>>1457341
Just open the fucking border at this point. It's clear that the country with the lowest immigration requirements out of every western nation on the planet isn't good enough, so fuck it. Let's just send 11 million Nicaraguans to Chicago at this point.

>>1457341
>But Cummings ultimately said he’s trying to restore the status quo that existed before the Trump administration recently changed its interpretation of immigration law.
What gives him the authority to overrule the president, exactly?

>>1457351
Probably because the President didn't have the authority in the first place.

>>1457346
>Let's just send 11 million Nicaraguans to Chicago at this point
Chicago would tell you they'd be happy to have that because immigrants are our strength. Then when you actually do it they'll send them to a suburb because they know how much of a burden it would actually be
https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-investigates/chicago-welcomes-texas-migrants-then-sends-them-to-burr-ridge/

>>1457351
The part where he's violating the law and putting people in prisons with inhumane positions.

>>1457341
But Chicago has no jurisdiction over foreign nationals.

>>1457351
What gives the president the authority to engage in warrantless arrests in direct violation of a legal settlement?

>>1457356
Pretty sure 11 million able-bodied Americans showing up in Chicago would be a problem. The dose makes the poison.

>>1457397
1. Yes they do. Immigrants have to follow Chicago city laws just as much as citizens. You meant immigration.
2. It's a federal court, numbnuts.

>>1457407
So, it's legal for the judiciary to make an illegal ruling? They, even if on a federal level, have no right to interfere with foreign policy.

>>1457408
Additionally, illegal immigration is illegal and interfering with the executive in regards to enforcing federal laws should be grounds for dismissal and disbarment.

>>1457409
Anon you realize the point of the judicial branch is to reign in the executive when they violate federal laws while enforcing them, right?

US prisons have standards they need to meet to house prisoners, and US law enforcement has to meet requirements before they can arrest someone. The detention facilities Trump is using are not up to code, and the people in them were arrested without probable cause or warrants.

>>1457410
>The detention facilities Trump is using are not up to code
The same "detention facilities" that have climate control, indoor plumbing, beds, furniture, and all the other shit I didn't have in Afghanistan? Fucking leftists are a cancer on this country.

>>1457412
Volunteer bucket crab is not a viable career choice.

>>1457412
Imprisoning people in Afghanistan would be considered cruel and unusual. What is your point?

>>1457408
>So, it's legal for the judiciary to make an illegal ruling?
When judges do it, it's not illegal.

>>1457410
And what federal laws is Trump violating?

>>1457412
>Wah wah wah but my AFGHANISTAN
Don't care. We have rules for prisons here that everyone has to follow. Sucks to suck but you volunteered.

>>1457420
>prisoners held in unsanitary conditions and denied access to lawyers
>arrests and incarcerations without warrant or probable cause
>abuse of power and brutality when making those arrests

>>1457351
He's a black judge. You figure it out.

>>1457426
>>prisoners held in unsanitary conditions and denied access to lawyers
Source?
>>arrests and incarcerations without warrant or probable cause
Crime in progress isn't a probable cause?
>>abuse of power and brutality when making those arrests
Source?

>>1457426
>prisoners held in unsanitary conditions and denied access to lawyers
They're not being convicted of a crime, why would they be obligated to see a lawyer?

>>1457437
>Crime in progress isn't a probable cause?
Being in the country illegally isn't a crime. Being black or brown and in view of ICE definitely isn't.

And if you arrest someone for a crime you have to charge them and give them bail hearings and shit.

>>1457447
>Being in the country illegally isn't a crime.
I'm pretty sure it is. And bail is release (back into the country thus violating US law in doing so), so a bail hearing would be stupid in this case.
Please resolve.

>>1457450
It's a misdemeanor. Give them a ticket and let them go like every other misdemeanor.

>>1457453
>It's a misdemeanor.
..so literally a crime?

>>1457441
>They're not being convicted of a crime, why would they be obligated to see a lawyer?
Then you're not legally allowed to keep them in prison.

>>1457447
>Being in the country illegally isn't a crime.
Leftists still believe this shit no matter how many times you tell them.

>>1457453
>>1457454
It isn't a misdemeanor. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.
>And bail is release
Yeah. Unconvicted people get released generally. Something about innocent until proven guilty.

>>1457447
>Being in the country illegally isn't a crime.
>>1457453
>It's a misdemeanor.
Uh oh! Uh oh! Retard alert!

>>1457458
So the government is free to break the law?
Who will hold them accountable for these crimes?

>>1457425
And those prisons they were in met the same fucking standards. You retards are bitching about them using the water fountains on top of their toilets - oblivious to the fact that it's the FUCKING STANDARD for every prison facility in the goddamn country. You fucking morons. The same water fountain/toilet combination made of fucking steel with plumbing powerful enough to drain any prison shank. You dumb motherfuckers.

>>1457459
The dipshit that followed up behind me isn't me. He is a dipshit though.

>>1457460
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>1457462
Yeah that's not the issues being alleged here
>https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/broadview-ice-facility-judge-attorneys-inspect
>Detainees testified that they were held without access to phones, attorneys, or adequate food and water. They described sleeping on concrete floors beside overflowing toilets, with no blankets, showers, or privacy.

>>1457465
So bullshit, bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. The same bullshit we heard about naked kids being zip-tied in the freezing rains of Chicago that never happened. Y'know maybe if you filthy rat leftists didn't LIE ALL THE FUCKING TIME ABOUT EVERYTHING (hands up don't shoot, he crossed state lines, good people on both sides, etc.) maybe I'd believe have the dumb shit you say. But since you can't be trusted, either provide real evidence beyond "Dude just trust me" or shut the fuck up and hang yourself.

>>1457467
>It's all bullshit
>But no you can't actually come in and examine the holding facilities
Well we're literally about to get an inspection, so we'll see. Remember when you were saying the same shit about Alligator Alcatraz and, whoops, turned out it actually WAS not up to code in both an environmental and prison sense, and promptly got shut the fuck down?

>>1457467
>Y'know maybe if you filthy rat leftists didn't LIE ALL THE FUCKING TIME ABOUT EVERYTHING
Hey how's gas prices? Surely they're below $2. And what about those Epstein files that aren't real but are about to be release anyway? How's Obama's birth certificate looking? And, oh right, did you ever actually prove that guy was having sex with Pelosi's husband and wasn't a MAGA schizo?

>>1457468
>Well we're literally about to get an inspection, so we'll see.
Yeah we'll see if you can actually provide a valid source that backs up everything you claim for once in your pathetic subhuman life - beyond "Well this criminal said X and why would he lie to me?".

>>1457469
>Hey how's gas prices?
Better than they were under Biden.
>Surely they're below $2.
At least they're not above $5 again.

>>1457473
Funny, your boy was saying they were under $2. Actual lowest price at the time was about $2.50
>https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/02/politics/fact-check-trump-gas-prices

>>1457469
Gas prices are falling, Republicans released 25,000 pages of epstien files, idk about the other fringe shit your pulling up.

>>1457468
Alagator Alcatraz is under construction. The Judges ruling with reversed on appeal.

You dudes keep doing this thing where you stop paying attention after the district court rules and thus always miss the inevitable reversal on appeal.

>>1457475
Oh so now the president controls gas prices again? I though he didn't have control over the economy - or does that only apply when your guy is in office?

>>1457351
He's the law pretty much?
>and interfering with the executive in regards to enforcing federal laws
He's violating federal laws actually, as per the courts, which has the role to make that interpretation.

>>1457478
>violating federal laws actually, as per the courts, which has the role to make that interpretation
Which will be appealed and reversed. Like always.

>>1457480
>Like always.
Kek, sure.

>>1457481
>Kek, sure
Yes. Alligator Alcatarz is the perfect example. Its current both under construction and holding inmates.

>>1457476
>The Judges ruling with reversed on appeal.
Nope. They're just dragging their feet and got two pet judges to pause the order while it's under review. They claimed it didn't count as a federal project that needed environmental review because it only used state funds... except, whoopsie, turns out they DID receive 600 million from the federal government to build it.
>https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2025/10/02/florida-receives-fema-reimbursement-for-alligator-alcatraz/
Meaning the ruling that revived it is now rendered void.

>>1457475
You didn't answer my fucking question, boy. Does the president control gas prices or does your bullshit excuse only work when a dem is in office?

>>1457483
No. There is a stay. The facility is both under construction and being used to detain people.

>>1457484
I'm not saying he controls gas prices retard. I'm saying he lied about what they were to your face. Objectively too; there still isn't a single station in the whole country where it's the 1.98 he said it was a month or two ago.

>>1457351
>why isn't the president a king
Quintessential esl shill question right here

>>1457488
Still closer than anything Biden gave us so I don't know why you're flexing "DURR HE SAD 2 BUT IZ ONLY 2 FIDDY DURRR" like a fucking retard, other than the fact that you're fucking retarded and voted for an alzheimer patient to run our country into the ground. Whatever number Trump landed on was a vast fucking improvement over the walking corpse of a last administration you chimps gave us.

>>1457487
There WAS a stay. But now it's been exposed they did actually use federal funds for it, meaning the reason for the stay (That it didn't need to comply with environmental regulations because it was made entirely with state funding) is now invalid. They used the shutdown as an excuse to not address this for the last month, on the grounds of "well wait until we can get our lawyers to work again!", but now that's over and Alligator Alcatraz is going to shut down again as soon as the court resumes.

They had one clause to block the shutdown and now we know it was invalid. Goodbye.

>>1457491
The stay is still in place.

>>1457490
Yeah but he still lied to your face. Directly. That's the matter at hand here, not your goalpost moving to "WELL GAS IS DOING GREAT WHO CARES IF DONALD TRUMP LIED DIRECTLY ABOUT IT TO MAKE HIMSELF SEEM BET

>>1457492
Not for much longer. Government only reopened last night and it being closed was the only thing preventing the environmental agency from going back to court and shutting it down again for failing to comply with regulations.

>>1457493
Yeah him being a few cents off the mark is totally a comparable lie to all the dumb shit you've said over the last 15 years
>(hands up don't shoot, he crossed state lines, good people on both sides, etc.)
Wow you really got him Anon. Good job faggot.

>>1457494
So the stay is still in place?

>>1457495
>he was just a few cents off the mark, it's fine
>(gas was actually almost half a dollar more than he said)
Oh and we wanna talk about things involving life imperiling activities, how about all the people claiming Pelosi was attacked by a gay ex lover? How about all the trans shooters that weren't actually trans? Oh, or, or, how about that time he kept lying about an immigrant community based on the actions of a single crackhead on the other side of the state?

>>1457496
Again, it's on borrowed time. The stay was under the assumption that no federal reimbursement was used for construction of the facility. We now know that isn't true. The sole reason it is still open is because Trump and DeSantis lied to the judges.

>>1457497
>how about all the people claiming Pelosi was attacked by a gay ex lover?
South Park?
>How about all the trans shooters that weren't actually trans?
Such as? Oh and that reminds me, tell me more how the Charlie Kirk shooter is actually a far-right groyper - while he's fucking a tranny.
>Oh, or, or, how about that time he kept lying about an immigrant community based on the actions of a single crackhead on the other side of the state?
The eating cats and dogs story?

How can anyone be confused that right wing retards have tranny fetishes?
We have a prime example on this board

>>1457499
>South Park?
No, Trump Jr and Representative Clay Higgins among several others.
>Such as?
Robb Elementary Uvalde shooter, Wisconsin Church shooter, and the Lakewood Church shooter were all alleged to be trans, which was complete bullshit. There's also that one aircraft collision in DC that Matt Wallace said was the fault of a trans pilot who wasn't involved at all, who then promptly sued him for defamation.
>The eating cats and dogs story?
Yeah, remember that? Remember how he said with confidence that dogs and cats were going missing because all the haitians were eating them? Remember how it turned out there was a single story of a crackhead on the other side of the fucking state who ate a cat who wasn't even an immigrant? Fun fact; that town is dying again. Trump cost them their population boom from immigrants and the ones that moved there are beginning to leave, which means they started regressing back to the negative growth levels they were trying to avoid by advertising to migrants. Trump casually fucks over a whole town with a hoax and never even bothered to apologize.

>>1457490
Ah so Trump would have magiced the gas pricehike at the outbreak of the ukranian/russian war away?

>>1457502
>No, Trump Jr and Representative Clay Higgins among several others.
And South Park did a whole bit on Pelosi being a faggot, but because they're not Republicans they won't get any flak.
>Robb Elementary Uvalde shooter,
I don't remember anyone claiming he was a tranny but I'll give you this one because all of these are inconsequential bullshit no where near the level of "Hands Up Don't Shoot" or "He Crossed State Lines" - and I'm too busy right now to look each of your examples up, so sure you can have these.
>Fun fact; that town is dying again. Trump cost them their population boom from immigrants
Oh no! What a shame! Do you think he could do the same thing for Phoenix, AZ so we stop getting so many fucking illegals committing crimes and trafficking drugs here? I'd kinda like the cartels to stop driving down I-10 with .50 cal rifles.

>>1457503
What he would've done is the opposite of Biden... Not cripple our domestic oil production with feel good green energy deals and his twice spoken agenda of getting rid of all fossil fuel companies.

>>1457504
>our
LOL

>Do you think he could do the same thing for Phoenix, AZ so we stop getting so many fucking illegals committing crimes and trafficking drugs here? I'd kinda like the cartels to stop driving down I-10 with .50 cal rifles.
No one can stop you from doing drugs and imaging things that aren't happening, so this will happen forever.
Complain about it more, faggot

>>1457502
>a single story
Police reports were flooding in from residents who had repeatedly seen haitians stealing ducks, geese and grilling cats in their own backyards.
>https://archive.is/4601L
>https://rumble.com/v5eglea-exclusive-police-audio-confirm-haitian-goose-hunting-in-ohio-they-all-had-g.html
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJDKcj3lSLM
It was decried as a conspiracy theory because the Community Relations Service reached out and tried to cover for the situation.

>>1457508
Get new talking points shill, or better yet, get a real job and stop being a supremely dislikable faggot

>>1457509
And we know they're a faggot because we've gotten multiple reports that they're a faggot.
Thats really all we need.
Its also proof that Trump is a pedophile, now that I think about it

>>1457508
Yeah these were all confirmed to be bullshit. You fell for hoaxes.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springfield_pet-eating_hoax

>>1457454
minor crimes deserve minor punishment

>>1457511
Exactly.
Honestly, who are you going to trust? The thousands of liberal dogwalkers editing wikipedia, or the people in Ohio believing their lying eyes?

>>1457512
In what way is deportation a punishment?

>>1457514
If you have to ask this then you aren't paying attention.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/the-impact-of-family-separation-on-children/

>>1457515
>UIC Today found that children who lose a parent to deportation are more prone to depression, anxiety, and academic withdrawal.
>unironic "think of the children" argument
By that reasoning we shouldn't arrest black people to prevent fatherless homes.

>>1457512
And Supreme Court ruled that deportation isn't a punishment. Checkmate!

>>1457513
>the people in Ohio believing their lying eyes?
People in Ohio who weren't actually people in Ohio, but random fraudsters on the internet pretending to live in Ohio.

Like you realize the PD confirmed those calls were fake, right?

>>1457346
Everybody is going back, Paco.

>>1457455
We're not keeping them in prison, we're deporting them back to the shitholes they came from. There's a difference. Due process is a right afforded to American citizens, not foreign invaders.

>>1457489
There are 179 federal court circuit judges who are appointed for life, and one president we vote on every four years.

If you believe that every dickhead circuit judge has the authority to overrule the president, then you have no clue what co-equal branches are or are supposed to mean.

Madison said good luck to SCOTUS enforcing their decision when they said he couldn't legally move the Indians to Indian reservations. Guess where the Indians ended up.

>>1457524
>Madison
Apologies, it was actually Andrew Jackson and not Madison who told SCOTUS to fuck off. Slight correction.

>>1457523
>We're not keeping them in prison, we're deporting them back to the shitholes they came from.
But you are keeping them in prison, because they have a legal right to try asylum claims. So, either get your holding facilities up to snuff, or let them go.
>Due process is a right afforded to American citizens, not foreign invaders.
Actually not true either. Try again.

>>1457341
>Immigration advocates have said that law only applies to “noncitizens who recently arrived at a border or port of entry,” not to people who have lived in the country for an extended period of time. And more than 100 judges across the country have apparently agreed with them.
That's a load of shit, so apparently you can break any immigration law by just hiding from the cops like you're dodging stars from GTA.

>>1457526
>Actually not true either. Try again.
NTA, pretty sure Obama-era ruled asylum claimers don't have the same level of due process as natural born Americans.

>>1457528
Look up the specific law they're talking about.
>https://immigrantjustice.org/final-settlement-regarding-ice-warrantless-arrests-and-vehicle-stops-overview-of-settlement-requirements-and-remedies/
TL;DR, it boils down to the fact that these arrests were made warrantless without proper checks, and, per the law, that makes it illegitimate to detain them before actual determinations and court dates can be set. Ties to the community are included in signs that officers do not have probable cause to assume someone is illegal and detain them immediately. They effectively had no legal right to detain them immediately without a warrant for their arrest.

>>1457530
>NTA, pretty sure Obama-era ruled asylum claimers don't have the same level of due process as natural born Americans.
Not true. 5th and 14th amendments apply to all persons in the US, citizen or not. This was upheld in 1995 with Reno v. Flores.

>>1457533
>made warrantless without proper checks
Warrants are not required for ICE to arrest illegals, and never have been.

It's really not that hard to prove you're a legal citizen, generally speaking. Unless you aren't.

>>1457535
>Warrants are not required for ICE to arrest illegals, and never have been.
Explain Castañon Nava et al. v. Department of Homeland Security et al then, which explicitly forbids them from doing that, at least in llinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kentucky, and Kansas.

>It's really not that hard to prove you're a legal citizen, generally speaking
It actually is when you arrest first, ask questions never. Shockingly not everyone has their citizenship card on them at all times. Don't act like ICE hasn't arrested over 100 US citizens in the last year because they couldn't be fucked to check and then held them in prison for several days, preventing them from contacting people who could prove it.
>https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will

>>1457537
>Shockingly not everyone has their citizenship card on them at all times.
Everybody has some sort of government issued ID; or the ability to give authorities their name and DOB on lawful demand.

They do it to legal citizens all the time for literally no reason at all; yet when they have probable cause that you're an illegal they actually DO have the authority to lawfully demand it.

No, illegals are not going to have extra rights.

>>1457538
>Everybody has some sort of government issued ID
But not on them at all times.
>or the ability to give authorities their name and DOB on lawful demand.
Which ICE does not allow them to do.

>They do it to legal citizens all the time for literally no reason at all; yet when they have probable cause that you're an illegal they actually DO have the authority to lawfully demand it.
Yes, except now we have the issue of them constantly arresting citizens for not producing them because they refuse to double check or do due diligence in checking them. If they so much as double checked everyone they stopped in their system, they wouldn't be arresting any US citizens. But they don't. That's the fucking problem.

>>1457526
Shooting them would be preferable. Just send them home in a body bag, its not like the nation of origin wanted them at home either.

>Actually not true either
Then we'll make it true. Browns get out. You are not welcome here.

>>1457540
Ok thanks for conceding.

>>1457539
>Yes, except now we have the issue of them constantly arresting citizens for not producing them because they refuse to double check or do due diligence in checking them.
Unfortunately that's true and as the effort ramps up and the public resists the effort, there will be more mistakes. The recourse for those mistakes is suing the federal government when they screw up, on a case by case basis.

The idea that you have that ICE is effectively not going to be able to actually do enforcement because they don't have the legal right to investigate people is not only wrong, it's about to come to an end for everybody who believes it.

What would really be the point in expanding or even funding ICE if we intentionally set up a system where enforcement is impossible? That might be something Obama or Biden would do, but Trump has a different audience.

>>1457546
>The idea that you have that ICE is effectively not going to be able to actually do enforcement because they don't have the legal right to investigate people is not only wrong, it's about to come to an end for everybody who believes it.
But they're not investigating; they're showing up and arresting people at random.

>>1457546
>The recourse for those mistakes is suing the federal government when they screw up, on a case by case basis.
Explain how people being denier lawyers are supposed to sue the federal government? Also, you can't actually sue the civil government for damages if you're locked up by ICE and the process either causes you direct injury or fucks up your life. The feds have immunity unlike states. So that's an ass remedy.

>>1457546
>The recourse for those mistakes is suing the federal government
The entire reason the judge is doing this is the federal government is violating the terms of a prior legal agreement from a prior lawsuit regarding warrantless arrests.

What in the actual fuck is the point of suing if there is no penalty for refusing to uphold any settlements?

>>1457546
Look at this guy acting like we still have rule of law.
The laws don't fucking matter when the government that made them isn't following them and there's no means of forcing them to do so. Suing them doesn't matter even if you win, because they'll just keep fucking do it. This is like that "just say no to being robbed" meme except it's actually fucking happening.

>>1457553
>The laws don't fucking matter when the government that made them isn't following them and there's no means of forcing them to do so.
But they are following the law. You just don't like the law, so you're accusing the government of breaking the law in an attempt to foment civil unrest against the government.

Keep in mind: this is unironically coming from the party who previously said that nobody is above the law.

>>1457555
The law explicitly says they can't do this. They've lost this lawsuit already. They are not following the law, as proven by them being told that this is against the law when they did it before.

>>1457555
>But they are following the law
No they're not lol. That's why they keep getting sued and having judges rule against them.

The exact problem is they just refuse to stop. They know running around pointing guns at random civilians and stealing shit from houses they raid is illegal. They know their profiling system is illegal. They just don't care and Trump has devoted the executive branch to shielding them from consequences for operating more like a gang than law enforcement.

>>1457557
>They are not following the law, as proven by them being told that this is against the law when they did it before.
Of course he did. The judge has an inherent bias in favor of illegals because he is a minority. He was appointed by Biden, too.

We saw this kind of behavior during the 2020 riots: democratic lawmakers went out of their way to subvert federal law to favor minorities. Democrats are more than willing to bend or ignore the law whenever it serves their unique brand of identity politics.

>>1457555
>But they are following the law. You just don't like the law, so you're accusing the government of breaking the law in an attempt to foment civil unrest against the government.
They're objectively breaking the law, and they're fully aware they're breaking the law.

Let's take the Alligator Alcatraz case that was mentioned earlier in this thread; even leaving conditions and inmate treatments aside, they knew that constructing that facility in the everglades was illegal. If they didn't before, they did after it was brought before a judge and they outright cited Florida law that says you NEED to meet environmental standards. But then, they make an appeal. Argue that the state built the facility with only state money, and since the law says only federal buildings made with federal money need to check those standards, they didn't need to meet shit. Which is already a weak excuse, the only reason it's required for the feds only is the expectation the state wouldn't want to damage itself, but it does hold up to at least 2/3 judges on the case. So the order to close it down is paused...

...and then it turns out, oh, wait, it WASN'T made with purely state money. The feds reimbursed them 600m for it, which means it was effectively paid for by the federal government. Which means the reasons for the stay on demolishing it are void and they not only violated the law, but also kept quiet about the reimbursement until after the stay happened. They broke the law and knowingly lied to cover up that they did so.

That type of shit is happening all over the place with ICE right now. They know they're violating state and federal law, along with their own operating procedure. They just don't care and continue to do so anyway, because Trump can shield them or stall the consequences for the next four years, and they're allowed to keep getting away with breaking it. They are not acting lawfully by any means, which is the last thing you want a LAW ENFORCEMENT department to do.

>>1457560
>Of course he did. The judge has an inherent bias in favor of illegals because he is a minority. He was appointed by Biden, too.
Not a defense. Prove that they didn't violate the law- oh wait, you literally can't because it explicitly says exactly what they're doing is illegal.

>>1457561
>If they didn't before, they did after it was brought before a judge and they outright cited Florida law that says you NEED to meet environmental standards
They were tied up in legal red tape by immigration activists. That's not the same thing as what you're alleging.
>They know they're violating state and federal law, along with their own operating procedure.
According to the people that are being paid by pro-immigration NGOs and flagrantly lying about whether or not ICE has broken the law.

We went through this same shit during Trump's first admin. Democrats tried to flood the zone with baseless accusations and phony lawsuits to slow down the things Trump did, and even went as far as to frame him as an unironic traitor to the United States. Which is to say, you've totally run out of credibility.

>>1457562
>Prove that they didn't violate the law-
SCOTUS has agreed with Trump the vast majority of the time. All you're doing is making them work harder in the run-up to holiday season by perpetuating baseless lies.

>>1457564
>They were tied up in legal red tape by immigration activists.
Nope, they failed to meet environmental standards. Objectively so.

>According to the people that are being paid by pro-immigration NGOs and flagrantly lying about whether or not ICE has broken the law.
No. Objectively. In Alligator Alcatraz's case, they objectively failed to meet environmental standards. Their counterargument was not that they didn't do that, but rather that they didn't have to. And then they blew up that defense when the source of it's funding was revealed.

Meanwhile, in the OP, there is in fact a legal ruling banning the exact warrantless arrests in those states. They don't deny it there either, instead they try to argue they can do whatever they want and ignore laws they don't like.

>>1457565
>SCOTUS has agreed with Trump the vast majority of the time.
This doesn't prove lawfulness. Someone who wins 10 court cases doesn't mean they win the 11th by default. Take the case to them first; I'm sure I'll love seeing the explanation for "uh yes the law says they can't do that, but they actually can do that, fuck you".

Some things are cut and dry. The law forbids ICE from doing these things explicitly. If you wanna say "Well the law means whatever Trump says it does!" then we have an entirely different problem with Trump becoming a fucking dictator.

>>1457566
>Objectively so.
That's certainly an opinion.
>They don't deny it there either
Because they haven't committed any wrongdoing. They're enforcing federal law as written and being told that they can't move forward on alleged technicalities by Biden-appointed judges.

Much of what democrats are arguing here is worthless noise because they're clearly trying to game the US legal system to a single end goal: allowing tens of millions of illegals to remain the country. Whether that be hook or by crook doesn't really matter.

>>1457567
>This doesn't prove lawfulness.
It literally does. SCOTUS is the final appellate court. It also demonstrates a track record of federal judges trying to violate constitutional law by interfering with the Executive Branch.

>>1457569
>That's certainly an opinion.
No, it's not an opinion.
>Did they undergo environmental review before opening the site?
>No
>Were they funded by federal funds and thus had to undergo those reviews before opening the site?
>Yes
And that should be the end of it. Everything else is Trump trying to sneak by.

>Because they haven't committed any wrongdoing. They're enforcing federal law as written and being told that they can't move forward on alleged technicalities by Biden-appointed judges.
Again, they objectively have. These are not technicalities, they are objective violations of the law. You cannot argue it is a "technicality" that they did things the law says they cannot do, solely because they were ordered to do so.

>>1457569
>These are not technicalities, they are objective violations of the law.
The only people violating the law here are the federal judges, who have broken their oaths of office, and the illegals that unironically believe that they are entitled to live in our country.

More worrying than that though is the number of democrats keep shilling to break federal law.

>>1457571
>It literally does. SCOTUS is the final appellate court.
Did they rule on this specific topic yet? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>It also demonstrates a track record of federal judges trying to violate constitutional law by interfering with the Executive Branch.
It is not a "violation of constitutional law" for the judicial branch to point out when the executive branch is violating the law and blocking them from doing so. It is literally their job.

>>1457573
>The only people violating the law here are the federal judges, who have broken their oaths of office
How so? They're citing the laws ICE and company are breaking and blocking them from doing so, which is literally the entire fucking point of the judicial system. It is their responsibility to prove they aren't breaking the law.

>>1457574
>Did they rule on this specific topic yet? No? Then shut the fuck up.
Sure, let's wait six months before we determine that ICE can deport illegals again. And then in three years from now democrats will open the floodgates again and creates a censorship regime for anybody that doesn't want illegals taking American jobs.
>It is literally their job.
Numerous biden and Obama federal judges have already been rebuked by SCOTUS for not only interfering with the executive branch, but unironically ignoring precedent and the Supremacy Clause.
This is a systemic issue.

>>1457575
>How so?
They're stalling ICE by using lawfare; they're literally interfering the Executive Branch's ability to enforce immigration law, as also indicated by that one judge who tried to help an illegal escape out the back of her courtroom.

These people are insane. They deserve neither respect nor consideration.

>>1457576
>Sure, let's wait six months before we determine that ICE can deport illegals again
They can if they don't violate the fucking law and give people grounds to sue them. This would actually be quite easy if they actually obeyed the rules instead of trying to break them.

>Numerous biden and Obama federal judges have already been rebuked by SCOTUS for not only interfering with the executive branch, but unironically ignoring precedent and the Supremacy Clause.
Such as? Also, Supremacy Clause doesn't allow federal law to ignore other federal law, or violate constitutional rights like ICE has done REPEATEDLY in their treatment of people they kidnap.

>>1457577
>They're stalling ICE by using lawfare; they're literally interfering the Executive Branch's ability to enforce immigration law, as also indicated by that one judge who tried to help an illegal escape out the back of her courtroom.
>Just ignore how the law literally says outright what they cannot do, and they just do it anyway
ICE arresting people attending court meetings is illegal too, btw. They're only allowed to do so in case of a threat, not to random construction workers and families going to immigration hearings.

>>1457578
>This would actually be quite easy if they actually obeyed the rules instead of trying to break them.
Your premise is faulty: they are already obeying the law.
Obviously legal scholars can disagree about the limits of what ICE should be allowed to do, but only one side of this retarded slapfight is operating from a position of allowing illegals to keep breaking immigration law, so they have a clearly demonstrated bias.
>Also, Supremacy Clause doesn't allow federal law to ignore other federal law, or violate constitutional rights like ICE has done REPEATEDLY in their treatment of people they kidnap.
It means that federal and state judges must follow the Supreme Court's interpretations of federal law, which they repeatedly have not done.

>>1457579
>ICE arresting people attending court meetings is illegal too, btw.
That judge was indicted for interfering with federal officers carrying out federal law anon. So no, it isn't.

>>1457581
>indicted
Ever hear the phrase "I could indict a ham sandwich"? Indicting people is literally the easiest part of a prosecutor's job. It's so easy that many people think grand juries are pointless.

>>1457580
>Your premise is faulty: they are already obeying the law.
We've been over this, they objectively are not. They lied about their funding in Florida, they're defying the Castanon Nava settlement in Chicago, and on national levels they've repeatedly violated the Fourth Amendment.
>It means that federal and state judges must follow the Supreme Court's interpretations of federal law, which they repeatedly have not done.
They are. None of these cases have made it to SCOTUS, and all of their previous precedent is against ICE doing this. See the fucking OP article where they blatantly disregard the ruling they aren't allowed to do Warrantless Arrest in Chicago, yet they did so anyway.

>>1457581
>That judge was indicted for interfering with federal officers carrying out federal law anon. So no, it isn't.
Indicted but not actually found guilty you retard. The trial is next month; when she's cleared I hope you take out your anger on a stress ball instead of a supermarket.

>>1457581
What's really funny is she has a pretty good defense from Trump's own immunity ruling; judges have judicial immunity for acts that fall under their judicial actions. Judicial actions include telling people where to exit the courtroom. Per the same precedent as Trump being immune for everything that falls under his office, so does she for everything that falls under her own.

>>1457447
>Being in the country illegally isn't a crime
Yes it is. Its in the word. "ILLEGAL".

>>1457587
>Yes it is. Its in the word. "ILLEGAL".
Something being illegal doesn't make it a crime. It's illegal for members of the executive branch to use their office for political purpose. It's not a fucking crime.

Crimes are violations of criminal statutes, not law generally. There is no criminal statue against being here without documentation.

If what they are called confuses you because you don't know what words mean, try calling them undocumented instead.

>>1457592
>Something being illegal doesn't make it a crime
Not reading the rest of your post. Kill yourself you retarded faggot.

>>1457594
That's a very salty way of saying you concede the argument

>>1457592
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1911-8-usc-1325-unlawful-entry-failure-depart-fleeing-immigration

>Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry into the United States by an alien,

Faggot.

>>1457615
you can't even read your own links, esl shill? maybe you shouldn't be the one judging

>>1457625
Oh, then enlighten me, exactly what in the fuck does it say?

>>1457629
It says
>It isn't a misdemeanor. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.
As was pointed out here
>>1457458
If you don't understand the difference, that's a you problem.

>>1457592
>There's no criminal statute against being here without documentation
Fuck you, dude. Them being here is quite literally and quite forwardly a crime. There's a legal way to be here and an illegal way, and they got here the illegal way. Besides that, all the browns need to go, not just the illegal ones - this is our nation, they need to go home and un-fuck theirs.

You're a colossal sac-gargling faggot and you need to go back.

>Try calling them undocumented instead
I call them illiterate shitskins. 'Undocumented' implies that they're just people lacking documentation rather than mongoloid retards from the third world looking to invade us in search of opportunities that belong to our citizens. Here's your (You).

>>1457631
And you're making the argument that a misdemeanor isn't a crime?
Is that correct?

>>1457633
and you're dickriding a felon pedophile, that's correct

>>1457632
>'Undocumented' implies that they're just people lacking documentation rather than mongoloid retards from the third world looking to invade us in search of opportunities that belong to our citizens.
Yeah, you do seem like someone that would obsessively worry about having to outcompete the mentally deficient.

>>1457633
>And you're making the argument that a misdemeanor isn't a crime?
No. No I am not. Some people only consider felonies crimes for technical reasons. I am not one of them. I am outright saying being here without documentation is neither a felony nor a misdemeanor.

It doesn't really get more clear with that. You seem to be having difficulty with the English language.

>>1457636
>I am outright saying being here without documentation is neither a felony nor a misdemeanor.
Aha. I see your trick, and you're a huge fucking turbo faggot.

>>1457637
you sure lost the argument there bud

>>1457639
Not really. You're sectioning off DACAfags. The rest entered illegally which is a crime.

>>1457637
And ICE is doing a bunch of illegal bullshit and deserves to get slapped around in court. Glad we settled that.

>>1457642
It's OK to deport illegals. With so many illegals being arrested there's bound to be incidents, as with all law enforcement actions.
10 "mistreated" illegals doesn't amount to
>SHUT IT DOWN
for a rational human being who doesn't illegally imprison and rape short brown men in his basement.

>>1457646
It's a lot more than 10. Remember how we look back on how we treated Japanese Americans during WW2? We're gonna experience that shit again.

You know there's hundreds of people under ICE's watch that have just gone fucking missing? Like most of the population of Alligator Alcatraz literally disappeared. No one knows where they are, including their family and lawyers. That's absolutely fucked and considering all the poor condition allegations they face, I wouldn't be surprised if a decent amount are dead and ICE is covering it up.

>>1457651
>Remember how we look back on how we treated Japanese Americans during WW2?
Yeah FDR was a total loser. The difference here is those Japanese people were in the country legally.
Additionally, while FDR was a piece of shit for doing it, I don't think the 120,000 affected left the country or anything afterwards, so it couldn't have been that terrible, despite being terrible.

To compare people who've entered the country illegally to that situation is bizarre, retarded and if one were to do so, one should probably kill one's self immediately.

>>1457653
it's bizarre to compare camps full of mistreated humans? i disagree shill anon

>>1457658
I think the circumstances matter. Illegals are a 100% criminal population.
The WW2 Japanese did nothing wrong. And perhaps that's because FDR (D) put them in camps.

>>1457659
and i think the circumstances of this conversation matter, shill. you are a faggot and nothing you say is ever in good faith

>>1457660
You're always so hot headed and ridiculous. Can you seriously just go do your left wing terrorism and get it out of your system?
Explain why we need illegals, and explain why we cannot imprison them for up to two years.

>>1457663
explain why you can't get a real job first, pathetic faggot

>>1457660
Oh and I'd also like you to write a 1000 word post on how the poor illegals are exactly like WW2 Japanese.

esl shill confirmed agent of satan

>>1457665
There are only left wing shills anon. Accusing me of being a right wing shill is retarded.
No such thing exists. But social media is entirely affected by left wing Karens and social media influencers.

>>1457659
A lot of the "illegals" had valid visas and they either expired or ICE revoked them and then arrested them for not having a valid visa.

>>1457678
And that makes them illegal as a visa overstay

>>1457690
i think melania trump's visa fraud is more pertinent, imho

>>1457694
You would. Do you feel she stole your job as Donnie's trophy wife? You're probably jealous you're not getting the BOC (Big Orange Cock)

>>1457697
the fact that you think being a billionaire's cocksleeve merits a visa says much more about you than i, shill

>>1457636
We don't have to outcompete anybody. Its our fucking country. If the browns want it they're going to have to conquer it through military arms because they're all going home, Paco. Simple as.

>>1457690
Overstaying your visa isn't a crime. Nor is having your refugee status revoked by Trump, which he did to hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants.

>>1457646
If there's so many illegals to arrest, they shouldn't have any trouble finding ones to go after with warrants.

>>1457640
>You're sectioning off DACAfags
Actually I wasn't. Plenty of DACA recipients entered illegally.

>>1457700
>We don't have to outcompete anybody
Yessir, you're the king of the mentally impaired.

>>1457702
Here's your award for biggest fucking faggot n1m.
It's civil with monetary fines and deportation as the penalties.
You win the picking at straws contest.

>>1457717
>You win the picking at straws contest.
We're talking about legal rulings, ass-hat. Technical details matter. If you want to argue about your feelings, get a therapist.