“In a state like Iowa, where many communities don’t have large food banks or pantries to fill the gap, any lapse in benefits would be catastrophic for families. My bill protects them from uncertainty and ensures that no child goes hungry because of the Schumer Shutdown,” Miller-Meeks said, in reference to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Democrats have responded to GOP concern about SNAP by pointing out that Republicans have sought in the past to slash funding to the food-aid program.

“They are now trying to reimagine themselves as the champions of federal workers — as the champions of food programs and health care — when all they have done is take an axe to all of that since they came into office?” said Rep. Katherine Clark (Mass.), the Democratic whip, on Wednesday.

It is unlikely the Miller-Meeks bill gets a stand-alone vote before any Senate action because Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) has kept the House out of session as Republicans aim to pressure Senate Democrats into accepting a “clean” funding stopgap before negotiating on health care issues.

Johnson did, however, leave the door open to bringing the House back to vote on a bill to fund SNAP if the Senate passes such a bill.

“If the Senate passes the bill, then the House will address that,” Johnson said in a press conference on Thursday.

“You’re talking about, I think it’s 42 [million] or 43 million Americans rely upon that vital service, and it’s unconscionable that they would be held at bay and held as leverage on this,” Johnson added.

>>1451603
>while Democrats try to keep it shut down
It's Republican who control congress, moron. They are the one who are keeping it shut down.

>>1451603
Republicans lit the house on fire and now want credit for calling the fire dept.

>>1451608
>>1451605
All Democrats need to do is stop blocking the Senate from voting.
It's that simple

>>1451613
>Why would anybody not submit to Donald? As a maga shill, I submit to Donald in every one of my sex fantasies and love it!

>>1451613
>Just submit and give us what we want and we'll stop holding the country hostage
That's not how government works.

>>1451637
Democrats are literally holding the country hostage.

>>1451639
Republicans could use the nuclear option and end the shutdown right this second
They could have used it weeks ago
But they refuse to do so
Which means they need sixty votes to bypass the filibuster in the Senate
A functioning majority party would work with the handful of minority party members they need, negotiate with them, and get a deal that will satisfy enough Democrats to get to 60
Instead, Republicans from the first minute of the shutdown have refused to negotiate, demanding capitulation and openly threatening to add burden to the American people until Democrats relent
Mike Johnson won't even reconvene the House until the shutdown ends, meaning even if Republicans in the Senate did negotiate an agreement, it would be meaningless because it would need to go back through the House to pass.

>>1451646
>Republicans wont destroy the filibuster
>so its their fault that Democrats are filibustering funding the government
Its a democrat shutdown. End of story.

>>1451650
if it was the end of the story you wouldn't be here spamming the same lies 100 times a week and being laughed at for it

>>1451653
Its a lie that Democrats are filibustering funding the government?

>>1451650
Dems care about millions of americans getting priced out of their health insurance. Republicans don't. End of story.

>>1451655
Yes. The truth is Republicans control everything but refuse to compromise when they need to.

>>1451656
Republicans have offered a vote on the subject as soon as the government is reopened. Generally speaking, Republicans want the credits to expire so that the American people can see just how expensive Obama care is. This would provide the justification for repealing it.

>>1451658
So, its not a lie that Democrats are filibustering the funding of our government?

>>1451650
>We refuse to use the nuclear option destroy the filibuster! It is a vital and critical part of the legislative process!
Okay, but we don't agree with the bill so we're not giving you the votes you need to overcome the filibuster
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY ARE YOU USING THE FILIBUSTER!?!!??

>>1451667
We're not complaining about Democrats using the filibuster. Its their right.

We're just point out that its not Republicans who have shut down the government, its Democrats.

>>1451661
>Republicans have offered a vote on the subject as soon as the government is reopened.
Yeah making promises after you've repeatedly broken them is doing fucking nothing. This is an issue that requires immediate action, not a vote that will likely fail immediately because Republicans WANT it to. AS YOU ADMIT.

>Generally speaking, Republicans want the credits to expire so that the American people can see just how expensive Obama care is. This would provide the justification for repealing it.
Do you not see the issue with this whole statement? You want obamacare to die so everyone sees their insurance and healthcare double and triple in price... and this will somehow convince them that obamacare is a bad thing that shouldn't exist?

>>1451669
> not a vote that will likely fail immediately because Republicans WANT it to.
Yes, its core party policy. So, the complaint is not that Republicans wont give Democrats a vote. The complaint is that Republicans are Republicans and wont do what Democrats want them to?
>You want obamacare to die so everyone sees their insurance and healthcare double and triple in price... and this will somehow convince them that obamacare is a bad thing that shouldn't exist?
Obamacare has resulted in most premiums for most people massively inflating. That's why we want to get rid of it.

>>1451672
>Obamacare has resulted in most premiums for most people massively inflating. That's why we want to get rid of it.
And killing it will result in them inflating even more. You literally just admitted to this; how does that make any sense that people would see their insurance prices go up and think "wow, I can't believe I was paying half as much under that Obamacare bullshit! I love losing more of my income to health insurance!"

>>1451673
>And killing it will result in them inflating even more
Over the short term, yes. Over the long term, no.
>"wow, I can't believe I was paying half as much under that Obamacare bullshit! I love losing more of my income to health insurance!"
You're paying the full price right now. Premiums wont "go up" they have already gone up. Its just that right now the taxpayer covers those expenses. We want a system where healthcare is affordable, and gutting obamacare is the first step to getting there.

>>1451676
i'm sure trump will do that just like he stopped warmongering, stopped the ukraine war in one day, and brought gas prices under two dollars and wasn't a blackrock stooge, and etc etc

>>1451676
>Over the short term, yes. Over the long term, no.
Very cold comfort to the people who will lose their health insurance in that time. This isn't some tax bracket; people die when they cannot afford healthcare. Why would anyone vote for them and their loved ones to risk being crippled or killed solely so that maybe in a decade or two they can afford the treatment they COULD afford today.

>>1451679
You realize the country was quite prosperous and people did just fine before Obamacare became a thing 20 years ago, right?

>>1451668
The entire point of giving a single Senator the ability to filibuster a bill, and a rule saying 60 votes can override a filibuster, is to force the different parties in the Senate to work together and negotiate an alternative that will satisfy enough of the Senate to reach 60 votes
If Republicans believe in that principle, great. By all means keep the filibuster alive.
But that means you now have to negotiate to get to 60 votes. But Republicans have refused from minute one to negotiate.
By simultaneously refusing to use the nuclear option and negotiate, Republicans are trying to have it both ways. They want Democrats to effectively give up the filibuster while simultaneously keeping the option to use it themselves in the future.
In doing so, they're putting pressure on Democrats to relent in a way that completely violates the entire spirit of the legislative process: by holding the country hostage until they get absolutely everything they want
And if it works this time, they will absolutely use this strategy every time they need 60 votes in the Senate going forward

>>1451683
>by holding the country hostage until they get absolutely everything they want
Thats exactly what Democrats are doing.

Dont do something and then blame the otherside for the thing you did.

>>1451682
Yes, of course.
The American healthcare system was perfect, efficient, and affordable until 2009, when Obama and the Democrats decided to blow it up for no reason other than to maliciously harm the American people.
There was absolutely no call for healthcare reform that Democrats were acting on, no sir.

>>1451687
>I know you are but what am I
So you're not even going to try to actually address any of the points made

>>1451682
Why was Obamacare implemented anon?

>>1451676
>Its just that right now the taxpayer covers those expenses. We want a system where healthcare is affordable, and gutting obamacare is the first step to getting there.
One of the things I don't understand when it comes to this whole healthcare conversation Is the logically inconsistent arguments I hear from the left.
On one hand, they think health insurance companies rip everyone off, but on the other hand they want to subsidize them.

That argument aside, at the end of the year, the average US worker pays about $600/Mo for healthcare for their entire family while their employer contributes on average $1750/mo for each employees health care coverage https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/22/health/health-insurance-costs-2025.html

At the end of the day, the money has to come from somewhere. If we do single payer health insurance, and leave the aforementioned 1:2 split in place of employee vs employer (which honestly I think is pretty fair) it's the same exact thing, employee is simply paying $600 a month in taxes instead of paycheck deductions, so I don't really see the difference.

>>1451691
Because people were told they could keep their doctor (they couldnt), that they could keep their plans (they couldnt), and that healthcare prices would drop (they didnt).

>>1451693
Yeah not what I asked anon. What was going on in 2009 that prompted the creation of Obamacare to begin with?

>>1451694
Either make an argument or go away.

>>1451695
I'm not making an argument. I'm asking you a question; why was Obamacare implemented in the first place? What was happening at that time that prompted it?

>>1451696
>I'm not making an argument
Yeah, that's the problem.

>>1451697
>Can't answer the question
Ok, so, I guess I do have to point an argument since you won't answer; what is stopping the same issues with healthcare costs that caused Obamacare to be created from happening again as soon as it disappears?

>>1451698
If you have an argument, make it.

>>1451701
There is no reason to repeal obamacare because the same issues that lead to it's creation will immediately happen again, and Republicans are solely trying to kill it because it was a dem idea.

>>1451702
>the same issues that lead to it's creation will immediately happen again
What are these issues?

>>1451703
Well, if you wanna know:
>Rising healthcare prices
>People being pissed their tax dollars were being spent on keeping hospitals afloat that they couldn't afford
>People were dying or being crippled because they couldn't afford basic procedures without bankrupting themselves

>>1451706
>all these things are worse now
>oh, and now its bankrupting the country too

>>1451706
>People being pissed their tax dollars were being spent on keeping hospitals afloat that they couldn't afford
No, thats a new thing largely because of Obamacare.
>People were dying or being crippled because they couldn't afford basic procedures without bankrupting themselves
No, not really. You could get excellent health insurance back in the day pretty cheap.

>>1451710
>I know, let's get rid of the last safety net and let millions of americans die
Also it's not bankrupting the country lol. If we can afford sending billions to israel and argentina for literally nothing back, we can afford Obamacare. Hell, maybe we can use some of that overbloated military budget too.

>>1451712
>No, not really. You could get excellent health insurance back in the day pretty cheap.
Anything is possible if you lie

>>1451712
>No, thats a new thing largely because of Obamacare.
Did the federal government only start funding hospitals when obamacare was implemented?

>No, not really. You could get excellent health insurance back in the day pretty cheap.
Oh now I know you're bullshitting. Please give an example of this "excellent health insurance" and how much it cost compared to now.

>>1451716
>Did the federal government only start funding hospitals when obamacare was implemented?
No, but Obamacare increased funding for hospitals, a thing that needs to regularly happen for a functional society much like minimum wage increases.

>>1451703
>>1451706
Oh right, I forgot the other major improvement from Obamacare; Health Insurance companies can't just see that you have a condition and screw you out of payment for it. People fucking killed themselves when they got diagnosis that were completely treatable but insurance would never cover, leaving their options of either poverty or death/crippling from said disease.

>>1451637
>>Just submit and give us what we want and we'll stop holding the country hostage
>That's not how government works.
Funny, that's how it worked when Biden was in office.

>>1451725
Republicans didn't shut down the country while Biden was in office, they aren't Democrats after all.

They were able to negotiate with the majority party without shutting down the government when they didn't get their way.

Once again you've been btfo with fact

>>1451721
First, thats not how it works. Second, forcing insurers to cover pre-existing conditions is one of the main drivers of everyone's premiums increasing.

>>1451713
>Also it's not bankrupting the country lol
The Democrats want to renew the ACA credits for 6% of the insured market at a cost of $700B (15% of the budget). Do the math

>>1451747
>The Democrats want to renew the ACA credits for 6% of the insured market at a cost of $700B (15% of the budget). Do the math
Yeah how dare they use the budget to protect millions of americans.

>>1451727
Because dems understood they had to give them concessions you fucking retard.

>>1451749
Yeah, and republicans know you can't concede ground to people who laughed at Charlie Kirk being killed.

>>1451752
Democrats were able to concede ground to people who made jokes about Paul Pelosi getting beaten half to death with a hammer. Sounds like Republicans are little bitches, especially considering it was their senators making the jokes vs random dems on the internet who aren't in government at all.

>>1451749
Democrats were the majority party during the first half of Biden's term, same exact thing as what's happening now.

You have been btfo Again by facts

>>1451753
Calling someone a gay because they got caught with their gay lover isn't the same as openly celebrating the death of a moderate conservative based on lies you made up in your head, you fucking retard.

Every single thing democrats do only exists under the auspices of republican tolerance, without exaggeration.

>>1451752
>laughed at Charlie Kirk being killed.
God I wish. Washington Dems have no teeth, spine, or ovaries.

>>1451755
So they were able to avoid a bad enough disagreement with Republicans to not end up with a shutdown, but Republicans can't do the same? Literally all you're showing is that Dems are better at keeping the other party content enough to avoid shutdown than Republicans.

If the Republicans truly cared about saving snap benefits they would need to bring the house back to session to actually vote on the bill. Sigh. Introducing the bill is nothing more than a stunt. No politician seems to care about actual Americans. https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/mike-johnson-shutdown-house-republicans-away-rcna238797

>>1451758
>Calling someone a gay because they got caught with their gay lover isn't the same as openly celebrating the death of a moderate conservative based on lies you made up in your head, you fucking retard.
Yeah the yaoi fanfic you wrote in your head when in reality the guy was a MAGA schizo trying to perform a 'citizen's arrest'. How about we just write Kirk's neck pain off as his discord grooming victim striking back and call things even, huh?

If my man Trump is able to exempt the big payment to Argentina, can't he just like Super Hero this and make sure American Families will have a good Thanksgiving? He the man who can do anything. Someone just needs to let him know we need it.

>>1451763
What’s in it for him?

>>1451765
Owning the Dems. It's what we do. He the Super Hero of America! Captain America!

>>1451765
>Why should the president of the US help the citizens of the US

>>1451767
Yeah, why? They wanted him to run the country like a business, and that’s what he’s doing. How does helping farmers benefit him?

>>1451770
Only Democrats are in good stamps

>>1451770
>farmers
Oops.

>>1451773
That’s not true. Even if they’re the majority, there’s still millions of republicans on them.

Do the Republicans not need to bring the house back to pass this bill? Am I missing how this will magically pass with the Republicans refusing to bring the house to order?

>>1451775
HAHAHA, No way is Mike Johnson going to bring the house back to vote on saving SNAP and risk releasing the Epstein files. He is not man enough to do that.

>>1451775
The bill that is stalled out in the Senate has already been passed by the House, so if it passes the Senate it goes to Trump
But it's already been rejected a dozen times
However, if Senate Republicans were to say "You know what, doing the same thing a dozen times hasn't worked, maybe we should negotiate and come up with something that might pass", any changes made would have to go back to the House
Which is what makes Johnson refusing to reconvene the House until the shutdown ends so insidious.
He's literally making it impossible for Senate Republicans to negotiate, even if they want to.
That, and it also lets him avoid seating a new rep who would be the final vote needed to force a bill in the House to compel the DOJ to release the Epstein files
In this sense, you could argue Mike Johnson is deliberately and single handedly dragging out the shutdown to protect a cabal of elite pedophiles

>>1451780
So the Republican Mike Johnson is single handedly ruining millions of Thanksgivings by not allowing the SNAP benefits to be voted on and not allowing Senators to negotiate and work out spending bills? Does this mean it is the Johnson Shutdown or the Big Dick Shutdown? Asking for a friend.

>>1451780
Fucking this. Dems and Repubs could make a deal right now and it wouldn't do anything for another week.

>>1451782
Little dick shutdown

>>1451782
No, its very much a Democrat shutdown.

>>1451780
>Passed the house
Indeed it did, in Feb, then again in March, then in April...
I think you see where this is going. Dems have had ample time to negotiate and they suck dick at it.

>>1451798
Correct, Republicans are shutting down the government because they have an irrational hatred of Democrats.
But its still the Republicunts fault

>>1451798
Little Johnson has entered the chat

>>1451806
There's no such thing as irrational hatred of Democrats. It's entirely logic-based hatred.

>>1451810
of course, the special logic you can only understand after smoking fentanyl that can never be explained in a logical way when you're sober

>>1451812
So Republicans like Johnson are smoking a lot of fentanyl? I get it. The high is making them run instead of acting like adults and negotiating to reopen the Government.

>>1451820
But the Democrats are negotiating for more fentanyl so I don't get what's going on.
All I know is that Democrats are actively refusing to fund the government.

>>1451824
Republicans could end this by changing the rules to simple majority vote to pass the clean CR. They have the votes... Show up the Libs and get it done, please.

>>1451824
> But the Democrats are negotiating for more fentanyl
No.
>I don't get what's going on.
Yes.

>>1451836
I don't get whats going on either.

>>1451870
Democrats are starving people.

>>1451916
you aren't american

>>1451916
Republicans want millions to lose health insurance and are willing to starve millions more to ensure the first happens. They'll let Americans suffer until they allow them to let Americans suffer in different ways.

>>1451603
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DEMONRATS!?

>>1451920
shut the fuck up op

>>1451924
ANSWER THE QUESTION WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DEMONFARTS!?!

>>1451931
>>1451920
THEY ARE THE GOOD GUYS, REPUBLIMONSTERS ARE EVIL THEY WANT EVERYONE TO STARVE AND BE OWNED BY BILLIONAIRES

>>1451637
>Just submit and give us what we want and we'll stop holding the country hostage
That is what Democrats are saying, yes. And you're right, it's unpleasant

>>1451934
mental illness is one hell of a drug
maybe you'll get help if republicunts stop pretending they have enough votes to pass a budget by themselves

>>1451935
So, is blaming Republicans helping? Does anyone believe you yet?

>>1451941
Dems are up 17 points since the shutdown.
Republicunts are already crumbling
You're melting down every single day

I'd say we're winning.

>>1451943
So? Dems are always way ahead in polling.

"athe ballroom is the president's main priority" per KKKaroline Leavitt

>>1451943
just dont shoot up a school, its only 3 more years

>>1451920
Literally all they're asking for is for republicunts to not cut healthcare to people who actually need it.

>>1451603
America, the only "first world" country where people literally starve to death lmao. Why are you okay with this muttbros?

>>1451603
why are demonfarts against food for the people are they monsters?!

>>1451603
As a proud republican I am against handing out free stuff. They won't toughen up and become men if we hand everything to them. We will just take our cut off of their work but they have to do the work themselves. No free rides!

Maga is upset that Trump is now starving them... beg for the devil, expect Hell.

>>1451965
You mean the Shanequias with 8 kids? They're definitely not going to starve. They're all so fat that they could last a year without eating

>>1451968
Why does the trophies of megacorps upset you? Behold her, she and her 8 kids brought .03% GDP increase. Money is the answer you seek. All for money.

>>1451956
Demonfarts? You mean Maga? Christ cleaned them up and they just jumped in shit like Indians, yet somehow think they don't stink... hellofva reality check coming.

Force feeding shit to people is technically feeding people, just not anything healthy.

A few months ago, Republicans made the biggest cuts in SNAP history. Now, Trump's USDA is just outright refusing to use emergency funds to keep SNAP going. Don't you fucking talk to me about Republicans trying to feed the country.

>>1452316
Why's Trump got to take extraordinary measures?
Why can't Democrats just do their fucking jobs?

>>1451603
Democrats are monsters who put illegals over Americans, its beyond disgusting, its treason.

>>1452318
Trump's not doing fucking shit right now. Word on the street is that he's spending all his non-golfing time obsessing over his retarded fucking ballroom because his brain has reverted to sleazy property developer mode.
You know what Nero did after the Great Fire of Rome, right?

>>1452327
Fucking crack head.

>>1451603
Many Americans are only now just learning that the entire Democrat political structure is organized around the mass importation of foreign nationals into historic communities, by any means and in unlimited volume

>>1452334
There was no crack in the year 70

The companies that Republicans support(bought by) want you either enslaved or dead. Maximized capitalism.

>>1452327
>Trump's not doing fucking shit right now.
He's in Malaysia right now to attend the ASEAN summit and to secure a trade deal with the Malaysians and to finalize the cease-fire between Thailand and Cambodia, he will also be having a meeting with the Brazilian PM Lula da Silva. Then on Monday he is flying to Japan to meet their new PM. Then he flies to South Korea to host the APEC summit and meet with South Korean PM Myung. The trip ends with a meeting with Xi.

Oh, and btw, while flying to Asia AF1 stopped to gas up in the UAE and he had a quick meeting with the UAE's leader on the tarmac.

Idk why you dudes cant just be real about how hard he grinds.

its time for starship troopers government

>Trump is really working hard guyz
lmao

Death to tyrants!

>>1451605
>I don't know how the US government works
then keep your uninformed foreign opinions to yourself.
>>1451646
>Republicans refusing to take the drastic step of ending the filibuster means it's their fault that the Democrats keep filibustering
are any leftists on this board over 20 years old?
>A functioning majority party would work with the handful of minority party members they need, negotiate with them, and get a deal that will satisfy enough Democrats to get to 60
Correct. And while those negotiations are going on, you pass an uncontroversial stopgap bill that keeps the government running and keeps food stamps funded. Republicans want to do that but Democrats refuse.
>>1451667
because ending the filibuster is fucking stupid you child, Jesus Christ do any Zoomers have a clue how politics works? The filibuster is there to force sides to negotiate and avoid political extremism. But it requires the other side not to be stubborn babies who would rather see America collapse than negotiate in good faith.

>>1452390
>And while those negotiations are going on
Why are you such a massive, lying faggot?
Its sad that you waste so much time with objectively shitty lies on this board and don't even get paid for it

>>1452392
awww it's babby's first shutdown!

>>1452390
>an uncontroversial stopgap bill
That eliminates healthcare subsides for millions of Americans

>>1452397
right, so negotiate that part later because if you don't pass anything those subsidies still go away. In the meantime, pass the shit that you agree on. Or do you not agree with food stamps?

>>1452400
>Just trust the party that has literally eliminated the ability to negotiate during the shutdown to negotiate in good faith later
No

>>1452394
>its not a clean CR
>there isn't nothing to negotiate
>why are you remembering things, lib? that was last week!
lmao, most people would kill themselves instead of advertising their brain problems like you are

>>1452401
They've been negotiating since February.

>>1452400
>so negotiate that part later because if you don't pass anything those subsidies still go away. In the meantime, pass the shit that you agree on.
Sounds good. Tell Mike Johnson to reverse his proclamation that he won't reopen the House until the shutdown ends, otherwise that's an impossibility. If the Senate alters any aspect of the bill by parsing it out like that, it has to get approved by the House before it can go to Trump.

>>1452418
No, gotta pass the 'clean cr'
Republicunts can't negotiate until they get rid of any reason to negotiate, then they just don't negotiate.

>>1452426
Yes because there is literally nothing to negotiate. Its been 20 something days of you retards getting the same fucking answer.

1452460
>democrats won't negotiate
>there's nothing to negotiate
you're mixing up your scripts, shillbot

>>1452460
Probably because that answer is bullshit.

>>1451603
democrats put illegals over citizens, they are the traitor party

>>1452400
>Right winger: Democrats are being unreasonable and it's going to lead to a lapse in food stamps! Just pass the parts of the bill we can agree on and negotiate the rest later!
>>1452418
>Left winger: Okay, tell Mike Johnson to reopen the House so we can work out an amended carve out of the CR
>>1452460
>Right winger: No, there's nothing to negotiate! GIVE US EVERYTHING WE WANT OR WE PULL THE PLUG ON FOOD STAMPS!
The logical cul de sac that is the modern Republican party, ladies and gentlemen

>>1451603
Senate Democrats voted to keep the government shutdown 12 times this month so far.
The American people are hostage to Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries' poll numbers and putting illegals over citizens.

>>1452485
>Beep boop, deploy empty talking point 4827

>>1452481
Except the Republicans don't "want" anything with their CR (H.R. 5371).

Biden & Co used budget reconciliation to pass the American Rescue Plan Act in 2021 (strictly along party lines) to expand Affordable Care Act subsidies and expand Child Tax Credits and then extended them (again strictly along party lines) with the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022.

The Republican CR lets those expansions to the programs expire as originally specified in those budget reconciliations. Those expirations were required in order to not violate the Byrd Rule, which keeps major policy changes from being passed with 51 votes in budget reconciliations and bypassing the filibuster.

Democrats added a Division B to their Broader CR that would permanently amend the tax code in their Broader CR (S. 2882) to make those "temporary" expansions to those programs permanent.

Extensions or expansions to programs included in CR's are normal. Using a CR to permanently amend the Internal Revenue Code on multi-billion-dollar items is not.

Whether you agree with the amendments to the Child Tax Credits (If you have 6 kids and 0 tax liability from not working all year, you get $19,800/year paid out as $1,650/month with no work requirements, for example) or amendments to the ACA (This one doesn't bother me as much as the CTC modifications), the process they are using is totally fucked and absolutely unreasonable.

Debate on changing things like that in their own merits, not as requirements to fund the government. This shouldn't even be about whether or not you "like" the extensions - it's about the correct process of passing laws.

>>1452514
>Debate on changing things like that in their own merits
The merit is that making the expansions permanent will let the government be reopened.

>>1452514
>I don't understand governance involves horse trading: the post

>>1452534
While “We will burn your house down if you don’t give us your horse” is technically horse trading, shooting the person on your porch making those terms is the appropriate response. Inviting them in to fuck your (male) wife first before giving him your horse and house is probably more your speed, though. Then you can start a social program about how you failed them.

>>1452531
Eh. Poor country people are more likely to figure out how to get by without the government handouts while also managing to not burn down their entire towns. Time will tell about the big cities.

>>1452544
>We will burn your house down if you don’t give us your horse
Republicans aren't owed government funding. Them not getting it isn't Dems burning their house down. Dems don't have to do anything for Rs to get no funding.

And if you want to act like it is comparable, then Republicans should be shot for refusing to fund SNAP?

>Inviting them in to fuck your (male) wife first before giving him your horse and house is probably more your speed, though.
Nah, when someone makes demands of me, I let them impotently screech unless they're willing to make a trade I'm interested in.

Keep screeching and see how far it gets you though.