>European leaders are considering dumping $2.34 trillion in US debt if Trump abandons Ukraine, potentially triggering an economic crisis worse than 2008https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/192200/europe-s-nuclear-option-threatens-trump-midterm-elections-approachEuropean nations are reportedly weighing the "nuclear option" of destabilizing the American economy should Donald Trump abandon Ukraine and compromise continental security. Discussions between American and Ukrainian representatives resumed Sunday in Miami, with both parties working to hammer out a peace agreement.Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Trump's Russia envoy Steve Witkoff participated in the session, alongside the President's son-in-law Jared Kushner. After the "fragile" negotiations, the President informed journalists aboard Air Force One that there was "a good chance we can make a deal".Yet European leadership remains wary that Trump is hastening toward a geopolitical arrangement with Vladimir Putin while disregarding NATO allies' security interests.The Wall Street Journal reveals a European intelligence agency has distributed internal evaluations regarding "commercial and economic plans" the Trump administration has been pursuing with Russia in private discussions.This has allegedly intensified concerns among European officials that the White House is poised to compromise the continent's safety for American economic advantage.Insiders informed the WSJ that European leaders are weighing severe countermeasures in response, calculated to trigger economic turmoil across the United States. The proposed strategy includes liquidating trillions in American government bonds held by European governments.A swift sell-off could potentially trigger a crash in the value of the US dollar, instigate a liquidity crisis across the banking system, and cause a significant surge in borrowing costs.
It could also plunge the American financial sector into a paralysis more severe than the 2008 crisis. A prominent European economist described the plan to the WSJ as a potential financial backlash that could hit the US harder than any external shock in modern history.The political fallout could be catastrophic for Trump and the Republicans as the midterm elections loom next year. The EU and the UK, being among the largest holders of US Treasury securities (US debt), wield considerable potential economic leverage.As of December 2024, the United Kingdom holds an estimated $722.7 billion in US debt.The European Union member countries collectively hold an estimated $1.62 trillion.Combined, this amounts to approximately $2.34 trillion, making the EU/UK bloc one of the single largest foreign holders of US debt.
>pull plug on nato>dramatically reduce military spending down from 900b because US is not defending europoors anymore Wow that was easy.
>>1462049>America>Reducing military spendingLmao good luck with that
>>1462049>Fascists like trump cutting down the military budget when he's increased it and is already committing war crimes.LOL
>>1462040I mean if they want to force us back into an isolationism stance and take over sole responsibility for protecting their countries without us, then hey good luck. Yeah Russia's war in Ukraine has been something of an embarrassment for them, but Europe still doesn't have a fighting force that can match it. Germany still can't keep more than 1/3rd of their aircraft in the sky because they have so many maintenance and manpower issues. UK thought it would be a brilliant idea to cut their tank numbers a few years back and now have a shortage. Hell, the only European nation that's taking defense seriously is Poland (can't imagine why). Hope we can still have good relations with Polandball if NATO goes away. We've still got plenty of guns and cool shit to sell them.
>>1462049Neocons like Marco Rubio or former soldiers like JD Vance will never let that happen
>>1462056In the Europe's case, it's better to have the US be isolationists than openly betraying everyone to back the Russians like trump wants.>>1462057>Vance>SoliderHe was a propagandist who hid on bases and never actually did a real tour of duty. Very on brand for Republicans.
>>1462060>In the Europe's case, it's better to have the US be isolationists than openly betraying everyone to back the Russians like trump wants.Well good then. I think we've been the world's police force for long enough. Time to close our overseas bases, pull our troops back, lock down the border and let the rest of the world figure it out. The last 25 years of intervention has done nothing to improve the quality of life of Americans. It's only earned us more hatred. tl;dr DO IT FAGGOT
Doesn’t this imply Europeans would rather bag hold 2.4 Trillion if it means getting to send American lives to die in the next war? Check out how euros, especially brits, refer to American Forces in the same way the US military refers to the role Marines are supposed to fill. “The Stop Gap” to “fill the holes” with blood. “If Americans won’t bleed and die in the fields Europe for us (again,again) what are we even paying them for?”
>>1462061Good morning ivan
>>1462062Bag hold? You're paying them.
>>1462062You're getting it backwards; they're calling in what they're owed. We pay them.
>>1462049NATO doesn’t exist to protect Euros from invasion, it’s to keep them from going back to killing each otherLook at maps of Europe from before WW2. They really fucking hate each other and America is the only thing keeping them in line
>>1462075Important to note that "going back to killing each other" in modern context is WW3. Now with nukes!
Kek. Europoors won't do shit. They don't actually care about a bunch of dead Ukraiggers.
>>1462040>European leaders are considering dumping $2.34 trillion in US debt if Trump abandons Ukraine, potentially triggering an economic crisis worse than 2008Ok im not even joking but it's literally the banking Jews trying to profit by forcing the continuation of another war Literally world war 2 all over again
>>1462062The 2.4tn in "debt" are likely held in the form of Treasury bonds.They are threatening to exchange them for their current value instead of continuing to hold them and let them mature.Most debt you can't just force someone to pay you back in its entirety at one time but Treasury bonds you can ask for their face value at any point, they are just worth more the longer you hold them
>>1462079>forcing the continuation of another warMaking Ukraine surrender will not stop war. It will just embolden Russia to go again. Appeasement doesn't fucking work.
>>1462087Interesting how the nazis (trump and russia) are invoking an antisemitic troop for it too.
>>1462093The Allies didn't annex SudetenlandThe Allies didn't invade PolandNATO didn't annex CrimeaNATO didn't invade UkraineOfficers in the KGB were taught about the Great Patriotic War as part of their indoctrination. What started that. A certain subhuman ex-KGB officer having ideas above its station, just like an inferior subhuman Austrian did.Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, Ivans.
>>1462087My favorite post on 4chan was some anon trying to convince me that if Russia wasn't stopped from taking Ukraine they would march to Maryland.
>>1462108They were right.
>>1462122>muh hitlerBro fuck off please
>>1462108Does anyone anywhere actually think a ground invasion by Russia (or China, or literally any other country on earth) is even slightly in the realm of reality? Don't get me wrong, the US military is pretty shit. They spent over a decade fighting fucking Afghanistan and in the end let the Taliban stay in power after all. But we've also watched Russia impotently try to combat Ukraine of all places and basically made almost no headway all these years in. Is there a single person anywhere worried that a bunch of boats full of Ruskies are going to land in Portland and start an invasion of the US?
>>1462128How about isntead you go back to 1938 and then everyone would be happy.
>>1462151>Does anyone anywhere actually think a ground invasion by Russia (or China, or literally any other country on earth) is even slightly in the realm of reality?Europeans. But that's because they were done dirty by Russia in the past. They also know that Americans don't want to babysit the EU militarily anymore. Retards in the UK are telling Americans in Florida what a good deal fighting against Ukraine is, but working class Americans are buying food on credit after coming down from a 20 year war in the ME, so they're pissed that non-Americans are demanding that they foot the bill for another war.Once the BBB passes and medicaid starts cutting support for NEET trannies living at home, there will be a drop in Ukraine shilling. Maybe /k/ will be saved at that point. Russia can barely take Ukraine but leftist faggots in Poland will tell you that you're a Putin stooge if you don't support a regime previously recognized to be filled with unironic white nationalists. This is the worst timeline.
>>1462160>fighting against Ukraine*Russia. I'm clinically retarded, disregard.
>>1462160>Europeans.Okay, so why should it matter that a bunch of French retards don't understand that invading a continent surrounded by oceans is different than invading a tiny land locked country? And wh y should anyone care?
>>1462161Your entire post already proved you're clinically retarded and a vatnik shill.
>>1462164Political power in America rests in the hands of its people because it's a democratic republic. Trump et al. wouldn't be able to do the things he is doing without American support. Europeans know this. They also want Trump to fight a war on their behalf, so they are targeting the dumbest parts of the US constituency and trying to convince them that fighting a war against Russia is a good idea, and that any argument to the contrary means you're a secret ally of Darth Putler. A lot of this was started and funded by USAID. So it was literally US taxdollars going to europoors so that they could propagandize American voters to spend even more taxdollars. This is also how the Clinton campaign paid a MI6 UK government spy named Christopher Steele to make up a fake dossier smearing Hillary’s opponent as a Russian agent. It all went through USAID.
>>1462040God damn the Ukrainian revolution of 2013-2014, because many people suffered and died because of a bunch of violent revolutionaries
>>1462040>European leadersLMAO okay
lmao this goes both ways
>>1462170The US helping fight a war in Russia is very different than Russia attempting an invasion on US soil which is what the crux of this is. There is absolutely zero possibility in the foreseeable future of anything luke that happening, so using the threat of it for political gain os a very obvious play.
>>1462170As a fellow American from Ohio's Oblast, I fully agree with this post.
>>1462170>This is also how the Clinton campaign paid a MI6 UK government spy named Christopher Steele to make up a fake dossier smearing Hillary’s opponent as a Russian agent. It all went through USAID.Imagine being dumb enough to actually believe that's what happened.
>>1462190Do your homework nigga.
>>1462190I don't think he truly believes it. No one with an ounce of critical thinking skills would. He is merely paid to repost it over and over, so that truly dumb people will pick it up through repetition.
>>1462079>Ok im not even joking but it's literally the banking Jews trying to profit by forcing the continuation of another warExplain how Ukraine getting fucked without international support leads to less war?>Ukraine gets pushed back into populated cities, all of which will be leveled like Mariupol.>Massive, potentially destabilizing refugee crisis in Europe>Perpetual insurgency in Ukraine once the country is fully conquered>Russia invades Moldova or Georgia a couple years later>Then starts expanding into Asian countriesThe expansionist empire doesn't decide to engage in less war when it fucking wins, dipshit. You genuinely care more about whether or not weapons companies are making a profit than human lives and global stability.
>>1462200>>Russia invades Moldova or Georgia a couple years laterThey already took over Georgia through rigging their elections (after failing militarily when Bush was president). >>1461656
>>1462196>it's a conspiracy, nobody actually with agrees with me, everybody is shilling but me!Brain damage
>>1462203Hilarious. Maybe you can expand your conspiracy theory to make it so that "USAID" gave me the brain damage.
>>1462202Yeah, but the CSTO (other than Belarus) pulling away after Ukraine went badly would have taught Russia that the vassals are unreliable. I doubt Georgia would maintain its independence in the face of an unchecked Russia, and I'm not sure the Russian puppet government would be able to hold on after Russia starts demanding annexation.
>>1462200>Explain how Ukraine getting fucked without international support leads to less war?You're operating from the assumption that Putin is literally the devil and wants to conquer the world unless stopped in totality. Even though he's tried to negotiate peace several times. This is the same reason why retards assume that anybody who wants peace is a Russian agent. The propaganda only makes sense if you think the conflict exists in a false dichotomy. Hence the Star Wars comparisons.
>>1462202>>1462205Having said that, I do think Moldova's obviously next since we know that the initial goal with Ukraine was to annex a land bridge to Transnistria and leave a puppet government in control over the rest of the country to de-ukrainize it.>>1462206>You're operating from the assumption that Putin is literally the devil and wants to conquer the world unless stopped in totalityHe started a war of territorial expansion. That should be the default assumption.>Even though he's tried to negotiate peace several timesAh yes, and Russia has never negotiated peace with someone just to attack them again in a few years once they were better prepared. Hey, remind me, who was the Russian leader behind the false flags that lead to the 2nd Chechen War?Hey, how come all those peace deals prohibit getting security guarantees or military buildup?>This is the same reason why retards assume that anybody who wants peace is a Russian agentAnyone that wants peace without security guarantees is a Russian agent.
>>1462191it was republicans who commissioned it, also given the amount of energy trump has put into trying to 'debunk' it, while also sucking putin's cock. Yeah, it's real. And yes, trump is petty and mentally enough to hire hookers to piss on the bed the obama's fucked on.This doesn't change the fact that trump is putin's cock holster and Europe can just crash the already precarious US economy that's just a massive bubble due to AI and crypo that trump is desperate to keep pumping up.
>>1462208>He started a war of territorial expansion.He told Ukraine to stop killing Russians living in Ukraine for several years before finally invading. Even if you don't believe that's true, it's retarded to assume he has territorial aspirations outside of his immediate vicinity because he's surrounded on all sides by NATO members. Which is why all this kvetching is obviously not born out of any objective concern, just more propaganda.
>>1462211>it was republicans who commissioned it, also given the amount of energy trump has put into trying to 'debunk' itI just want to add that it was always supposed to be opposition research. It was supposed to include absolutely every allegation against Trump whether credible or not. But don't forget at least a third of the dossier was proven to be true later on.
>>1462211>Europe can just crash the already precarious US economyYou're delusional in a serious way.The US uses its military to patrol the shipping lanes and secure the sovereignty of EU nations. That's why our defense spending has been bloated to such a ridiculous degree. That's also why the EU is making pointed threats at America if it doesn't wage a war against Russia on its behalf. They have no real military strength, let alone bargaining power in this relationship.Canada, UK, Germany, Poland etc don't have any real sovereignty that the US doesn't provide for them. If they decided to crash the US economy, they would be fucked too, which is why all this shit in the OP article is just meaningless posturing.
>>1462216>Our defenseNice slip there Ivan. Trump has already made it clear he's going to betray the west to Putin, It's nice to know Europe will make sure trump plays a price for her treachery.
>>1462215>It was supposed to include absolutely every allegation against Trump whether credible or not.Which was then used to try to coup Trump in a color revolution by insinuating that he was a Russian agent. Which is precisely what it was a bad thing. If you think that's justified you're totally lost. Politically, morally, spiritually. Just a spiteful creature inhabiting a hollow human-shaped shell, trying to hijack the American body politic because he got in the way of your international schemes.
>>1462218Mueller proved that Russia thought he was too dumb and incompetent to be an agent. The Rubio Report proved that it was actually his sons and his minions who were the Russian agents.
>>1462214>He told Ukraine to stop killing Russians living in Ukraine for several years before finally invading.Russians that had military hardware and personnel Russia sent them that were fighting the Ukrainian government.>But the coupRussia invaded after new elections had been heldAlso, nice of you to ignore the first fucking invasion in Crimea before any fucking hostilities had occurred. Russia sure did want to secure Crimea's independence before they moved in a bunch of Russians and annexed the territory.If ethnic Russians in Ukraine want to be Russian, they can fucking move to Russia. Russia was even offering them citizenship at the fucking time if they did.This is also setting aside after Russia started the war it fucking pressganged local ethnic Russians in Ukraine and used them as fucking shock troops. Not to mention all the ethnic Russians they've killed fighting for Ukriane.OR THE FUCKING MAPS THEY'VE FUCKING SHOWN US SHOWING THEY INTENDED TO ANNEX ALL THE FUCKING WAY TO MOLDOVA DESPITE MOST OF THAT TERRITORY HAVING NO ANTI-GOVERNMENT FORCES THERE.>he's surrounded on all sides by NATO members.No, he isn't. Just to the west. Also, non-NATO members don't to deserve to get fucked by Russia either, demon. If Russia were fucking invading Mongolia, I'd still want them to get their shit kicked in and every country on earth to send weapons and foreign legionnaires to help it happen.Also, when the war fucking started, there were even less fucking NATO members surrounding him. It's almost like countries can read the fucking room. Maybe you should try it, shill.
>>1462217You're schizophrenic.
>>1462221He's right even if he got the pronouns wrong.
>>1462214How dumb are you to think this level of propaganda is going to sway anyone?
>>1462214I see the "Ukraine should just make peace so we can have less war" side has gone from arguing>Russia is a peaceful country and this is all Ukraine's faultto>Russia invading other countries isn't NATO's problem so they should just be allowed to do it without all the kvetchingI feel like you don't want less war.
>>1462220>Russians that had military hardware and personnel Russia sent them that were fighting the Ukrainian government.They were using the same equipment that Russia had because it was left over from the USSR, which Ukraine was a part of. Which is also why Russia is struggling so hard to retake Ukraine. Their weapons are dated dogshit that were left behind after arms dealers took all the good shit in the 90's.>Also, nice of you to ignore the first fucking invasion in Crimea-I don't give a fuck about Crimea. I don't give a fuck about Ukraine or Russia. I care that europoors keep trying to invent a pretense to drag my (USA) country into war with a nuclear power when most Americans are buying Costco hotdogs with credit cards. And now you're fucking threatening us with economic fallout because we *won't* do that. Your nation is not a sovereign entity, you stupid faggot. You are an economic zone. You live and breath under the security blanket our military, our taxdollars, provides you.If Trump promised me a home in Germany as a reward for annexing your stupid country on behalf of the United States, I would gladly take it. Fuck you.
>>1462108>>1462151>>1462160>>1462164No one in Europe even remotely thinks about a ground invasion of the US. This is an idea I've only ever seen on this South Dakotan penis shrinking forum, even as a joke.
>>1462222Vatnik BTFO by quads
>>1462226>They were using the same equipment that Russia had because it was left over from the USSR, which Ukraine was a part ofBitch, Ukraine didn't lose any fucking Buks to the fucking rebels. Shut your lying whore mouth.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17>I care that europoors keep trying to invent a pretense to drag my (USA) country into war with a nuclear power when most Americans are buying Costco hotdogs with credit cardsPeople like you need to stop kvetching about a war that is never going to happen and also quit pretending you give 2 shits about peace just cause you're too much of a coward to admit your real thoughts until your endless stream of lies gets called out.>Your nation is not a sovereign entity, you stupid faggotI'm American, bitch. Maybe you should start acting like you are and grow a spine.
>>1462226>Guy who mocked support of Ukraine as irrational fear of Russia invading Maryland now admits his support of Russia is out of an irrational fear of war between US and RussiaMany such bitches.
>>1462236Even worse, he's probably one of those 'Russian Nook!' cucks.
>>1462040Honestly I hope they are serious about this and this isn't an empty threat. I'm so fucking sick of Trump sucking Putin's cock and watching every limp-dicked republican nod along while they watch.I hate Russia so god damn much, if they spent half as much money on their roads as they do on propaganda and foreign influence/destabilization, they'd have hyper-lanes by now instead of the moon surface excuses they call public infrastructure.
>>1462271If the euros were serious in kneecapping trump, they'd call in their bonds before the midterms to tank the US economy and swing the midterms into the Democrats favor even more.
>>1462275I think if they did it to influence elections they'd be no worse than the Russians. It has to just remain a threat so that Trump can't get away doing whatever the fuck he wants without any repercussions. Not to mention if they DID do that as an obvious way to swing elections, I think it would have the opposite effect and Americans would be beyond pissed, possibly turning the midterms from an almost guaranteed democrat win into something far more purply. No they need to keep it as a threat, and possibly pull out an odd billion or two here or there if Trump does anything retarded to show they're serious.
>>1462040To be honest, given the past couple decades and the rise of fascism in Europe and the EU disguised as leftism, I do recognize they are no friends of the US.Their people pose as Americans and try to influence out politics. They're no friends of ours. Their economic impact and future potential for economic growth is minimal.Even so, attempting to explore stronger ties with Russia might be an issue for me.However, give that US politicians have signed the US economy over to foreign lands and with BRICS looming, the US is in a precarious position.Europe cannot replace our reliance on China.BRICS can cause the US pain.My point? None really. Just musing.
>>1462302And you discredited your entire post in only 21 words.Could have done it in 11, you got work to do Vatnik.
>>1462310>discreditedNah. I'm thinking out loud in a thread I don't care about. Can you go directly to the nearest noose and kill yourself though? Your worthless posts are as pointless as they are lacking in content.
>>1462313Do it yourself vantik. oh wait, you don't have the balls to threaten me directly and need to pussy foot around like the far right coward you are.
>>1462078its not about ukraine. giving it up to putin is basically telling him he's free to take over the world in the near future
>>1462108putin already holds the american presidency
>>1462040Lol microdick Europe wouldn't dare. They know they'd be destroyed faster than they can say muslim rape gang. Europe's entire existence rests on the US existence. Europe is basically the world 1000 years ago. It's the last relic of the past and it'll soon cease to be anyway. Every other country had moved on.
>>1462057>betraying Europe back to the Russians What does that even mean? You fucks still believe Putin is going to march back to east Berlin? You can’t say the Russians have an incompetent military that can’t even beat Ukraine then claim Russia is a threat to all of Europe,
>>1462156Done dirty by Russia… you mean like when France invaded Russia, and lost. Or when Germany invaded Russia, and lost. Those dirty Russian rat bastards.
>>1463617Never said that anon, you quoted someone else
