17th daily thread covering The 2025 Democrat Shutdown of the US GovernmentDay 17 Updates:- CNBC: Democrats claim that they refuse to negotiate with Republicans because they don't like Trump: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/17/government-shutdown-trump-gang-democrats.html- Democrats reject bill once again: https://halifax.citynews.ca/video/2025/10/17/u-s-government-shutdown-continues-into-another-week-as-democrats-reject-bill-once-again/- The 2025 Democrat Shutdown becomes the third longest US federal shutdown in history: https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-2025-latest-senate-day-17/- ICE will still be paid: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-federal-law-enforcement-receive-pay-during-government-shutdown-2025-10-16/The issue is caused by Democrats being angry that when they wanted emergency corporate subsidies to health companies they set them to expire in 2026, but now that it is nearly 2026, they are angry that the corporate subsidies are expiring.
>>1448773>Democrats claim that they refuse to negotiate with Republicans because they don't like TrumpLol at least they are finally manning up the the fact that why they are actually shutting down the government.TDS is a hell of a disease.
The Republicans created this situation when they used the nuclear option to pass the One Big Beautiful Bill, which created the CR at the center of the current shutdown, with a simple majority of 51, meaning not even all Republican Senators voted in favor of it. They did this knowing it would lead to an eventual deadline where they would either need Democrat votes or to use the nuclear option to avoid a shutdown.Republicans are refusing to use the nuclear option which would allow them to end the shutdown right now.Republicans are refusing to make any concessions at all to Democrats to entice them to vote for the CR the Republicans are forcing through.The Republican Speaker of the House is refusing to call the House into session until the shutdown ends, meaning even if Senate Republicans wanted to make concessions, they can't because they would need to be sent to the House for approval before they could be ratified.Everything I've posted here is objectively true, and the only responses to this will either be personal attacks, deflection, or whataboutism.
>>1448773Why do you people just lie about what the articles you post say? Are you assuming people just won’t check?
>>1448782If right wingers were capable of telling the truth, they wouldn't be right wingers
>>1448780lmao in reality, they're desperately trying to keep a senile Trump away from Democrats, because Trump would easily agree with helping out Americans with health insurance and yearns to be the dealbreaker.
>>1448782I'm not sure exactly what you're referencing, but the first article does actually say Democrats don't want to negotiate because they're afraid of trump . Maybe if your eyeballs didn't explode you could actually read Democrats’ distrust of Trump keeps them from forming ‘gang’ to negotiate government shutdownPublished Fri, Oct 17 202511:07 AM EDTUpdated Fri, Oct 17 20252:26 PM EDTthumbnailEmily Wilkins@emrwilkinsWATCH LIVEKey PointsDemocrats say their lack of trust in President Donald Trump is a major obstacle to negotiations in the ongoing government shutdown
>>1448782Actually, now that I've clicked through the articles, they are all spot on. They don't want to negotiate because they don't like Trump, another bill failed to pass because Democrats didn't vote for it, This is the third longest shutdown in history, And it seems ice will still get paid What exactly do you think is made up here
>>1448812>They don't want to negotiate because they don't like TrumpI'm sorry, who said "Go fuck yourself" and then refused to go to a negotiation meeting right before the shutdown? Cause it wasn't Dems.
>>1448815>I'm sorry, who said "Go fuck yourself" and then refused to go to a negotiation meeting right before the shutdownThe democrats
>>1448815Yeah that was actually democrats. They unironically said the shutdown was a good thing, too.
>>1448815Oh wait, Schumer?
the shills are sure working double time these days
>>1448811>>1448812The first article says the dems won’t negotiate with Trump because they don’t trust him. Which is fair, because he lies and goes back on his word constantly.This is not the same as “well they just don’t like him.”Stop fucking lying.>>1448820They have to.
>>1448824>The first article says the dems won’t negotiate with Trump because they don’t trust him. Which is fair, because he lies and goes back on his word constantly.>This is not the same as “well they just don’t like him.Mental gymnastics much?
>>1448781At this point, the nuclear option should just be the standard because neither pay will not with the other now. This started because Democrats wouldn't confirm Trump's appointments sux months into his term
>>1448833>At this point, the nuclear option should just be the standardIn all seriousness though, we can't let Trump get a hold of the nuclear codes
>>1448832NTA but having legitimate reasons to not make deals because the other side has demonstrated they will refuse to honor them is not the same as "they don't like him". And the real irony is they were still willing to negotiate with Trump to avert shutdown until Trump literally told them to go fuck themselves and canceled the meeting.
>>1448838The Democrats literally drafted the legislation themselves that stipulated these corporate subsidies would expire in 2026. And then a budget was agreed upon 3 months ago where these subsidies were expected to terminate in 2026.Why are they choosing to shut down the government over this?
>>1448839i guess they should just unilaterally draft bills after trump and his cronies are put away for their crimes
>>1448833>Democrats wouldn't confirm Trump's appointments sux months into his termrepublicans have certaibly never intentionally refused to comfirm a president's appointments before...
>>1448839Yeah and it turns out if that happens healthcare costs for millions of americans double overnight. Which is bad; I don't know why Republicans are so desperate to cause this to happen when their own voters are part of who will be affected.
>>1448843>healthcare costs for millions of americans double overnightThey go back to pre-covid. The emergency corporate subsidies enacted because of covid are stopping. This isn't some new expense nobody's ever had, it's literally what everyone was paying before emergency covid funding
>tfw being maga and listening to Fetterman actually be the voice of reason for the democratic party>tfw watching them cast him outI hope he runs for the presidency in 2028. He seems like the last sane democrat in the world.
>>1448845It should tell you something that that's just straight up unaffordable for millions.
>>1448847is that just the propaganda you're being told to repeat? It worked fine in 2019
>>1448852what happened after 2019 shill anon?
>>1448845You forgot about how the OBBBA already made cuts to healthcare this year. (Which couldn't be filibustered because of reconciliation.) That's what they call a double whammy.
>>1448854A global pandemic, which is why these temporary emergency subsidies were enacted. It's been 6 years since then. There is no more global pandemic, willfully ignorant shill-kun, or are you still masking up and staying home all day?
