>>1450758
There is already a thread about this. >>1450740

esl shill spams yet another shit post. can he go one post without a typo? find out on the next shill faggot z

>>1450758
>The White House has tried to blunt the shutdown's impacts on Americans. But that may not last much longer.
>Senate Democrats again block GOP-backed funding bill
Man, even politico and CNN gave up trying to cover for Democrats on this one lol

>>1450765
will you ever stop talking to yourself

>>1450767
Are you going to grandstand for 22 hours spewing your schizophrenic BS like your buddies in the Senate?

>>1450772
thanks for admitting you have no knowledge of US history, esl shill. democrats wanted to end the power to filibuster 70 years ago but republicans never agreed

>>1450759
The difference is your thread is pro-democrat, while this one is pro-Republican. We're segregating.

>>1450758
i'm seeing karens on tiktok threatening to rob stores because their 1k a month in Snap foodstamps benefits aren't coming in and how YOU owe it to them to give them your tax dollars to feed their unemployed 6-10 baby single mom family.

>>1450759
i'd rather not use the thread made by the democrat schizo tyvm

>>1450777
you prefer to be a spamming faggot, we are all very aware

>>1450778
I don't want to share a country with you why do you think i'd want human filth like u in the thread

>>1450779
Good post.

>>1450758
>"In my opinion, I hear the Democrats are gonna be blamed, I hear Republicans are gonna be blamed, I actually think the president would be blamed," he said. "If there is a shutdown ... I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together."

>Donald J. Trump

Daily reminder that Trump blames himself for the shutdown.

>>1450781
as he should and to prevent any future shutdowns he should start prosecuting domestic traitors

>>1450782
if he prosecutes himself he'll still be immune though

>>1450777
Checked!

>>1450774
>democrats wanted to end the power to filibuster 70 years ago but republicans never agreed
So now you're trying to gaslight this dead board into believing over the past 70 years that not once has the Democrat party ever had sufficient power in the Senate to remove this thing that you claim has been on their todo list since the the end of world war 2?

Bull. Shit. You know it. I know it. That's bullshit

>>1450789
do your own homework esl shill. take responsibility for your ignorance instead of hurling insults

>>1450791
Democrats had the votes to end the EC under Biden.

>>1450793
Shh, he doesn't like facts, they tend to make him act unhinged

esl shill is talking to himself again

>>1450774
NTA, on a related note:
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5567428-fetterman-democrats-filibuster-government-shutdown/

>>1450796
why would i give that joke of a publication money

>>1450797
Here, I'll spoonfeed you:

Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) said he thinks it’s “hypocritical” for Democrats to defend the filibuster after campaigning on carving out exceptions to the Senate’s 60-vote threshold to pass legislation.

“I think it would be rather hypocritical for us as a party now to suddenly love the filibuster,” Fetterman told Cory Smith and Hillary Howard on “Sunrise on the Hill” on Wednesday.

“In that cycle that I ran, all of us ran on getting rid of the filibuster to enact exactly parts of our agenda. And now we can’t pretend that we love it or pretend we just were in a much different situation just a couple years ago,” he continued.

Fetterman told reporters Tuesday that he would support Republicans using the so-called nuclear option to override the Senate filibuster to pass a bill to reopen the government.

The nuclear option would let Senate Republicans pass a House-passed funding measure with a simple majority vote, rather than the 60-vote threshold generally needed to get legislation in the upper chamber to the president’s desk.

>>1450799
i already know fetterman is a turncoat, this isn't news. his irrelevant opinion also has nothing to do with the fact that republicans aren't going to use the nuclear option anyways

>>1450796
He's right. Democrats are literally shutting down the government by abusing the filibuster

>>1450802
>Senator from swing-state
>irrelevant
lol. lmao even.

>>1450758
Republicans control every part of the government yet blame Dems for it because Mike Johnson won't swear in a congresswoman, who just happens to be a tie-breaking vote for releasing the Epstein files.

Republicans right now have shut down the government to protect pedophilia. Period.

>>1450808
All Dems would have to do is pass the budget for that to happen. So, in essence, you might be retarded.

>>1450810
all republicans would have to do is use the nuclear option, but then their orange god would be officially exposed as a pedophile

>>1450802
Why do radicals always think moderates are "turncoats"? They are just normal people with common sense who haven't been completely radicalized online like you have

>>1450811
So you're telling me the motivation is to keep the Epstein files hidden, and to do so Republicans have somehow made Democrats not vote on the budget.
Woooaawwaaahhhhh!!!

>>1450813
Fetterman isn't a moderate. He literally got brain damage and began shifting towards conservatism.

>>1450813
>>1450817
siding with pedophiles isn't being a moderate. and refusing to use a legitimate avenue to continue your agenda is weird (unless your real agenda is to not be exposed as pedophiles)

>>1450810
Bro, turn off your cognitive dissonance for one moment and think.
If that's what you think will when the budget is passed then Democrats just need to just stop shutting down the fucking government then and pass the spending bill for the budget that was agreed upon 3 months ago, correct?

>>1450819
You really deal with some powerful mental illness

>>1450820
You're forgetting about the whole "Expiration of tax credits that will result in doubled insurance prices for millions of americans" thing. You know, that thing Republicans should also be fucking addressing but refuse to even as their own voters beg them for help.

>>1450822
don't forget you're not arguing with an american, just a shill trying to obfuscate, gaslight and run damage control for his billionaire handlers

>>1450822
The emergency relief that Democrats voted on and designed to expire and that no Republican has ever voted in favor of?

Yeah, nah.

>>1450808
>>1450811
Democrats are literally voting against funding the government. Its wild that on the one hand they do this and then turn around and say "Republicans did this".

>>1450824
just admit you want to suck billionaire dick until you choke to death and we'll let you off the hook

>>1450826
I'm not on the hook for anything.

>>1450824
Republicans refuse to do anything as millions of americans get either priced out of their health insurance or lose massive amounts of their paycheck to it. Got it. This shit is why they refuse to greenlight your bill.

>>1450827
yeah, you're not even american, we know

>>1450808
>Mike Johnson won't swear in a congresswoman, who just happens to be a tie-breaking vote for releasing the Epstein files
You're telling me that Jeff Markley just spent 22 hours on the Senate floor filibustering the release of the Epstein files!??
For fucks sake, Democrats are protecting Trump more than the Republicans are!

>>1450828
Republicans have offered a vote on the credits once the government is funded. Yes, they definitely are not going to pass the credits in their current form. Obviously not.

>>1450832
>Republicans have offered a vote on the credits once the government is funded.
But they can't offer one now to ensure the government is funded? Way to work fucking backwards. Almost like Democrats have no reason to believe any Republican promise after Trump and company kept breaking them over and over.

>>1450831
nuclear option when? oh, why not anon?

>>1450834
>But they can't offer one now to ensure the government is funded?
Correct. Because Republicans are asking for nothing in the continuing resolution they are not prepared to allow Democrats to having anything in it either.

>>1450836
esl

>>1450836
So Democrats have no reason to work with them. Promises mean nothing when you've broken all the ones you made. Repubs absolute refusal to cede any ground to the other half of the country is what's causing this shutdown, even when it's on an bipartisan issue their own voters have immense concern with.

Fucks sake, even MTG realized the tax credit thing is bad for everyone. Her being the voice of reason is a sign of how absolutely fucked the republican party is right now.

>>1450825
this is just flat out wrong and youre either Ivan or a streetshitter.

>>1450839
First, MTG is mad because Trump and Senate leadership nuked her ambitions to run for the Senate in GA.

Second, the reason to work with them is to fund our government.

>>1450840
Democrats are voting to fund the government?

>>1450841
>Second, the reason to work with them is to fund our government.
Yeah, so why are Republicans not doing so?

They have a duty to their voters to not screw them by allowing Republicans to keep ignoring the issue. The problem is Republicans are so insistent they'd rather shut the government down than give a single concession.

>>1450825
This

>>1450843
the government is made up of the people, and the people tend to want affordable healthcare, so yes

>>1450835
Why not last time Democrats shut down the government? You didn't have a conspiracy theory then and they didn't do it. They shut down lasted longer as well.

>>1450844
>Yeah, so why are Republicans not doing so?
Because Democrats are using the filibuster to prevent the government being funded.

>>1450848
god you're esl

>>1450847
The people gave Republicans the trifecta.

>>1450850
Thanks for getting btfo again conspiratard, lmao.
Funny how you just crumble when someone points out your cognitive dissonance

>>1450849
Because Republicans refuse to just fund the tax credits and solve an issue facing their own voters, solely because it was a dem idea.

>>1450852
just use my language properly and i won't have to call you an esl faggot, ok. every 3 posts you make a glaring error, what, am i supposed to ignore it?

>>1450853
I thought Republicans were making the Democrats shut down the government so that idk something about a conspiracy theory with the Epstein files and some congresswoman that was going to be sworn in the second week of October.

It's honestly kind of hard to keep track of all your conspiracy theories

>>1450853
No Republican has ever voted in favor of the credits, any of the three times its been voted on. Maybe there is more to it than "cuz they r mean"

>>1450855
you've been skipping your gaslighting classes, eh esl shill

>>1450854
You're also calling me ESL. You call everyone esl or not American when you're getting verbally spanked.

>>1450810
>you might be retarded
There's no "might be". He is retarded

>>1450857
Well now they either do that, or deal with a bunch of pissed off voters who will look at their insurance and know exactly who to blame. And, oh yeah, continue to have a non-functional government because they're allergic to giving an inch to the other 50% of the country.

Fund the tax credits and this shit ends. Dems want it. Dem voters want it. Republican voters want it. So why can't they just fucking bite the bullet and do it?

>>1450859
Dude he's just a retard and at this point I just ignore him when he starts getting unhinged like this.

Every time you point out how this guy's entire belief system is built on cognitive dissonance, lies, and half truths, he just breaks down and acts like this

Best to just ignore him and talk to other people in the thread

>>1450859
if we had to hear you attempt english verbally, i guarantee you'd be laughed out of this dead board. now go study my language so you don't make any other obvious typos, ok esl shill

>>1450861
>So why can't they just fucking bite the bullet and do it?
It's an evil conspiracy by Republicans to block the Epstein files from being released by creating an issue that would cause the government shutdown which they then use as an excuse to shutdown Congress which means the new Democrat congressperson can't release the Epstein files... I think

>>1450861
Republicans arent going to reward shitty behavior and they arent going to help Democrats pass a policy that run counter to core GOP principles.
>but Republican voters want it to
Yes, and an appropriate measure will be passed in due course.

>>1450865
repubs already dismissed congress for a whole month before the shutdown just to avoid an epstein vote lmao. That's not why the shutdown is happening but they also refuse to end it because it gives them an excuse to not call the vote.

Again, reminder that Congress can and should be meeting right now. It does not matter if the Government is shut down; if anything it incentivizes them meeting in congress to work things out.

>>1450867
>an appropriate measure will be passed in due course.
Exactly this. They've stated repeatedly they will get something to replace the tax credits. The blocking issue here is the fucking government shutdown. Democrat politicians are literally afraid of being executed by their base if they act like normal reasonable people

>>1450867
no it won't, even the most shortsighted republicans know they're being lied to at this point. ask a soybean farmer

>>1450869
>if anything it incentivizes them meeting in congress to work things out.
Which is exactly why the house was sent home. There is nothing to "work out". Either the Democrats pass a clean CR or we continue the shutdown.

>>1450872
>we
you're not american. now please melt down and doublepost again

>>1450871
>no it won't
Senate Republicans have already offered Democrats a vote on the subject as soon as they fund the government.

>>1450872
Oh so it is a Republican shutdown?

>>1450872
>Either the Democrats pass a clean CR
I don't see why this is so tough honestly. The budget was literally passed just 3 months ago. Voters elected a bunch of Republicans this year, and this is how the budget is.
If they want to do something about it, they have the next election cycle to get more representation in government, they are literally right now just shitting on everything because they are literally afraid of the party radicals

>>1450876
No, its Democrats who are voting against the funding of the government.

>>1450875
and they've lost all trust or respect way before that

>>1450879
Okay, enjoy the shutdown.

>>1450869
>repubs already dismissed congress for a whole month
It was like one week early because Democrats in the Senate were doing exactly what they are doing here, acting like children and refusing to let the Senate vote.

>>1450877
>Voters elected a bunch of Republicans this year
Yeah that doesn't disqualify the voters who the dems represent. That's how democracy works you fucking retard.

And don't forget polls on this very issue showed it's 70% approval to not let the credits expire, because shockingly 20 million people aren't fans of their insurance rates doubling overnight.

>>1450878
why did you say "we continue the shutdown" then, esl shill larping as a white american? god you're bad at your job

>>1450883
>we
>the people of America

>>1450880
Kek. This is what gets me, Democrats have like no leverage here. They are threatening Trump with keeping the government shut down and he literally doesn't care because this is an excuse to downsize and cut spending.

It's such a weird dynamic because they are trying to bargain without leverage and all they are doing is just hurting normal people

>>1450884
>you
>are some faggot who can hardly put a sentence together

>>1450885
>all they are doing is just hurting normal people
Which, as you just said, Trump literally does not care about. The President does not care about Americans being hurt. Really read that back to yourself and think how this reflects on this admin and Republicans in any favorable way.

>>1450886
You realize I just ignore your shit right? As soon as the esl sperging starts I stop reading. Just a quick fyi.

>>1450882
>And don't forget polls on this very issue showed it's 70% approval to not let the credits expire
I'm sure the public would be just as partial to another form of assistance that isn't the Democrat corporate subsidies, but I doubt a poll was done on that, and it's not going to happen until Democrats stop shutting down the government

>>1450887
>Democrats vote against funding the government
>Republicans did this!

>>1450888
is that why you're angrily replying to my post while pretending to ignore it, you dumb faggot. i see why you can't get a real job

>>1450887
>Which, as you just said, Trump literally does not care about
learn English comprehension, ffs. It's like you just replace words with what you wish people had written.
At the end of the day, Democrats are the ones shutting down the government and hurting the normal people. Everyone on the other side of the aisle has promised to work out a replacement for the corporate subsidies that Democrats want, But it's not good enough for them, they want these corporate subsidies and they are willing to shut down the government and hurt everyone in the US because of it

>>1450889
>I'm sure the public would be just as partial to another form of assistance that isn't the Democrat corporate subsidies
So fucking suggest adding it. A promise of "we'll vote on a solution later" is worth less than dirt from republicans at this point because they have broken every promise they made under this new admin. This is what happens when one half of the government decides to completely shred their credibility; the system stops fucking working. In any other country, this would've triggered elections. Here, we instead get to chug on for a bit longer until annual elections happen and the same result happens; people vote out a government that cannot govern.

>>1450892
>. Everyone on the other side of the aisle has promised to work out a replacement for the corporate subsidies that Democrats want
Such as? And don't give a promise to vote on it later; you've broken all of those, so now you have to start giving concessions immediately.

>>1450893
>people vote out a government that cannot govern.
Yet, Democrats are at +1 on the generic ballot. Weird.

>>1450894
>so now you have to start giving concessions immediately.
No, Republicans don't actually need to do that.

>>1450896
So they won't actually get a functioning government. We rely on the two parties being able to negotiate and compromise. Republicans inability to do so in any way have resulted in the system breaking.

>>1450897
>So they won't actually get a functioning government.
Okay.
> negotiate and compromise
At this point, its Democrats refusing to compromise.

>>1450893
All Democrats do is have to reopen the government bro.. Republicans are on board with additional health care benefits
https://d12t4t5x3vyizu.cloudfront.net/kiggans.house.gov/uploads/2025/10/Letter-to-Speaker-Johnson-on-Government-Shutdown-and-Healthcare-Priorities-FINAL.pdf
>Once the government is reopened, however, we should immediately turn our focus to the growing crisis of
healthcare affordability and the looming expiration of the enhanced Affordable Care Act (ACA) premium tax
credits. Millions of Americans are facing drastic premium increases due to short-sighted Democratic
policymaking. While we did not create this crisis, we now have both the responsibility and the opportunity to
address it.

The only thing the Democrats need to do is stop acting like children and reopen the government so that shit can get done

>>1450899
No approving the Republican CR until these things are actually implemented. Repubs have no credibility; they've repeatedly broken promises, so the only way for Dems to trust them is if they give the concession first.

>>1450813
I think it's hilarious how so many on the left will call MAGA a cult and whine about Republicans being brainwashed for having cohesion, but here they are calling one of their moderates a turncoat because he wants this shutdown to end so his voters get aid. Of course they won't admit to being in a brainwashed cult themselves as they continue to fuck over their voters, not giving any ground, behaving the same as the congressmen they complained about not long ago.

>>1450900
We accept you terms.

>>1450900
>they've repeatedly broken promises
Like?

>>1450901
Bro, there was an article posted on here earlier this week, the Democrat senators are literally afraid of being executed by their base.
Most people elect officials hoping that they make good decisions for everyone. Some of the people I talk to on this board who seem to support Democrats very strongly have this weird idea that elected officials need to be afraid of being murdered by their base, which literally blows my mind, because in all honesty, I don't think and elected official is going to make good decisions if they're actually afraid of their constituency, they're going to make overall poorer decisions trying to appease a mob. It's literally a disaster waiting to happen

>>1450901
>It's not fair to call this guy a turncoat for literally going against his own voters' wishes and supporting them having an insurance spike
Reminder Fetterman's constituents are literally in favor of the tax credits being renewed.
>https://www.aol.com/articles/union-members-hand-deliver-letter-173100113.html
He is literally stabbing them in the back.

>>1450906
We'll see when he is up for re-election
>its PA
>hes going to win in a landslide

>>1450905
Representatives should be afraid of retribution if they fail to do their jobs. I'd rather my rep be afraid of getting shot for betraying their base than unafraid of stabbing the same people they were supposed to represent in the back for their own personal gain.

>>1450908
Gee, if only there were a simpler solution. Like, every 4-6 years we could get everyone together and decide if we want to keep them. And we could like, have these smaller party-only elections before the big election to decide if we want to keep them as the party's candidate, we could call these mini-elections "primaries".

>>1450909
>Get tricked by a self-serving rep who doesn't represent their voters at all
>"Whoops, sorry, gotta wait a few years to get rid of him!"
Maybe we should instead make recalls easier and more common. But no; because those same reps don't want people being able to get rid of them, the people are fucking helpless for years if they're successfully deceived. Imagine getting scammed and the bank just tells you "yeah sorry, that guy gets to hold on to your card and info until it expires".

Trump owns the shutdown. That is how it works with leadership.

>>1450906
He's stabbing his constituents in the back by believing Democrats are being hypocritical with the whole filibuster thing and that health benefits should be negotiated without a government shutdown?

>>1450908
Good God you're not a sane person. That type of mentality is literally why every communist government has been driven into the ground and ends up with a devastated country.

How about nobody lives in fear of being murdered by angry mobs, and if someone does not like an elected official, they vote them out of office? That's literally how civilized society works, not this thunderdome mob rule you imagine government should be

>>1450920
>they vote them out of office?
Yeah except they can't do that either. Take George Santos for example; he literally got into office by blatantly lying to his voters about every aspect of his life, then started ignoring their demands he step down until he was fucking removed by the rest of congress. They should've been able to force his ass to the curb the moment the truth came out; instead they had to deal with him being their rep for a year because they couldn't recall him. The system that effectively gives hucksters 4 years to do whatever the fuck they want once they've tricked their voters is fucked.

>>1450922
>That type of mentality is literally why every communist government has been driven into the ground and ends up with a devastated country.
This type of mentality is literally what founded the United States. After the British repeatedly refused to acknowledge the colonies' right to representation, they had to resort to armed uprising.

>>1450915
>Trump owns the shutdown. That is how it works with leadership.
Funny how this NEVER applied to Biden over the massive fuck-up that was the Afghanistan evacuation. How many times have I heard you faggots blame Trump for every - single - terrible - decision - Biden - made?

>>1450929
probably every time you smoke fent, shilly faggot
but it is Trumps fault that he released all the Taliban and the took back over Afghanistan

>>1450924
this coming after the democrat tyranny for the last decade has literally gotten people doxed and sent death threats for donating to republicans and the ADL is complicit by outright omitting leftist groups from their statistic

>>1450924
leftists aren't muh resistant they're the disgusting tyrants, I'm glad you're going to get fucked
people had to put up with over a decade of your bigotry now stfu and die

>>1450933
>Decade
It's literally been like 8 decades of leftist being insufferable. There's been an ebb and flow of the amount of their bullshit, but it's been extremely prevalent.
But at the end of the day, the jewish golem's got goleming to do.

>>1450931
Except none of those Taliban killed any US troops after Trump signed the deal. In fact, we had ZERO KIAs after the agreement - until Abbey Gate happened, by an ISIS bomber that BIDEN let out of prison a month ago when he abandoned Bagram.

And now after you cunts ran damage control for the senile fuck for several years, you want to come on here and talk about "That is how it works with leadership." Suck my fucking cock!

>shill melting down hard
lmao

>>1450758
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DEMONFARTS?!

>>1450929
Trumpser live in an alternate reality man. He literally set the plans in motion for every single thing he accused biden of.

>trump fucks up the border budget by building a shitty unfinished wall instead of maintaining the invisible drone system that the obama admin had set up that worked very well.

DURR BIDEN CAUSED DA MIGRANT CRISIS

>ignores every medical expert and throws around baseless conspiracy theories about "the china virus"
>turns out to be much more deadly than previously thought so the admin squirts out a half baked vaccine literally names the project WARP "oh shit we really fucked up" SPEED

DURR IT WAS JUST A HARMLESS FLU, GO BACK TO WORK

>Trump passes a crazy bill that disproprionately punishes the working class which compounds with the intrest from the covid shutdown so they send out dated inflation checks with his fucking signature and picture on them
>gives even more money to every large buisness to pay thier employees, the dont and just use it for stock buybacks and then the goberment forvies the PPP loans but only if youre already a millionaire.

DURR BIDEN IS OLD AND MADE THE MONEY GO BUR I DUNNO HOW BUH HE DID

>gets caught trying to rig the election with fake documents, loses every court case
>His entire party shrug their shoulders and certify biden becuse they literally cannot break the law in fron of everyone

DURR ACKTUALLY IT WAS THE BIDENS SOMEHOW THAT RIGGED THE ELECTION SOMEHOW DESPITE NO EVEIDENCE AND A SYSTEM OF BIPARTISAN COMMITIES THAT ARE SOMEHOE FILLED WITH TRUMP APPOINTEES I SAW A MOVIE ABOUT 2 MILLION DONKEYS THAT PUT CHINESE BAMBOO BALLOTS IN THE MAILBOXES

>trump manages to beat Kamala by a percent
>the biden crime family must have forgot to turn on the 15 million fake ballot manufacturing machine this time

HURRRR BTFOOO BIDEN GOT BTFO WITH DUH POWER OF OUR BETTER VOTENING WE VOTERD SO GOODER

>>1450945
>>ignores every medical expert and throws around baseless conspiracy theories about "the china virus"
>>turns out to be much more deadly than previously thought so the admin squirts out a half baked vaccine literally names the project WARP "oh shit we really fucked up" SPEED
>DURR IT WAS JUST A HARMLESS FLU, GO BACK TO WORK
Stopped reading there. I guess you're going to conveniently forget the time when Trump wanted to ban all travel to/from China, only for dems - including Biden - to start screaming DAS RACIST!!!

>>1450758
WHY ARE DEMONRATS MURDERING AMERICANS?!

>>1450946
>I guess you're going to conveniently forget the time when Trump wanted to ban all travel to/from China, only for dems - including Biden - to start screaming DAS RACIST!!!
Yeah because it was only for chinese nationals, not just from China in general. Meaning any random fuckwit could go to China, get sick, then come back and spread to the US.

>>1450937
If you can't sail the ship without it sinking maybe you're not worthy of being captain.

>>1450779
Aged garbage dislikes getting buried under fresh garbage, amirite?

>>1450828
No, no, no. Republicans are doing something... they are gutting social services for poor Americans. I guess minimum wage is just too much for record-profit making corporations. Maybe Trump will send out pre-stuffed turkeys.

>>1450946
you read every word :D

>>1450973
>Republicans are doing something... they are gutting social services for poor Americans.
They're requiring able-bodied working age adults to be looking for a job or attending school if they want benefits, you retard that's not "gutting" benefits.

Your brain is cooked and fried on propaganda

>>1450988
>Kicks millions off benefits
>"Uh well they didn't deserve it anyway."
But remember, Trump deserves his DOJ payout, Trump's appointees deserve their new private jet fleets, Argentina deserves billions, and pretty much everyone in power deserves whatever they want while American citizens get fucked.

>>1450991
>Kicks millions off benefits
If these are the Able-Bodied working age adults Who want to collect benefits but don't want to go to school and educate themselves or get a job, then yeah, they shouldn't get public benefits because they aren't contributing to society.

I know you people love being able to sit at home all day and smoke fentanyl while the public pays for it, but it's not a good policy to have

>>1450973
Do you do anything besides just repeat propaganda? I mean do you actually think for yourself or do you just repeat buzzwords that are meant to draw emotions out of uneducated people?

>>1450993
Way to leave out how the job market is fucking ass right now, meaning you're effectively punishing people for being unable to get a decent job.
>Congrats, your options are now a. work a backbreaking minimum wage job, if you can even get that in this market
>or b. starve to death because we can't be fucked to help the same people we screwed over

>>1450997
>>1450997
>Way to leave out how the job market is fucking ass right now
Don't worry anon, any able bodied working age adults without dependents who got out of a job can still collect benefits for I think it's 6 or 12 months without needing to request an exception

You on the other hand, sit at home doing drugs all day so I'm not sure you will be eligible for benefits because you don't go to school and you don't contribute to society... Unless if you just finally have a doctor diagnose you with schizophrenia, at which point you can still collect your benefits as long as you'd like

>>1451000
>Don't worry anon, any able bodied working age adults without dependents who got out of a job can still collect benefits for I think it's 6 or 12 months without needing to request an exception
>Guys just have had a job beforehand, it's that easy!
Yeah the job market has been ass for months and will continue to be ass for the next year.

>>1451002
>Yeah the job market has been ass for months and will continue to be ass for the next year
People can request an exemption.

>>1451003
The majority of people can considering how the US is in negative job growth.

>>1450973
have you seen the tiktok trash raving about SNAP benefits fuck em let em all starve to death. able bodied moms should not be entitled to thousands in tax dollars to feed their kids while they spend the rest on hair salons and manicures by illegally selling food stamps.

>>1450991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFzMu7Ompk
watch this and tell me with a straight face these people deserve to have their living expenses subsidized fuck you.

>>1451009
>>1451008
Personally, I believe there are zero ethical considerations for requiring snap recipients to be contributing to society. I actually think the current change is a positive to people from where it was previously. When I was in college I didn't live with my parents and did not have a job and didn't get any financial assistance. My very progressive state would not approve me for snap because I was going to school and I was not seeking a job full time... (No idea if this was a federal or state requirement) So I ended up having to work part time and go to school part time. With the new plan, education in furtherance of a degree qualifies you for snap, I honestly think this is better for society than the previous strategy

>>1451009
Imagine basing your political opinions on fucking tiktok posts. You do realize half of these are fake for views, right?

>>1451010
>So I ended up having to work part time and go to school part time.
Actually this part's worth clarifying. I originally started attending college right out of high school, and without any way to pay for food I left and got snap, and came back to college several years later part time and working.

In my state, the requirement to get snap was that I was looking for a job 8 hours a day. The actual enforcement on that was a joke, they didn't actually have any way to check if you were looking for a job and filling out resumes 8 hours a day, so me and all my buddies just sat around and were worthless pos's to society for a year or two because we wouldn't be able to eat if we went to college, as our food benefits would drop.

I wholeheartedly think the new strategy is a positive for all of American society because it allows people who want to better themselves without family resources the assistance they need, while de-incentivizing people to be lazy sacks of crap that don't do anything productive for society or aren't trying to better themselves

>>1451010
completely agreed, i don't see why people have complaints about people needing to work i think it was 20h a week to maintain snap benefits which is perfectly fair to me. Snap isn't there for people to live off it's suppose to be a temporary aid.
I'd rather more money was given to college/uni students instead of home moms but either way there's no societal benefits to handing out snap money in Perpetuity to people actively looking to leech off the system. Personally along with the working requirement I think they should set a limit on snap benefits receivable for families.

The last thing we need is a mom with 8 leeching off the system to then have their kids do the same thing when they grow up.
>>1451012
oh yes i'm sure that's why people are robbing grocery stores because its fake news that snaps requirements are being stricter.

>>1451014
>oh yes i'm sure that's why people are robbing grocery stores because its fake news that snaps requirements are being stricter.
So you're still believing tiktok bullshit made to score views.

>>1451015
there's no point arguing with a twat who buries their head in the sand saying its not real its all fake.
so here's an idea have some fun search for "grocery looting" on twitter its good for a couple hours of laughs.
https://x.com/TheOnlyDSC/status/1981168785425125553

>>1451014
>I'd rather more money was given to college/uni students instead of home moms but either way there's no societal benefits to handing out snap money in Perpetuity to people actively looking to leech off the system.
I'm not even against it going towards single parents or whatever, But I wholeheartedly agree with you on the first part that these benefits need to be prioritized for people that are making an effort to better themselves and/or society, and deprioritized for people who are able bodied working age adults without dependents.

I absolutely think people should be getting aid when they need it, And it makes sense to prioritize public spending according to the greatest potential for public benefit, and to that end, It makes perfect sense to allow people without resources to get benefits by going to college and pursuing a degree

>>1450993
proof? also being forced to work for a shitty greedy min wage employer does nothign for the average tax payer except widen the waealth gap. It actually makes wages go down overall when people are desperate.

Unions are the only thing that makes the wages for non-union work go up

Rising tide lifts all boats ;)

>>1451016
>It's another fucking tiktok video
Anon I don't know how to explain the concept of "ragebait" to you.

>>1451017
i'm fine with it going to single parents just not in perpetuity to replace income. I just think they're giving way too much focus on frankly people most would consider leeches on the system. I don't consider single moms who need small amounts to supplement income in that group, I'm talking specially about the group who refuse to work and now are rioting that they need a part-time job to maintain snap benefits.

Completely agree, i think students should have more aid if anything, student loans are already a pain in the ass not to mention school stress, helping them out by at least letting them eat should be the priority over home moms with half a dozen kids leeching the system for years.

There's also a societal issue where once their mom does it they'll teach it to their kids who'll continue the cycle. because why work when you don't need to. I don't want parasites on the system raising their kids to copy them.

Also I think people illegally selling food stamps should be prosecuted as a felony

>>1450967
Don't even fucking act like dems didn't specifically make it about race for restricting travel from the group (Chinese nationals) that was more likely to have COVID at the beginning of the outbreak. And here you are, going to pretend that if he also didn't ban returning flights of US citizens faggots like you wouldn't be crying about muh rights and muh quarantines? Trump couldn't even ban the most likely carriers of the virus without catching flak from the left, so how the fuck was he supposed to institute a complete ban without the word "tyranny" getting posted 10,000 fold on social media?

I love how you useless fucks held him back from doing what needed to be done, and then blamed him for the pandemic spreading. Fucking no accountability for anything you cancerous fucks do, no more than you'll hold Biden accountable for Afghanistan - then say some stupid shit like
>Trump owns the shutdown. That is how it works with leadership.
Get fucked. You leftists are a waste of time.

>>1450970
So in this case, who put the bomber in the boat that lead to the massive hole that got 13 people killed?

>>1451021
>I love how you useless fucks held him back from doing what needed to be done
If he was serious he would've banned ALL travel from China. Instead he just banned all foreign nationals... which does fucking nothing because pandemics don't care about what country you're from. It did absolutely fucking nothing to stop an American from going to China, catching COVID, then coming back and spreading it here. An quarantine response that has a set class of people capable of just ignoring it even if they could breach the quarantine is literally less than worthless.

>We voted for trump to clean up the swamp and kick out all those mooching welfare queens
>slash Medicare budget down to its bare bones
>thousands of rural hospitals scheduled to close
>insurance premiums DOUBLE within two months with no signs of slowing down
>W-Wait, not like this...
>republican controlled gubment could easily produce the votes to restore necessary life saving services
>nah, you guys can just die nobody like poor people should

WHY DID THE DEMS DO THIS TO US???

>>1451021
>the group (Chinese nationals) that was more likely to have COVID at the beginning of the outbreak
The most likely group to have COVID at the start of the outbreak was ANYONE IN CHINA, not just foreigners. Trump's plan WAS racist because it basically pretended that only chinese people could have the virus, letting it piggyback on US citizens all the way back to the US while giving people a false sense of security.

>>1450945
Good post.

>>1451027
What?

>>1451021
>Say on TV, out loud, that its just a flu
>millions choke to death
>No wait its a dem hoax
>why did they bother making a vaccine?
>or suddenly need so many respirators we didn't have because they ignored the experts
>Fauchi is somehow behind it?
>5 years later still no evidence

And this is just one thing out of a list of tens of thousands of bullshit lies you believe. you're going to be so mad when you realize how objectively wrong.

>>1451023
>If he was serious he would've banned ALL travel from China.
So he could be called a racist dictator by dems?

>>1451032
like he fucking cares if people call him a racist lmao

>>1451028
>The most likely group to have COVID at the start of the outbreak was ANYONE IN CHINA, not just foreigners.
And how the fuck was Trump going to ban US citizens from returning to the US from China, without you blue-haired faggots screeching about muh rights? Answer that, dickhead.

>>1451033
He couldn't even send in the feds to break up the CHAZ zone because your dem leaders threatened legal action. Now how the fuck was he going to get away with banning the return of US citizens without that getting tossed by dems during the start of it when they were saying it wasn't a big deal? I'm waiting on an answer.

>>1451034
Weren't the right the ones who were screeching about quarantine infringing on their rights? You're literally strawmaning that the left would've been opposed to the correct response as opposed to Trump's fundamentally flawed one, when the right has been bitching about the exact same thing when the US had to collectively start actually implementing it for FIVE FUCKING YEARS AND COUNTING

>>1451037
>Weren't the right the ones who were screeching about quarantine infringing on their rights?
Can't answer the question, so you move into whataboutism. Fucking typical. What else did I expect, really?

>>1451036
>when they were saying it wasn't a big deal?
I'm sorry, you're saying the DEMS were the ones downplaying it? Not the guy who literally said "oh it'll be over in a two weeks" and it was basically the flu?

You can keep trying to revise history, but the facts are Trump failed to implement anything other than a false sense of security that just discriminated on country of origin instead of the actual virus it was trying to prevent from spreading.

>>1451038
>But the left would've opposed the one that didn't exclude non-foreigners too! Totally! Trust me!
>Ignore how the right bitched about their freedoms when they were told to stay in their own houses, nevermind stay in a foreign country
The correct response was to ban all travel from China completely if you wanted to make sure there'd be no spread. Trump failed to implement it by allowing US citizens to return without issue and spread the virus anyway. These are objective facts.

>>1451038
>Can't answer the question, so you move into whataboutism
This is so fucking funny coming from the guy who can't even acknowledge Trump's ban was retarded and instead has to cope with "Well uh, the left would've opposed the smart plan too! For reasons!"

>>1451040
>The correct response was to ban all travel from China completely
He couldn't even ban half the people without you fucks stopping him. So ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION: HOW WAS HE GOING TO BAN RETURNING US CITIZENS WITHOUT YOU FUCKS CRYING ABOUT IT???

He can't even ban illegals in this country without you animals shooting people over it. How the fuck was he going to ban returning US citizens. ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.

>>1451042
>So ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION: HOW WAS HE GOING TO BAN RETURNING US CITIZENS WITHOUT YOU FUCKS CRYING ABOUT IT???
Announcing a complete ban on ANY flights from China instead of just foreigners. The same way he announced the foreigner ban. Trump doesn't care if Dems complain about him, and if they undid it later, then you could've held them responsible.

But he didn't. And now you're bitching about hypothetical resistance to an idea that was WHAT DEMS WERE FUCKING SUGGESTING INSTEAD OF JUST BANNING FOREIGN NATIONALS.
>https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus
Dems weren't opposed to the ban itself, but instead how it singled out foreign nationals only and did nothing about the 40k US citizens who went to China and back, spreading the virus here anyway and rendering the whole fucking ban pointless.

>>1451041
He couldn't even ban illegals from entering the country during the COVID lockdowns without over 9000 legal challenges over how racist Title 42 was. Which is why none of you will be able to answer how he was supposed to be able to ban US citizens returning from China.

>>1451043
>Announcing a complete ban on ANY flights from China instead of just foreigners.
And then you would've cried about how much of a fucking dictator he is and how he doesn't have the right to ban the travel of US citizens. He would've had a million lawsuits over it, just like he did when he banned immigration at the border over COVID.

>>1451044
Did Trump implement a ban on foreign nationals coming from China? Yes or no?

>>1451046
>And then you would've cried about how much of a fucking dictator he is and how he doesn't have the right to ban the travel of US citizens
But that didn't happen. What did happen is the right doing exactly that for quarantines and vaccine requirements.

>He would've had a million lawsuits over it, just like he did when he banned immigration at the border over COVID.
Those lawsuits were pointing out his ban was retarded for the same reason as the China one; if you exclude US citizens, the ban does nothing. The virus doesn't care about nationality; the only difference between a US citizen getting in and spreading the virus and a foreigner getting in and spreading the virus is that only the foreigner was blocked even though they both carried the same risk to the US as a whole.

>>1451047
Yes he did, and was immediately called racist for it.

Did Trump get multiple lawsuits when he halted immigration at the border over COVID? Yes or no?

>>1451042

Like your side would abided by any stay at home orders when they got back in.

No masks, no vaccines, just a much higher mortality rate than the dems

>>1451049
>he was called racist
link?

>>1451048
>if you exclude US citizens, the ban does nothing.
And again, he couldn't even ban non-US citizens without you people crying about it. But please keep pretending you weren't going to give Trump flak no matter what decision he made.

>>1451020
>Also I think people illegally selling food stamps should be prosecuted as a felony
100% here, also the people who buy food stamps for cash or run corner stores and let people buy whatever they want on non-food items using food stamps

>>1451018
Proof of what? The ABAWD work requirements for snap? Are you really so inundated in your echo chamber that you know nothing about these? You've heard nothing about it?

>>1451052
>And again, he couldn't even ban non-US citizens without you people crying about it.
Are you implying that would've stopped him? When has it ever?

>But please keep pretending you weren't going to give Trump flak no matter what decision he made.
Again, when has Trump ever cared? All he showed was he refused to make the actual hard choices and instead just gave people a false sense of security.

>>1451056
>Are you implying that would've stopped him? When has it ever?
>Again, when has Trump ever cared?
Once again, I bring up CHAZ and how Trump threatened to send federal troops to stop that little bit of we-don't-call-it-sedition, only for dems to go 'uh uh oh no you didnt!'

>>1451057
Comparing doing actions in a Dem state to foreign relations that are the domain of the executive aren't the same. The fact Trump was able to implement the China ban at all means he could've easily made it a proper ban that actually worked instead of a xenophobic paper barrier.

>>1451058
>Comparing doing actions in a Dem state to foreign relations that are the domain of the executive aren't the same.
Nonetheless, Seattle dems were not only doing nothing to stop it, they were actually supporting the event: ordering police to stand down, providing water, portable toilets, medical support, etc., threatening legal action if Trump stopped it... y'know some might call that giving "aid and comfort", but I digress. You asked when has the threat of legal action and political pressure from the left stopped Trump, and there you go. Now keep complaining about how he should've banned US citizens from their own country when he can't even ban non-US citizens or stop US citizens actively committing sedition, without you fucktards screeching and filing another lawsuit.

>>1451055
Proof that everyone on assistance is just a lazy POS

>>1451061
>You asked when has the threat of legal action and political pressure from the left stopped Trump, and there you go.
So they were able to stop him when they actually had authority to do so, which they didn't for the China ban on account of how he actually did it.

There is still zero justification for Trump's ban failing to actually prevent covid due to the massive blindspot within it. Stop whataboutisming to CHAZ and acknowledge he could've banned all travel and not just foreign nationals the same way he banned foreign nationals.

>>1451061
>Seattle dems were not only doing nothing to stop it, they were actually supporting the event: ordering police to stand down, providing water, portable toilets, medical support, etc.,
Literally this. They got sued by several people as being responsible for the deaths caused the CHAZ

>>1451064
Unrelated to the conversation; Seattle Dems have authority within their state, Trump had authority over banning travel to China.

>>1451063
>So they were able to stop him when they actually had authority to do so
I wasn't aware dems had the authority to support criminals actively seceding from the US. Learn something new each day.

>Stop whataboutisming to CHAZ
Fuck you. Trump absolutely had the authority to go there and put a stop to it before black children got shot and murdered (dems seceding and killing blacks? History repeats itself), and you fucks still prevented him from doing so. But no, trust me bro we totally wouldn't have filed 50 fucking lawsuits if he banned US citizens returning from China like we've done EVERY FUCKING DAY HE WAS IN OFFICE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.

>>1451065
And Trump has the authority to stop sedition.

>>1451066
>>1451067
You cannot address Trump's failure to implement a proper ban that would've actually worked, and instead keep deflecting to CHAZ and talking about how he totally would've gotten sued if he'd done it, even though he got sued hundreds of times throughout his term and that never stopped him from actually doing said actions in the first place.

>>1451068
>You cannot address Trump's failure to implement a proper ban that would've actually worked
Not a single travel ban would have worked to stop covid from spreading to the US.
There is no way in hell you're going to convince me that even cutting our entire country off from the rest of the world and deploying our entire naval, air, and ground forces to protect our national borders would we have been able to prevent the stop of covid.

>>1451070
>Not a single travel ban would have worked to stop covid from spreading to the US.
Would it have stopped it? Probably not. Could an actual proper ban have slowed the virus reaching us? Yes.

This whole conversation started with "Liberals opposed Trump's common sense China ban because they said he was racist!" when the reality is, it was racist and didn't actually ban travel from China from US nationals, which defeated the entire point of implementing it in the first place since the virus was just as capable of spreading from them as it was from Chinese and other foreign nationals. Trump failed and the dems were right to point out the ban was a bad idea.

>>1451068
Democrats have fought everything Trump has suggested purely as a reflexive action.
Whether that be the vaccine, illegal immigration, anything.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1761083193807904.mp4

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1761083255267332.mp4

>>1451068
>You cannot address Trump's failure to implement a proper ban that would've actually worked,
Other than the part where I pointed out you people would've cried lawsuits over it - like you do all the fucking time.

>and instead keep deflecting to CHAZ and talking about how he totally would've gotten sued if he'd done it,
As an example of something he had the authority to do, that you people threatened lawsuits over - like you do all the fucking time.

>even though he got sued hundreds of times throughout his term
Because you people that all the fucking time.

>and that never stopped him from actually doing said actions in the first place.
Except for the CHAZ example you're trying to dismiss because it's a perfect case of him not doing what needed to be done because you animals threatened to sue him - like you do all the fucking time.

But no, TRUST ME BRO we weren't going to sue him if he banned US citizens for returning from a country. That would NEEEEEVER happen!

>>1451072
>Whether that be the vaccine
So weird the dynamics behind that one. Trump announced operation warp speed and there was a bunch of people from the left decrying it, we had a vaccine announced right after Biden won presidency, and then everyone suddenly switched spots left and right and suddenly the left wanted everyone to be taking the Trump Vaccine (But refuse to give him credit for the program that created it) while everyone on the right didn't trust it

>>1451071
>didn't actually ban travel from China from US nationals
So you're telling me that everyone who doesn't like Trump would have been perfectly happy if Trump announced that American citizens could no longer enter the country on their return trip from China?
Give me a break, you people would have been even angrier

>>1451077
So they did it all the time why did it stop him from going through with a full ban but not the partial one?

>>1451079
It would've had a better justification than "We're trying to avoid people from China coming here and spreading da virus! (as long as they're not american. Americans can spread the virus all they want)"

>>1451080
>why did it stop him from going through with a full ban
Here we go again... How was he going to ban US citizens from re-entering the country, without a lawsuit?
>but not the partial one?
Remember that crying racism dems were doing earlier?

>>1451078
Nah it made sense.
House rep stock trades are public. They were getting in on the ground floor of investing before boosting support and rigging the market.
Same reason why all the legacy media companies said "brought to you by pfizer" before and after morning shows shilling the vax.
Jimmy Kimmel was up on stage making fun of people dying because they didn't take the vax IIRC.

>>1451081
>How was he going to ban US citizens from re-entering the country, without a lawsuit?
1 million percent this

>>1451081
>>1451083
The same way he had them quarantined later. It isn't illegal for the US to block flights from a country completely, and it would in-fact fall under reasonable action due to a pandemic.

And again, lawsuits and legality has never fucking stopped Trump from doing anything.

>Remember that crying racism dems were doing earlier?
And you would've been able to say it had a pragmatic reason behind it if he hadn't made it so Americans can go to China, catch COVID, and bring it back with no issue. Only banning foreigners was xenophobic and nothing else; it didn't act in any way to stop spread when US nationals in the country could go home without issue.

>>1451084
>And again, lawsuits and legality has never fucking stopped Trump from doing anything.
It stopped him from sending federal police into CHAZ and ending that nonsense before any black teens got killed.
>durr whataboutism

>>1451084
>quarantined
Oooh quarantine, goalpost shift.
What was the "actual proper ban" you were referencing earlier since we just ruled out foreigners (because it's racist) and non-foreigners (since it's illegal)?

Do explain this "proper travel ban" you were suggesting

>>1451086
It isn't illegal for the US to block travel to and from a place. There are not special protections for US citizens if they are in a location that we cut off compared to foreign ones.

>>1451085
Annnd back to "Trump was so helpless during CHAZ he couldn't have possibly done this other thing he already did partway even with the exact same threats leveled against him".

I like how you're not even trying to defend Trump's failure of a ban to block spread anymore, just trying to deflect. Because god forbid you admit Trump ever did anything wrong, or even incorrectly.

>>1451087
>It isn't illegal for the US to block travel to and from a place
You are factually incorrect, do you have any more wrong opinions to backup your fallacious argument?
>https://www.rnlawgroup.com/the-rights-of-a-u-s-citizen-upon-reentry-into-the-country/
>A landmark Supreme Court case, United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), established that citizenship includes the right to reenter the nation. Unlike lawful permanent residents or visa holders, U.S. citizens are exempt from admissibility criteria. Consequently, even if a U.S. citizen lacks proper documentation or is subject to further questioning, the government is obligated to permit their entry once their citizenship is verified.

>>1451088
>Name a time Trump didn't do a thing / stopped doing a thing because dems threatened legal action! You can't do it!
>Here's an example.
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
lol

>>1451089
>https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/09/11/2020-20036/control-of-communicable-diseases-foreign-quarantine-suspension-of-the-right-to-introduce-and
You are correct... unless there's a pandemic.

>>1451091
>>1451088
>>Name a time Trump didn't do a thing / stopped doing a thing because dems threatened legal action! You can't do it!
Did Dems ever threaten legal action or did Trump only threaten to tear down CHAZ and never actually take any steps to do so? Please, I'm so curious. Provide any evidence he ever took any steps beyond tweets to send in the guard.

>>1451093
That says absolutely nothing about travel bans on US citizens.

But I think you know that, you simply tried to shift goal posts again away from your original argument which was on a more effective travel ban that blocks us citizens, and now you've shifted gears to just dropping your "effective travel ban" argument all together and you've arrived at "let's just quarantine people"

But hey buddy, news flash what you're arguing for literally happened, Trump did it, and you literally cited proof of that fact.. you are literally arguing trump should have done what he did lmao

>>1451095
>That says absolutely nothing about travel bans on US citizens.
Yes it does anon. It says anyone incoming from a foreign country; nothing about citizenship.

Also don't accuse people of shifting goalposts when you keep resisting saying "Trump's travel ban was stupid because it didn't include US citizens who could also have the virus" and instead have pivoted to CHAZ and "The democrats would've complained!... more!" as why he didn't take the steps to stop US nationals from bringing COVID here from China.

>>1451097
>But hey buddy, news flash what you're arguing for literally happened, Trump did it, and you literally cited proof of that fact.. you are literally arguing trump should have done what he did lmao
Trump didn't ban US nationals from returning from China. 40k of them came back, and COVID spread to the US from there. If the travel ban was actually about preventing spread, he would've instituted a quarantine or prevented them from coming back. It was instead about xenophobia and giving a false sense of security to the american people.

>>1451093
Hey, whatever, I'll play ball with your shifted goal posts.

Since you've been btfo in your "actual proper ban" and you are now talking about quarantines, I'm trying to understand what your new argument is. Yes, trump also had a quarantine order.

>>1451101
>Yes, trump also had a quarantine order
Nope. 40k US Nationals came back to the US from China after the ban was put in place. None of them were so much as screened.

>>1451098
>Yes it does anon
No, it doesn't. Did you even try reading it?
>The restrictions do not apply, however, to U.S. citizens or LPRs returning to the United States, or to those traveling for “essential travel,” which includes travel to work, or to educational institutions, travel for emergency response, diplomatic travelers, and travel for public health purposes, among others.
You are factually and demonstrably incorrect.

>>1451105
>>The restrictions do not apply, however, to U.S. citizens or LPRs returning to the United States, or to those traveling for “essential travel,” which includes travel to work, or to educational institutions, travel for emergency response, diplomatic travelers, and travel for public health purposes, among others.
Maybe read the actual context; that's describing the existing rules for quarantines. They can force them to isolate and quarantine, potentially at the site they're returning from, which Trump didn't even try to do.

>>1451104
You are literally factually incorrect at just about every turn.
I don't know how many people illegally bypass the travel ban, or how many people entered after Democrats blocked it

but it is demonstrable fact that the trump administration made an order blocking alien entry and requiring quarantine for us citizens
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10415
>The Administration's January 31, 2020, Proclamation also directed the Secretary of Homeland Security "to regulate the travel of persons and aircraft to the United States to facilitate the orderly medical screening and, where appropriate, quarantine of persons who enter the United States and who may have been exposed to the virus." To this end, on February 2, 2020, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) imposed screening and quarantine rules for persons—including U.S. nationals, LPRs, and their immediate family members—who arrive in the United States within 14 days after having been in mainland China.

Seriously bro. Stop repeating lies and falsehoods pushed to you by your propaganda echo chamber


So I asked you again, what is your criticism of his actions? You've been btfo on saying he should have blocked us citizens (because it's illegal) you've been btfo in saying he should quarantine us citizens (because he did)

What is your criticism now? What are your newly shifted goal posts going to be after you've been BTFO at every turn

>>1451110
>Democrats blocked it
Who was in control of the government then?

>>1451109
>They can force them to isolate and quarantine, potentially at the site they're returning from, which Trump didn't even try to do.
Once again you are demonstrably wrong and repeating falsehoods.
Educate yourself.
Here is the executive order, Ctrl+f quarantine
https://archive.is/fZxkA

>>1451111
>Who was in control of the government then?
Democrats controlled the legislature, propaganda shill
Here's another easily demonstrable fact:
https://www.vox.com/2020/7/22/21332511/no-ban-act-travel-ban-bill-trump
>House Democrats just passed a bill to repeal Trump’s travel bans

Good Lord, it's like you're just a stream of never-ending lies.
I think I'm on like a 10 streak of btfo'ing you

>>1451110
Yeah no. This didn't actually happen.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html
>At the Seattle-Tacoma airport, he said, an immigration officer went through his documents and asked questions unrelated to the virus about his job and life in China. At no point did anyone take his temperature, he said.
>The procedures called for screening to be conducted in empty sections of the airports, usually past customs areas. Passengers would line up and spend a minute or two having their temperature taken and being asked about their health and travel history. Those with a fever or self-reported symptoms like a cough would get a medical evaluation, and if they were thought to have been infected or exposed to the virus, they would be sent to a hospital where local health officials would take over.
and, most importantly:
>It did not apply to flights from Hong Kong and Macau.

>>1451112
Nope; what actually happened is hundred of asymptomatic carriers flew back to the US with no issue because they only quarantined people who had a fever or reported sickness.

>>1451115
Oh so what you're saying is Trump made an executive order and it wasn't followed in Seattle?

Honestly that doesn't surprise me. Not sure what you want Trump to do about people in Seattle who don't follow his executive orders though

>>1451114
>Democrats blocked it
>5 months later when the virus was already here and it served no further point
Oops.

>>1451096
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/trump-renews-military-threat-against-seattles-capitol-hill/LQM26FP6LFC6BKXPFULENIHYDY/

>>1451117
Trump's EO had those exact specifications you retard.
>The Secretary of Homeland Security shall take all necessary and appropriate steps to regulate the travel of persons and aircraft to the United States to facilitate the orderly medical screening and, where appropriate, quarantine of persons who enter the United States and who may have been exposed to the virus. Such steps may include directing air carriers to restrict and regulate the boarding of such passengers on flights to the United States.
No required quarantine, no special screenings. Trump didn't take the virus seriously and was more interested in attacking China than actually trying to prevent it from entering the US.

>>1451119
>He demanded on Twitter last night
So another random fucking tweet and not, you know, any kind of marching orders or even requests to the guard themselves.

>>1451116
Ok cool now we are getting somewhere! That was like pulling teeth, but you finally have some criticism that isn't based on a falsehood!

Let's see what path we needed to take to get here
1. Trump should have blocked us citizens from entering the county (illegal)
2. But it's legal to block us citizens from entering the country during a pandemic (factually incorrect)
3. Trump should have quarantined people too (he ordered that)
4. Trump shouldn't have dropped the travel ban (Democrats passed a bill blocking it)
5. Trump didn't quarantine enough people because his order was based on symptoms (valid criticism)

It's so frustrating though it took 20 turns for you to actually say something that was educated and not just repeating echo chamber talking points.

I agree. Also quarantining asymptomatic people would have been a good choice.

>shill continues melting down over lies they make up about democrats
kill all MAGA shills

>>1451122
Oh wow, 20 posts and you finally admit Trump's order was incorrect. Glad you can do it even as you cope with "b-but you were wrong before!" and can't hide behind CHAZ or "the dems would've been mean!" deflection.

>>1451125
>Oh wow, 20 posts and you finally admit Trump's order was incorrect
Bro like everything hind sight is 20/20, like kind of how you should be feeling like a retard right now for emitting an unending stream of easily disproven lies and propaganda, but, I don't think you have any hindsight

>>1451125
>Glad you can do it even as you cope with "b-but you were wrong before!" and can't hide behind CHAZ or "the dems would've been mean!" deflection
Also, it was somebody else you were discussing the CHAZ thing with. I'm not the only person on this board who has to suffer dealing with your deluge of factual inaccuracies and attempts to rewrite history

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1451130
>samefag meltie
lmao

>>1451131
Shut up retard, you've been btfo up and down this thread, you've been wiped across the floor of the entire board

Man up already

>>1451130
why do you always do this when you lose an argument. it just makes it more obvious

>you've been btfo up and down this thread
Check it out, the shill thinks I got BTFO up and down the thread replying to my first post ITT
lmao

>>1451134
I think he really has mental problems, part of this I think is honestly his cognitive dissonance. When he gets proven wrong repeatedly like this he defaults to doing that exact type of behavior, whereas normal mentally, healthy people at some point earlier in the discussion, after having so many of their points demonstrated to be factually incorrect, they would reconsider their viewpoint. This person instead I think uses that sort of behavior as some sort of self-protection mechanism, mentally to prevent himself from ever having to understand or admit to himself that he's factually incorrect about something