>>1460511
>Kremlin aide Ushakov says he and Witkoff will be in touch
Nerves will be touched: Putin's

>>1460511
So an American envoy received explicit instructions from a foreign envoy on how to sabotage American negotiations with a different foreign envoy and serve the interests of that first foreign nation instead?

Isn't that fucking treason?

>>1460536
>Isn't that fucking treason?
Yes

>>1460536
No. For it to be treason, it would have to be an enemy nation, like Russia.

>>1460536
Not if Trump and his lackies do it. They are America now, not you, anything that serves them and their small group of friends (not the rest of you) is a patriotic act. You gave them this power, now suck it up and stop your seditious comments.

So this confirms Senate Democrats were telling the truth last week when they said Rubio told them this "peace deal" was just Putin's wish list
And that Rubio then straight up fucking lied and slandered them when he went on Twitter and said that wasn't true and the plan was authored by the US

>>1460561
you're just jealous he has an oligarch sugardaddy

>>1460536
Did you actually read any of the transcript?
It was Steve doing all the talking you jacksss. Name a single thing Yuri suggested
https://archive.is/reOZV

You foreign shills are the worst

>>1460562
>he has an oligarch sugardaddy
But enough about Trump

>>1460564
>No guys, look, he just told a foreign official exactly how to manipulate the president of the US into a deal that is exactly Russia's list of demands
Witkoff is literally a russian asset giving Russia's wishlist to to the president then telling Russia how to convince him to put it forward.

>>1460577
>he just told a foreign official exactly how to manipulate the president of the US into a deal that is exactly Russia's list of demands
Weird how you can't actually cite this though even though I provided the leaked transcript.
You foreign shill faggots are the worst.

>>1460590
>Weird how you can't actually cite this though even though I provided the leaked transcript.
>"I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the president on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you respect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have seen it happen."
>"I’m even thinking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza."
>"Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a very similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think might move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to explore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done."
>"I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possible we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting."

>>1460536
Yup, this is actual treason. But because it was done by a conservative, the conservatively biased media will ignore it.
Just like they ignored Nixon and Reagan's treason.

>>1460598
>>1460597
This is outrageous. He told them to congratulate the president. Literally treason

>>1460598
>this is actual treason.
>they ignored Nixon and Reagan's treason.

America! Fuck Yeah!

>>1460597
All shit posting aside. How is asking that the president he congratulated, and laying out a very high level peace plan for Russia and Ukraine treason?
You people are so fucking cognitively dissonant, you're literally just angry that Trump might actually get peace with Ukraine and Russia and it doesn't involve sending Ukraine massive amounts of weapons and prolonging the war

>>1460599
>>1460601
>Conservatives defending traitors.
Not shocking, loyalists, confederates, fascists, conservatives have always been the enemies of America.

>>1460599
>>1460601
Telling a foreign envoy exactly how to approach the president to get a deal that exclusively benefits them is fucking treason. Especially when you literally instruct them to make offers to sabotage the meeting with Zelensky beforehand.

>USA once at war with Vietnam
>Now diplomatic relations & trade with Vietnam
If this can happen with US not needing to annex parts of/invade Vietnam, what's Putin's excuse for not doing the same with - apart from the only Russians allowed in an embassy in Kyiv & trade - Ukraine, with no Russians allowed to exist in Crimea, least of all anywhere else in that country?
Ivan hands type the pro-Putin posts in this thread.

I hope some of these scumbags get executed when this is all over but that is probably just a pipe dream.

>>1460610
Considering Republicans just let trump off the hook for attempt to steal the 2020 election in Georgia, even with a smoking gun tape, best to tamper those expectations

>>1460604
>Especially when you literally instruct them to make offers to sabotage the meeting with Zelensky beforehand.
Neither Ukraine or zelensky are our government or president. An envoy can do anything they want with other countries for the sake of our foreign policy you faggot

>>1460615
>An envoy can do anything they want with other countries for the sake of our foreign policy you faggot
Like promoting the interests of a foreign nation and instructing them exactly what they need to say to the president to achieve those interests? Reminder, it wasn't the Russian envoy giving instructions to Putin on what to do to get Trump to act as he wants, it was the fucking US envoy. Witkoff is literally furthering Russia's interests in the US.

>>1460617
>Like promoting the interests of a foreign nation and instructing them exactly what they need to say to the president to achieve those interests
It's trumps agenda to get peace in Ukraine, faggot.

Not all of us have sworn an allegiance to Ukraine like you have so it's not treason for us to want the region to have peace at the expense of the land russias been holding for the last 5 years

>>1460632
You aren't going to get peace in Ukraine by forcing Ukraine to surrender. You're just going to get laughed out of negotiations.

>>1460632
>It's Trump's agenda to force Ukraine to surrender
>No the US doesn't get anything from Russia as part of this. And we'll actually just wind up losing the rare earths we already made a deal for.
Witkoff is serving Russian interests. That alone should see him stripped of his position.

>>1460636
>You aren't going to get peace in Ukraine by forcing Ukraine to surrender
???
That is generally how peace has work d historically. One side gives up, im sorry "your" side is losing and "their" side is winning. I honestly don't care.
>>1460637
>Witkoff is serving Russian interests
Wanting peace in Ukraine isn't Russian interests. It's trump wanting a nobel prize, fagmaxxer

>>1460639
>Wanting peace in Ukraine isn't Russian interests.
Wanting peace that involves amnesty for Russia and them keeping all the territory they invaded is. The latest US "plan" was literally Russia's wishlist, something the Trump admin admitted to, then denied, then this confirmed it was actually the case. That isn't negotiation, that's being a puppet.

>>1460642
I will never understand how you idiots can be so devoted to a foreign government like Ukraine.
Most of us just want the fighting to stop. The war is what it is, and there hasn't been any real territorial changes for years now. The bloodshed should stop, and sorry, but Ukraine got the short end of the stick here they lost.

>>1460643
i will always make fun of you for being a faggot who is incapable of getting a real job, shill

>>1460643
>We just want the fighting to stop so the aggressor gets everything they wanted and is emboldened to invade not just Ukraine again, but other territories as well
Appeasement doesn't fucking work anon.

>>1460643
>Most of us just want the fighting to stop
Take that shit up with the country doing the invading? Ukraine has proposed ceasefires. Russia has consistently refused.

Or is a ceasefire somehow a bad thing? I thought you want the fighting to stop?

>>1460646
>Appeasement doesn't fucking work anon.
The security guarantees offered to Ukraine in the plan do work though.
>>1460644
Nobody here swore an oath to Ukraine except you. If you care about it so much go there and fight on the front lines against Russia, have fun playing with the drones they send your way

>>1460688
>The security guarantees offered to Ukraine in the plan do work though.
The US and Russia gave Ukraine security guarantees in 1994 in exchange for giving up their nukes. How did that work out for them?

>>1460601
>All shit posting aside.
Honest answer?
Most of the NAFO troons shilling for Ukraine aren't actually American. They're German/Polish/French posters getting paid to influence America's public opinion of Trump because they are using him to wage a proxy war against Ukraine.
The shilling has gone down immensely after Trump defunded USAID, but a lot of them have racial animus against Ukrainians, so they do it for free. The Polish especially. Some of them want to depopulate Ukraine and use it as a haven for diaspora jews if America stops supporting Israel.
If you go through public social media accounts, the largest voices criticizing Trump for his attempts to make peace are Europoors.

>>1460708
>Most of the NAFO troons shilling for Ukraine aren't actually American. They're German/Polish/French posters getting paid to influence America's public opinion of Trump because they are using him to wage a proxy war against Ukraine
Nah. They're American leftists. Straight up Ryan Routh types.

>>1460708
Personally, I just hate lying, thieving, bleached niggers aka slavs like you and want as many of you dead as possible
So this war has been fantastic and I hope it lasts another 20 years

>>1460727
Wow. You really are fucked, huh.

>>1460729
No, that would be your women when I've got some loose change lying around

>>1460729
He's mentally ill anon. This is his containment board so he doesn't crap up the rest of the site

Whenever there's an upsurge of Russian faggots spamming you know something juicy just blew up

>>1460733
What's mentally ill is continuing to pretend like slavs are anything but thugs, murderers, thieves, con artists, and whores.
That's why 99 percent of "muh white race" faggots are actual retards. They have the audacity to throw slavs in with actual whites.

>>1460736
Race isn't the same as ethnicity, my mentally ill lefty friend.
I might not be a nazi, but you retards have it out for every person who is lighter than Kash Patel, so you're basically isolating yourself from anybody that would give a damn about you.

>>1460739
Poor persecuted white kid

>>1460740
Try as you might, (You), Tyresius Deshawn III will forever remain an alien element.

>>1460739
>Race isn't the same as ethnicity, my mentally ill lefty friend.
Oh trust me, I understand
The problem is most dumb faggots larping as WS don't. They buy into Vatnigger Putin's surface level culture baiting, too stupid to understand he's as bad as a kike
>Blah blah blah I love Trump's pet shitskin or whatever
Didn't read that part

>>1460734
The leak is another smoking gun that trump is and surrounded by Russian agents

>>1460601
This

>>1460639
>Wanting peace in Ukraine isn't Russian interests.
It is when the peace deal benefits them this much.

>>1460643
>I will never understand how you idiots can be so devoted to a foreign government like Russia.
Yeah, it's really weird. What's with you guys?

>>1460643
>Most of us just want the fighting to stop.
You do realize that Putin can withdraw his troops from Ukraine whenever he wants right? Like theres nothing stopping him from just ending the invasion?

>>1460810
Good post

I think even the original plan was good.

After four years of military operation, Russia is exhausted and close to economic stagnation.

Europe is under tariffs and will be busy rebuilding Ukraine for several years, which will slow its growth.

Stopping the war will allow Ukraine to immediately begin developing its minerals and repay its debt to America.

Favorable terms in the peace plan for Russia will help stop its rapprochement with China.

Any outcome will be for US benefit, and US will be the only victor in this war.

>>1460810
Well in your eyes maybe that seems true. But through Putin's eyes, he has to save face to stay in charge, and he has to stay in charge so he isn't arrested, either by his own nation or by international police/courts. So for him, I don't think he can just withdraw at any time, and I think that is a big part of why this has gone on so long at such a large cost to both nations.

>>1460742
>too stupid to understand he's as bad as a kike
Zelensky is a literal jew, retard.
You're supporting Israel's bid to eradicate whites in eastern europe. You stupid fuck.

>You're supporting Israel's bid to eradicate white rightards in eastern europe
ftfy
Also, don't threaten me with a good time.

>>1460511
>Bloomberg News earlier published the transcript of an October 14 telephone call
That's quite the 'Smoking Gun Tape'

>>1460845
And Putin's more than a literal pedo
https://www.military.com/video/off-duty/odd/akward-moments-with-vladimir-putin/3129473236001
Now point out on the doll where Zelenskyy touched you personally, anon.

>>1460870
>Now point out on the doll where Zelenskyy touched you personally, anon.
Not a big fan of western leaders using a proxy war led by a jewish actor to eradicate members of the orthodox church, personally.

>>1460926
Shut up and get in the trench, Ivan

>>1460955
You lost the war. If you love Ukraine so much go there and die for zelensky in a ditch somewhere

>>1460926
>excuses, excuses, excuses
Now point out on the doll where Zelenskyy physically touched you personally, anon.
>orthodox church
>>1460875
If the orthodox church ceased to exist in Ukraine tomorrow, it wouldn't affect me personally. It wouldn't affect you in the slightest, either.
https://www.military.com/video/off-duty/odd/akward-moments-with-vladimir-putin/3129473236001
If the same in Russia doesn't condemn a pedo there, then it never had the right to exist in Ukraine in the first place. Or Russia. Or anywhere else, for that matter.
Matthew 18:6. Millstones for all of them, I say. And their supporters.
No wonder Trump worries about if he's going to heaven. With the emphasis on 'if'. Again, Matthew 18:6. And Matthew 19:24.

>>1460958
You propaganda clankers are the worst. You don't even make any sense any more.

>>1460956
>conquering Ukraine in just 72 hours easily
>over three years later: soon to be four
You've already lost the war. If you love Russia so much, go there and die for Putin in a ditch somewhere.
>>1460959
>excuses, excuses, excuses
So you support a pedo. Thanks for admitting that, Ivan.

>>1460960
I'm going to be so glad when Trump gets peace in Ukraine and you don't get paid to post this rubbish anymore

>>1460969
I'm going to be even more glad when Putin fails and you more so, because you support a pedo.

>>1460708
I just really fucking hate ziggers.