>>1444152
>additional $700bn in spending by restoring cuts to healthcare
Again anon, not cutting something from your budget isn't the same as adding to it.

>>1444154
Do you realize that budgets are projected over 10 year periods? If you did, you would understand why what you said just now was extremely stupid

>>1444152
Post at least one of the articles

>>1444161
Close to half of Americans blame President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans for the government partially shutting down, according to a new poll.

In a survey conducted by the Washington Post on Oct. 1 – the first day of the shutdown – 47% said they blamed Trump and Republicans in Congress for the ongoing impasse that has left thousands of federal workers without pay and halted various government activities.

Another 30% blame the crisis on congressional Democrats, and 23% said they were "not sure" when asked who they think is "mainly responsible" for the shutdown.

>>1444174
Don't care. There is nothing to "negotiate". Republicans aren't asking for anything or cutting anything. Dems are holding the federal government hostage to get a temporary tax credit they passed renewed.

Answer is, and I am quoting Trump here, "they can fuck off".

>>1444175
Democrats are refusing to budge because they don't want healthcare rates to triple. Republicans refuse to compromise.

That is the core of the shutdown. Compromise or it will continue.

>>1444176
>Compromise or it will continue.
Deal.

>>1444152
You can't make a thread every day here. You can only make 5 threads for 5 days.

>>1444176
And the question you haven't asked is, "Why would it triple?" and even "Why should it triple?"

https://www.usaspending.gov/agency
Explain these numbers:
$3,295,380,040,135
342,034,432
$9634
or really:
$3,295,380,040,135
150,000,000
$22,000

>>1444190
>And the question you haven't asked is, "Why would it triple?" and even "Why should it triple?"
Because the tax credits are what is keeping the prices where it is, you fucking moron.
>Hmmm, but have you considered why stopping how much the government covers would increase how much the average person would need to pay?
>I am very intelligent.

>>1444193
but have you considered hunter biden's penis?

>>1444193
>pass ACA that causes premiums to explode
>pass short term credits to keep exploding premiums under control
>credits expire
>save us Republicans
"no"

>>1444195
Ok now do Trump's tax cuts.

>>1444196
Renewed by Republicans this year.

>>1444197
Oh wow, so that's ok but god forbid we do something that helps the average american and not a fucking billionaire.

>>1444201
Americans voted to give Republicans control so the Republicans push forward with their agenda.

That's how the system works.

>>1444203
So the half that voted the democrats in can just get fucked?

You don't control the other half of congress, and they're obligated per their position to represent what their voters want. If you disagree, reach a compromise with them instead of just going "uh I can do whatever I want!!!" and refusing even though that results in the government not functioning.

>>1444201
>billionairs
I got a tax cut. I'm not a billionaire.

>>1444206
>So the half that voted the democrats in can just get fucked
Yes.
> "uh I can do whatever I want!!!" and refusing even though that results in the government not functioning.
That is literally what the Dems have done right now.

>>1444209
>Yes.
And there's your problem. Remember all that "Tyranny of the majority!" shit that Republicans spewed until they had a majority?

Enjoy your shutdown until you actually decide to negotiate with the other half of the fucking country.

>>1444211
>Enjoy your shutdown until you actually decide to negotiate with the other half of the fucking country.
We have no problem with a dem shutdown.

>>1444211
>Enjoy your shutdown
Republicans planned for it all year, why wouldn't they enjoy it?

>>1444213
You have every branch of government. By all definitions, it is your shutdown.

Even with all that power you cannot negotiate for shit. Whatever happened to the "Art of the Deal"?

>>1444216
>By all definitions, it is your shutdown.
Dems voted to shut it down.
>negotiate
Its a clean CR there is nothing to negotiate.

>>1444219
>Its a clean CR there is nothing to negotiate.
Save for the expiration of tax credits that will result in tripled healthcare prices for the average american. Something half the country at minimum is quite opposed to.

Literally just negotiate and you can end this quickly. Justify it to yourself the same way you do renewing Trump's tax cuts and move on. Instead pouting like a child because someone else asked for something is gonna keep the government closed. And since all three branches are republican, you have to own every step of why you couldn't give a single concession.

>>1444223
>Instead pouting like a child because someone else asked for something is gonna keep the government closed.
Literally what dems are doing right now.

>Its a clean CR there is nothing to negotiate.
You trannys need to read the text.
This is the current Truth.
You're not allowed to disagree with it

>>1444224
I'm sorry, who has literally every possible branch of government yet is uncomfortable with granting a single concession? Even when failing to do so will result in a shutdown?

>>1444226
Who literally voted to shut down the government?

>>1444225
Yeah because its really that simple. Republicans aren't asking for anything so there is no "concession" to be made and nothing to "negotiate".

Lame duck Trump enjoys watching wimp Schumer squirm

>>1444228
>Who literally voted to shut down the government?
Republicans, who refused to even start a discussion to stop it.

>>1444232
Who voted against funding the government?

Republican senators spending the day celebrating a Jewish holiday instead of working. Are you ever gonna wake up Americans?

>>1444233
Who had every card in the casino but couldn't even give a single one up to avoid that vote? Democrats were open to negotiation, and Republicans had literally everything to negotiate with.

>>1444237
Members of which party explicitly voted against funding the government?

>>1444233
>Who voted against funding the government
By all accounts that would be Democrats

>>1444152
Since the government is shut down, that means no more government, right? When does God-Emperor Trump crown himself and set up the completely new government? What are we waiting for?

>>1444174
Not that it matters but I'm sure that's true and I'm not at all surprised because the rhetoric out of the Republican executive branch has been pants on head propaganda that sounds retarded.
As soon as people continue educate themselves, for example as they see how pretty much every article is headlined "Democrats shoot down another spending package" public opinion will change.

>>1444238
Which party refused to even meet with Dems to prevent a shutdown?

>>1444242
Both parties have been meeting in the Senate literally every day of the week, except apparently for Jewish holidays.
The lower house has also been meeting frequently and has put it through several bills now for the Senate to approve

>>1444246
with not a single negotiation with the dems. Trump was going to, then decided against it and literally told them to go fuck themselves under the belief that they'd fall in line instead of, you know, representing their voters by not doing so.

This is literally the basics of how this government works, and you're saying Republicans are just objective failures at it even when they have literally all the power?

>>1444247
>with not a single negotiation with the dems
This is incorrect though. There are quotes I can pull up from both Johnson and Thule offering to work with them to negotiate these issues before end of year asking them to not shut down the government when it wasn't needed

Trump did tell them to fuck off though, that is true

>>1444242
>>1444247
What is there to negotiate? Its a clean CR, Republicans aren't asking for anything in it.

This is the most retarded thing ever. If youre willing to shut the gov down over the credits then do it and own it.

>>1444249
>Trump did tell them to fuck off though, that is true
Of course he did. Its a clean CR, so saying "give us what we want, and you get nothing, or we shut down the government" is ridiculous.

>>1444250
>>1444251
>It's a clean cr! It's a clean cr!
What the fuck is this new shill line? I don't give a shit; "stop healthcare from tripling or we won't approve the plan that will result in that" is a pretty reasonable demand.

>>1444251
>>1444250
There's a lot of truth to this too imo. Democrat literally just passed this spending bill just a few months ago, and Republicans weren't trying to change anything, literally just continue it for a few months while larger issues got hammered out.

It really seems like a performance by Dems to "fight" trump rather than perform work with positive outcomes

>>1444247
>vote to shut down government
>Republicans did this
You dudes are such pussies. When the GOP is in the minority and shuts down the government it fucking owns it
>fuck yes we shut it down, and we'll do it again

>>1444254
>It really seems like a performance by Dems to "fight" trump rather than perform work with positive outcomes
Exactly.

>seems like
Definately shill talking points

>>1444255
>When the GOP is in the minority and shuts down the government it fucking owns it
LOL no they don't, they always blame Dems.

>>1444254
You know, other than those tripling healthcare prices.

>>1444261
Republicans aren't doing that, dems did it when they created the credits in 2021.

Billionaires HAD to charge us all the extra money instead of giving out extra health care
At least thats what retarded shills believe
Luigi showed us another way

>>1444263
And Republicans created a massive tax increase when they made their tax cuts. Now, why do we have to keep going with those but not this? And at a time where you've already fucked over any attempt to soften the blow through the healthcare cuts in Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill"?

>>1444264
Premiums are increasing and have increased massively since 2010 because of Obama Care. It has nothing to do with CEO's and everything to do with shitty government policy.

>>1444265
>And Republicans created a massive tax increase when they made their tax cuts
Wot?
>Now, why do we have to keep going with those but not this?
Because the American people gave the GOP a majority.

>>1444266
Right wing shills sure love and protect billionaire leeches and pedophiles
Why do you like leeches and fucking kids so much?

>>1444267
>Wot?
What do you think happens when we don't renew Trump's tax cuts?

>Because the American people gave the GOP a majority.
But not a supermajority that would allow them to disregard the democrats. Right now the American people are disappointed in the GOP, who fucked them with tariffs then refused to cooperate with the other side even in the event of government shutdown.

>>1444272
>What do you think happens when we don't renew Trump's tax cuts
They are permanent now.
>cooperate with the other side even in the event of government shutdown.
The GOP did "cooperate" by offering a clean continuing resolution. They didn't ask for anything or cut anything. That's compromise.

>>1444265
>Now, why do we have to keep going with those but not this?
Lol so your solution is throwing fuel on the flames? Lmao, you're like "this things a problem, why can't we make it worse!??"

So dumb

>>1444274
>That's compromise.
try again, esl

>>1444277
Republicans not asking for anything and not doing anything, when they could, and offering to continue negotiations after funding the gov is a compromise.

>>1444274
>They are permanent now.
No they aren't lmao. Only the ones for the ultra-wealthy; for most Americans, they expire and when they do their taxes will triple.

>The GOP did "cooperate" by offering a clean continuing resolution. They didn't ask for anything or cut anything. That's compromise.
You can change the shill line from "Clean CR" to "clean continuing resolution" but that still makes it a shill line. And no, a resolution that fails to address the impending massive increase of healthcare prices is not "clean".

>>1444275
>Lol so your solution is throwing fuel on the flames? Lmao, you're like "this things a problem, why can't we make it worse!??"
The GOP is literally causing a problem. With their bill, those cuts run out and healthcare prices triple. Instead of trying to reach some kind of compromise to avoid that, they just decided "yeah that's alright. Fuck people who need health insurance" and refused to fix the issue.

>>1444274
>The GOP did "cooperate" by offering a clean continuing resolution. They didn't ask for anything or cut anything. That's compromise.
Technically their compromise was "let's not do anything right now and continue course for another 3 months and use that time to negotiate concerns without needing to cause a government shutdown"

>>1444280
see >>1444277

>>1444280
They're asking for the cuts to expire. And don't say "that's compromise" when you didn't even bother meeting with dems. You can't just put your plan forward and say "look, it's a compromise" when the other party had 0 say in it.

Learn how to run a working government.

>>1444281
>shill line from "Clean CR" to "clean continuing resolution" but that still makes it a shill line
Reality is not shilling.
>resolution that fails to address the impending massive increase of healthcare prices is not "clean".
If it funds government at current levels without making changes it is by definition a clean continuing resolution.
>compromise
I don't think you know what this word means.

>>1444285
>when the other party had 0 say in it.
The GOP had no say in it either you fucking retard. That's literally the point of a CR: to fund the government while the parties work out a spending bill.

>>1444285
>They're asking for the cuts to expire
No they are not you disingenuous retard. You are either lying or uneducated in the matter. The car is a fucking cr, meaning to proposed exactly zero changes.

>>1444261
Why should healthcare prices triple when healthcare spending is already the #1 expense of the fed?
It sounds like there's a problem there when 2 trillions simply isn't enough.

>>1444286
>Reality is not shilling.
Reality is the bill increases healthcare for millions of americans by failing to address the credits.

>I don't think you know what this word means.
You don't anon. You seem to think compromise means "We put forward exactly what we want, and then if you ask for anything we'll just disregard it and try to push it anyway".

>>1444289
>The GOP had no say in it either you fucking retard.
You keep pretending the budget miraculously appeared from nowhere because you're a retarded shill who knows they're lying

>>1444292
>Reality is the bill increases healthcare for millions of americans by failing to address the credits
The bill is completely silent on this issue.
> "We put forward exactly what we want, and then if you ask for anything we'll just disregard it and try to push it anyway
W
The GOP also has things it would like to spend money on. Notice how none of that shit is in the CR?

A CR is stopgap to keep the government funded until the parties reach a deal on a spending bill.

>>1444295
Its becoming increasingly obvious that you have absolutely no idea what the term "clean continuing reasolution" means or how it operates.

"Clean" means that no Republican shit and no Democrat shit gets put in it.

>>1444297
>Repubs have no demands
>Dems have one demand
>Instead of just meeting that demand to avoid a shutdown, Repubs decide to completely cut off all negotiations and let the shutdown happen
Yeah this is on them for failing to actually, you know, negotiate with the other party instead of shoving their fingers in their ears and think they'll be fine with not dealing with a hardline issue. It shows complete and utter political incompetence.

>>1444302
>come on bros just give us another $700 billion for Obama Care
>no, of course you get nothing in return.
Pass.

>>1444299
>"Clean" means that no Republican shit and no Democrat shit gets put in it.
try again, esl

>>1444307
NTA but hyperfocusing on the word "clean" isn't going to save you.
see >>1444291

There's rightoid propaganda for this on the websites for fucking federal programs. A huge banner across the HUD homepage blaming the radical left. Hatch Act? Never heard of it.

>>1444303
>no, of course you get nothing in return.
You get to pass the budget.

>>1444309
>You get to pass the budget
No we don't. Were not passing a budget. Were passing a CR.

>>1444309
>You get to pass the budget
The budget was already passed several months ago. You have literally no idea what you are arguing about, you are just repeating think tank talking points

>>1444310
>Were not passing a budget. Were passing a CR.
REPUBLICANS were not passing a budget
REPUBLICANS were not passing a CR
were is a verb, esl, and needs a noun
we're is something else
learn english if you're going to shill in America, fuckstick

>>1444316
Okay, grammar nazi.

>>1444310
My mistake. You get to pass a CR, then.

>>1444313
>you are just repeating think tank talking points
So do you repeat what the left is saying about you on purpose, or is it just done subconsciously? Honest question, no shade. You guys seriously do this all the time.

>>1444322
>You get to pass a CR, then
Its a pity dems can't reach a compromise to keep our government funded while we work out these budget issues.

>>1444324
Open the government
Go fuck yourself
thats the compromise

>>1444324
>Its a pity dems can't reach a compromise
It's a pity the repubs were specifically told not to negotiate with the dems and that Trump told them to go fuck themselves. A real shame.
It's not the dems fault that we can't reach a compromise when the repubs are explicitly not looking to reach a compromise.

>>1444352
Every "compromise" with dems equals surrendering ground.

>>1444359
This is literally the approach to politics that leads to shutdown.

You need to accept you cannot get everything you want, and that sometimes you need to give the other side things.

>>1444329
Every Republican senator voted to keep the government open and so did 10% of Democrat senators. 55 people voted to keep the government open and negotiate the issue like adults without shutting down the government

>>1444366
>we'll negotiate with you after you give us what you want
go fuck yourself

>>1444367
>after you give us what you want
They weren't asking for anything except not shutting down the government. That was their one ask. Not a single change to anything in the already agreed upon spending plan
All they asked for was that Democrats not shutdown the government and handle the issue like adults
Yet it was asking too much

>>1444370
>Not a single change to anything in the already agreed upon spending plan
Yeah, and you're trying to pretend that Democrats should suddenly provide votes for the spending plan they weren't included on
70% of American's aren't blaming Democrats, you're already losing this argument

>>1444359
That's what a compromise is, retard, you're just phrasing it to sound like something worse. You want a bunch of stuff, they want a bunch of stuff, you give up some of your stuff so they can get some of theirs. That's how congress works. That's how congress has always worked.

>>1444366
>55 people voted to keep the government open and negotiate the issue like adults
They are explicitly not negotiating like adults. That's why the government shut down.

>>1444370
They were asking to let health insurance triple in price.

>>1444375
>They are explicitly not negotiating like adults. That's why the government shut down.
The purpose of a CR is to keep government open while negotiations continue. Three Dems voted with Republicans to do this.

>>1444378
>They were asking to let health insurance triple in price.
No they aren't.

>>1444378
>They were asking to let health insurance triple in price
No they were not you lying faggot.
The expiring credits were voted in by Democrats in 2021 and 2013. Democrats literally are the ones who voted to have them expire in 2026 you lying faggmaxxer

>>1444392
>2013
*2023

>>1444393
awww, the shills starting to lose it
try not to crash out again when you tire of gettin bullied

>>1444391
>No they aren't.
Yes they did. Failure to address those credits expiring leads to a massive increase in healthcare price. Why Republicans didn't also want to address this at all is beyond me.

>>1444392
And with Trump's cuts to medicaid, they were going to cause a massive explosion in insurance prices. I don't know why Repubs are opposed to this; not only do they have the same principle in regards to Trump's tax cuts, but they also would be immediately blamed for it because it happened under their watch. I guess they're just that incompetent that they'd rather let a crisis happen then agree with dems.

>>1444391
The time for negotiations were when they were cramming the big stinky bill through. The hikes are coming next month if this goes through. Asking to negotiate after the bomb goes off is a non-starter.

>>1444396
Who are you trying to virtue signal to right now?

>>1444161
He doesn't want to post the articles because they BTFO his blame game talking points.

>>1444403
His "talking points"? It looks like every blurb is literally the headline of each article he linked to.

Try harder, shill kun

>>1444406
why you pretending to be someone else?
just defend your own post

>>1444406
>shill kun
How ironic considering you're literally shilling for the administration's backwards and destructive policies.

>>1444407
You are insane

>>1444398
>Why Republicans wont fund Obama-care, something they have been trying to get rid of for 15 years, is beyond me.

>>1444400
Okay, well I guess we have a shutdown. Like, dude, its pretty obvious the GOP is not in any way intimidated by this shit. LMAO they sent everyone home.

>>1444400
>The time for negotiations were when they were cramming the big stinky bill through
The US government has a long standing policy of not negotiating with terrorists

>>1444412
Not him but his post makes more sense than you getting mad and defending the OP for no reason at all.

>>1444418
It's upsetting that your people's only strategy is to lie about easily verifiable facts.

Please stop being such a shill and try living in reality

>>1444361
>and that sometimes you need to give the other side things.
This allowed dems to go from "trans people deserve rights" to "children can consent to make informed healthcare decisions" and infiltrating public schools. Compromise is a stupid idea.

Please reopen the government.

Thanks.

no matter the topic, esl shill always manages to bring his fetish up. amazing

>>1444422
And where has this mindset gotten you? Oh right, a shutdown.

Republicans again offer negotiations, but will Democrats accept?

Senate Majority Leader John Thune said Thursday that the Senate will return Friday for another vote to reopen the government but cautioned that lawmakers are unlikely to hold additional votes over the weekend if the measure fails.

“If that fails, then we’ll give them the weekend to think about it. We’ll come back and we’ll go again on Monday,” the South Dakota Republican told reporters.

Thune said he welcomed bipartisan discussions among senators seeking a compromise but stressed that any solution must begin with reopening the government. Some lawmakers have floated a short-term funding bill tied to extending Affordable Care Act tax credits, but Thune voiced doubts about both ideas.

He said Republicans would resist plans that fund the government for less than seven weeks and would oppose extending ACA credits without reforms to curb “waste, fraud and abuse.”

>>1444461
>reforms to curb “waste, fraud and abuse.”
So they're signaling to anyone with a brain (i.e. non-MAGA) that they're not negotiating in good faith

>>1444463
Why are you people so hung up on irrational anger?
You ask why someone won't negotiate, and then you see them offering to negotiate, and you claim they don't want to negotiate

>>1444467
hey, i'll negotiate with you right now
shut the fuck up and leave the board forever

>>1444469
Lolz, what a ragefagmaxxer

>>1444470
I'm offering to negotiate here.
Just accept the terms, won't you?
They're favorable to you and everyone else on the board. No reason to refuse.

>>1444472
You really are a petty, angry shill aren't you lol. Are you going to shut down 4chan if I don't leave this board? Hahah

>>1444472
he needs the money though anon, he'll never leave and get a real job

>>1444444
Jesus. Fucking. Murphy.

6 - 4's

>>1444444
Checked
Epic get

>>1444500
you can stop talking to yourself now

>>1444501
You can go back to your discord, newfag

>>1444504
shut the fuck up

>>1444504
triggered.png

>>1444511
>>1444510
That was a pretty epic get though, you don't have to be so salty about it

>epic get
>/news/
nah

>>1444513
Leave your saltiness at the door and relax a little anon

>>1444515
are you still upset nobody gives a fuck about your post number?

>>1444516
I'm not upset at all I'm asking you to chill out a lil a it's just a get ffs

>>1444517
and we want shills like you to get out, ffs

>>1444518
Have you considered meditation to feel with your anger issue

>>1444152
I say we fire the lot and start over. Lmao.

>>1444520
i'm making you mad?

>>1444522
That would be nice

When will Democrats end the Government Shutdown?

>>1444526
They can't, they don't have the votes

>>1444152
In my country this sort of behaviour would have triggered a snap election and every single idiot in that building would have to defend their seats.

>>1444529
Like 80%-90% of the idiots in that building have safe seats.

>>1444544
How safe would they really be if they had to keep going back to the polls because "Whoopsie we refused to compromise again"?

Various outlets report that trump is now posting AI propaganda bangers en masse on his social media
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115307915499158903

Can I just get a quick QRD? What, who, when, how and why?

>>1444554
Basically, a budget was passed several months ago.
Congress still has not passed any appropriation bills which actually do any of the funding and they needed a decision by the start of this fiscal quarter (Oct 1)
There's disagreement on issues and what to fund. Republicans proposed a continuing resolution and negotiating these issues during the quarter which essentially means funding the government as is. It had support of 55 senators which was enough to pass, but never actually got voted in because Democrats blocked the voting process, and that required 60 votes to bypass their block and allow senators to vote in the measure, but nobody had the 60 votes for that
Meanwhile Democrats were unhappy that the previous budget had Medicaid cuts, and were unhappy that the emergency COVID subsidies given to insurance companies voted in by Congress in 2021 were set to expire on Jan 1 2026, so they proposed their own spending bill, which did get voted on, but only received 45 votes of the required 50 to pass.

>>1444554
>>1444555
Basically - Republicans want to keep negotiating. Dems want Republicans to pass a bunch of stuff that runs contrary to Republican legislative goals and that would undo a number of changes Republicans made in the BBB and are not really offering anything in return.

Its probably one of the most retarded shutdowns in my life time which is impressive because the teaparty shutdowns of the 2010's were really fucking retarded.

>>1444565
>Dems want Republicans to pass a bunch of stuff that runs contrary to Republican legislative goals and that would undo a number of changes Republicans made in the BBB and are not really offering anything in return.
Literal only thing they want right now is to renew the tax credits for Obamacare so insurance prices don't spike. But since we have a republican party literally incapable of negotiation or compromise, the government remains closed. This shit is inevitable when you act like you have 60 votes when all you have is an increasingly thin majority.

>>1444567
>Literal only thing they want right now is to renew the tax credits for Obamacare so insurance prices don't spike
Yes, they want something that runs against Republican policy and undoes something Republicans did in the BBB and they are offering nothing in return.
>the government remains closed.
Republicans dont seem to be too concerned about that

>>1444569
so forcing americans to have less money in their pockets is republican policy? thanks for finally admitting that

>>1444569
>Republicans dont seem to be too concerned about that
Well naturally. They wanted to fire all the people affected negatively by this anyway. But the problem is, they're also idiots who don't realize how badly this reflects on them and the effect it'll start having when it goes on too long.

>>1444569
>Yes, they want something that runs against Republican policy
Wrong, 70% of Republicans support it
Its just the billionaire class, their reps, and retarded shills on this board trying to give them blowies that are railing against it
https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/kff-health-tracking-poll-public-weighs-political-consequences-of-health-policy-legislation/

>>1444570
Yes, taxing Americans to pay for other people's health insurance is not a GOP priority.

>>1444578
>polls
I don't support paying for someone else's Healthcare and the GOP has run for yhe last 15 years on getting rid of Obama care.

>>1444580
well, we don't really care about the opinion of foreign shills
Americans run America

>>1444583
>Americans run America
Yes, the GOP currently runs the country.

>>1444585
>>Americans run America
>no, the GOP currently runs the country.
fixed that for you, shill

>>1444586
Quite the meltdown youre having. Have you tried going outside?

projecting esl shill doesn't get breaks to go outside, lol