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Fresh off of a humiliating collapse of his much touted ceasefire in Gaza and in the third week of a government shutdown caused by his inability to negotiate with Senate Democrats, Donald Trump, self described master negotiator, can now add the implosion of talks with Russia to end the Ukraine war he had hyped last week to his list of recent diplomatic failures.
Were these not matters of national and international stability with millions of lives on the line, one could be excused for feeling a knee jerk desire to laugh at the embarrassing display of chronic incompetence presented by Donald Trump on a daily basis

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/21/trump-putin-summit-uncertain-00616500

President Donald Trump’s second summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin is off.

The White House said Tuesday that the planned meeting in Budapest, announced by Trump just last week after his two-hour phone call with Putin, was no longer in the works after Secretary of State Marco Rubio spoke Monday with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

“Secretary Rubio and Foreign Minister Lavrov had a productive call,” said a White House official granted anonymity to discuss the plans. “Therefore, an additional in-person meeting between the Secretary and Foreign Minister is not necessary, and there are no plans for President Trump to meet with President Putin in the immediate future.”

The rapid dissolution of plans for another summit between Trump and Putin just two months after they met in Alaska stemmed again from Russia’s refusal to budge from its maximalist positions on what it would take for it to halt its war in Ukraine.

In a press conference in Moscow Tuesday, Lavrov said he informed Rubio that Russia’s position — that a peace agreement must come before a ceasefire in its war with Ukraine — has not changed. And he said he was surprised by a CNN report about disagreement during the call over Russia’s “maximalist” demands.
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“I believe American officials have concluded that Russia’s position has remained largely unchanged over time and remains within the bounds of its initial ‘maximalist’ demands,” Lavrov said. “Russia has not altered its positions compared to understandings and prolonged negotiations between Putin and Trump in Alaska.”

Russia has long called for the elimination of the “root causes” of the war in Ukraine, claiming that its growing alignment with Europe and desire to join NATO amount to an existential threat. Putin has questioned the legitimacy of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and urged new elections in Ukraine, called for the end of the so-called persecution of Russian speakers and demanded that Ukraine doesn’t join NATO. He frequently peppers his speeches on Ukraine with unsubstantiated claims that the country is filled with “Nazis.”

“We remain entirely committed to this formula and I confirmed it yesterday in the conversation with Marco Rubio,” Lavrov said.

Lavrov also questioned how Putin would fly to Budapest, given Poland’s threat to execute the International Criminal Court’s active arrest warrant if Putin flies inside its airspace.

Trump walked away from the Alaska meeting without any concessions from the Russian leader, and his claim that Putin wanted to make peace was belied by Russia’s refusal to engage in direct talks with Ukraine and its ongoing aerial assault on Ukrainian cities.

After a phone call with Putin Thursday, Trump announced again that the two leaders made “great progress” and that they planned to meet in Budapest. A day later, Trump hosted Zelenskyy at the White House but refused to grant his request for U.S.-made Tomahawk missiles to strike deeper into Russia, instead pushing Ukraine to cede more territory for a peace settlement largely on Putin’s terms.
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Lavrov told reporters Tuesday that Russia rejected the “signals coming out of Washington” about a desire to end the war along the current battle lines, which Trump has advocated in recent days.

“The main thing is not the location or the timeframe, but the main thing is how we will proceed on the substance of those matters,” Lavrov said. “The objectives that we agreed upon and reached a broad understanding in Anchorage.”

The president’s diplomatic breakthrough in the Middle East earlier this month bolstered his own confidence in his peacemaking capabilities and, he and aides had hoped, could generate newfound momentum in negotiations to end the war between Russia and Ukraine. But the Gaza peace agreement is being tested as new violence has broken out between Israel and Hamas. And Putin continues to make clear that, despite a willingness to engage with the White House, Russia is not interested in ending the war.

Trump, who worked closely with Arab and Muslim partners to reach a ceasefire in the Middle East, had been somewhat willing to coordinate his peacemaking efforts in Ukraine with European partners. But many were caught off-guard by his announcement last week that he and Putin had agreed to meet again.

One EU official, granted anonymity to speak candidly, called it a reminder of the “last person he speaks to” theory of Trump, who has at times aligned publicly with the last person he’s spoken to. But the lack of any public criticism of Trump’s proposed summit from most European leaders also showed a better understanding of how to deal with the president.

“I would expect visits to Washington [by European leaders] and other coordination to happen very soon,” the EU official said.

Some European officials were also frustrated by Trump’s chosen location of Budapest for the meeting — not just because of its tragic symbolism for Ukraine but because Hungary is a member of the EU.
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European leaders, in a joint statement with Zelenskyy, said they “strongly support President Trump’s position that the fighting should stop immediately, and that the current line of contact should be the starting point of negotiation.” But they underlined a core principle that Trump has largely cast aside, adding that “international borders must not be changed by force.”

Zelenskyy, in a statement Tuesday, said that he and Trump had agreed at the White House last week on trying “to organize a dialogue, on the current contact line … The current line can be the beginning of diplomacy. Instead, Russia is again doing everything to jump off diplomacy.”

Zelenskyy also attributed Russia’s unwillingness to negotiate to the prospect of the U.S. providing Ukraine with Tomahawk missiles dimming following his White House meeting Friday. And he took the opportunity to suggest that Trump granting his request — the missiles are still on the table, despite the president’s outward reluctance to escalate the conflict or impact U.S. stockpiles — could finally push Russia into peace talks.

“As soon as the issue of long-range [missiles] for us — for Ukraine — became a little further, then almost automatically Russia became less interested in diplomacy,” Zelenskyy continued. “This is a signal that this very issue — the issue of long-range — provides, perhaps, an indispensable key to peace. The more Ukrainian long-range missiles the greater the Russian readiness is to end the war.”
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A selection of quotes from Donald Trump claiming in no uncertain terms that he would easily negotiate the end of the Ukraine war in less than 24 hours thanks to a secret plan he had that he can't tell anyone but it's totally real

>MARCH 2023: “There’s a very easy negotiation to take place. But I don’t want to tell you what it is because then I can’t use that negotiation; it’ll never work,” Trump told Fox News Channel host Sean Hannity, claiming that he could “solve” the war “in 24 hours” if he were back in the White House.

>“But it’s a very easy negotiation to take place. I will have it solved within one day, a peace between them,” Trump said of the war, which at that point had been ongoing for more than a year since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

>MAY 2023: “They’re dying, Russians and Ukrainians. I want them to stop dying. And I’ll have that done — I’ll have that done in 24 hours,” Trump said during a town hall on CNN.

>AUGUST 2024: “Before I even arrive at the Oval Office, shortly after I win the presidency, I will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled,” Trump told a National Guard Conference. “I’ll get it settled very fast. I don’t want you guys going over there. I don’t want you going over there.”
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>>1450238
$4 to argen y n?
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>>1450238
>“Secretary Rubio and Foreign Minister Lavrov had a productive call,” said a White House official granted anonymity to discuss the plans. “Therefore, an additional in-person meeting between the Secretary and Foreign Minister is not necessary, and there are no plans for President Trump to meet with President Putin in the immediate future.”
That's the best spin they can put on it.
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Hope Magats are ready for the draft.
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>>1450309
No one is dying for jewkraine besides more gaykrainians.
>>1450274
Remember all those Biden negotiations with Putin?
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>>1450312
Patriots aren't draft dodgers, are they?
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>>1450312
>b-b-but Biden
He's not in the article.
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Bunch of false promises coming because they'll expect none to return in the first 3 zerg waves. Sign up, boys. Boot up, man up, shoot up. Do it for your king, he commands it.
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>>1450245
>AUGUST 2024: “Before I even arrive at the Oval Office, shortly after I win the presidency, I will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled,” Trump told a National Guard Conference. “I’ll get it settled very fast. I don’t want you guys going over there. I don’t want you going over there.”
Why are we even discussing this? He said he would take care of it before he even got back in office, it's already over right?
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>>1450320
Even your deaths will serve the corporate mafia, records profits this year for those in the incrowd. Gonna be lots of deer by the swamp edge the next couple years.
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>>1450319
>Expecting Trump to fund Biden's fake war
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>>1450321
He was trying, but the only way to stop the war is to put Zelensky in prison and threaten NATO to stop funding the war.
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>>1450327
why do you love proving that you're not american this much
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>>1450327
Nice Putin talking point
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>>1450328
>He was trying
>Trump
He's very trying
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>>1450328
So... why didn't he do that?
Or did he not realize that was the only way to stop it when he vowed, repeatedly, to end it in 24 hours?
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>>1450328
>The only way to stop the war is to win it for Russia, who will never threaten another country for land ever, promise.
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>>1450328
>An immediate cease-fire in Ukraine would mean only one thing - most of Ukraine remains under Nazi rule, Lavrov said.
t.me/rian_ru/323179
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>>1450328
>The idea of "stopping immediately" in the context of the conflict in Ukraine means forgetting about the root causes.
t.me/rian_ru/323181
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>>1450238
>Fresh off of a humiliating collapse of his much touted ceasefire in Gaza and in the third week of a government shutdown caused by his inability to negotiate with Senate Democrats, Donald Trump, self described master negotiator, can now add the implosion of talks with Russia to end the Ukraine war he had hyped last week to his list of recent diplomatic failures.
>Were these not matters of national and international stability with millions of lives on the line, one could be excused for feeling a knee jerk desire to laugh at the embarrassing display of chronic incompetence presented by Donald Trump on a daily basis
Where does the article say this?
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>>1450383
It's right next to the rule banning editorialized introductions clearly separated from the article from this board
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American blood is required to water the tree of corporate profits. You will be drafted as sacrifices, you won't be expected to return, you will die and rot in a foreign land. (You) are suckers and losers.



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