Day 4 of making a thread every day until Democrats allow the US government to re-openDay 4 Updates:- Plans to End Government Shutdown Fail in Senate for 4th Time https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/10/03/us/trump-news-government-shutdown- Time is short for an ACA premium fix in the shutdown fight, says GOP insurance leader. Democratic lawmakers say extending enhanced premium tax credits is urgent, with open enrollment weeks away. Republican lawmakers say there's time to negotiate over a policy later, since the subsidies expire in December. https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/10/04/nx-s1-5562517/aca-obamacare-shutdown-trump-naic-health-insurance- Republicans control the Senate but need at least eight Democratic caucus members to vote with them to overcome a filibuster and end the shutdown. So far, they have just three. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/three-key-democratic-senators-watch-government-shutdown-standoff-rcna235413- Firings loom: Agencies and activities deemed essential are still open, but many employees will be working without a paycheck, and the Trump administration has signaled thousands of government layoffs could begin soon. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-04-25- Agency shutdown messaging draws Hatch Act, Antideficiency Act challenges https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-shutdown/2025/10/agency-shutdown-messaging-draws-hatch-act-antideficiency-act-challenges/At the heart of the standoff is Democratic Party demands that Republicans agree to an additional $700bn in spending by restoring cuts to healthcare that were enacted over the summer and make permanent the expiring temporary COVID emergency health care credits enacted in 2023 that are due to expire Jan 1, 2026.
>>1444737"If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one who has to get people together."- Donald J. Trump
I'm so tired of this idiot.
>>1444904He says he will stop as soon as Democrats stop shutting down the government
>>1444932Shut the fuck up.
>>1444737"If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one who has to get people together."- Donald J. Trumphttps://x.com/nowthisimpact/status/954440342287220736Fuck him
>>1444933Look, I'm sorry you got furloughed from your position with the department of education as a minority equity analyst of the liberal arts, but don't get mad at me for it. I had nothing to do with it
>>1444938Not him but what strawman are you even referencing this time? Do you even know?
I can fix everything, vote for me.It's everybody's fault except mine.Such powerful leadership from the child-in-chief.
>>1444932They’ll stop when… oh wait. The Dems aren’t shutting down anything. The Reps have the Senate, the House, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. This is their shut down. Why, you may ask? Because Nigger Trump rapes kids. Want the government to work again? Not gonna happen, Nigger Trump doesn’t have the votes to keep his precious files safe.
>>1445067>The Dems aren’t shutting down anythingThen why are they blocking the continuing resolution that's been approved in Congress like five times?Oh wait, it's because they want to shut down the government since their demands aren't being met
>>1445067You are an idiot.You're not acting at it either.You truly are an idiot.>Republicans control the Senate but need at least eight Democratic caucus members to vote with them to overcome a filibuster and end the shutdown. So far, they have just three. What part of the above sentence do you not understand?IDIOT .
>>1445148NTA but all I see is "Republicans are so inept they cannot find a compromise that will get eight dems to vote with them in spite of having full control of all three branches and thus infinite things to potentially leverage"
>>1445069There are always negotiations for CRs. The GOP refuses to negotiate. Therefore the GOP is responsible. They run things. They need to govern and that means working with the opposition when required. IMO the dems aren’t asking for enough. Along with health care they should be demanding statehood for DC and PR.
>>1445159Gee, why won't they negotiate giving healthcare to illegals
>>1445162Not what's happening and you fucking know it. They're trying to keep Obamacare's tax credits intact and prevent insurance from increasing three-fold. So unless you want every hospital to let people die should they fail to have citizen info on them...
>>1445163https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/10/fact-democrats-shut-down-government-over-free-healthcare-for-illegals/>Hospitals let people dieRetard
>>1445168>Guys believe my literal cope piece from the Trump admin trying to blame this on "leftists want healthcare for illegals" even though that's not what they're standing onLet me lay this out for you simply; the only way those tax credits potentially benefit illegals is that it effectively partially foots the bill for hospitals in the event someone has to be treated without insurance. This isn't exclusive to illegals, but rather literally anyone who needs medical assistance and can't present insurance or doesn't have it, because hospitals cannot just let people who come to them for medical emergencies die. The only way for it to not, theoretically, benefit illegals would be for it to be a legal requirement for hospitals to check someone is a citizen before treating them, which is so fucking retarded because it would effectively mean forcing hospitals to let people die if they don't have paperwork on them.
>>1445173That's a lot of words just to cope
>>1445174It's the actual facts of the case, not an excuse from the Trump admin to not negotiate.
>>1445173I think it's the Medicaid cuts they are implying would be used for illegal aliens, not the ACA subsidies, states like California have indeed expanded their Medicaid programs to allow for undocumented persons to receive benefits https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/medical_in_california_11.2020.pdf
>>1445175It's not thoughHere's another source straight from California that says illegal aliens get Medicaid (it's now set to expire in 2026, because if the "big beautiful bill" and this is exactly the medicaid funding they want back)https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-Medi-Cal/Pages/Medi-Cal-Immigrant-Eligibility-FAQs.aspx
>>1445168>whitehouse.govBuddy, you just posted propaganda
>>1445178>>1445176Yeah so like I said; they CAN get it, but it isn't exclusive to them. This shit is like closing down a public park because a homeless person might walk in it.
>>1445182>Yeah so like I said; they CAN get it,nah, shilly's example is Medi-Cal, which isn't paid for with fedbuxthats just the retard seething that California is prosperous and rich so they can spend money on whatever they wantIf we want an example of immigrants receiving free medical care, its right here: https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/10/05/400000-the-free-medical-care-kristi-noems-goons-made-taxpayers-pay/?print=printIts not a great example for their shilling though, because its ICE busting up a guys leg with no proof he was undocumented and having to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the hospital stay and guards, only to be told to let the guy go. So don't listen to the shill, Feds are happy to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per immigrant in free health care.
>>1445182What do you mean? It isn't exclusive to them? You mean there isn't a special Medicaid plan just in California that's exclusively for illegals, some sort of "illegalcaid"?
>>1445183Hey that's not a fair comparison; they never actually said the guy was undocumented. So far all we know they just took a Hispanic US citizen and effectively put him under armed guard for a week to cover up how they broke his fucking leg.
>>1445182Anon, the part being cut is the medicaid for people that do not have legal immigration status.The "big beautiful bill" has a provision explicitly prohibiting Medicaid funding from going to people with unsatisfactory immigration statusI can post a source if you are unable to find that yourself
>>1445184As >>1445183 pointed out, that's california only and unaffected by the senate debate. And yes, the fucking document if you actually read it literally just says "regardless of immigration status", so anyone can get it if they are in need.
>>1445187>that's california only and unaffected by the senate debate.You are literally not American are you?Medi-cal is the implementation of Medicaid in California. This is easily verifiable. It's paid for by federal Medicaid funds with additional state fundingCalifornia does not have a separate Medicaid program. It is known as "medi-cal" in California
>>1445187>>1445183Here you go, you are wrong again lmaohttps://duckduckgo.com/q=does+california+have+a+medicaid+programMedi-cal is Medicaid in California lmao you don't even know what you are arguing about, non-american
>>1445188>shill gets angry over misunderstanding what California is doingevery time
>>1445186>Anon, the part being cut is the medicaid for people that do not have legal immigration status.>The "big beautiful bill" has a provision explicitly prohibiting Medicaid funding from going to people with unsatisfactory immigration statusWhich is a bullshit part of the bill that means nothing. Medicaid goes towards anyone who winds up in the hospital without insurance; the only way to enforce this would be to check for citizenship BEFORE administering treatment. Which hospitals can't do, because they have a legal and ethical responsibility to treat anyone who requests treatment lest they violate their hippocratic oath. It's the same as those measures that are like "illegal immigrants can no longer vote!" when they already can't legally do that; it's extra shit tacked on for culture war points that effectively does nothing in practice.
>>1445190You have no idea what you are talking about if you think California has a Medicaid program that is not medi-cal
>>1445191You're going to have to use a lot of really small words to explain to the shill that 'providing healthcare for non-citizens' is the same as ' providing healthcare for anyone without an ID'Then you're going to have to use a lot of small words to explain that not everyone has their papers when they have a medical emergency, because they're going to have a really hard time understanding that people don't carry ID constantly
>>1445188>>1445189It's California's branch of the medicaid program you retard. Meaning they control what that branch does.
>>1445192>You have no idea what you are talking about if you think California has a Medicaid program that is not medi-calAre you sure? I can post a shitty search engine result that completely BTFO's you
>>1445193>>1445191Huh got btfo on the whole Medicaid/medi-cal thing and had to pivot and switch gears, huh?Let me help you out, non American. Hospitals treat you regardless of medical insurance. There is no "check for citizenship BEFORE administering treatment" as you've stated.Now, after treatment, when a bill comes, the federal government won't help pay for it if the individual isn't a US citizen.Make sense?
>>1445195>>1445194You got btfo claiming that medi-cal is unaffected by the Senate debate, when it is literally the name of the medicaid program in California.Take the L and move on, non American I know that you are angry right now, but take a breather, it's not the end of the world
>>1445193Well I can go the anecdote route and say "If healthcare worked like you think it should/are trying to make it, anyone who got caught in a car crash or any other accident that could result in them being unable to be identified with their ID either destroyed or unavailable would have to, by law, be denied treatment by the hospital because they'd be unable to verify citizenship"
>>1445196>>1445197>BTFO this hard>posting on cooldownlmao, just take the L
>>1445198>anyone who got caught in a car crash or any other accident that could result in them being unable to be identified with their ID either destroyed or unavailable would have to, by law, be denied treatment by the hospital because they'd be unable to verify citizenshipYou are literally not American if you actually think US healthcare works like this
>>1445196>Now, after treatment, when a bill comes, the federal government won't help pay for it if the individual isn't a US citizen.Except the problem is, hospitals don't work that way. They can't afford to risk hits to their own funds every single time they treat someone in case that person isn't a US citizen; they'd be bankrupt in days, especially if it involves someone without ID (such as say, a fucking car crash victim who's ID is currently sitting as a pile of ashes in a burnt out car wreck) because they need to calc that.The irony is, the way you put this would actually result in MORE issues for the hospitals if an illegal used them, as they could just dip and leave the hospital itself holding the bill.
>>1445202Shill doesn't even care about how it would negatively affect tourists or tourism as a whole. Who wants to come to a country where you can die because you got drunk by a pool with no ID?Americans figured out decades ago that paying for this healthcare gap was an investment that payed off, but now MAGA retards need to kill it because a jewish manlet is screaming at them to do it.
>>1445202>Except the problem is, hospitals don't work that way. They can't afford to risk hits to their own funds every single time they treat someone in case that person isn't a US citizenThat's exactly how US hospitals work you non American
>>1445204No they don't anon, that's entirely why medicaid works that way in the fucking first place and this whole debate is a thing period. That's why Dems are fighting to keep those tax credits in place so hospitals aren't strained and insurance rates don't triple.
>>1445206Maybe we are speaking in different terms.A US hospital can not refuse emergency treatment based on insurance status, such as in your car crash example.Do you agree or disagree with this statement?If you claim that's not true, you're going to need to provide proof bub, because you aren't American
>>1445207>A US hospital can not refuse emergency treatment based on insurance status, such as in your car crash example.Yes. Which is why the "no immigrants on medicaid!!!" thing is retarded and ineffectual; the only way it could possibly work would be to do exactly that, which is a no-go for exactly that reason.
>>1445207The shill is being disingenuous. Anyone that has ever gone to an ER has seen how it's packed with Mexicans that don't speak English using it as a walk in clinic for runny noses for their kids. That's why the wait times are astronomical most of the time.
>>1445209>YesNo, you non American retard A US hospital can not deny emergency medical aid to someone https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/medical-malpractice/uninsured-patient-denied-emergency-treatment.htmlFuck off faggot. Educate yourself before you just lie online
>>1445211He's always like this. He's an insufferable faggots and every time he gets btfo he just doubles down on lying despite overwhelming evidence showing he's wrong
>>1445221I'm literally saying that is the case. Learn reading comprehension. The problem is enforcing the law like you say would require it to not be the case.
>>1445221NTA but you're not reading correctly. A hospital cannot refuse emergency medical care to people who can't pay. Medicare picks up at least some of the bill when hospitals give care to people who can't pay. If you kick a group of people out of being covered by medicare that means that the hospital has to eat all of the cost for treating that person. Hospitals could easily go bankrupt in this situation as their profit margins dipped into the negatives during COVID and have struggled to recover.This is like 3rd grade if-then prop logic, anon. It cannot possibly be explained any simpler.
