean CR came from nothing. Sprung forth naturally from the deep state with no congressional input. its non-partisan, pure, holy.

>>1444169
The CR is bipartisan.

>>1444170
nah

>>1444171
Dem senators voted with R's to pass it. That makes it bipartisan.

>>1444172
nah

>>1443983
If Biden pulled that kind of shit he would've been impeached and for damned good reason.

>>1444177
>impeached for exercising lawful authority

>>1444178
Impeached for making financial decisions without congress and using his office to enact political retribution on entire states.

>>1444019
you just proved me the US is not a serious country

>>1444180
The executive can definitely cancel projects.

>>1444182
You're foreign, I don't give a shit what you think

>>1444026
states don't enforce immigration law and political association is protected by the constitution foreign shill

>>1444184
the supreme court disagreed in cases such as train v. New York and INS v. Chada. if congress passes a law or allocates funds the executive cannot unilaterally rescind those funds or edit the law. we briefly tried to have a line item veto but that was also held unconstitutional in Clinton v. City of New York

>>1444186
Yeah dude. The President cannot impound funds. He can however decide who he awards contracts to.

He's well within his authority.

>>1444187
You don't want a president you want a king.

>>1444188
It's settled law and has been since 1993. See Lincoln v. Vigil.

>>1444187
>deciding who to award contracts to is the same as withholding funding that has already been allocated to ongoing projects with specific intent to punish political opponents
I don't know why I try to have a rational discussion with bad faith posters.

>>1444191
See >>1444189

>>1444192
in Lincoln, funding to an agency with no specificity to how it must be used didn't require the agency to use those funds for a project it had previously used them for.
Here, multiple bills passed years ago budgeted specific money for this specific project. the cases are not factually similar enough for the holding in Lincoln to control. the president does not have the authority to ignore congress' specific appropriations.

Related news
>White House cancels nearly $8B in clean energy projects in blue states
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/white-house-cancels-nearly-8b-in-clean-energy-projects-in-blue-states

>>1444198
>the president does not have the authority to ignore congress' specific appropriations
And Congress does not have the authority to direct the Executive how, specifically, to spend the money. That's the holding.

Cope, seethe, mald, its not up for debate.

>>1444200
That is literally their job you fucking retard. The republican interpretation of separation of powers amounts to "The president can do whatever he want. Congress is free to either agree or get overruled by him"

>>1444202
>>1444200 #
>That is literally their job you fucking retard
Its not their job to run the executive.

>>1444205
Power of the purse you fucking retard. You know, that thing the President does not have.

>>1444208
This is not an impoundment issue you fucking retard. They haven't said they won't spend the money.

>>1444200
congress explicitly has the authority to allocate money for specific purposes that the executive must follow. Lincoln does not overturn that well established precept. I have read the entire case - have you? please cite to me where Lincoln holds that a president or executive agency can disregard specific directives from congress as to how funding is allocated. because I believe it states the exact opposite:

>Of course, an agency is not free simply to disregard statutory responsibilities: Congress may always circumscribe agency discretion to allocate resources by putting restrictions in the operative statutes (though not, as we have seen, just in the legislative history). [Citation] And, of course, we hardly need to note that an agency's decision to ignore congressional expectations may expose it to grave political consequences.
Lincoln v. Vigil 508 U.S. 182 at 193 (1993)

>>1444212
>authority to allocate money for specific purposes
Yes. Never said otherwise.

What congress does not have the authority to do is tell the executive who it must contract with and under what conditions.

>>1444215
>Guys congress can say what purposes the money are for and where the money goes
>But there ain't no rule saying we have to actually send it to those places!
Yes there is, you're contradicting yourself.

>>1444218
No one said the money would not be spent.

>>1444220
Is it going to where it was directed to go to? No? Then you're violating the law.

>>1444221
Okay. Sue.

>>1444215
>What congress does not have the authority to do is tell the executive who it must contract with and under what conditions.
I believe that congress explicitly does have that power, actually. the congress makes the decisions. If congress said, other laws related to procurement or contracting notwithstanding, that the executive must provide funding to a specific company to build a specific factory, then the executive would have no choice but to do so. similarly, if congress allocates money for a multistate infrastructure project and specifically notes some of the partners and where the money should go, then the executive's only function is to do that. go read the infrastructure bill from four years ago or some of the more recent funding bills and tell me they do or they don't but at this point you've demonstrated a pretty severe lack of understanding of how the constitution lays out powers in our government so parsing a bill might also be a bit difficult for you.

>>1444222
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500

Hey I saw your girlfriend enter here with a box of condoms you might want to look into it

>>1444222
Or Republicans could pass the Democrat bill which takes care of it without suing anyone.

>>1444244
No.

>>1444252
That's why the government shut down.

>>1444258
No shit.

>>1444244
The Democrat bill doesn't actually have enough votes to stand on its own 2 feet, it has 45 votes. The Republican proposal to continue the budget as is has 55 votes which is enough to pass, as it has several Democrats supporting it as well

Here's a question: why won't Democrats agree to every offer theyve had to negotiate the issue during FQ4 without shutting down the government?

>>1444244
>Or Republicans could pass the Democrat bill
No way fag.

>>1444262
>30% blame the crisis on congressional Democrats
You're a minority, shill

>>1444269
>muh polls taken before 90% of people even knew there was a shutdown

>>1444270
>In a survey conducted by the Washington Post on Oct. 1 – the first day of the shutdown – 47% said they blamed Trump and Republicans in Congress for the ongoing impasse that has left thousands of federal workers without pay and halted various government activities.
turbo cope continues

>>1444273
Get back to us in a week.

>>1444276
>t-t-t-they'll blame dems in a week
>yeah, definitely in a week
cope is still intensifying somehow

>>1444054
>That doesn't say they want to give illegals free healthcare.
The federal government gives money to the States to reimburse healthcare costs like California which actively provides healthcare to illegals. This was a part of the BBB bill debate a few months ago.

>>1444278
Yes. This your first shutdown or something?

>>1444279
So basically, everyone's healthcare has to be more expensive, because theoretically some of it might go to an illegal?

There's a reason why they just say "They're giving illegals healthcare!" instead of explaining why/how; because every explanation makes them look terrible and willing to fuck over millions of americans to potentially avoid benefiting a few illegals.

>>1444279
nah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
>It requires hospital emergency departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) for anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.

If you walk into a hospital injured with no ID, they're not allowed to let you die while figuring out who you are and how to get money from you.
The funds are to compensate hospitals if they can't get paid for that treatment.

>>1444287
>So basically, everyone's healthcare has to be more expensive, because theoretically some of it might go to an illegal
No, it only applies to people who are insured through the ACA market place. Most people's rates will be unchanged. It will affect 22 mil or so MAX.

>>1444288
Hey weren't Repubs the same ones who said without this kind of idea, there'd be "death panels" that just decide if people get medical treatment or not?

>>1444293
>It will affect 22 mil or so MAX.
>Don't worry guys, this'll only affect like 22 million people. They're basically all fringe cases

>>1444294
no, death panels were if the US was actually running healthcare and possibly denying treatment.
Republicunts freaked out about it despite private insurance having literal death panels, and eventually offloading that to AI programmed to simulate death panels.
Probably because they love giving away money to billionaires so they can fuck their children

>>1444294
Indeed. And this is what Democrats are fighting to stop. Imagine hospitals just having to eat shit and treat someone instead of charging a million dollars to see some Indian faggot claiming to be a doctor when injured or sick.

We would prefer to work out the details before 3/4 of a trillion dollars on something in a fucking CR.

>>1444288
>The funds are to compensate hospitals if they can't get paid for that treatment.
And that treatment still needs to be paid with tax dollars.
Do you understand how stupid it is for Americans to be subsidizing the welfare of invaders?

>>1444304
>Do you understand how stupid it is for Americans to be subsidizing the welfare of invaders?
That is a really stupid sentence, and you should feel dumb for typing it out.
Most Americans think it would be even dumber if American citizens die because they have a medical emergency when they don't have ID for some reason

>>1444304
>invaders
It's like you get all your rhetoric from Stephen Miller's playbook.

>>1444306
>for some reason
>I'm having a medical emergency and I managed to arrive at a hospital but I don't have an id..
>for
>some
>reason

>50 million visa applicants and 20+ million illegals enter the country, soak up public resources
>democrats don't understand why healthcare is getting expensive
We really are becoming like the UK

>>1443978
More money to send to Argentina!

>>1444311
He's absolutely right.

>>1444312
>kid has an accident at school when their parents are at work? Sorry, he has to die because we can't prove he's American

>>1444319
Or you could just treat him and then send the bill to his parents after?

Lmao wtf is this argument.

>>1444312
>Only illegal immigrants don't have their papers on them all the time

>>1444314
>Immigrants are the cause of health insurance cartels colluding with for-profit hospitals and for-profit drugmakers

>>1444319
>lefties think the world is going to turn into DMV waiting lines because we can't give illegals free healthcare

>>1444321
Have you ever been to an ER? Illegals use them to get non-emergency medical care because they know they can't get turned away. Hospitals don't care because they know they can bill the government (At emergency rates which are higher than normal rates) for it.

If you turn off the money, hospitals will turn away illegals for non-emergencies.

>>1444321
>illegal walks into hospital, gets free healthcare (paid by medicare), leaves
>no bills paid, no mailing address for debt collection
>repeat 20 million times
>tax burdens and economical entanglements start fucking up the middle class
>retards can't figure out why healthcare is becoming more expensive, chalk it up to corporate greed and keep kvetching that illegals are being deported

>>1444326
>If you turn off the money, hospitals will turn away illegals for non-emergencies.
No, they're still required by law to treat them.
It'll just force the hospitals that can't cover the cost to shut down

>>1444317
No he isn't.
>>1444326
>>1444327
>muh "illegals"
How did you people get like this?

>>1444327
>Ah yes, my finest fictional scenario to justify tripling health insurance costs please

>>1444326
No they won't. They don't turn away Lashawndra when she comes in for the eight unpaid time this month because little Jamquesha got the sniffles and they don't turn away José. They're not allowed to even when the money doesn't come in. They send the bill a couple weeks later, let it sit for a while, drop their credit score from 300 to 285, then ask the government to cover this so they don't have to eat the cost. Finding out who can't/won't pay is something that happens long after treatment is over.

>>1444330
mmm yeah he is.

>muh illegals aren't illegals
How did you subhumans get like this?

>>1444331
>>Ah yes, my finest fictional scenario to justify tripling health insurance costs please
You just gotta ignore that Obamacare mandated that 80% of insurance costs had to go to actual insurance instead of padding leech pockets, and Republicunts decided to allow the loophole where they could triple prices to get the old profit margins back.

>>1444328
Yeah anon, illegals still have credit cards, bank accounts, and/or billing addresses. Hospitals can and do still send them bills they have to pay; you literally cannot force a hospital to refuse treating someone who needs help and is consenting to treatment. It violates the hypocritic oath all doctors have to take.

>>1444332
It's like you get your racist strawmen from Rush Limbaugh's radio show in 1996.

>>1444333
No he really isn't.
>muh subhumans
If you really wanted people to believe you then you wouldn't be using literal nazi buzzwords.

>>1444327
Most illegals have mailing addresses. They're the places ICE go to when they're dragging people out of their homes into unmarked vans. You didn't think those were squatters, did you? They pay rent and usually also taxes, because the IRS doesn't care even a little bit about your legal status when they could be wringing tax money out of you

>>1444335
>illegals
Anyone who doesn't pay taxes is an "illegal".

>>1444336
I know people who work in an ER. The nogs bring their kids in for things a pediatrician wouldn't even bother looking at them for. Common colds, tummy aches, scraped knees, straight to the ER at taxpayer expense. They bill them, the bills go unpaid, the bills go to the government. They don't ask for money up front.

>>1444337
lol I could give a fuck what you believe, leftist. They're in the country illegally, that makes them invaders. They do not belong here and will be removed. Your attempts to keep them here AND give them benefits paid through taxes is being unraveled by Trump. Your tears are delicious.

>>1444340
You don't even live in America.

>>1444342
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't sheltered and just call you a stupid shill. Put your supervisor on, I have some complaints about the quality of your work.

>>1444341
The funny thing is you don't even have to be a leftist to call out your far right racist bullshit.

>>1444343
Seek help for your bad case of woke right indoctrination

>>1444338
>Most illegals have mailing addresses.
Which they don't leave at the hospital, because that would mean receiving a bill.

>>1444344
I hope we start deporting "Americans" who shill for illegal immigrants.

>>1444346
So what is your solution, kick out anyone who doesn't have an ID? Hospitals don't ask for payment up front for emergency services, because that's some fucking dark comedy shit.

>>1444346
If that worked, nobody who showed up at a hospital would ever give their name or address and they'd all walk out scot free. What actually happens if you refuse to ID at the hospital is they call the police or pass your info off to a collections agency who will try to find you using alternative means. Since most illegals do have an address and had to pass under cameras to arrive at the ER, they're not hard to find.

>>1444344
And yet you are.
>in before nuh uh I just want to flood millions of illegals into the country and give them a pathway to citizenship so we never lose another election

>>1444345
I'll believe the lived experiences of people who work in the ER over you, thanks. I'm sorry the reality of our broken system doesn't vibe with your beliefs.

>>1444349
>they're not hard to find
They all look the same and use the same names.

>>1444351
And the more you keep using words like "nog" and "illegal" no one is going to believe you.

>>1444350
Where do you people get this shit from?

>>1444354
>reality is unbelievable because you almost said a naughty no-no word
It's worse than I thought. You should get off this site right now before someone actually drops some doubleplus ungood words on you. Did you know we don't even have to engage in zoomer algospeak here? I can say the words suicide, murder, rape, and even those super duper trigger words. I won't out of courtesy, but you've been warned.

>>1444355
Chuck Schumer.

>>1444358
Go outside and stand on a street corner with a giant sign saying "Nogs and illegals clogging hospitals is why you can't have healthcare". I'd be curious to see if you lasted more than an hour before you end up in a hospital yourself.

>>1444339
Lmao then those people you've been deporting aren't illegal
>https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/
>Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.

>>1444362
Why do you believe the nogs and illegals are violent reactionaries like that?

>>1444360
Wrong

>>1444363
Go back to your thinktank and mull over it again.
>>1444364
Do you honestly think all white americans are as racist as you are?

>>1444368
Sister, you're the one who claimed you wouldn't last an hour with a sign that had the word nog on it. Did someone attack you? It's not racist to report them if they did. I know you think it is, but it's really not.

>>1443978
>Meaningless word-slinging and meaningless foot-shuffling to help folks stay riled up about this and that
>>ITT elsewhere: meta-progression forces dueling bots, maintenance of some odd parallel of infighting on a board known only for meaningless infighting, on a site known partially for meaningless infighting.
Ok, so if anybody's not getting paid to hang out yapping finger-bone-dust about flat distractions, post again. If not, dead thread, seems fine?
Since things tend to get muddy when there's all this nonsense flying around, this means that all further posts in this thread are by genuine humans, interacting in a public forum as friends and equals.

>>1444369
No I claimed you wouldn't. You're so out of touch with the average American's viewpoint you think being an edgy racist is acceptable outside of 4chan.

>>1444372
And why wouldn't I? Is it because doing that would be dangerous? Danger from whom, exactly?

>>1444374
White non-racist people (the vast majority of Americans)

>>1444371
I'm not sure what you were expecting. Rational discourse? That went out the window when the thread devolved into being about racist strawmen visiting hospitals.

>>1444376
So you think white people would jump me, and only white people? What a weird take. Do you suppose the rest of them are too infantile to stand up for something? Or are they inhumanly noble props instead of people?

>>1444372
>>1444374
>>1444376
Acceptance and danger are different things.
There are limited populations for each, which tend to self-segregate.
>>1444377
There there, calm down little fella.
>>1444379
Nobody wants to jump you, and your mother would look askance at your behavior there and here, unless she's just fine with that kind of thing. Maybe everyone you know is. That's not a very universal experience.

>>1444374
People who think racists can eat shit. I'd love to see you ruin your own life anon.

>>1444379
I'm white and I would definitely jump you

>>1444380
>Nobody wants to jump you
Then why would I end up in the hospital within an hour? Is this some religious thing? God hasn't smote anyone that openly in centuries.

>>1444381
>>1444382
It's unfortunate, but there are a lot of racists in this country. There are many places they could get by just fine, albeit without much respect outside of the community.

>>1444382
Okay, but do you see the brown hordes as noble Others of an inhuman nature, or just props used for good boy points? Because it sure doesn't sound like any of you see them as people.

>>1444384
There aren't that many racists in this country, but the few there are like to inflate their numbers to self-rationalize their irrational worldviews.

>>1444383
Not them, and you won't wind up in any hospital.
>>1444385
This is starting to sniff like some paid content, there.
>>1444387
Just enough.

>>1444385
I know it's hard for a racist like you to not automatically divide every group of people by race but consider that the "brown hordes" are more American than you are.

>>1444389
Likewise, paid content odor.

>>1444389
Well, I know it's hard for you to be introspective, but I do want you to realize that infantilization is also racism. When you insist that no such people could ever abuse the system because that race is all so great, that is racist. It's not even some dumb shit like inverted racism against white people, it's racist against the ones you are praising. You are reducing them to props. You're so blinded by this that you didn't even get the point of the original post that illegals aren't the ones eating up all the ER money for lack of payment and so this demand for Medicaid isn't for them.

>>1444390
No not likewise. You have a flawed worldview that belongs in the 1920s, not the 2020s. Everyone else laughs at you or threatens you.

>>1444394
This post is just coping.
>>1444395 applies to you as well.

>>1444395
You may have misidentified me: I have no such worldviews.
>>1444397
At this point, it's difficult to imagine that you're not a paid actor or a simple bot. Please accept my regards.
>>1444394
If you're very invested, consider talking with yourself in the bathroom mirror for gaining confidence and a sense of self-worth.

>>1444401
Why are you in this thread at all if you (incorrectly) think it's bots?

>>1444365
>"The only way we’re going to have a great future is if we welcome immigrants get a path to citizenship for all 11 million illegal immigrants.”
lol

>>1444404
Its cope.
Desperate cope, because they're so fucking dumb they can't even consider other posters are dumber, so they have to pretend they're AI

>>1444405
>path to citizenship
So not illegal then. Got it.

>>1444410
>for all 11 million illegal immigrants
Reading is hard.

>>1444411
Technically all that means is that none are excluded from the possibility, not that it's free or easy.
Which I don't agree with, if they commit felonies they should never be eligible for citizenship, at a minimum.

>>1444368
>Go back to your thinktank and mull over it again.
What is there to mull? It's an objective, proven facts that there are illegals who pay taxes. All of them? Almost definitely not, but at the same time enough of them do that it contributed billions to our total taxes.

>>1444413
Technically what it means is that he - and all democrats - want to make the 11 million illegals Biden let into the country into voting citizens... i.e. what I just said earlier, despite the "nuh uhs" from gaslighting leftists ITT.

>>1444414
>What is there to mull?
The meaning of the word compromise and how Republicans will need to give up something if they want to pass the CR.

>>1444416
>repeating the debunked GOP talking points again
Shouldn't you be shitposting on twitter instead of 4chan, Mr. Miller?

>>1444363
>>1444414
The study you're quoting is an estimate, a complete and total hypothetical.

>>1444419
>give us what we want or no one gets to have a government
"No"

>>1444395
>Everyone else laughs at you or threatens you.
Because white people being aligned on a racial basis scares the hell out of people like you.

>>1444423
Anon I don't know how to break it to you, but taxes come on literally everything. For no illegals to have ever paid taxes, they would've had to never use or never have:
>Electricity
>Water
>Housing
>Food
>Gas

>>1444426
>hypothetically they pay taxes

>>1444421
>We're not trying to make illegals citizens!
>Here's a dem that said he wants to make illegals citizens.

>>1444425
You have mistaken mocking and ostracizing you for being scared, a common mistake backwards racists make.

>>1444426
Don't forget the sales tax on absolutely everything. Massachusetts has a tax free weekend once a year, I guess you could stock up on an entire year's worth of beans and rice if you were really determined to never pay a single tax. But the rest of the year you better be living under a bush or something.

>>1444424
The compromise is going to happen eventually.
>>1444428
They are not illegal if they're on a path to citizenship.

>>1444431
>The compromise is going to happen eventually.
Lol, that's where you're wrong bucko.

>>1444432
But I'm not wrong though. They need democrats to pass the CR and the democrats aren't going to vote for the CR in its current form.

>>1444429
>commie instinctually seethes at whites
many such cases

>>1444057
a non issue

>>1444433
Aw sweet, babies first shutdown.

>>1444431
>They are not illegal if they're on a path to citizenship.
They came here illegally. That makes them illegals, regardless of your attempts to make voters out of criminals.

>>1444437
Actually that's just a misdemeanor. On a technical level they aren't even criminals.

>>1444438
>misdemeanors aren't crimes
Democrats are fucking retarded

>>1444438
>A misdemeanor isn't a crime
Well if we're going to play these games, Supreme Court has already ruled that deportation isn't a punishment.

>>1444438
>that's just a misdemeanor. On a technical level they aren't even criminals.
You obviously aren't even American

>>1444438
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/criminal-defense/what-is-a-misdemeanor/

>>1444438
>misdemeanor
>they aren't even criminals.
brooooooo

>>1444438
Misdemeanors are crimes.
The better argument is that immigration actions are civil and not criminal proceedings. On that level, illegal immigration is on the same level as things like parking tickets, which are ultimately not impactful to anyone's rights no matter how many they rack up.

>>1444446
remind us what trump is

>>1443978
good good fuck new yorkers
>>1444112
what part of don't negotiate with terrorists do you not get?

>>1444128
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/the-republican-party-favorability
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/the-democratic-party-favorability
republicans are leading by 9% anon your narrative doesn't match reality.

>>1444450
>your narrative doesn't match reality.
Doesn't seem to stop you from lying on this board constantly
Tell me again about a clean CR

>>1444450
>https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/democrat-flips-trump-11-seat-in-iowa
Oops.

>>1444451
>Tell me again about a clean CR
Nta, but you mean the continuing resolution that proposed no changes to the existing budget which would allow the health care issue to be negotiated before end of year, preventing a government shutdown? That cr, which several Democrats refused to accept and decided instead they would rather shutdown the government?
What about that cr?

>>1444454
>which would allow the health care issue to be negotiated before end of year
...and thus leaving it the problem for Americans until god knows when? You recognize it was running out NOW right?

>>1444455
>..and thus leaving it the problem for Americans until god knows when
You don't have to be God to know that the tax credits expire in 3 months and regardless of the government shutdown happening right now, there is 3 months to negotiate it.
Avoiding the government shutdown would have just, you know avoided the government shutdown

>>1444452
wow that's so going to help you right lmao
>>1444451
I don't lie I'm not a leftist terrorist

>>1444456
If they won't negotiate it now, why would they negotiate it then? They've refused to negotiate at every turn in spite of the issue, thus forcing a shutdown because they won't even listen to the other side long enough to address their issues.

>>1444457
your job is to lie and we all know you're literally not american

>>1444093
>Thanks to blacks sucking down welfare, SNAP, housing, etc. in states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc.
False.

>>1444458
They've offered to address the issue raised by Democrats by paying for the medical credits by cutting spending elsewhere.
Have Democrats even responded to that or did they just stamp their feet and shut down the government?

>>1444128
>Trump couldn't even clear flat 50%. And since the election he's lost so many supporters he'd lose.
Wrong. The number of Trump's supporters are growing everyday and even more so when you have the richest man in the world on your side. I'd say it's an easy win for Republicans next election

>>1444475
you do know golden shower is a euphemism right billionaire slurper

>>1444471
>by cutting spending elsewhere.
By using the same "waste and fraud" bullshit that caused DOGE to waste billions of dollars. Come in with a good faith discussion instead of buzzwords and maybe you'll get somewhere.

To use some language dear leaders have; the Repubs have no cards. Dems have all the cards. Give them what they want and end the shutdown without trying to attach strings.

>>1444477
>the Repubs have no cards. Dems have all the cards.
KEK

>>1444475
>A number of Trump's supporters are growing everyday
fixed it for you
rural hospitals shutting down is going to be real hard on MAGA fatties and grammas
we're trying to save you faggots from yourselves

>>1443978
killing all democrats and democrat voters would literally solve all our countries problems, i dont understand what we are waiting for

>>1444542
>we
Don't you have to get on a scooter and invade Ukraine, shill

>>1444330
Let me bring in ol' Lyndon B. Johnson to explain their mindset.
>“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”
It's that simple. Held up for decades.

>>1444546
LBJ was talking about far right republicans.

I‘m really shocked that Trump alone has so much power as President, it seems he can do whatever he wants. Why this was never possible before with other US Presidents? I remember that Republicans always had an easy way to block everything that a Democratic President and Party did or wanted to do. I somehow don‘t hear much from the Democrats recently, except maybe from Bernie Sanders and this guy is not even a member of the Democratic Party.
Seriously, what‘s going on there in the USA and why does it look as if the whole country is in coma instead of giving Trump a hard Opposition.

>>1444551
Any other president would've been impeached or shot down by the supreme court. But Trump has corrupted all the checks to his power... and it's backfiring horrifically as he's leading us to shit.

>>1444551
millions of people are protesting every week, but if the media shows that instead of trump's golf victory they'll be sued out of existence

>>1444552
you do realize one of the cases he had that reached the supreme court literally had the justice asking why wasn't it a crime in the past for a former president to do this but it is now for trump and the democrat attack dogs tried to argue oh times have changed.
leftists are so out of touch with reality.

>>1444556
please study english instead of posting

>>1444557
learn to read run on sentences or just hurry and kys

>>1444558
it's not learning to try and decipher your babble. are you 18?

>>1444559
so the uneducated retard cant read run on sentences and has a freak out why karen why are you still allowed to breed.

i didn't know esl shill was underage too. go figure

>>1444563
you need to click on their No. to reply to someone dipshit, you're welcome stop being a techlet.
stop being a terrorist

>>1444558
>learn to read run on sentences
no thanks

>>1443983
>>1444060
>>1444177
Go back

esl shill is begging for his safe space

>>1443993
>Only Democrats live in Blue states, Only Republicans live in Red states

>>1443992
There's only one country here, Juan, not the Democratic States and the Republican States. We already settled the issue of what happens to people who secede from the Union, they get killed for treason.