Day 7 of making a thread every day until Democrats allow the US government to re-openDay 7 Updates:- Why Democrats are casting the government shutdown as a health care showdown https://www.npr.org/2025/10/07/g-s1-92251/government-shutdown-health-insurance-premiums- Why Democrats are casting the government shutdown as a health care showdown https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-news-10-07-25- Government shutdown drags on as health care compromise remains elusive https://apnews.com/article/shutdown-health-care-subsidies-obamacare-congress-10b2ae9648bc5252fc2bd485ddc83493- Live updates: Senate won’t hold votes to end shutdown on Tuesday; Trump says some furloughed workers ‘don’t deserve’ back pay https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5541602-live-updates-trump-carney-shutdown-bondi-health-next-summit/At the heart of the standoff is Democratic Party demands that Republicans agree to an additional $700bn in spending by restoring cuts to healthcare that were enacted over the summer and make permanent the expiring temporary COVID emergency health care credits enacted in 2023 that are due to expire Jan 1, 2026.
>>1445732Why are you blaming Democrats for the Republican shutdown?
>>1445736He’s a foreign shill.
>>1445732"If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one who has to get people together."- Donald J. Trump
>>1445732good. Fuck these fascist cunts with a brass message.
>>1445736They won't let the Senate vote on a spending bill
>>1445751Republicans are in charge. They can do whatever they want.
>>1445752That's odd since they would fund the government if Democrats would let them vote.
>>1445755They can vote any time they want.
>>1445761No, they cannot vote on the bill until there is cloture. Democrats are preventing cloture and it requires an addition 4 Democrats to agree to force cloture and allow a vote in the bill
>>1445788The links in the OP prove you wrong.>No votes tonight: The Senate won’t vote on any government funding bills this evening. That means the shutdown will continue into tomorrow, when another round of votes on proposals to reopen the government are anticipated. Democrats and Republicans continue to be at odds over enhanced Obamacare subsidies.
>>1445790Senate Republicans have repeatedly voted to fund the government. Democrats have repeatedly used the filibuster to prevent the government being funded. It is absurd to argue otherwise.
>>1445732>Confags run everything>"Why won't democrats give us money?"retards
>>1445751>help, help! tyranny of the minority!literally everything that comes out of your faggoty mouth
>>1445795Its not "the tyranny of the minority" it is a factual statement as to what has happened in the Senate. I am amazed how libs will simultaneously tell you that they are shutting down the government over healthcare, while also saying that Republicans have shut down the government.
>>1445796Actually negotiate with the other half of the country you fucking retards. Republicans are too inept to govern in anything other than totality.
>>1445797There is nothing to negotiate. Its a clean budget reconciliation. Republicans aren't asking for anything other than we keep the lights on.
>>1445798They're asking to double insurance premiums for Americans by refusing to renew the tax credits. This is literally a majority popular bipartisan idea, but Republicans are so fucking allergic to the idea of agreeing with dems on anything they'd rather refuse to negotiate on it at all and let the government shut down.
>>1445802They are not asking for that. They are asking that the government be funded. Democrats are asking that Republicans renew temporary credits that Democrats created. Also, only ~22 million people will see their premiums increase. The other 290 million Americans on health insurance wont see any effect.
>>1445798>There is nothing to negotiateshutdown will continue until you stop pretending
>>1445804>only ~22 million people will see their premiums increase>Guys it's just 20 millionYeah good luck selling that. This is a Republican shutdown induced by them being willing to throw millions of their own constituents under a bus while Democrats won't.
>>1445805>shutdown will continue until you stop pretendingThe Democrat shutdown?
>>1445805republicans are losing the info war on it tooguess they shouldn't have bragged about getting concessions during previous shutdowns, kek
>>1445808Yes, the one with the trumpfags running everything, that 'democratic' shutdown.Jesus Christ, you people are dumb.
>>1445807>give us what we want, we give you nothing in return and we're shutting down the government until we get it >btw you shut down the governmentOkay then. And yes, I (part of the 290 million) don't want to pay a trillion dollars for someone else's health insurance.
>>1445811You said the shutdown will continue until Republicans will give Democrats what they want, didn't you? >>1445810Literally do not care.
>>1445812you don't want to contribute to our society? Then get the fuck out of my country.
>>1445796>If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one who has to get people together.">Donald J. TrumpTrump disagrees with you. He said multiple times during Obama's presidency that shutdowns are the president's fault. Cope.
>>1445812Welcome to government retard. You can't cater exclusively to your side and then expect the other side to do nothing. Government shutdown when you hold all fucking cards just means you're too retarded to use any of them.
>>1445814>you don't want to contribute to our society?I do contribute to society, that's why I am part of the 290 million that doesn't need the government to pay for my health insurance. >Then get the fuck out of my country.You lost.
>>1445816That's fine. We're doing mass expulsions though. Good luck stopping them, faggot.
>>1445817>You can't cater exclusively to your side and then expect the other side to do nothingA clean CR caters to neither side. Thats the purpose of a clean CR.
>>1445817You have to stop arguing with conservatives as if they give any fucks about governance or operating a functioning country. If it hurts the libs they like it. That's their only litmus test for government policy. It really bothers me to see these threads unfold talking about effective policy and government efficiency when absolutely nothing about the conservative platform has anything to do with either of those concepts. You give them too much credit by allowing them to keep selling this meme that they give a shit about the country.
>>1445818>I do contribute to society, that's why I am part of the 290 million that doesn't need the government to pay for my health insurance.Read out loud what you said, faggot. The government does pay for your health insurance whether you know it or now. Now get the fuck out of here, traitor.
>>1445819>Says a thing>Gets proven wrong by Trump's own hypocritical words>"Uhh, well, um, fuck Mexicans though"Excellent retort, anon.
>>1445821>It's not catering to either side!>We just refused to do anything about this issue that affects both of themRenewing the credits are a mainstream bipartisan opinion; it has over 70% approval. Republicans are just too inept to say 'Oh that's a good idea' and Democrats are actually trying to represent their voters.
>>1445823>You have to stop arguing with conservatives as if they give any fucks about governance or operating a functioning countryYour party literally just shut down the government. >If it hurts the libs they like it.Republicans have been running on defunding the ACA for 15 years. Its core party policy.
>>1445824>The government does pay for your health insurance whether you know it or now.The government literally does not pay for my health insurance. This applies to me and about 290 million other Americans. Dont lecture me about giving to America when you're a fucking welfare leech.
>>1445827>Republicans have been running on defunding the ACA for 15 years. Its core party policy.Yeah and with 0 replacement. You're literally self reporting that all conservatives care about is hurting the libs (and everyone else)
>>1445824>The government does pay for your health insurance whether you know it or nowNta but my health insurance is fully funded by myself and my employer. The only thing the government I guess is involved in at all on that front is the fact that health insurance is a non-taxable expense
>>1445829>>1445829>The government literally does not pay for my health insurance. This applies to me and about 290 million other Americans.They absolutely do, you dumb hick fuck. They subsidize so much behind the scenes you pay a fraction of what you should because everyone in this society shares the burden. You don't like it? Leave and fuck off.
>>1445826>it has over 70% approvalSure it does. >'Oh that's a good idea'Borrowing money to put a Band-Aid on a broken system is not a good idea. Premiums are exploding because of the ACA. Taxing 290 million Americans (and borrowing the rest) to the tune of almost a trillion dollars to pay for the health insurance of 6% of the population is not a good idea.
>>1445832Yeah anon I don't know how to break this to you, but the government subsidizes your insurance. They're the reason behind the current rate you pay.
>>1445834>They subsidize so much behind the scenes you pay a fraction of what you should because everyone in this society shares the burdenYou're not American or you're a child. The government does not pay for my health insurance, or subsidize it. Its completely and totally private. This is how about 94% of Americans get their health insurance.
>>1445836>be lib >have literally no idea how health insurance worksMany such cases.
>>1445836>the government subsidizes your insuranceCan you give me any proof of this
>>1445835>Sure it does.Yep.>https://www.kff.org/public-opinion/despite-budget-concerns-three-quarters-of-public-say-congress-should-extend-the-enhanced-aca-tax-credits-set-to-expire-next-year-including-most-republicans-and-maga-supporters/>https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/most-americans-back-extending-aca-tax-credits-kff-poll-shows-2025-10-03/>https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2025/10/03/nearly-80-of-americans-and-most-maga-republicans-want-aca-tax-credits/Also, you're literally saying "The system is broken. We should instead make it so there's no system and health insurance rates, likely including my own even if I don't use obamacare due to the knock on effects to the rest of the industry, spike"
>>1445832>b-but welfare leeches>>1445832While you were regurgitating Rush Limbaugh's talking points like it's 1995 all over again, democrats were looking out for the poorest Americans by ensuring they have access to healthcare, which is a basic human right.
>>1445837Holy shit you can't be this fucking stupid, can you? Next you think you're paying the full retail price for gas at the station. Talk about a childish understanding of the world.
>>1445837>The government does not pay for my health insurance, or subsidize it. Its completely and totally private. This is how about 94% of Americans get their health insuranceThis is my belief and I feel like we're being told this by somebody who either isn't American or has never had Private health insurance. That being said, I'm at least giving him the opportunity to provide some sort of evidence that the government is subsidizing my fully private health care. Idk maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so
>>1445838>>1445839>https://www.pgpf.org/article/how-does-the-federal-government-subsidize-healthcare-under-the-aca-and-what-does-it-cost/
>>1445845Second paragraph of your source >The federal government subsidizes health insurance for over 150 million Americans through various programs and tax benefits.About 320 million Americans have health insurance. 320-150=???? >>1445840>muh polls Dont care. Its bad policy.
>waaaaah>dems shutdown the government>they forced republicans to only fund the government through september using their one reconciliation vote>republicans should get to blame dems for their own shutdown, its not faaaaair>why aren't people dumberthat they can delay releasing the Epstein files is just a bonus
>>1445845Lol my healthcare is not through the ACA or Medicare lmaoHave you never had private insurance before? Have you literally only been on public insurance your whole life?
>>1445848Ahh you get btfo on your false claim that Obamacare pays for private insurance plans, and you turn to your think tank talking points Par for the course
>>1445852>cmon, haven't you paid the leeches? >its great, I love paying useless middlemenbet you got called a pussy a lot growing up
>>1445849Are you paying all your medical bills in cash? If not, the government has a role in your insurance no matter how 'private' you think it is.You think that private insurance groups don't negotiate with the government? That's how there are subsidies with certain procedures over others. You assume your 'private' insurance exists in a vacuum from the government and it doesn't. There's exchanges of funds all the time and that's how the government controls/regulates your insurance and subsidizes them.
>>1445855Look just because you've been on public assistance, your whole life doesn't mean you need to get angry when people tell you there's other options. You should educate yourself instead of being just angry all the time, I'll even help you out anon, no need to be angryEmployer health insurance is privately funded. When you get health insurance through your job:Your employer negotiates and pays part of the insurance premium and you pay the rest through payroll deductions.The insurance company is a private entity (Aetna, Blue Cross, etc.).The government does not send money to your employer or insurer to cover those premiums — the money comes from the company and its employees.
>>1445856>government has a role in your insurance no matter how 'private'But you can't seem to show this. You showed the government has a role in ACA public marketplaces and Medicare, which is absolutely true, those are publicly subsidized programs. Just show me any piece of evidence that says private insurance companies or private plans are subsidized by federal health care. If it's true, this shouldn't be too hard for you to produce evidence of
>btfo this hardlmao
>>1445824Don't go around calling everyone who disagrees with you a terrorist, chucklefuck.This a representative democratic republic, and we respect the democratic process via our representatives. It has been since its founding. if you don't like it, leave for Russia.
>>1445858https://vsac.nlm.nih.gov/context/cs/codesystem/CPT/version/2021/code/44391/infoIf you have 'private' insurance for a colonoscopy, you're paying these rates set between the government and you. The only time you're not paying for any subsidized healthcare is when you walk up to the hospital and pay your bill in cash, and it would be those extremely high costs you see on TV. There. Now shut the fuck up you traitorous piece of shit and get out if you don't want to pay your fair share.
>>1445867Bro... Those are billing codes. You aren't proving evidence of anything except the facts that you have no idea what you are talking about. Those are codes that translate procedures into numbers so they can be identified uniformly across disparate systems.For fucks sake anon, what is wrong with you
>>1445867>There. Now shut the fuck up you traitorous piece of shit and get out if you don't want to pay your fair shareI'm sorry but your "evidence" is so far from being anything that you claim it is, I'm posting twice. Do you have a learning disability or something? I ask again. A source that states federal funding gets paid to private health insurance plans, not a database of medical codes you fucking retardAll you've done is proven that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
>>1445868Jesus dude, what do you think those codes are based on? Why do you think 'private' insurance pays set rates based on these codes. It's negotiated/subsidized pricing between the insurance you pay for and the government. That's what the large adjustments/discount is on your hospital bill. You don't get that paying in cash. Fucking retard.
>>1445867Let me help you out so you can educate yourself https://www.devry.edu/blog/understanding-medical-codes-and-coding-classification-systems.htmlCome back to me when you have a source that federal funding pays for private health insurance policies lmao, because a database of CPT codes is not that at all lmao
>>1445876You're not familiar with ACA subsidies?Interesting.
>>1445874>It's negotiated/subsidized pricing between the insurance you pay for and the government.Then provide a source saying that you fucking retard, not a database letting me search for CPT codes.You are fucking retarded, simple task, go to Google and search: "does federal funding subsidize private health insurance plans" and try to find an instance of (here's the key!) federal funding being used to subsidize private plans (read: not public plans offered by private insurers as part of ACA)Listing a database of CPT codes really makes me think you've already done this and have exhausted your effort and have come back with nothing and you're just trying to beat around the bush
>>1445877>You're not familiar with ACA subsidiesYes.. they subsidize public plans which are sometimes offered by private insurers. Tried to stay on topic, we are talking about private insurance policies, which are also offered by private insurersAre you not an American or something? Is this whole concept completely alien to you? Is it your first time dealing with it?
>>1445876Devry? Wow pick a more defunct university. What the fuck do you think uses those codes? Why are they set rates? Why does insurance companies negotiate prices on procedures that individuals don't get. They. Subsidize. Your. Healthcare.I could explain it monosyllabically to you if that would help you understand it easier.
>>1445880Aw, it's retarded. Where's your source on that?
>>1445882>Why are they set rates?Really? They do? Who's "they"? You showed a database of CPT identifiers. There's no prices on that page you monkey.Oh wait, you must be mistaking the number 44931 in your link to be a price lmao!!>What the fuck do you think uses those codesThose codes are to uniformly track specific procedures across disparate systems used in the medical field. It's how computers are able to track this information without a unique procedure for every patient. They enumerated procedures and map them to numbers. They're used by a lot more than just insurance companies
>>1445883>Where's your source on that?Lmao, literally everything you cited (except you trying to claim the CPT code numbers were "prices set by the government" lmao you're dumb as fuck)ACA according to your own first source subsidizes public policies which are administered by private insurers, exactly what I've been saying the entire. Care to try again? Any source that says federal funding subsidizes private insurance plans, because you've really made yourself look retarded this entire time lmae
>>1445880The only public insurance that exists in the US is Medicare Part A and Part B and if you knew the terms and the coverages you'd understand why Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage exist.Even Medicaid is administered by private companies.If you're trying to make a distinction between employer provided plans and non-employer provided, you're doing it wrong as it's all private insurance, outside of the previously mentioned Medicare Part A and Part B. Well, TriCare, VA, and VA for Life also exist, but those are outliers.
>>144586744391 is not the government mandated price of a colonoscopy you retard. It's the identification code for that procedure
>>1445886>Lmao, literally everything you cited (except you trying to claim the CPT code numbers were "prices set by the government" lmao you're dumb as fuck)>ACA according to your own first source subsidizes public policies which are administered by private insurers, exactly what I've been saying the entire.>Care to try again? NTA, faggot>Any source that says federal funding subsidizes private insurance plans, because you've really made yourself look retarded this entire time lmaehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act#ExchangesExchangesMain article: Health insurance marketplaceACA mandated that health insurance exchanges be provided for each state. The exchanges are regulated, largely online marketplaces, administered by either federal or state governments, where individuals, families and small businesses can purchase private insurance plans.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act#Premium_subsidiesPremium subsidiesIndividuals whose household incomes are between 100% and 400% of the federal poverty level (FPL) are eligible to receive federal subsidies for premiums for policies purchased on an ACA exchange
>>1445887Observe the distinctions. I've been making this entire time throughout this thread between an insurance provider, and an insurance plan. I'm not sure you're picking up on the difference.>public insurance that exists in the US is MedicarePublic insurance *provider*, yes>Even Medicaid is administered by private companiesYes, exactly what I referenced when I said "public insurance policies provided by private insurers">If you're trying to make a distinction between employer provided plans and non-employer provided, you're doing it wrong as it's all private insuranceNo, the providers may be private, but there is absolutely a distinction between public and private policies. That's the distinction I'm making that I'm not sure you realize the difference.Private insurance *policies* are not subsidized by the government whatsoever (other than the fact that you don't pay taxes on them). Meanwhile, public insurance *policies* are always subsidized by the government, and generally are provided by private insurers but may not be in the case of for example MedicaidThis is what I've been saying repeatedly
>>1445884Wow, your stupidity is exhausting. The 'they' is your 'private' insurance and the government setting a negotiated price for set procedures using that coding system. Does everyone get to pay that price? No? You mean your insurance gets subsidies (gasp) from the government to perform that coded procedure based on the set parameters noted in that procedure that a person paying cash would never get (even if he bundled his money under their own 'private' insurance)?Just get the fuck out of here you un-American selfish prick. We don't need you. Get. Bent.
>>1445892>No, the providers may be private, but there is absolutely a distinction between public and private policies. That's the distinction I'm making that I'm not sure you realize the difference.But there isn't. The insurance policies offered on the Market Place are standard Individual policies. I'm not sure what makes you think they're public.
>>1445891Would you agree that someone who has an insurance policy that is not through the ACA or any other Federal program Is not having their plan being subsidized by the federal government? I'm referencing employer provided insurance plans that are negotiated directly with the health insurance company, as they do with any large employer
>>1445893Lol you claimed 44931 was the government mandated cost of a colonoscopy because you thought a medical code was a cost. I have nothing further to say to you lmao
>>1445894>I'm not sure what makes you think they're public.They're subsidized by the ACA. That's why they're sold on the ACA platform. Private employer policies not part of the ACA are not subsidized by the ACA because they've been negotiated directly with the insurance provider by the employer
>>1445896You thought that was the cost? I never claimed it was.Are you a child?
>>1445895Why wouldn't they be? Are there different companies who offer Group plans vs. Individual?The companies themselves are government subsidized via various means and there's only about 5 of them.Also SHOP exists, but I won't hold you accountable for outliers.
>>1445897There's the problem. Stop describing plans offered through an employer as "private" the correct term is "group".and "group" includes many private plans such as employer, medicare, medicaid.Whereas individual is what's offered and subsidized on the ACA market place.
I am sorry but stupidity is a pre-existing condition.
>>1445797You don't negotiate with the losers making demands from a position of weakness, Anon. They need to be more capitulatory and stop pretending like the fucking browns deserve anything other than the rope. Only Americans belong in America, no exceptions. No healthcare for migrants, no citizenship for migrants.
>>1445965>No healthcare for migrants, no citizenship for migrants.We're literally founded by migrants and are not the center of the universe lmao. Have fun trying to compete with Asia in the tech market when we're years behind their computer chips and there's no incentive for them to move or train any operations over here.
Yay no mo terrible laws
>>1445808both are very responsible because both act like little toddlers
>>1445965>existingAmerica was founded by migrants retard
>>1445898>98â–¶>>>1445896prob is a child
>>1445896nothing further to say to you???y does bro sound like a karen.
>>1445838>casesALL the big corporations are sub'd nowadays.
>>1445981He is a Karen
>>1445819You honestly have nothing behind this gaslighting, huh? You want to pretend you're smart, so at least work on your rhetoric.
>>1445804>only ~22 million peopleThat is not a small number. Don't you "only 22 million" that into a small numbers. That's 22 million people who can't go to the doctor. A fucking monster would doom those people.
>>1445834Bro. He's very obviously not American. Why do you keep feeding?
>>1445837You outed yourself. There is not a single American who's a fan of the current privatization of healthcare and would never ever defend it. Concede.
>>1445732>"If there is a shutdown I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one who has to get people together.">Donald J. TrumpJust a daily reminder that Trump believes that shutdowns are the president's fault.
>>1446029He doesn't even need to bring people together. Any time they damn well please the Republicans can carve out an exception to the filibuster and pass the budget on a party-line vote. This is just a damn smokescreen to distract from the Epstein shit.
>>1446031Agreed. I'm posting from war-torn Portland btw. I went down to the Alberta neighborhood this morning and not only was there no parking but the coffee place next to my work was out of croissants. Trump plz save us.
>>1446031The second they use the nuclear option, they lose.Liberals will use it after the midterm sweep (yes, cunts, its already happening with the special elections) and bury you fuckers into the ground while you bitch to your tv/nursing staff.
>>1446031It's also to prevent the BLS from releasing September's dismal economic numbersIf they can drag out the shutdown for a month, they'll be able to release the September and October numbers simultaneouslyIf they do that, the October numbers will likely make the September numbers look better in comparison, and they can blame Democrats and the shutdown for the undeniable economic downturn, even though numbers going back to July show the economy circling the drain
>>1446048Great idea except all us consumers are noticing the increasing prices and all the businesses are noticing the slowdown in spending. Can't really hide that stuff when we're living it.
