“That’s a sign that the controllers are wearing thin,” Duffy said.

According to the FAA, air traffic control staffing issues had already been reported on Sunday for Chicago and Newark flights.

“This shutdown has real consequences for these hard-working American patriots,” said Nick Daniels, President of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA), in a statement last week. “With each passing day, controllers become more distracted by the risk of receiving a zero-dollar paycheck on 28 October, despite working 40 hours per week and, in many cases, mandatory overtime due to the controller staffing shortage.”

Duffy noted air traffic controllers have been taking on second jobs to try to supplement the lost income.

“They’re taking second jobs, they’re out there looking,” he said.

“For every day the government is shut down and employees in the aviation ecosystem are still furloughed, another layer of safety may be peeled away,” added Spero. “The furloughed employees want to be back on the job, all of the employees need to be paid and they want to start actively contributing to the modernization of the air traffic control system. We call on Congress to open the government as soon as possible.”

>>1452482
Senate Democrats voted to keep the government shutdown 12 times this month so far.
The American people are hostage to Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries' poll numbers and putting illegals over citizens.

Democrats should vote to end the shutdown then. Also, it's hilarious that the shill posting this thread is also unironically calling you a nazi

>>1452484
Then negotiate with them. Do your fucking jobs.

>>1452482
It really would be great if the Democrats ended the shutdown, they're willing to let the country burn

>>1452487
Republicans control the congress. At any time they could pass a CR and end this all.

>>1452490
>Republicans control the congress. At any time they could pass a CR and end this all.
You know what's super weird about that whole thing is that's exactly what they've been trying to do, but Democrats have been filibustering them and shutting down the government rather than letting anyone actually vote on a cr

>>1452484
>>1452486
>>1452488
>6 AM in New Dehli time
GOOD MORNING SAARS! HOW WAS YOUR WEEKEND?

>>1452491
Weird spin on republicans refusing to compromise.

>>1452491
They could use the nuclear option to bypass the filibuster at any second

>>1452494
They've stated repeatedly they're willing to compromise just not when the government is being held hostage

>>1452495
They probably will in all honest, if that's what it takes to stop Democrat-induced food rioting I'm pretty certain they'll do it, because people aren't just going to not eat

>>1452498
That doesn't make any sense. They're the ones holding it hostage by refusing to negotiate.

>>1452498
>we're totally willing to compromise, bro
>just first give up your leverage so we don't actually have to
>trust

>>1452482
>The Trump administration warned flight disruptions are expected to increase as they drag the shutdown on.
>as *they* drag the shutdown on
lol at this biased reporting. Republicans proposed solutions that would allow services like this to continue while they negotiate other parts of the budget. Democrats are the ones insisting on a shutdown.
>>1452490
>>1452495
>I'm a foreigner and/or underage
why should I care about your opinion then? Neither of you are a voting-age American citizen.

>>1452501
Democrats are doing a shutdown to energize their base. Republicans OBVIOUSLY aren't going to help them.

lrn2politik

>>1452503
>Republicans OBVIOUSLY aren't going to help them.
Maybe they would if they actually gave a shit about this country and it's people. But they OBVIOUSLY don't, so.

>>1452503
But Republicans could end the shutdown whenever they want. Why are they helping Democrats energize their base?

>>1452504
>help democrats energize their base right before midterms and at a time when democrats are polling in the gutter
No thanks.

>>1452505
When Democrats fold, as they will, it will destroy whatever momentum they have.

>>1452507
>run the country properly
>"No thanks."
Yeah, I know. That's the problem with you.

>>1452488
It takes two to tango. Don't hate the dancers, hate the song.

>>1452507
Gotta agree. They'll fold, it is part of the plan, just have to justify cutting help for Americans. It is all a show.

>>1452507
>When Democrats fold, as they will, it will destroy whatever momentum they have.
Disagree. When millions of people see their healthcare costs skyrocket as a direct result of Republicans, and see Democrats fought against it until Republicans brought the country to the brink, the result will be a blue wave that makes 2008 look like a ripple

>>1452508
>>run the country properly
>>"No thanks."
I again remind you that it is Democrats who are literally voting (11 times so far) to prevent the country being run.

>>1452513
> the result will be a blue wave that makes 2008 look like a ripple
Democrat generic ballot currently at +1. At this time in 2008 it was +11.

>>1452516
you sure are a broken record, shill faggot. why don't you want the epstein files released

>>1452517
>you sure are a broken record
>why don't you want the epstein files released
The irony of this post.

>>1452516
>Democrat generic ballot currently at +17
fixed it for you

>>1452518
don't fuck any kids ok shill

>>1452519
Oh, my bad, its +2.6
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/generic-congressional-vote

>>1452521
>visual representation of republicunts losing
doesn't look like anything abnormal really

>>1452524
Okay, compare todays +2.6 to this time on each of the Blue Wave years.
>they are 8-12 points behind where they should be.

>>1452521
>>1452525
Generic ballots don't tell you anything.

>>1452525
>>1452526
D goes up
R goes down
American's aren't buying republicunts shutdown logic

I love that the Republicans decided to do all this around the holidays. No food, no travel, nothing but slave work with no benefits and then someone steals from your check and then you have to pay for your prison cell and food,, then you're broke and still a slave. Land of Opportunity, my ass. Bunch of greedy fucks have taken control.

>>1452527
The public generally bases their opinion by who is in power and how things are doing. Republicans are in power and things are shitty and trending shittier.

Hence, the Republicans will be blamed for all of this. Why they aren't reopening the government, taking credit for that and then publicly talking tariff stimulus checks for all Americans in beyond me.

Thats standard GOP operating procedure. Lie and bribe the public.

>>1452482
>ufos

>>1452594
>things are shitty and trending shittier.
Were you asleep the past few years?

>>1452611
We know you love being strangled to death by billionaire cock, but we're not all shills anon

>>1452614
What?

>>1452482
Can't Democrats just at least agree to let the critical stuff funded already while the other stuff is worked out?
ffs they are going scorched earth on their own country

>>1452623
Republicans are refusing that sort of scheme. Dems have offered.

>>1452628
No, objective reality is different than what you just claimed. Republicans tried to get essential workers paid for the government and Democrats shot it down.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5569779-bill-pay-military-essential-workers-shutdown/
>Democrats block bill to pay military, essential workers during shutdown

I know you were just trying to add a spin on things, but this is easily verifiable fact

>>1452623
>Can't Democrats just at least agree to let the critical stuff funded already while the other stuff is worked out?
That sounds like a great plan.
Too bad Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is literally making that impossible to do by refusing to reconvene the House until the shutdown is over.
Meaning any carve out the Senate might agree to as you suggest can't go back to the House to be ratified.

>>1452630
>Republicans present bill to unconstitutionally hand the power of the purse to the executive branch
>Won't even go anywhere if passed because Johnson refuses to reopen the House
>OMG WHY WON'T DEMOCRATS AGREE TO THIS!?!?!?

>>1452631
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5569779-bill-pay-military-essential-workers-shutdown/
>Democrats block bill to pay military, essential workers during shutdown
Damn it, that darn Mike Johnson

>>1452632
>present bill to unconstitutionally hand the power of the purse to the executive branch
SOURCE!??

>>1452634
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/3012
Read the actual bill. It grants the executive the ability to allocate Treasury funds to federal agencies without Congressional approval.
That literally violates Article 1 of the Constitution

>>1452634
And again, if Mike Johnson refuses to reopen the House until the shutdown is over, how is the House supposed to pass that bill even if Senate Democrats approved it?

Why is this board acting like a /pol/ colony?

>>1452640
Shills do not respect the borders between boards

>>1452637
I really feel like you're gaslighting me here.
If you could help me and point out where it says the president allocates any funds, that would be great because it clearly doesn't say that at all
This bill provides appropriations to pay federal employees who work during a government shutdown.

Specifically, the bill provides appropriations for federal agencies to provide standard rates of pay, allowances, pay differentials, benefits, and other payments to excepted employees for work performed during any period in which interim continuing appropriations or full-year appropriations are not in effect for a fiscal year (i.e., a government shutdown). An excepted employee is an employee who is required to work during a government shutdown.

Under current law, excepted employees are not paid until the government shutdown is over. This bill provides appropriations to pay excepted employees during a government shutdown. The bill also specifies that the term excepted employee includes certain contractors who support federal employees during a government shutdown and members of the Armed Forces who are on active duty.

A federal agency may not use the funds provided by this bill during any period in which continuing appropriations are in effect for the purpose of paying excepted employees of the agency.

The bill must take effect as if it had been enacted on September 30, 2025.

>>1452637
Yeah here's the actual full text of the bill and not the summary you link to

It literally doesn't say anything that you claim it says: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5801/text/ih?format=txt

The FAA ATC Academy is one of the few federal operations that have not lowered their standards. In fact, they increase along with the technology.

I expect Trump to replace them and force them to hire more people no matter what, and truly fuck up our air travel system.

>>1452645
But all of that is totally irrelevant anyway, because, as you have yet to acknowledge, a bill that passes the Senate must also pass the House to go to the President, and Mike Johnson has refused to reopen the House until the shutdown ends.

>>1452645
Reposting with fixed formatting
>If you could help me and point out where it says the president allocates any funds
Never said president, I said the executive, which it does.
The relevant text:
>>Appropriations.--For fiscal year 2026, and any fiscal year thereafter, for any period during which interim continuing appropriations or full-year appropriations for that fiscal year are not in effect for an agency, there are appropriated to the head of the agency, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, such sums as are necessary to provide standard rates of pay, allowances, pay differentials, benefits, and other payments otherwise payable on a regular basis to excepted employees of the agency with respect to any period of excepted work performed by the excepted employees.
and
> Charging to Full-Year Appropriations.--Obligations or expenditures made by the head of an agency pursuant to subsection (b) shall be charged to the applicable appropriation for the agency whenever a regular appropriation bill or a measure making continuing appropriations until the end of the applicable fiscal year for the agency becomes law.
Basically, in the event of a shutdown, the Treasury secretary will have sole discretion to dole out unallocated treasury funds.
It also compels whatever funds are used be retroactively charged to the relevant departments once a bill is passed.
In essence, during a shutdown, the Treasury Department will be given a credit card to spend whoever much money they want on whatever they want, with no congressional oversight, and they can just send Congress the bill after the fact.
The Treasury Department falls under the umbrella of the Executive branch.
Therefore, this bill would effectively give the Executive branch a way to bypass Congress entirely and spend however they want in case of a shutdown.
A clear violation of Article 1.

>>1452640
It's more /k/ and sharty

>>1452660
How can they end the shutdown if he won't convene the House to vote to end the shutdown?

>>1452754
House passed the CR.

>>1452756
They didn't pass one that democrats they need can vote for.

>>1452756
But they did not pass the stopgap being discussed in this reply chain
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>>1452634
>>1452637
>>1452645
>>1452660
Which an anon was trying to point to as proof Republicans are trying to pay government employees during the shutdown
The fact that Mike Johnson refuses to reopen the House means even if Dems had voted in favor, it would be dead in the water because it couldn't be voted on by the House

>>1452756
Yeah why can't the senate pass the CR?

>>1452896
Democrats won't let anyone vote on it

>>1452482
I've got a solution:

Stop using the government to fund things that should be private enterprise. Make the airlines pay for the air traffic controllers. Why aren't they already responsible for these costs?

Oh, because the government subsidizes the fuck out of every single part of the airlines' business model. It's why they're "too big to fail."

Fuck taxes paying for airlines any more. End it.

>>1452900
so you don't have a solution

>>1452902
Stop subsidizing the rich, faggot.

That's my solution.

>>1452903
And then watch the agricultural and travel sectors of the economy fall overnight.

>>1452903
your "solution" would gatekeep commercial airlines to the rich alone and result in demand destruction

>>1452905
You should join the Olympics for the long jump, because claiming that airlines should pay for air traffic controllers would result in no demand for airlines and only rich people flying is one hell of a huge jump

>>1452904
>Only about 0.16% of food miles in global agriculture are attributed to air travel, meaning that the vast majority of food is transported by other means, primarily by sea.
Try again, faggot.

>>1452905
No, it would have very little overall effect on the poor population's ability to access airlines.

It would have a big overall cost effect on rich people who use planes to go everywhere, which is a very, very small percentage of the population whom presumably should be paying for their own travel costs.

>>1452908
what's it like never being taken seriously

>>1452908
>Try again, faggot.
Nigga you do not understand how either of these industries work.
Farming extremely volatile. One bad season can destroy the majority of America's farms.
Air travel would be unprofitable unless it was subsidized. So would the rail industry. So don't be retarded please.

>>1452909
Leftist shitbags arguing that taxpayers should prop up corporate airlines because they believe Donald Trump will be held responsible for the government shutdown is peak.

Please, demonstrate more often that you have no idea what first principles are. Saying literally anything to win current argument is not a long term strategy.

>>1452912
>Air travel would be unprofitable unless it was subsidized.
Then raise the price, dumbass. What's wrong with you? The reason the price is artificially low is because taxpayers are forced to pay for these services that most of them can't use on a regular basis.

There's nothing essential about flying on a plane. I haven't done it in quite a few years. The government shouldn't be involved.

>>1452917
(cont)
Privatizing the profits and publicizing the losses are a known recipe for system failure, time after time. The idea that these corporate airlines can effectively operate tax-free, tax-subsidized and completely risk-free at tax payer expense should be an obvious problem to anyone who isn't retarded. These airlines operate at a loss or thin positive margin, while their "separate legal entity" rewards programs corporations operate with huge annual profits, all driven at tax payers' expense.

Stop the scam.

the mental illness level on this board is skyrocketing right now

>>1452917
>There's nothing essential about flying on a plane.
kek
Yeah alright faggot

>>1452482
Quick put a bunch of unqualified brown people in the booth and have them start directing traffic