Uncertainty remains for many SNAP recipients

The court wrangling prolonged weeks of uncertainty for the food program that serves about 1 in 8 Americans, mostly with lower incomes.

An individual can receive a monthly maximum food benefit of nearly $300 and a family of four up to nearly $1,000, although many receive less than that under a formula that takes into consideration their income. For many SNAP participants, it remains unclear exactly how much they will receive this month, and when they will receive it.

Jasmen Youngbey of Newark, New Jersey, waited in line Friday at a food pantry in the state’s largest city. As a single mom attending college, Youngbey said she relies on SNAP to help feed her 7-month-old and 4-year-old sons. But she said her account balance was at $0.

“Not everybody has cash to pull out and say, ‘OK, I’m going to go and get this,’ especially with the cost of food right now. It’s now possible,” she said.

Tihinna Franklin, a school bus guard who was waiting in the same line outside the United Community Corporation food pantry, said her SNAP account balance was at 9 cents and she was down to three items in her freezer. She typically relies on the roughly $290 a month in SNAP benefits to help feed her grandchildren.

“If I don’t get it, I won’t be eating,” she said. “My money I get paid for, that goes to the bills, rent, electricity, personal items. That is not fair to us as mothers and caregivers.”
The legal battle over SNAP takes another twist

Because of the federal government shutdown, the Trump administration originally had said SNAP benefits would not be available in November. However, two judges ruled last week that the administration could not skip November’s benefits entirely because of the shutdown. One of those judges was U.S. District Judge John J. McConnell Jr., who ordered the full payments Thursday.

In both cases, the judges ordered the government to use one emergency reserve fund containing more than $4.6 billion to pay for SNAP for November but gave it leeway to tap other money to make the full payments, which cost between $8.5 billion and $9 billion each month.

On Monday, the administration said it would not use additional money, saying it was up to Congress to appropriate the funds for the program and that the other money was needed to shore up other child hunger programs.

Thursday’s federal court order rejected the Trump administration’s decision to cover only 65% of the maximum monthly benefit, a decision that could have left some recipients getting nothing for this month.

In its court filing Friday, Trump’s administration contended that Thursday’s directive to fund full SNAP benefits runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution.

“This unprecedented injunction makes a mockery of the separation of powers. Courts hold neither the power to appropriate nor the power to spend,” the U.S. Department of Justice wrote in its request to the court.

In response, attorneys for the cities and nonprofits challenging Trump’s administration said the government has plenty of available money and the court should “not allow them to further delay getting vital food assistance to individuals and families who need it now.”
States are taking different approaches to food aid

Some states said they stood ready to distribute SNAP money as quickly as possible.

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services said people who normally receive benefits early in each month should get their full SNAP allotment within 48 hours of funds becoming available, and others should receive their full benefits on their regularly scheduled dates.

I'm betting trump raided the emergency SNAP benefits and pocketed the money. This is why he's just ignoring the courts, they'd find out what he did if he was forced to do his job.

Meanwhile, North Carolina’s Department of Health and Human Services said that partial SNAP benefits were distributed Friday, based on the Trump administration’s previous decision. Officials in Illinois and North Dakota also said they were distributing partial November payments, starting as soon as Friday.

In Missouri, the Department of Social Services said Friday that it was awaiting further federal guidance. Meanwhile, St. Louis Mayor Cara Spencer urged people to donate to a newly created local fund for emergency food assistance

Amid the federal uncertainty, Delaware’s Democratic Gov. Matt Meyer said the state used its own funds Friday to provide the first of could be a weekly relief payment to SNAP recipients.

Connecticut’s Democratic Gov. Ned Lamont said Friday that he authorized about $72 million of surplus state funds to provide the equivalent of full SNAP benefits for November. People should get the money within four days.

“This herky-jerky back and forth is driving people crazy,” Lamont said. “Let’s take care of people. We can afford to do it.”

>>1455563
Do you ever get tired of your looney left wing conspiracy theories?
Soon we'll be hearing about Republican space lasers and stuff.

>>1455566
Right, enough conspiracy theories, let's stick to facts.
Like the fact that the Trump administration is literally, actively fighting in court to make sure Americans go hungry on Thanksgiving.

>>1455566
Imagine being this out of touch.

>>1455566
The only alternative makes you look worse, trump just wants to murder children by starving them.
But then fascist right has already been anti-child so that's on brand for you in actively starving innocent children.

>>1455566
Sure, that's a conspiracy theory.

So now, please explain who benefits from intentionally withholding funding whose purpose is feeding impoverished Americans?

>>1455591
No one. But that doesn't matter.
Republicans have moved past the "Hurt Americans as much as possible and hope Democrats take the blame" phase and into the "Openly hurt Americans as much as possible to punish them for not supporting us anymore" phase.

>>1455591
Democrats are holding them hostage for ACA funding, because they know that a replacement for the ACA won't be likely in the future.
Now they're proposing that the government fund ACA subsidies for 1 year while negotiating a long term solution.
It's literally about gibs for migrants.

>>1455600
I always love how Republican constantly use the nazi Big Lie tactic on /news/ thinking if they repeat their lies long enough people will just accept them as the truth.
Majority of the people are ignoring the Republican propaganda blasted out by the conservatively biased media like fox news and CBS and rightfully blame republicans and trump for the trump shut down and will blame republicans and trump for starving american children while he throws a gatsby party for the rich.
But you know this.

>>1455600
>>1455602
Literally no one outside of this board and trump think tanks actually believe the bullshit line that this shut down is the fault of the Democrats.

>>1455604
Everyone believes that

>>1455602
>repeat their lies
Chuck Schumer said that's what they wanted two hours ago.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt72yh2p3Q

>>1455605
That's why Trump's approval rating is collapsing by the day and Democrats won every election on Tuesday, right?

>>1455609
>Trump's approval rating
>Orange man bad in New York and Virginia

>>1455608
That sounds like a perfectly reasonable compromise that lets everyone save face
Have Republicans agreed to it yet?

>>1455613
>perfectly reasonable
But I thought it was a right wing nazi conspiracy though?

>>1455612
And Pennsylvania, and Georgia
Or are we hand-waving those as blue states?
Please tell me we're hand-waving those as blue states.

>>1455614
What set off that reaction was probably
>>1455600
>It's literally about gibs for migrants.
This line. Which is, in fact, a right wing conspiracy/ lie.

>>1455616
How is it a lie?

>>1455605
Maybe in your bubble. To most of the world it's a ridiculous farce. The Republicans made the stance that they want every single policy done exactly how they want and if the Democrats don't just bend over and give up every single position they have then the shut down is 100% Democrat's fault. It's so childish I don't know how anyone can take that shit show seriously.

>>1455608
Make sure the poor gets health care
Where's the problem with that?

>>1455617
I didn't hear Schumer mention immigrants once in his speech.

>>1455613
Republicans instantly rejected it because they are pro murdering America and heathcare goes against the Republican's platform
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-shutdown-offer-aca-subsidies_n_690e4e38e4b0dd4ea75b831a

>>1455621
You thought it was a conspiracy 45 min ago, so I guess this a learning day for you.

>>1455623
Fix your bot Rajesh, that reply didn't even make sense.

>>1455612
Are you pretending to be this stupid or does it come naturally? The way an approval rating works is you call a thousand or whatever people and ask them in this case if they think Trump has been doing a good job and you record the amount of people who say yes and the people who say no. Then a few months later you do the same thing. So when someone's approval rating is going down, as Trump's has been quite dramatically, it means that statistically some of the people they called six months ago who said he was doing a good job are now saying he isn't doing a good job. That's not "orange man bad" it's "this politician I used to support is clearly screwing me over or not doing what I want so now I don't support him" Trump had a lot of low income supporters or farmers who they now realize he gives absolutely no shits about.

>>1455605
Not even Trump believes that
>"I think if you read the pollsters, the shutdown was a big factor, negative for the Republicans," Trump said at a breakfast with Republican senators Wednesday.
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/06/nx-s1-5600150/shutdown-politics-election-filibuster-trump

>>1455560
>democrats defund government
>SNAP runs out
>Republicans did this

>>1455627
>SNAP has funds for exactly this scenario
>Republicans refuse to let them use them

>>1455627
>Republicans control the house, senate and presidency
>It's everyone else's fault!
Conservatives are the master of being the aggressor and paying the victim

>>1455629
Republicans literally cannot use them because SNAP has been defunded. Legally, the program no longer exists.

>>1455631
>Democrats have voted 11 times to prevent the government being funded
>Republicans did this

>>1455635
You should really get in the habit of reading the article of the post you've been assigned.
It proves your first point to be completely factually wrong, and kills the argument of your second point entirely. When the Republican president is actively fighting against distributing SNAP benefits despite a court order to do so, you can't blame that on Democrats.

>>1455639
Court order is wrong and will be overturned on appeal. Like they all are.

Its not complicated there are two issues
1.
>Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 creates SNAP but does not give it a set budget
>budget is set by Congressional appropriation
>the money congress has appropriated has all been spent
>the money that remains has not been appropriated for SNAP spending.
You're asking the Federal Government to ignore separation of power issues.

2.
>Even if it could be spent SNAP costs $8B per month, but there is only 6B saved.
>SNAP money gets divided among the states
>Government wants to reduce the spending so that they can meet all obligations to all states
>the new order means that they (1) cannot divide it out and (2) must give all of it out this month which will result in them totally running out of money while also not making sure all states get what they need
You're saying that the Courts have the right to set policy for the Executive. Another separation of powers issue.

You retards are burning down the Republic all because of Trump. You're not thinking about a future where there is no Trump and Republicans get to use the precedent set in Court against you.

>>1455639
>When the Republican president is actively fighting against distributing SNAP benefits despite a court order to do so, you can't blame that on Democrats
Well, he can, but he will only be made fun of for it

>>1455641
>we'll make fun of him
Only extremely feminized people give a shit that someone somewhere may be making fun of them.

>>1455642
I wouldn't call Trump that feminine. Nor most MAGAs, really.

>>1455635
>Republicans have majority
This is the trump down for a reason

>>1455643
>no u
Get better material.

>>1455640
Proof for any of this? More than trump is already acting like a dictator and tearing down the white house to build his new pedophile base.

>>1455646
You think the President is being a dictator, so the smart thing to do is instead have random judges be dictators?

How do you think this will work out for you when someone you like is in office? Do you think Republicans dont have judges either?

>>1455650
All the more reason to enact judicial reform and get rid of every judicial activist federalist society judge. From the lowest courts to the Supreme Court.
Say no to dictator judges and dictators like trump.

>>1455650
>You think the President is being a dictator, so the smart thing to do is instead have random judges be dictators?
You're one of those people who call democracy "tyranny of the majority" then stop responding when someone asks what the alternative is, aren't you?

>>1455650
The judges aren't being dictators, they are saying the law shpuld be followed even when a dictator says the law should be ignored because the result might not favour him.

>>1455650
Well Dem candidates don't constantly try to break the law like Trump is. Trump's the only President to go this far and constantly break laws that are so obvious any judge can point out his orders and decrees aren't lawful, and of course as per the constitution and law, unlawful orders are not valid ones.

>>1455640
SNAP has an emergency fund from their previous budget, and they literally have policy LAID OUT that says they should use it when the government is shut down and unable to approve their next budget. The White House deleted it off SNAP's site, but fortunately nothing is ever really gone from the internet
>https://web.archive.org/web/20251001024645/https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fy2026-usda-lapse-plan.pdf

>>Even if it could be spent SNAP costs $8B per month, but there is only 6B saved.
That would still be enough for 2-3 weeks though, which is much better than nothing for those people.

This is not a "DEMS WANT TO VOID SEPERATION OF POWERS!" issue. It is settled policy for how SNAP is supposed to operate in the event of a shutdown, which the Trump admin is denying. All so they can use the starvation of the American people as pressure on dems, because clearly they do not care about them themselves.

>>1455663
>The White House deleted it off SNAP's site

And that's all you need to know, folks.

>>1455629
To be fair if you read the article it says that they're willing to spend the entire contingency fund that snap has which is less than full benefits for everyone (6 vs 8 billion) and so they're asking the judge to reconsider the order so that they spend what's available in the contingency fund

>>1455663
>The White House deleted it off SNAP's site,
The fact that the fascist right on this board are resorting to projection since it's trump and republicans once again destroying the separation of powers.

>>1455629
The first word in SNAP is Supplemental.

>>1455663
>That would still be enough for 2-3 weeks though, which is much better than nothing for those people.
Isn't that exactly what they propose? Using the contingency funds to pay people like 65% of the benefits because that's what was available?
I mean I think it's past proposal I think that's literally what's happening

Emergency money is meant for actual emergencies, not Democrats refusing to allow the program to operate

>>1455675
>Democrats refusing to allow the program to operate
This is false.

>>1455675
>What's that? You're starving?
>But is it an EMERGENCY though?

>>1455679
>>1455678
Just vote yes and the program resumes tomorrow. Republicans are not asking for anything

>>1455652
>judicial reform
>get rid of the ones I dont like
>keep the ones I like
Into the trash it goes.

>>1455657
Trump is undefeated so far this year in the courts. That should tell you something.

>>1455662
>He says in a thread where the Judges ruling is 101% going to be insta-stayed on appeal

>>1455663
>SNAP has an emergency fund from their previous budget
Which is not appropriated
>and they literally have policy LAID OUT
Its the executives prerogative how to set policy, not the courts.
>This is not a "DEMS WANT TO VOID SEPERATION OF POWERS!" issue.
Its almost entirely a seperation of powers issue. A single district court judge is deciding appropriations (congressional power) and policy (executive power)

>>1455560
No, he's not stopping Americans from feeding themselves. Parasitic vermin are milking workers for their cash cos they can't keep their legs closed and pump out kids like a possum. They all deserve to starve to death.

>>1455687
>It's okay to keep the corrupt judges because they enact my side's agenda.
All the more reason we need judicial reform.

BTW, the Republican Supreme Court just rubber stamped trump's plan to starve and murder children.

>>1455687
>Its the executives prerogative how to set policy, not the courts.
The policy is already there. The court is merely pointing out what the Trump admin is trying to do is not legal.

BTW, Trump admin is not undefeated in court. See them saying "he's never coming back" to Garcia, their attempt to prosecute sandwich guy, and, oh right, that attempt to use the Alien Enemies Act that had them inform Trump he can't just deport people en masse without trial.

>>1455696
Glad to see they're making it so no one will miss them when they're forcibly removed. Corrupt fucks should be tried themselves.

>>1455697
>The policy is already there
Its been changed.
>Trump admin is not undefeated in court. See them saying "he's never coming back" to Garcia
Dude got deported.

>>1455704
>Dude got deported.
1. He came back
2. Still has yet to be deported again because every judge can see right through the Trump admin trying to silence him
3. Trump admin lied about him being a gang member

>>1455696
>>1455698
In all fairness, it's a two day pause on any action while they get all the eggs in a basket to actually look at it legally.

>>1455680
They are asking to remove 35 billion dollars worth of healthcare coverage from the people who need it most. They are also refusing to negotiate on this front and won't even fucking show up in Washington while the Democrats have been staying there, ready and waiting to actually Do Politics.

He also ignores Americans in distress even when right in front of him. Estimated corporate mafia leader ever. Record profits, woo-hoo!

>>1455725
No, these aren't people who need it most.
This affects people 200-400% above FPL, numbnut.

>>1455711
Congratulations on your efforts to keep the wife-beating illegal immigrant with gang affiliations in the country.

>>1455725
There is nothing to negotiate because no Republican has ever voted for the credits and no Republican will ever vote for it. Its like Republicans shutting down the government because Democrats wont help pass a federal abortion ban.

BURN BABY BURN

>>1455712
Yeah, just tell poor Americans not to eat for 2 days as trump illegally withholds funds.
This is why the justice system in America is a joke and needs reform badly.

>>1455744
>just tell poor Americans not to eat for 2 days as .
Dems could end it right now by funding SNAP
>trump illegally withholds funds
Nothing illegal about what the Executive is doing.

>>1455746
>Give into Republican terrorist demands of murdering Americans by stealing their health care.
Republicans could end this now by restoring health care, but they just rejected that offer
>Illegally withholding aready allocated funds isn't illegeal
I mean we all know Republicans are pro rich, anti child and pro murder. The good thing is even the public has caught on through all the far right propaganda that controls the conservatively biased media.
The longer this drags on, the more people are going to hold trump responsible since he's the one starving children as he acts like a king stealing the wealth of the country.

>>1455748
>Republican terrorist demands of murdering Americans
Democrats are the ones who voted to have them expire....
>WORDSWORDSWORDS
Yeah, okay.

>>1455744
>Illegally
No. Not at all. Nice soapboxing though.

>>1455748
>JUST GIVE THE FUKING INSURANCE COMPANIES THE FUCKING MONEY!!!
No.

>>1455749
>>1455753
>>1455754
Just post once next time, ok shill

>>1455749
>>1455754
>>1455753
>Just give into the demands of republican terrorists or they'll murder even more Americans than planned.

>>1455758
Democrats designed the credits to expire....

>>1455760
>Republican terrorists blaming everyone else for the fact they're stealing healthcare and food from children
Classic

>>1455775
>this is essential, these children NEED this healthcare, thats why we are going to make it a law that it... expires every couple of years
'kay

>>1455775
Not essential. Not poors. The tax credits are available for those up to 400% above the federal poverty level currently.

>>1455777
>>1455777
>It's okay for republicans to murder this group of americans by stealing their healthcare and starving them
This is why you got BTFO in the last election in both blue and red states.

>>1455779
No one is stealing healthcare.
And can you explain the left wing support for both murdering a UHC CEO and pumping trillions to insurers via government funds?
I don't get it.

>>1455780
>No one is stealing healthcare.
>It's just that millions of Americans will see their insurance prices double to triple and be priced out of healthcare
Also, love how right-wing influencers keep pretending like the UHC ceo getting got didn't have bipartisan appeal. No one likes fucking vultures who condemn people to a preventable death for a quick buck.

>>1455779
>>this is essential, these children NEED this healthcare, thats why we are going to make it a law that it... expires every couple of years

>>1455780
>>1455781
>Now just resorting to lies
Stop stealing healthcare.
Also don't forget it was MAGA who killed the CEO. So once again the fascist right will murder people and then blame everyone else for for their crimes
Very fascist, very turmp like
Just like how the fascist right republicans are murdering children by stealing their healthcare and starving them as trump continues to rob the people and live like a king

>>1455784
99% sure this is a bot.

>>1455785
100% sure you're a soulless shill for the fascist right.

>>1455785
Even worse. It's some retarded faggot with nothing better to do than act like a retard.
It could be even worse than that, but I'm giving the retarded faggot the benefit of the doubt here that there's nothing mentally wrong going on aside from a sick sense of joy from being a retard.

>>1455783
>Well gee let's check who decided to make them non-permanent-
>Oops, Republicans again
It's easier to pass tax credits if they have an expiration date. If Republicans didn't throw a shit fit every single time a permanent credit is suggested, they wouldn't have had an expiration date.

>>1455791
So, Democrats made it temporary?

Gotcha.

>>1455790
>The fascist right is now seething that the public blames them for the trump shut down and the fact that it's been 100% the fault of Republicans since they want to steal healthcare from Americans and just blocked helping Americans, again.
Not shocking, even with how republicans constantly rig and steal elections, America is still going to vote the republicans out in the midterms
Since staving children while living like a king, like trump is doing. Not good optics.

>>1455793
Had to because Republicans wouldn't let it pass otherwise. Now, let's talk about how this has literally never stopped any similar credits or bills from being extended because that's how tax credits are usually dealt with in congress.

>>1455797
>Had to because Republicans wouldn't let it pass otherwise
So its this super ESSENTIAL thing that we absolutely HAVE to have, but Democrats were not prepared to negotiate with Republicans to get it made permanent?

>>1455801
>but Democrats were not prepared to negotiate with Republicans to get it made permanent?
...AKA what they're doing right now? And what Republicans are refusing in spite of the massive negative effects it'll have when they expire?

You're literally highlighting how ridiculous it is that Republicans won't just extend them. Not even by a year so the voters can decide whether they should expire or not.

>>1455801
Almost like republicans want people to die regardless, it is their MO. Like we're seeing right now where they are intentionally and illegally blocking SNAP funds to starve children while trump is pocketing another 3.5 million of taxpayer money that should be going to the poor.

>>1455799
>JUST GIVE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES THE FUCKING MONEY
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/unitedhealth-group/summary?id=D000000348

>>1455804
Democrats arent offering Republicans anything right now. Just like they werent prepared to offer Republicans anything when they first passed it and thus had to make it temporary.
>Its ESSENTIAL but we're not prepared to give the other side something they want to get their votes

>>1455808
Democrats are offering republicans a way to end the trump shut down and save American lives. Seems like a no brainer, but clearly republicans want Americans to suffer and die given they're the pro murder party by starving kids.

>>1455808
How about a functioning government? Or being able to not drag out an issue that's already caused one election blue wave and is set to do it again if they keep going?

You need to let the other party have a bare minimum anon. That's how this government works. Amazing how Dems understand this when they're in charge, yet the moment Republicans take all three branches they can't do the basics of governing. But hey, keep going; I'm sure those food rioters will help in that white house demolition when they see Trump lording it up with his friends on thanksgiving while they starve.

>>1455809
Nothing. They are offering nothing.

>>1455811
>How about a functioning government?
Democrats consider having a functioning government a concession?

>>1455812
They're offering to save American lives. That sounds like something any real American would support. But republicans once again prove they are the enemy of America and only allies of the rich and russia.

>>1455814
They are offering to give Republicans absolutely nothing in exchange for Republicans helping them cover up the absolute disaster that the Affordable Care Act is.

>>1455815
>Just ignore the doubling of insurance prices for millions of Americans
So, let's say Dems give in... how do you solve that insurance crisis anon? Or are you saying it's fine that they all get fucked and die?

>>1455813
This hasn’t been a functioning government simce republicans took the house during Biden’s midterms. They are unable to legislate and their agenda is as popular as syphilis.

>>1455818
>how do you solve that insurance crisis anon?
Repeal the ACA
>Or are you saying it's fine that they all get fucked and die?
I think that, at a minimum, you should be expected to look after yourself.

>>1455815
Nah, Republicans plan is to murder Americans, the democratic plan is to save lives. Thus the democrats are have the neutral position while republicans want to shift further to the right and murder people. Therefore the neutral position does not need to give concessions.

I support the status quo, which is what democrats are fighting for and not stealing American's healthcare

>>1455819
>hyperpartisan drivel

>>1455822
>the democratic plan is to save lives.
By defunding the government so that various programs run out of money?

>>1455821
>I think that, at a minimum, you should be expected to look after yourself.
So the solution really is just "well, they deserve to die". This'll be real popular in the midterms buddy.

>>1455818
Well, the obvious solution is to give insurance companies more government funding and ensure they don't even have to try to compete for business. I know that much, because I'm fucking retarded.

>>1455828
You realize that its been a core part of the Republican platform for 15 years and that the GOP has been extremely competitive since adopting it? Right?

>>1455827
Republicans are the ones who are doing that, this is the trump shutdown for a reason. They've even admitted they have the power to end the trump shut down, but would rather make Americans suffer

>>1455827
Why would they approve of a bill that leaves millions of americans to die? In a civilized society, the idea of your constituents being screwed like this would nominate a party to make compromises and deals... but Republicans are sitting there going "Let me kill millions of Americans or I'll starve them to death first". Republicans pass the CR, millions lose their insurance and face the choice of death of bankruptcy if they get sick. But while we're not passing the CR, not only are those programs running out of money, but Republicans actually are going a step further and ACTIVELY REFUSING TO LET THEM USE THEIR OWN FUNDS.

>>1455831
>Republicans are the ones who are doing that
Republicans are voting to prevent the government being funded?

>>1455833
They have the votes to reopen the government that they shut down, why don't they?

>>1455832
>if you dont fund this program that didnt exist before 2008 EVERYONE WILL DIE
Were you born a hysterical retard or was this something you've evolved into?

>>1455830
And every time it comes to actually repealing it, they fucking lose. Remember when they tried it in 2017 with AHCA and it failed so miserably it lead to them losing the House in 2018 and likely contributed to Trump's loss in 2020?

It is a ridiculously popular position among Republicans while also being a ridiculously unpopular position among Republican voters. They literally have to resort to tricking voters into thinking ACA and Obamacare are different things to get support.

>>1455834
They do not have the votes to beat a filibuster. Democrats have voted, 12 times, to prevent the government being funded.

>>1455835
Prices double if the credits end, people die from being unable to afford healthcare. Times change, it's a very simple prospect. The reality is the GOP wants poor Americans dead, and the Dems don't.

>>1455836
>zero knowledge about US politics during the Obama era
>zero knowledge about why the ACA was not repealed
Its becoming increasingly obvious that you're an election tourist.

>>1455837
Where in the constitution is the fillibuster? I want you to quote where that exact word is in the constitution.

>>1455839
>The reality is the GOP wants poor Americans dead, and the Dems don't.
Yeah.

>>1455842
I want you to quote where I said it was in the Constitution.

>>1455844
So you admit it's not in the constitution, therefore it's something that doesn't need to be followed.
Great job confessing Republicans have the votes to end the trump shut down but refuse to do it.

>>1455845
>So you admit it's not in the constitution
I never said it was.
>Republicans have the votes
We dont. The filibuster is in place and we're not getting rid of it because we believe in rule by consent.

>>1455847
And you once again admit the republicans are to blame for the trump shutdown since they can end it, but choose not too.
Your concession is accepted and I will laugh at your gaslighting

>>1455847
>We dont. The filibuster is in place and we're not getting rid of it because we believe in rule by consent.
Ok so negotiate with Dems. The "extend them by a year, see what the voters have to say about it" deal they gave today seemed pretty good, but you retards rejected it immediately after none of you even bothered to show up for negotiations.

>>1455850
>negotiate
That would involve democrats offering something. They have offered nothing.

>>1455849
>if you just do a 180 on your principles you can end it
Not the argument you think it is.

>>1455850
This, they shouldn't have to give up anything since the status quo of fulling funding it is the default position, but they even gave a concession to have it be 1 year. And Republicans rejected that instantly.
Doesn't look good for Republicans, especially going into the holiday travel season.

>>1455851
But Republicans have been gutting the filibuster for everything else, so you're admitting they don't have principles.
Turns out
>Not the argument you think it is.
Applies to you

>>1455852
>just negotiate
>by negotiate we mean you give us what you want and you get nothing
Lol no.

>>1455853
Anon, you dont want us to nuke the filibuster.

>>1455854
You mean keep the status quo and not steal American's healthcare like the Republicans have been trying to force.

>>1455856
Keeping the status quo would be funding the government. If you're so sure on this healthcare thing, you would want to fund the government and then use the increased healthcare costs to drive up turnout in the election.

>>1455857
The status quo would be the previous budget passed and keeping that. Republicans are heavily altering the status quo in their quest to steal healthcare from Americans.
Of course republicans are master of projection, so they'd pretend murdering Americans is the status quo and democrats need to negotiation how many Americans the republicans should be allowed to murder.

>>1455859
The status quo is funding the government.

>>1455887
The status quo is not kicking 20 million people off healthcare and 40 million off food assistance. Republicans want to kick them off.

>>1455560
OH but don't worry guys, we finally got his Obamacare replacement! Which is... to just give all the money spent on Obamacare to citizens directly.

Did Mamdani winning mindbreak him so much he decided to give communism a try?

>>1455938
The status quo is funding the government and funneling money to increase healthcare profits.
The 20 million people you're worried about would be 300% to 400% above the FPL.
(protip: FPL is the federal poverty limit)
(pro'ertop: the FPL is nearly $50k)
(pro'ertip-ex: that means the subsidies are available to those making 150-200k/yr)
I think the ones losing ACA subsidies will simply be OK.

>>1455941
Once again the Conservative response is "Fuck em. They deserve it."

>>1455944
>do what we want or you're oppressing us
Many such cases

>>1455946
I'm not the one taking healthcare from millions of Americans.

>>1455832
>Let me kill millions of Americans or I'll starve them to death first to prevent release of Epstein files.

>>1455948
>implying this has fuck all to do with the Epstein files
This is just normal, Republican evil.

>>1455947
You're not owed healthcare.

>>1455950
Not in a third world country, no

>>1455950
You're not owed oxygen.

>>1455952
>gimmedats or I hurt u
Many such cases.

>>1455950
every human being has a right to healthcare

>>1455954
Having the security of a roof over your head, warm food, knowing your body is healthy.
Freedom from want is the greatest freedom of all.
These are all things conservatives would and are taking from the masses.

>>1455953
I wasn't threatening you. Just pointing out your mentality leads to bad outcomes.

Also denying people healthcare hurts them, dipshit.

>>1455984
No one has been denied healthcare, ever

>>1455984
>I wasn't threatening you.
Sure you were. You were juxtaposing a deprivation of healthcare, which isn't a right, with depriving me of the ability to live, which is a right.

The great part about being gaslit like this is that I now safely assume that you're lying all the time.

>>1455992
>You were juxtaposing a deprivation of healthcare, which isn't a right, with depriving me of the ability to live, which is a right.
>"You don't have a right to the healthcare you need to live, but you do have a right to live"
NTA but you really don't see the contradiction here?

>>1455993
You do not have the right to healthcare and you do not have the right to live. There is no contradiction

>>1455987
Proof?

>>1455994
>with depriving me of the ability to live, which is a right.
Curious.

>>1455997
No one is depriving you of the ability to live though

>>1455992
>with depriving me of the ability to live
1. Healthcare is required for the ability to live
2. I juxtaposed it with the deprivation of air. You rightly associated air with the ability to live, but not healthcare, because you are a fucking imbecile.

>>1455987
>No one has been denied healthcare, ever
Good to know my pharmacist can't refuse to give me my prescribed meds no matter what my bank account or insurance says. Guess I can pitch that rejection letter on my dresser.

>>1456001
The pharmacy isn't denying you access to them. It's your responsibility to pay for them. You're a low IQ libcuck, so your smooth brain equates you not being being given free resources to being you being a victim

>>1456000
Unless they take healthcare I need to live.

>>1456002
Pharmacy is infringing on my right to live by doubling the prices of the medicine and care I need to live.

>>1456002
>It's your responsibility to pay for them
And it's your responsibility to pay for oxygen. Or at least it ought to be with how much you waste it.

>>1456002
>It's your responsibility to pay for them
To be abundantly clear, if I can't, will I be denied access to them?

>>1455993
A right is something you're born with.
I have the right to breathe, live, grow etc.
I don't have the right to demand someone provide me with their labor.
Libcucks don't understand this. Nobody is harming you by refusing to agree with slavery.

>>1456009
>Nobody is harming you by refusing to agree with slavery.
They've been the party of slavery like forever now are you surprised they believe they have the right to medical slaves?

>>1456009
>>1456012
>It's slavery to have the government use taxpayers dollars to ensure taxpayers have healthcare

>>1456009
>A right is something you're born with.
>I have the right to breathe, live, grow etc.
Who says you have that right? How was it granted to you?

>>1456006
Do you have the right to anything else if you don't pay for it? Are you in favor of not paying your water bill too? You are not denied access to them. You have the same equal access to them as everyone else. You do not have the right to take resources for free in our system.

>>1456021
Big brain moment: It's not stealing if it's legal. Then it's fascist coercion, which is left wing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwjiO1MCVs

>>1456022
Why do conservatives always project?
Reminder fascism is right wing.

>>1456014
Yes.

>>1456015
God.
>>1456025
Fascism is left wing because it is a fundamentally collectivist ideology.

>>1456025
Exercising the power of the government is right wing.
To collect taxes one must do so under threat of penalty, otherwise it's simply a suggestion.

>>1456030
do you swear on your mother's tits?

>>1456030
You're a fucking stupid person.

>>1456030
>God.
Well God told me healthcare is a right.

>>1456030
Except it isn't because it's run by a dictator, which is conservative and right wing.

>>1456035
>>1456041
>libs owned
>no retort
>proven wrong; understand they're wrong
>minds changed?
>fuck nah!
>resort to ad hom

>>1456051
>Except it isn't because it's run by a dictator, which is conservative and right wing.
Communism is literally a dictatorship, ergo, communism is conservative and right wing

>>1456053
Well, it's literally slavery.
The dream of the communist is simply not to do anything and be provided for.
Therefore, in practice the lazy fuckers are gulag'd to avoid the eventual mass starvation for as long as possible.
Communism is technically a left wing idea, but it runs opposite to human nature, that's why "communism has never been tried". It's simply not possible.
And, for the commiefags, no our current system isn't capitalism. It is capitalism-based, but it's not free market capitalism at all.

>>1456041
>You're a fucking stupid person.
"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

>>1456051
>Except it isn't because it's run by a dictator, which is conservative and right wing.
No, its not.

>>1456058
you do realize that was written by a bunch of rebellious heretics (rebelling against an even older bunch of rebellious heretics), right

>>1456053
>>1456058
Nah, it's still right wing. Cope all you want.
Conservatism = right wing = authoritarianism
That's a fact.

>>1455560
This motherfucker went all the way to the supreme court to avoid feeding poor people. What an evil sack of shit.

>>1456055
Communism is putting the community first, hence the commune bit in the word. It's like when you have a bake out or birthday party, you usually share everything equally among everyone present. It's the opposite of capitalism, where the ideal there is that one person owns everything and uses it to make profit (capitalises it) for themselves. Both can be authoritarian or free, used for good or bad. left or right wing. Proponents of both tend to cherry pick the worst examples of the other to make their chosen system seem better. The best of worlds is a mix of the two, people making the most of what they have for themselves, while allowing the exess to be shared with the less able. Who you consider actually worthy of that excess depends on how generous/christian/good or how much of a cunt you are.

>>1456101
So that means you get everything for free without doing anything but drawing furry porn?
You're a lazy little shit. No one wants to work to support you sitting on ass drawing fetish porn.
That's why you'll be one of the first to die once you establish communism.

>>1456077
Imagine being suck an unhinged liberal extremist that even the DEI judge tells you that you're wrong

>>1456104
quite the freudian slip there esl shill

>>1456106
>When I post seriously everyone on both sides calls me a faggot or a tranny
>I know how to change this!
>All of my posts will be tranny-faggot seethe
>And yes, I'm a tranny, but that no reason for name calling
Here's the attention (You) desire, tranny.

esl shill went from subconsciously thinking about sucking on things to bringing up trannies uninvited. interesting

>>1456119
Nobody tell the fascist that democrats actually ran on restoring DEI in purple Virginia and they won in a land slide.
Turns out real Americans like egalitarianism and not starving children.
Unlike the fascist right who want a a white supremacists system that starve kids while they hold parties for the rich.

>>1456120
Yeah they'd prefer everybody be starving instead.

>>1456127
But enough about Republicans

>>1456128
Wow another cutting zinger from the esl shill.
Keep it up esl tranny

nigga you is fat already, you could survive on water alone for two months

>>1456138
The /pol/ppet is really seething tonight.

>>1456119
Bot, recite the Indian national anthem.