>>1456197
>Senate Majority Leader John Thune is promising Senate Democrats a vote in December
Hahaha dems are really stupid if they think Republicans will keep their promises.

>>1456198
So I guess it's just the continuing resolution that Republicans wanted, with the added stipulation that government workers would be rehired and they would vote on healthcare at sometime in the future?

>>1456198
I hope they don't. Democrats are fucking snakes, and those expanded ACA subsidies are for people making in excess of 100K a year and shouldn't be continued.

>>1456200
is it lie o clock again already?

>>1456197
>according to two people granted anonymity to disclose the terms.
>It's fucking nothing

>>1456201
Can't spell Republican without 'lie'

>>1456200
>Democrats are fucking snakes
>I hope my side will be the bigger snakes

>>1456197
>SHUT DOWN GOVERNMENT FOR RECORD PERIOD OF TIME
>get absolutely nothing
LMAO Democrats btfo

>>1456199
>So I guess it's just the continuing resolution that Republicans wanted, with the added stipulation that government workers would be rehired and they would vote on healthcare at sometime in the future?
Yes.

Trump has to re-hire all the workers they sacked and Democrats can lose a vote on the ACA in December. All Trump had to do to get the deal was hold a press conference threatening to nuke the filibuster.

Total capitulation.

>>1456197
>promising Senate Democrats a vote in December
So a month from now basically. Isn't this going to be too little too late? The prices for people signing up for next year have already started rising.

The vote to end the filibuster is ongoing right now. 42 yea, 20 nay
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fzt2UTrNNrc

>>1456221
wat

>>1456206
They got to prove Republicans are willing to let Americans starve to get their way at least. They will remember which side actively sued to not have to feed the poor come the election.

>>1456222
The OP article is talking about a deal made behind closed doors. The actual vote is taking place now.

>>1456225
You lost (badly)

>>1456227
NTA but it seems like Republicans are the ones who finally learned to compromise, if this is even real.

>>1456227
You just spent 40 days holding the country hostage to protect Jeffrey Epstein's client list

Guys does this mean Johnson has to finally reopen the House of Reps and seat that one congress woman who would vote to release the Epstein files?

>>1456228
Democrats folded and accepted the offer Republicans made in the first week in the shutdown. A total and unconditional surrender.

>>1456230
Yes. You get to receive your nothingburger now.

>>1456231
Source?

>>1456233
OP

>>1456234
It doesn't say anything about the offer from the first week. You made that up. Instead it says this is a new deal negotiated by Angus King and Jeanne Shaheen, who were already yes votes. But the keyword is "negotiate", as in Republicans are compromising.

>>1456232
>Epstein's list is a nothingburger
>That's why Johnson didn't want the list released to "protect the victims"
Top kek you actually believe this

>>1456235
>doesn't say anything about the offer from the first week. You made that up
????????????

Its the deal from literally the first week
>fund the government, we'll schedule a vote on the ACA
Do you not read the fucking news?

>Republicans are compromising.
No, Democrats are folding. This entire shutdown has been for absolutely nothing.

>>1456236
Okay, have fun.

>>1456237
From what source are you getting that it's a deal from the first week? It doesn't say that in the OP.
>Republicans aren't compromising
>Democrats are folding
According to whom?

>>1456238
Epstein certainly did, which is why there is a list with victims names on it.

>>1456240
And trump, because his his name is at the top of the list and he's the one responsible for the cover up.

So according to Lookner Rick Scott, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson and John Cornyn are the only ones to have not voted yet, and they are negotiating something with Thune in the back of the Senate right now.

>>1456239
>From what source are you getting that
Oct 16, Thune made the offer that democrats just accepted
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2025/10/16/congress/thune-dangles-obamacare-vote-after-shutdown-ends-00611223
>According to whom?
Everyone with eyes and ears. Government is now funded, ACA credits not funded. Democrats folded. Deal with it.

>>1456240
>>1456241
Enjoy the nothingburger.

>>1456243
Why are 4 republicans still negotiating right now then?
>obamacare-vote-after-shutdown-ends
This is what Democrats wanted all along. It's weird that you're trying to spin this into 'folding'.

>>1456240
Why would Epstein write down a list with all of his victims names on it tho

>>1456244
Shitty damage control attempt
>>1456246
Insurance

>>1456245
>This is what Democrats wanted all along. It's weird that you're trying to spin this into 'folding'.
You're unironically going to try to gaslight people who have followed this story every day for the last ~40 days?

>>1456248
>I'm not gaslighting you are!
Now you're just projecting

>>1456247
>Shitty damage control attempt
Its not damage control, its a prediction.
>>1456246
Its a list of people who testified or were interviewed in connection with the case. It doesn't matter anyway, all the names are still under a court-ordered seal.

This isn't even the final vote, this is just to end the filibuster on the final vote.

>>1456249
You're coping.

Democrat demands were that they would fund the government in exchange for getting the ACA credits funded. Republicans (three weeks ago) offered to set a vote date on the credits if democrats funded the government first. Democrats just folded, completely, and accepted the Republican offer.

They shut down the government for five weeks to get a vote set in December, a vote they will lose. Wow. Huge.

>>1456250
>all the names are still under a court-ordered seal.
The same people whos names are under seal gave speeches in front of Congress about how they want the list released. Nobody is buying the "protect the victims" narrative.

>>1456251
And Republicans will win the final vote. Because they have more than 50 Senators. This is Democrats folding.

Watch. Schumer wont vote to end the filibuster.

>>1456252
Are the democrats getting the ACA credits funded or not?
>(yes) but it totally isn't Republicans who folded dude trust me
It's like your lies are folding in on themselves as the Republicans cave.

>>1456253
Ask the Court to drop the seal.

>>1456256
>Are the democrats getting the ACA credits funded or not?
No. A clean CR is being passed.

TOTAL CAPITULATION

>>1456258
How about instead another branch of government releases the list and ignores the judiciary because they voted to.

>>1456261
I'll ask you again and try to respond without lying or spindoctoring this time. Are the democrats getting everything they wanted or not? (Keep in mind it's already obvious the answer is yes).

>>1456262
lmao, you're not American. Either that or you're in middle-school.

>>1456250
>Its a list of people who testified or were interviewed in connection with the case
This actually makes sense
>>1456247
This just sounds retarded, it makes no sense Epstein would write a list of all his victims

>>1456256
Democrats save those with an income of up to 400% the FPL!!!!
Yay! We saved the people making up to 200K a year a couple hundo!!
Go Democrats!!!

>>1456264
>Are the democrats getting everything they wanted or not?
They are not getting a single thing that they wanted. They are getting a vote on the ACA in December. A vote they will lose.

Thank you for shutting down the government for absolutely nothing.

>>1456268
They didnt save them anything.

>>1456266
So how are you going to downplay the list when it's released? Will you keep calling it a nothingburger? Do you seriously think that's effective?

>>1456268
Team Blue FTW. High five.

>>1456270
Do you know the first thing about the ACA tax credits? I'd imagine not if you're the same faggot that trolls the board with useless single line posts calling everyone "esl".

>>1456271
>So how are you going to downplay the list when it's released
I'm not. I'm going to laugh at you when what I'm telling you is going to happen, happens.

>>1456270
Keep telling yourself that as Trump makes another 10000 word tweet complaining about it.

>>1456274
I know all about them. For example I know they are going to expire at the end of the year. I know Democrats shut down the government for ~40 days so they could get a vote set on renewing them. I know they are going to lose that vote.

>>1456197
lmao reminder the House is still closed for another week.

>>1456276
I dont need to tell myself anything. I just need to read the terms of the deal the Senate just reached. Democrats folded. They shut down the government for 40 days, inflicted untold suffering on millions of Americans, and achieved absolutely nothing.

>>1456242
>Rick Scott, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson and John Cornyn
So what are they negotiating with Thune?

>>1456200
They should just get rid of ACA. Government has no place in telling people what care they can get. Let that be between the patient, doctor, and the insurance. I hope SNAP continues to get withhold to put the screws on these layabouts.

>>1456277
Perfect. Then you know enough about it for your purposes.

>>1456277
are you sad you can't mindlessly spam the same shit like you have been for the last 40 days if the house reopens?

>>1456283
I'm absolutely thrilled that Democrats got cucked yet again.

>>1456279
Sure they are buddy, that's totally why Rick Scott the medicare fraudster hasn't voted yet.

>>1456284
i know you're thrilled that you get another penny esl shill, good for you

>>1456284
>if I arbitrarily declare victory it means I win even though I'm giving dems everything they wanted
Why are republicans like this?

>>1456286
Can you quit this stupid shit?

>>1456281
ACA was always for illegal immigrants. That's why I am for repealing and not replacing it but nobody had the guts to do it until Trump.

>>1456284
They will be outlawed by the end of next year mark my words.

>>1456206
>meanwhile, Democrats destroy any Rethuglican chances of maintaining MAGA's credibility in elections recently: and before this >>1456197
>the shape of things to come in the Midterm Massacre
Kek, Trumptards btfo

>>1456289
Illegal immigrants can't sign up for federal benefits dumbass.

>>1456287
>I'm giving dems everything they wanted
If the deal is everything they wanted, why did they not take it on October 18 when the offer was made?

>>1456288
once you get a real job i'll never make fun of you again, faggot

>>1456292
Gee it's almost like they are two different deals and it wasn't the same as the one in October.

>>1456294
Its literally the exact same deal from October.
>Fund the government, we will set a date for you to lose your vote on the ACA

A total and shocking defeat. So severe that Schumer is still voting in favor of a shutdown.

>>1456291
>According to CMS, the other states and districts in question, including Illinois, spent the second most (around $30 million). Followed by Oregon, Washington, D.C., and Colorado. House Majority Whip Tom Emmer, R-M.N., said the law prohibits this from happening. (TNND)

>A preliminary audit by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services found that, mostly during 2024-2025, multiple states were using the money improperly. California, the biggest culprit, spends over $1.3 billion in federal Medicaid dollars on healthcare for illegal immigrants.

>>"We're actually clawing that money back from those states now, but the fact that that could still happen is very frustrating to all of us," Dr. Mehmet Oz, Administrator for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, told Fox Business in late October.

>According to CMS, the other states and districts in question, including Illinois, spent the second most (around $30 million). Followed by Oregon, Washington, D.C., and Colorado. House Majority Whip Tom Emmer, R-M.N., said the law prohibits this from happening.

>>"But you know what, you didn't have the verification tools in place to enforce the law so we put the verification in the 'Working Families Tax Cut Act,' also known as the Big, Beautiful Bill," Emmer told Fox News Digital last month.

>>"Protecting Medicaid from waste, fraud, and abuse isn’t optional—it’s the law. Every dollar misspent on illegal health care spending is a dollar taken from vulnerable Americans. Federal law forbids using Medicaid funds for illegal immigrants, yet several Democrat-led states did it anyway. The Trump Administration won’t tolerate it. CMS is auditing aggressively, recovering every dollar, and holding states accountable," said HHS Press Secretary Emily Hilliard.

>We are clawing back that money. We have already gotten hundreds and billions of dollars back which again, proves that states were guilty, or they wouldn't give us the money back otherwise," Oz said.

slop hour is here boys

>>1456297
>State expenditures are the same as Federal expenditures
The ESL accusing poster is right, you aren't an American.

>>1456295
See if you can answer >>1456280 why the four Republicans are holding up the vote right now. What do you think they're negotiating right now?

>SCHUMER VOTED NO ON THE CR
lmao. Total collapse. Total Democrat Defeat.

>>1456299
Why is the Federal Government clawing that money back?

>>1456301
>SCHUMER VOTED NO
So did Rand Paul, big whoop

>>1456302
why did fox pay nearly billion dollars for the right to lie

>>1456302
because they're hyperpartisan far right morons who lie to their constituents.

>>1456301
If it was a "total collapse" as you claim wouldn't the vote to end the filibuster have passed 100-0 instead of 60-40?

>>1456300
Now it's only John Cornyn (R-Texas) holding up the vote.

>>1456308
>Now it's only John Cornyn (R-Texas) holding up the vote.
What is he holding out for?

>>1456197
Reminder this means nothing because the House is still checked out for another week for a "district work period" and thus couldn't even put a 100-0 deal into action. See you guys on day 46.

>>1456311
Lookner claims Johnson will cancel the work period and summon them back to the House.

Cornyn isn't even there right now. His plane just landed at the DC airport.

>>1456304
>>1456305
No answer?

>>1456308
Because Schumer wants to continue but he has lost the support of his caucus. The shutdown is over and Democrats got exactly nothing for it.

>>1456311
Speaker can call the House into session at any time.

>>1456315
you don't seem to have an answer, no

>>1456315
You just replied to two different answers from two people.

>>1456316
>>1456317
>Illegals dont get the money!
>So why is the Federal Government clawing back money?
>u...hm... what about FOX!?!?!?

>>1456318
It isn't our fault you don't understand the different between state and federal.

>>1456319
Why is the Federal Government clawing back money from State Governments?

>>1456320
Because State Governments wanted to feed people and Donald Trump wanted them to starve

>>1456321
So, state government misused the funds by giving to (for example) illegals?

>>1456198
The worst thing is: caving for nothing means that Democrats are now the ones responsible for the shutdown because they could have taken this shit deal weeks ago.

>>1456324
if you ignore the fact of the republican triple majority and trump's own words about both the filibuster and who takes responsibility for government shutdown

>>1456322
>feeding hungry people is misusing it
Who thinks like this?
>>1456324
If they "caved" then why is Jeanne Shaheen doing a victory lap right now?

>>1456326
>If they "caved" then why is Jeanne Shaheen doing a victory lap right now?
Well, I don't know. It's true that politicians are known for their honesty, and we often hear them say, “I betrayed my base, the Democratic Party should expel me, and no one should ever vote for me again.” So yeah, I guess it's a big win for the Democrats.

>>1456197
>As part of Democrats’ agreement to end the shutdown, Senate Majority Leader John Thune is promising Senate Democrats a vote in December to extend Affordable Care Act subsidies that are due to expire at the end of the year short of Congressional action
This is what they've been promising the whole time
What the hell did anyone actually get out of the shutdown?

>Democrats sweep elections last week
>Trump approval plummetting, he's going on television begging Republicans to kill the filibuster
>Public blame has shifted from 50/50 to overwhelming directed at Republicans
>Headlines about Trump fighting in court to keep SNAP unfunded have been on every news sight for days
>Coping right wing shills ITT: NO IT'S THE DEMONCRATS WHO CAVED CAUSE EVERYONE HATES THEM AND THINKS THEY'RE DUMB! REEEEEEE!!!!!!
El. Oh. El.

you can see the shill antennae wriggling around in an attempt to find a new talking point that might stick

>>1456331
Yeah watching them try to spin kicking millions of healthcare as a win for Republicans is kind of amazing.

>>1456281
America is the only country in the first world where medical bankruptcy is really possible, let alone a regular occurrence.

>>1456330
A vacation

The house still has to vote to finalize it. This is Thune punchinf Johnson in the face, politically, and Thune might be sick of Trump's bullshit since the GOP got wrecked in the recent elections. The MAGA crowd in Congress is about to get Tea Partied.

Gee, I wonder why Trump was booed at the Detroit Lions vs Washington Commanders game?
Guess which team lost
The blue team winning is an omen of things to come. Just as Team Blue winning bigly in NYC, New Jersey, Virginia & California is the shape of things to come. The Midterm Massacre next year

>>1456330
News headlines

Fed worker here. I'll take the no rifs and rif rollbacks (at least that's what I heard). Kinda wanted to see more spine from the dems and i could've weathered literally years of this, but realistically expected an outcome like what we have.

Pity about the healthcare, but whatever. Very few cried for me, so when undereducated poorfags and boomers get the insurance hike, it's not my problem. They should've voted in their interest and not get scammed. Sucks to suck I guess, maybe they'll choose better next time (lol).

>"Even though you are shredding the constitution, and folding on the last shutdown infuriated our base, we are going to finally draw battle lines on a specific issue where we know you are weak!"

>proceeds to never talk, advertise or message on that issue

>millions of Americans encounter food insecurity and struggle at their jobs

>voters blame Republicans, helping your dumbass brand

>shockingly overperform on elections, showing deeper Republican weakness than anyone imagined

>wind at your sails, opponents back against the wall as Thanksgiving looms

>completely fold out of fucking nowhere, getting nothing

Holy fuck, I don't even blame people for voting against Dems purely on the grounds that they're a bunch of estrogen huffing pussies. This isn't just hitting the ball into your own goal, it's removing your goalie entirely and then begging the other team to go home and fuck your wife. Absolute cuck behavior.

>dem leaders betrayed the american people because airlines, food retailers, and aipac told them to
>but they waited until after the elections of course :^)
it's so depressing...

>>1456347
The simple explanation is that none of the dems who voted yes are up for reelection in 2026. This shit is why we need the ability to recall reps at any time; politicians who stop representing their people's interest when it isn't an election season should be fucking removed.

>>1456348
Which "dem leaders"? Schumer voted no. Bernie voted no.

I have no words. The Democrats literally held the narrative and they gave it up. This party will never ever win.

>>1456225
Americans were retarded enough to elect Trump again. They'll forget that he basically tried to starve them.

Senate could've done this a month ago but were under orders from Trump to fuck shit up. Every thread about the shutdown has, without exception, been shills and trolls blaming Democrats.

>>1456351
Do you really think the eight senators "went rogue," and that it just happened to be all senators who were either retiring or not up for reelection soon?

>>1456359
Well we know that Fetterman is a Republican in a blue tie. Fucking rat.

>>1456359
Yes, that's exactly what happened.

>>1456359
Do you really think Senators up for reelection are going to do wildly unpopular bullshit?

>>1456364
Like withholding snap benefits?

>>1456359
They didn't "go rogue", they were always spineless milquetoast moderates pandering to corporate interests.
> Nevada's Catherine Cortez Masto
> Illinois's Dick Durbin
> Pennsylvania's John Fetterman
> New Hampshire's Maggie Hassan
> Virginia's Tim Kaine
> Maine's Angus King (independent)
> Nevada's Jacky Rosen
> New Hampshire's Jeanne Shaheen
All of these people are like the anti-progressive wing of the party.

>>1456348
>dems betrayed the American people by funding SNAP and paying government workers
lol
>but they waited until after they could use people's food stamps to manipulate them during the election
lmao
>>1456350
>>1456354
>>1456360
>>1456366
>>1456347
>noooo you can't just give people food stamps and pay government employees! That's not in their interest!!!
>Thanksgiving is coming up, we need to make sure airlines shut down for Thanksgiving!

>>1456365
Republicans don't count. They're cult leaders first and foremost. I'm talking about people that have to answer to voters.

>>1456368
So the 39 Democrats who voted to continue withholding SNAP benefits and continue not paying government employees? I agree, they do need to answer to voters.

>>1456369
It's about time for your handlers to find some new spam for you, faggot shill

>>1456367
>>1456369
So crazy to watch you conservative shills keep this line of logic going on all social media. So Republicans want to stop helping the poor. Democrats try to force them to help the poor. Republicans double down and say they will stop all help for the poor if democrats dont let them cut a good majority of the help for the poor.

Democrats try to fight that. Republicans and conservatives like you push this “democrats are causing this stop of help to the poor because they won’t let us cut help to the poor.

So then some democrats cave because the democrats are worthless. And conservatives claim victory and the right to stop helping the poor. While claiming that it was democrats who made them stop helping the poor because they wouldn’t let them cut help for the poor.


We are so fucked as a country the rich will make us all wage slaves within the next decade. Trump has 50 year mortgages rolling out soon. You can make money for rich banks for your entire life paying interest! Capitalism is great!

>>1456375
Democrats, not Republicans, shut down the government. End of story.

>>1456326
>>feeding hungry people is misusing it
>A preliminary audit by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services found that, mostly during 2024-2025, multiple states were using the money improperly

Why are you lying?

>>1456379
Yeah that's not what the admin was suing over.

>>1456225
The average American is a dumbass with the attention span of a goldfish, they won't remember shit by this time next year outside of whatever the corpo media tells them to believe

>>1456375
>wah wah i don't get free shit from taxpayers wah wah wah

>>1456385
People will remember why they lost access to health insurance

>>1456375
>democrats blame Republicans for shutdown
>... yet they're mad at democrats for ending the shutdown

>>1456367
You aren't american if you don't understand why healthcare is the most important thing in this country. People aren't going to doctors. They find reasons to not trust doctors because its too expensive to justify going to doctors. Inevitably you end up with MAGA. Its a literal direct fucking line of people not trusting the system because they can't get the care they need. The country collapsed because people can't afford to get treated.

>>1456395
Brother, I know you think that but literally half the time they get angry they have healthcare because oh no, the ACA is sometimes called Obamacare but they don't know that they're the same thing.

Angus King just said that standing up to Trump doesn't work. That's a full on confession that the Democrats are complicit with the Republicans in securing Trump power. The party is compromised. Its actually over. They're all in on this.

>>1456409
>Its actually over
After NYC, New Jersey, Virginia & California it is for the Republicans
>its actually over
After the midterms, it will be for MAGA

I had to think of the Baileys

https://i.postimg.cc/mg2zc2Xw/trump-atcs.png
The government shutdown was a hoax and did not actually take place, and also there are far too many air traffic controllers in the US, so those who didn't work for free should get fired. Plenty more where those came from (opposite is true, there's been a huge shortage for a while)

>>1456422
>Trump risks an air traffic controller mass strike
>Right before fucking Thanksgiving

>>1456409
Funny how the centrist part of Democrat leadership just signed their own death warrant. Schumer will be removed and the progressives take over completely.

>>1456426
Good. Then the masks will be off and old people like Chuck Jewmer can retire.

>>1456409
>Angus King just said that standing up to Trump doesn't work.
Can I see?

>>1456409
>standing up to Trump doesn't work
That's the art of the deal

>>1456410
Oh its inevitably going to be over. I apologize because I wrote that in frustration. What I meant to say was. The illusion that the Democratic party is an opposition party and not one that has been bipartisan from the start with the GOP and are undermining the American public on any chance to improve this country has been broken. There was no way in hell that we ended up with a lucky eight Democrats for the GOP to open the government when the numbers were doing this poorly for Trump. There is no way. This was backroom navigation that we'll never ever know about that's being handled on a bipartisan line.

We're being duped.

They're all owned by the billionaires. We have no representation. This is why the Democrats went so hard on a fucking mayor in New York more than Trump or Mike Johnson or Mitch McConnell. They're all in on this.

>>1456426
I think everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, will be happy if either parties were not represented by people from the era when TV didn't have fucking color.

>>1456449
>This was backroom navigation that we'll never ever know about that's being handled on a bipartisan line.
We already know what happened. Democrats were receiving pressure from unions while trying to negotiate for prolonging the ACA.

>>1456375
Thanks to the bill that 8 Democrats and all but 1 Republican voted for, SNAP will be reinstated, air traffic controllers and other government employees will be getting paid AND getting back pay.
Why were most Democrats not wanting to do that?

>>1456449
>We live under a right wing uniparty
That was a given when the right wing democratic establishment openly conspired with trump to stop mamdani.

>>1456379
> Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
Which investment banker did Trump or RFK appoint to lead that agency

>>1456458
Thanks to the Big Beautiful Bill, 50000 more Americans will die every year. Most dems want to correct that.

>>1456462
Why is the federal government clawing back funds?

>>1456463
>SIX BAZILLION Americans will die unless you continue to funnel money into health insurance companies and protect artificial monopolies

>>1456479
The healthcare system we have sucks, no argument here. The problem is that the Republicans just want to wreck it and not replace it with anything. They've been railing against ACA for years and not once proposed an alternative. And now there's a fucking vaccine denier and herbal suppliment pusher in charge of HHS.

>>1456449
It shouldn't be that surprising. We've never actually had a left-wing party, just right and center-right. And even calling the dems center-right is being pretty generous.

>>1456483
>The problem is that the Republicans just want to wreck it and not replace it with anything
They want to remove the ACA provisions that make a bad market worse
>not once proposed an alternative
Alternative is a free market

>>1456490
>They want to remove the ACA provisions that make a bad market worse
And insurance companies will lower their prices if those provisions get removed?

>>1456491
They wont have a choice because the artificial boundaries inserted into the market by the ACA will be removed.

You know that its done by zipcode, right? The size of your local market is the exact size of your zipcode.

>>1456490
>Alternative is a free market
That's not a replacement for jack shit. That's the situation we had before the ACA with jack shit covered and fucktons of people uninsured.

Also anyone suggesting free market solutions for inelastic goods should be sterilized and have their tongue and hands removed.

>>1456494
>They wont have a choice
Come on, man. You don't believe this shit.

>>1456495
>That's the situation we had before the ACA with jack shit covered and fucktons of people uninsured.
Thats the situation we had when you got way more coverage for your $ and prices were generally the same or better.
>Also anyone suggesting free market solutions for inelastic goods
Its insurance, you fucking retard.

>>1456491
There are literally trained agents that would come by the homes of every American and give them blowjobs if the ACA is repealed.
Especially that shitty provision that forces them to spend 80% of collected funds on actual healthcare instead of going into insurance company pockets.
Without that, they wouldn't have had to jack up the price to make their billions, they just would have taken the 60% off the top.
Why do Dems hate Americans by not enabling insurance leeches?

>>1456497
I believe that removing artificial boundaries will end localized monopolies and thus force companies to compete on a national scale. More competition will result in better prices. They literally will not have a choice.

While allowing them to deny coverage for people with pre-existing conditions or unhealthy lifestyles will reduce the risk pool and will further drop prices.

>>1456499
Under the ACA prices have exploded and insurance companies are making record profits. You're just not aware of it because its papered over with taxes.

>>1456367
>food stamps and paying government retards
Is that what this shit was all about? If dems were shutting it down than that's based. We need to end these govt handouts that are making us lazy and degenerate and making the country broke. Airlines closing down sucks but govt shouldn't have a say in how airlines are run to began with. Privatize them I say.

>>1456502
so are you a health care shill, or are you just so well trained to bend over for leeches that you're just doing it for free?

>>1456504
Nah, I'm just smarter than you are. Keep shilling for state-subsidized profits for big healthcare.

>why should taxes pay for insurances leeches when we can just pay the leeches directly?
lmao, so just a retard then
the real answer is cut out the leeches

>>1456505
This. Repealing Obamacare would singlehandedly fix healthcare in this country, just like ending all student subsidies would bring the price of colleges down. It's basic fucking economics.

>>1456506
You say they're leeches, but then you crash your car, and you have to pay out of pocket for tens of thousands of dollars. Medical care is never cheap, which is why insurance is a valuable service. Without it, we would all be worse off.

>>1456508
>unload your record profits in my anus daddy
Nah, we'll just keep shooting CEOs

>>1456198
Johnson is already saying he's not going to put it up to a vote, so yeah, they're a bunch of retards and corposhills.

>>1456509
That's because you are a terrorist though

>>1456509
You realize that I, as someone who has to pay for health insurance, also want cheap health insurance? Right? You understand this basic principle?

>>1456512
Healthcare shouldn't be too cheap in my mind. Ideally it would filter out the dregs and useless eaters. If you fuck up and get fired, there should be consequences. You need to earn your medical care in the US. It would also help keep services at a high quality. If everyone was using hospitals then there would not be enough doctors and equipment. It would be like Canada where you are waiting decades for life saving treatment.

>>1456458
>Why were most Democrats not wanting to do that
One of them went on record stating that if they didn't they were worried that their violent leftist base would murder them French style

>>1456512
maybe you can help me
every time i start thinking about kissing boys my pee pee gets hard, and my dad hits me with a sock full of golf balls
how do i tell him i'm committed to being straight even if my pee pee isn't?

>>1456512
He thinks anyone who makes over $50k yearly is a far right fascist

>>1456517
>uh uh uh yeah free market fixes health care
>uh uh no just a youtube on econ 101...
>uh uh YEAH I LOVE GETTING FUCKED BY BILLIONAIRES

>>1456518
>>uh uh uh yeah free market fixes health care
Yes.
>>uh uh no just a youtube on econ 101..
Yes. Basic principles.
>uh uh YEAH I LOVE GETTING FUCKED BY BILLIONAIRES
No, I dont. Thats why I want to remove the ACA. Billionaires love the ACA.

>>1456522
but if retarded gen a burnouts can't see that free market principles don't apply to health care, does that mean its okay that my pee pee gets hard when I think about boys kissing boys?

>>1456526
>the principles that apply to all insurance dont apply to this specific type of insurance because... uh reasons

>>1456531
cmon faggot, i thought closeted homosexuals stick together
answer the pee pee question

>>1456533
Sorry bud, I'm here to talk healthcare. I'm not dealing with whatever issues you're dealing with.

>>1456535
The free market fails in health care primarily due to asymmetric information and market power imbalances:

Patients lack perfect information: Unlike buying a car, you often can't "shop around" for a heart attack or cancer treatment. You don't know the price, quality, or necessity of care in advance, and you're not in a position to negotiate while in pain or unconscious. Doctors and hospitals hold all the knowledge, leading to over-treatment, price gouging, or unnecessary procedures.
Inelastic demand: Health care isn't optional like consumer goods. If you need insulin or surgery to survive, you'll pay any price. This removes price sensitivity, allowing providers to charge far above costs without losing customers.
Adverse selection and moral hazard: Without regulation, healthy people opt out of insurance, leaving only the sick—driving premiums up in a death spiral (adverse selection). Insured patients may overuse care since they don't pay the full cost (moral hazard), inflating expenses.

Real-world evidence: The U.S. has the most market-driven health system among developed nations yet spends ~18% of GDP on health care (double the OECD average) with worse outcomes (lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality). Countries with heavier regulation (e.g., UK, Canada) achieve universal coverage at half the cost per capita.
A pure free market assumes informed, rational consumers with choices—conditions that simply don't exist when your life is on the line.

my pee pee is a healthcare question, so answer it

>>1456526
>but if retarded gen a burnouts can't see that free market principles don't apply to health care
They actually do and there's plenty of proof for that. Look at all the medical procedures that are not subsidized by the government and insurance don't pay for. Lasix and cosmetic surgery is dirt cheap. Everything is artificially inflated because of Medicare/medicaid
>Hurr not a fair compairson
A cardiovascular surgeon or neurosurgeon is never going to be cheap. Those specialties don't exist in other countries for a reason in the way they do in the US.

>>1456536
>pulls some shit from Chatgpt
lmao.

You're confusing "healthcare" with "health insurance". How is health "insurance" different from any other form of "insurance"?

>>1456539
wow, thats a serious goalpost move for such a little man!
but really, you gotta tell us how you keep out intrusive thoughts of fucking other men in the cow pasture or whereever faggots go in your village

>>1456540
>goalpost shift
I've only ever been talking about health insurance.

>ree help me I'm gay!
I dont care about your personal issues. I'm here to talk health insurance.

>>1456544
Look, I get the knee-jerk “it’s AI, so who cares” reflex—but that’s a dodge, not a rebuttal. The argument above isn’t some ChatGPT fever dream; it’s built on decades of peer-reviewed health-economics literature (Arrow 1963, Pauly 1968, Cutler & Zeckhauser 2000, etc.). If you think the sources are wrong, cite the counter-evidence instead of waving the “AI” flag.
And no, health insurance isn’t “just like” car or home insurance. Those markets work because:

You can shop around before the claim (compare quotes, deductibles, coverage).
Claims are rare and predictable (most years you pay premiums and get nothing).
You’re not unconscious when you buy (or when the service is rendered).

Health events are the opposite: sudden, life-or-death, and informationally opaque. That’s why every attempt to run pure market health insurance—pre-ACA individual markets, medical savings accounts, etc.—ended in adverse-selection death spirals or 40%+ uninsured rates.
If you have data showing a real free-market health system that delivers universal coverage at OECD-average costs, drop the link. Otherwise, the “other insurance works” line is just a category error.

>>1456540
>out intrusive thoughts of fucking other men in the cow pasture or whereever faggots go in your village
What an oddly specific thing to say.

Non-American confirmed.

>>1456546
>he asked chatgpt for a response to my post
lmao.

>You can shop around before the claim
You shop for a policy.
>Claims are rare and predictable
Same with health insurance.
>You’re not unconscious when you buy
The whole point of insurance is that it doesn't matter because you are either covered, or you're not.

This is such a waste of time. Arguing with some brit about a system he can barely comprehend.

>>1456549
Hey brother, I know the village is small, the streets are narrow, and every whisper travels faster than the wind. Hiding in shadows, chasing quick moments with strangers who won’t even look you in the eye tomorrow—that’s not living, that’s surviving on scraps. You deserve the full meal: someone who calls you by name, who stays for coffee the morning after, who meets your family without fear. Anonymous hookups might feel safe because they come with an off-switch, but they also come with a price tag you pay in silence, shame, and the slow erosion of your own worth.
You’re Brazilian—warm, loud, proud, born under a sky that doesn’t apologize for its colors. That same blood runs in you. The guy who laughs with his whole chest at the bar, who dances forró like the floor owes him money, who helps his avó carry groceries without being asked—that guy doesn’t need to shrink at night. The village may gossip, but gossip dies when someone stands tall enough to outlive it. Start with one trusted friend, one cousin, one tía who already suspects. Let the truth out in teaspoons, not floods. You’ll be shocked how many spoons were already waiting for sugar.
Imagine ten years from now: you’re still here, maybe running the little hardware store, maybe teaching kids capoeira on the square. And there’s a man beside you—holding your hand in the open, arguing over whose turn it is to grill the picanha, planning a trip to Salvador together. That future isn’t a fantasy; it’s a choice you begin making the day you stop treating your heart like contraband. The first step is simple: next time you feel the pull toward the dark corner of the praça, walk the other way—toward the light, toward your own front door, toward the life that has your real name on it. You’re not alone, cara. You never were.

>>1456551
>I know the village is small
>village
101% non-American.

The free market runs on raw incentives—no sermons, no safety nets. Private insurance is its sharpest blade: you pay to hedge against ruin, and companies price the odds. Healthy? Cheap. Risky? Pay up or walk.
For decades, that math punished openness. AIDS turned gay men into actuarial poison; insurers hiked rates, denied coverage, or flat-out refused. The closet became a discount code. Stay quiet, keep your job, your plan, your life. Disclosure wasn’t just personal—it was financial suicide.
Even post-ACA, the game’s subtler. Orientation’s protected, but data isn’t. Zip codes, partners on forms, PrEP scripts—insurers sniff edges without asking. Hide, and you might save thousands. Come out, and the system shrugs: your choice, your cost.
The market doesn’t hate; it calculates. Silence still has value. That’s not morality—that’s price discovery.

>>1456197
>Johnson refuses to allow vote on extension
>Government shuts down for the same reason next time we need to pass funding
Welp, see you guys in two months.

>>1456443
I hate that this is so accurate

Dear Hak-Queen and Cuck Shroomer and the leftist on here who worship you, we offered, you refused, offer rescinded. Suck it. Your ACA subsidies are shit down the toilet. The work will proceed. Venezuela will be nuked. Canada will be conquered. Trump will make America great again.

>>1456522
>No, I dont. Thats why I want to remove the ACA. Billionaires love the ACA.
This. Repeal ACA. Privatize medicair/caid and VAHealth and the billionaires will actually need to compete for our money. Prices will go down, service quality will increase, and the people who leech on the system will either shape up or die.

>>1456566
>billionaires will actually need to compete for our money
why

>>1456567
Because they won't be sucking up guaranteed income from the government. Learn some basic economics.

>>1456569
why does that matter

>>1456566
>Prices will go down, service quality will increase, and the people who leech on the system will either shape up or die.
>Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make

>>1456574
Obamacare fixed my dick for free even though I'm here illegally.
I didn't even want the fertility treatments, but my doctor insisted on quadrupling my sperm count

>>1456572
>Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make
What's wrong with modern men is that we're too soft. We get our dicks in a pretzel when we see a kid die of the flu. But for the golden age of humanity, when we were all conservative, death was so common place that people barely batted an eye. Death is good for society. Seeing it is good for people. It is a reminder of what happens when you fail. It hardens the hearts of people and make them more willing to lay down their lives for what is right. Death makes people value religion more. Death makes good conservatives.

>>1456569
>Because they won't be sucking up guaranteed income from the government
You mean the ACA?
>Give private insurance companies billions of dollars to give lower rates
>They don't actually lower rates and the cheapest rates cover absolutely nothing that you couldn't get for a $150 self pay visit.

>>1456577
>our dicks
now its pretending to be male

>>1456579
>>Give private insurance companies billions of dollars to give lower rates
wait, which country was dumb enough to try this?
I'm not familiar with non-American health care

>>1456584
Private insurance doesn't exist in other countries. They don't need it.

>>1456586
why does a group of record profit making billionaires need to be involved in health care in the first place?
just keep out fraud and everyone else needs to be healthy, its not complicated

>>1456501
>They literally will not have a choice.
THERE'S NO FUCKING REGULATION. NOBODY CAN FORCE THEM. THERE WAS NOBODY TO FORCE THEM BEFORE ACA. THERE IS NOBODY TO FORCE THEM AFTER ITS GONE. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

So what was actually gained out of this shutdown, it seems like the answer is "nothing"

>>1456594
you're not smoking enough fentanyl for it to make sense

>>1456590
>why does a group of record profit making billionaires need to be involved in health care in the first place?
Because in America doctors join up and form large corporations and health networks (hospitals) which are allowed to charge whatever they want for services no matter how exorbitant. That's why you pay $50 for one aspirin in hospital but a bottle of it is $2.99 at walgreens.

>>1456586
You're fucking retarded and you shouldn't be allowed to vote or live.

So is socialized healthcare, and anyone who supports it in any way, evil?

>>1456598
Why are you angry though?

>>1456596
I should have realized you're not a fucking American without any stake in this.

>>1456600
Who said I'm angry? I'm just pointing out your American education, retard.

Personally I do think America definitely should have some sort of socialized healthcare plan that anyone can enroll in if they don't have an employer offering a decent health plan

it makes sense that poor people should be able to visit some sort of local barber surgeon for immediate urgent or emergency care when they need something like a broken leg set, a tooth pulled, or a bloodletting, rather than them going to normal doctors and normal hospitals, filling them up and not being able to pay while making it worse on the working class

>>1456577
>It is a reminder of what happens when you fail.
So you're admitting the Republican healthcare plan is pure failure. Got it.

>>1456605
We do.

>>1456586
>Private insurance doesn't exist in other countries. They don't need it.
>>1456602
>Who said I'm angry?
Oh, I dunno
>>1456598
>You're fucking retarded and you shouldn't be allowed to vote or live.
You tell me

>>1456608
It's not my job to tell you why you're retarded.
Additionally, if you knew why you were unreasonably retarded I wouldn't be able to laugh at you.
So there's no incentive for me to explain why you're retarded.

>>1456610
Is this the part where you call every other country with universal healthcare "socialist"?

>>1456602
>>Who said I'm angry?
Again
>>1456610
>It's not my job to tell you why you're retarded
You tell me

>>1456610
is socialized healthcare, and anyone who supports it in any way, evil?

>it used to be said that Americans had no concept of Irony
>there are Americans in the past few decades who recognize Irony
>there are certainly Americans who can recognize Sarcasm
>>1456608
>>1456602
>Who said I'm angry?
>Oh, I dunno
>>1456598
>You're fucking retarded and you shouldn't be allowed to vote or live.
>You tell me
>>1456610 isn't American then.

>>1456613
Nah. It'll mean more to you if you figure it out on your own. I refuse. But I'll give you a hint, your post I replied to contains ridiculously uneducated and absolutely false information consistent with a mentally challenged individual's understanding of the subject.
I'll give you a high-five if you make a post correcting yourself anddetailing why you are retarded, Mr. Gump.

>it used to be said that Americans had no concept of Irony
>there are Americans in the past few decades who recognize Irony
>if you make a post correcting yourself anddetailing
>correcting yourself
>anddetailing
>>1456618 isn't American then

>>1456619
No I'm not. You'll see i referenced your "American education". That is assuming your not a UN jeet shill left over from the times on COVID, desperately seeking to keep your job.

>there are Americans who recognize Projection
>ridiculously uneducated
>doesn't recognize Irony
>doesn't recognize Sarcasm
Educated Americans recognize those things. I'd say >>1456620 isn't American, but
>No I'm not
I don't need to. Oh, and this one is the clincher
>That is assuming your not a UN jeet shill
>your
I don't need to assume anything. You're not educated. You'll see I referenced your inferior education that isn't from any educational establishment in America, thus the irony in your projection.

>>1456624
Maybe trolling isn't working tonight?

>it used to be said that Americans had no concept of Irony
>there are Americans in the past few decades who recognize Irony
>there are certainly Americans who can recognize Sarcasm
>there are Americans who recognize Metaphor and the use of such
>there are Americans who not only recognize Sarcasm, but how it can be used within a Metaphorical Question
>Oh, I dunno
>You tell me
The shill will never be American.

>>1456626
What?

>>1456631
What?

>>1456611
Sure.
>>1456614
Yes. And here's why"
1. The road to hell is paved with good intentions
2. Thou shalt not steal
3. Thou shalt not covet
Supporting evidence:
7 deadly sins of Greed, Sloth, Envy and Wrath.
Seems pretty evil when you use the government to do it.
What's stopping you from starting your own healthcare charity?
That's the opposite of evil and fixes everything you're complaining about, dunnit?

>>1456633
You have been indoctrinated.

>>1456634
Yes, I have. By the good guys.

In 1948, something was created: the National Health Service in Britain. While it was instituted by the Labour Prime Minister Clement Attlee, and was applauded by the previous PM, it was planned during WWII by that same PM. Someone who admires that PM who planned the NHS - socialized healthcare - today, demonstrated by a bust of that wartime NHS-planning PM in the Oval Office.
So thanks for admitting that - as he admires Winston Churchill - Trump is evil, >>1456633

>>1456636
Oh man, this "gotcha" sure got me.
Look, AIDS-queer, tranny, dyke, turbo faggot, teenager, I'd love to give you everything FOR FREE so you can sit in a dimly lit corner and create furry porn while you apply violent friction to your genderless crotch nub, but I'm not your mom or your dad (thank God).

>>1456614
Appealing to the lowest common denominator with free healthcare so you can graft communism to the most successful nation in history is evil.

Communists have killed far more people than fascists but you retards keep subverting foreign nations in a bid to create utopia.

>>1456638
>thank God
Someone who healed the sick without asking for payment. Either (check one):
[ ] Jesus - who is God - is all for socialized healthcare and all your opinions are wrong
[ ] In doing so, Jesus is evil, therefore your only possible alternative is to admit that Jesus never existed in the first place
Choose wisely. *Tips Indiana Jones-style fedora*
>AIDS-queer, tranny, dyke, turbo faggot
Mstthew 5:22: 'But I have added to that rule and tell you that if you are only angry, even in your own home, you are in danger of judgment! If you call your friend an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse him, you are in danger of the fires of hell'
So either (check one):
[ ] That's you hell-bound
[ ] Even more reason to become an atheist
Choose wisely. *Tips Trilby*

>>1456639
By admiring the NHS-planning Winston Churchill - thus having a bust of him in the Oval Office - Trump is evil

>>1456640
>I got quotes and false dichotomies tonight and I'm all out of SANITY!!! Wooo!
Bring me a real Jesus who can heal people with sacred powers and you can have your free healthcare since it don't cost shit.
>your friend
You're so not my friend. And despite quoting everyone ever, you don't accept the ancient wisdom of quotes from certain sources. Why is that?

>>1456638
>(thank God)
>>1456642
>Bring me a real Jesus
The duality of the hypocrite

>>1456643
Why? I am an atheist.

>>1456644
>I am an atheist
>>1456638
>(thank God)
Again, the duality of the hypocrite

>>1456642
>ancient wisdumb
ftfy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFI6MwlLJ08

Don't like this guy, find him cringe af, but fuck he's right there

>>1456646
lel. You got owned by the Bible, CHODE.

>>1456597
You're retarded. The doctors have nothing to do with the hospital prices. They're just wage slaves. Medicare and Medicaid are why insurance costs are ridiculous.

>>1456679
>Medicare and Medicaid are why insurance costs are ridiculous.
Why was Medicaid created anon? Surely it had nothing to do with the fact people were literally dying because they had to choose between treatment and bankruptcy.

Chuds are owned due to a Big Book of Hearsay being fictional

>>1456680
It was to ensure hospitals and doctors get paid.
Then used to inflate the cost of medicine, and ensure guaranteed profits via government checks.

>>1456686
So what happens without it anon?

>>1456693
the shills rich master gets taxed less
who cares after that?

>>1456680
They were created because the liberals wanted the government to control healthcare and mimic the European model, except do it in a way that enriches corporations

>>1456757
Liberals wanted single payer. Republicans forced the “compromise” of insurance subsidies when Obama was trying to pass ACA. The original plan was single payer. Republicans said “what about all the health insurance company jobs?” And threw a fit about how it would “wreck an entire industry.” So democrats compromised to get health insurance to millions of people and made this shit deal that enriches insurance companies.

It was republicans and has always been republicans who stood in the way of single payer health care that every other civilized country in the world uses.

Yes it is stupidity for democrats to shut down the government for insurance subsidies now. They should have shut down the government to demand single payer health care for all citizens and the demolition of the health Insurance industry in general.

>>1456766
Not a single Republican voted for the ACA in the House or the Senate.

Its not a compromise. Its the bill that Democrats wanted to pass. Its designed to do exactly what Democrats wanted to do.

>>1456693
The industry crashes, and then has to be rebuilt around being affordable or doctors starve.

>>1456769
John McCain

>>1456769
>Not a single Republican voted for the ACA in the House or the Senate
I thought this was false and I actually looked it up.
You're right, not a single Republican voted for it in either chamber. It was completely a Democrat bill

>>1456781
Is posthumously a Democrat, like most Democrats.

>>1456780
And in the meantime, Americans die.

>>1456781
He did not vote for the passage of the ACA.

This is 100% on Dems. They could have passed single payer if they wanted to.

>>1456782
Yep. Once you understand that the party has been 100% opposed to this shit from the start you understand how absolutely ridiculous it was for democrats to shut down the government over it.

Any republican who voted for the credits would lose his seat in the next cycle. So it was a complete no go from the start.

>>1456785
Yes. Many gorrilions died before Dems passed the ACA in the early 2010s. We barely survived the first 240s years of our countries history.

>>1456791
This is insanity, so Democrats passed the ACA completely on their own with absolutely zero public support, and then they blame Republicans for passing a bad aca?
What the hell is these people's problem

>>1456797
Just that bologna turd-nugget does.

>>1456797
They maximize short-term gains at the expense of long-term stability in any given system. And I don't mean this as a jab at dems, but just a statement of fact.
When the ACA was signed it tightened the noose on coverage networks; insurance providers who had contracts with dentists, doctors, specialists etc at a discounted rate were ordered to limit their networks to a few big healthcare providers.
One guy I know had to shutter his business because once his customers decidedly acquired healthcare through the ACA marketplate, he couldn't take their insurance anymore. So they either had to pay out of pocket or not see him anymore.
The driving force behind the ACA was healthcare lobbyists bribing democrats so that they could have an effective monopoly on healthcare services.
This was obviously good for dems who had stock investments in those healthcare providers, but it came at the cost of making living in America dramatically worse by raising premiums.
The people who support this shit justify it because they're global liberals. If America falls into anarchy they don't give a shit, they have a cottage in Vancouver, the Virgin Islands or wherever. If things become hard they can leave.

>>1456803
Forgot to add: A lot of them are dog-brained people who think that they can just lie their way out of any situation. They just shift the blame and then move on to the next grift.

>>1456803
>One guy I know had to shutter his business because once his customers decidedly acquired healthcare through the ACA marketplate, he couldn't take their insurance anymore. So they either had to pay out of pocket or not see him anymore.
Pretty apt description of ACA aside from the above. A choice was made not to accept the insurance if your friend had a private practice.

>>1456803
Good post

>>1456663
The only time Stewart has been totally wrong was his 'Rally to restore sanity' where he tried to falsely equate the tea baggers with everyone else.
He's been spot on about everything else, especially the media going full conservative bias or democrats being insanely retarded.

Also the 4 posts above me are a same fag

>>1456663
That's an interesting analysis..

Democrats weren't gaining any ground with their shutdown, and knew it, and so they threw 6 senators under the bus who were not up for re-election so that they could end the shutdown without being murdered by their constituencies.

Actually makes a whole lot of sense

>>1456663
Good Lord. All the geriatric democrat politicians at 15:15 shaking their canes and chanting before nearly falling over and needing to be caught is so representative of their party lol

>>1456825
Other way around, the dam was finally breaking against trump, especially over the fact he was willing to starve and murder children by illegally blocking SNAP.
You had a right wing pollster Nate Silver even confirmed that was what was really doing damage to trump.
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-2674284408/

Between that and the holiday travel being ratfucked by the trump shutdown, democrats had the advantage. But they got stabbed in the back by their right wing faction, yet again.
The only silver lining is we might start seeing the uniparty break and the right wing democrats finally getting primaried out since now they can all be branded that they will not stand up to trump and his authoritarianism and cruelty.

>>1456827
There are Republican senators who are even older.

>>1456828
>the right wing democrats finally getting primaried out
I don't think that that's likely because 95% of elected democrats are the right wing democrats.
>holiday travel
That's what did it. I think that neither party wanted a situation where cancelled flights and economic disruption led to concessions. Neither party wanted people to see economic disruption leading to concessions because that might give people ideas. I think that they prefer to have people see that they're willing to cut their healthcare and let them starve. And so do their donors.

>>1456840
The democrats are a right wing party, but the democrats who sided with republicans would easily all caucus with the republicans 20-30 years ago. So they're even more right wing than the average ones.

>>1456840
most people don't understand that the senate is a counterweight against the house of representatives, senators are the elitist yin to the populist rabble yang in the lower house. you don't have to be a sabine to get in these days, but you won't make it far without being in lockstep with the rest of the senate. of course, that whole honor code is currently nosediving into a weimar style shitheap, but before trump that's how it was at least

>The democrats are a right wing party
The newly-elected mayor of New York City destroys that opinion

>Actually thinking people are stupid enough to fall for this on /news/
A reminder the democratic leadership refused to endorse their candidate and would rather conspire with trump than back who the people wanted.
The New York election proved the democrats are right wing, even though the people desperately want them to shift left.

>>1456606
unironically why *shouldn't* you have to work to stay alive?

Welfare is conceptually evil and shouldn't exist, every country that has welfare falls into ruin with an unmotivated population that also becomes uncharitable and more selfish since they are no longer forced to be helpful to people around them and can just be kept alive all on their own without any effort.
Society should be where people are forced to have to keep themselves alive and help others and a society in which people sink or swim and the vagrants are rightfully just left to die like it used to be is noble and means morality becomes a voluntary - and necessary choice - that people willingly opt-into rather than being enforced top-down by a beurocratic behemoth making it where people don't even need to think about being actively morally good on their own

many of society's modern ills are caused by the cultural fabric of society being amoral by virtue of the fact that welfare exists

As the Good Book Says:
>he who does not work, neither shall he or his progeny eat

>The New York election proved the democrats are right wing
The newly-elected mayor of New York City destroys that opinion

>>1456926
What?

>>1456926
>beurocratic
Thanks for admitting you're not American.

>Actually thinking people are stupid enough to fall for this on /news/
A reminder the democratic leadership refused to endorse their candidate and would rather conspire with trump than back who the people wanted.
The New York election proved the democrats are right wing, even though the people desperately want them to shift left.

>>1456963
blue maga is real and the controlled opposition party is furious that real progressives are making waves

Turns out the "clean resolution" has a nice fat kickback for a bunch of Republican senators in it that they didn't tell the House about before sending it to them.