>>1462145
A missile hit the boat carrying 11 people. But when the smoke cleared, commanders were shocked by the drone feed: “Two survivors were clinging to the smouldering wreck.”

The men were then summarily executed by a second strike.

A future book title for Hegseth: “Franklin Is on Trial at The Hague.”

It’s impossible to keep track of all the rotten things in Trump 2.0. But even for this depraved bunch, this story is beyond ghastly. Does Hegseth cut loose by kicking kittens?

No matter what superpowers the doofus-in-chief believes were vested in him by the Mind Flayer, America is not at war with Venezuela. Only Congress can authorize war. So if the doomed souls aboard that boat were not enemy combatants, this is murder.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth defended a deadly follow-up strike on a suspected drug boat in the Caribbean, citing the “fog of war.” He told reporters during a Cabinet meeting he “didn’t stick around” for the second strike but the admiral in charge “made the right call.” (Dec. 2, 2025)

AP Video
Can you imagine if Venezuela started randomly obliterating pontoons and deck boats off the coast of Florida without due process? The consensus: Murder.

But let’s say those two men were enemy combatants. As they gripped the wreckage, presumably injured from the first strike, they were in a position of surrender. The U.S. military has rules of engagement on how to treat prisoners.

Rule No. 1: Do not kill them. Rule No. 2: Rescue them.

There is a reason the Coast Guard interdicts suspected narcotic boats instead of bombing them from the skies. About 25 per cent of the time, there are no illegal drugs to be found. Just confused humans sipping Coronas and Modelos.

Maybe Hegseth should change his Secretary of War title to Secretary of War Crimes? He is in real trouble this time and not even Caillou as a soldier of fortune can help.

Take that 2nd tap bitches, guess you should have learned to swim like us turtles

>not the heckin drug traffickers!
lol

>>1462172
>drug traffickers*
>*citation needed
Reminder the brother of one guy killed by Hegseth's strikes is currently leveling charges against the US in international court saying his brother was a fisherman who the US had zero justification in killing.

>>1462174
How many fishermen have submarines?

>>1462177
Democrats literally think they have signs marking the drug boats

>>1462177
There's been exactly one submarine, and about a dozen boats that we never confirmed had drugs aboard.

>>1462180
Foreign coast guards have literally dredged up the drugs from the sunken drug smuggling boats we've destroyed

>make double sure those boats sink
>we wouldn't want to have to verify our intel is accurate, after all

>>1462181
Citation needed

>>1462181
On what, like one boat?

>>1462172
>>1462178

Even if they were drug traffickers, which there still hasn't been any evidence of, these are still war crimes and illegal under international law. That's the important point. Even going by what the Trump administration says, they are breaking the law and committing crimes.

Of course the takeaway is that the US feels full authority to break any laws they don't feel like following and will murder anyone who calls them out on it.

Also, let's not forget that Trump just pardoned an actual convicted drug trafficker for no other reason than he wanted to influence the election i Honduras. These illegal attacks on Venezuelan boats have absolutely nothing at all to do with drug trafficking. Anyone who actually looks at this situation can clearly see that.

>>1462178
MAGAts think the CIA and DIA are monitoring the cargo on every small craft leaving Venezuela

>>1462185
>pardoned an actual convicted drug trafficker for no other reason than he wanted to influence the election i Honduras
Not him but Trump did that because Roger Stone asked him to.

>>1462187
That changes literally nothing. That Trump is just a bloated orange puppet for the alt right doesn’t matter. Only what actually happens.

>>1462187
So that makes it even worse

>>1462187
And like the Chinese guy, he probably has no idea why.

>>1462174
>>*citation needed
>just keep ignoring in every thread that intel said it was a drug boat

>>1462231
Link the posts.

>>1462231
Again. Even if it was a boat so loaded with drugs that it could barely stay afloat, what the US did was blatantly illegal under international law and considering they are now tryingto say this is a war, it also officially makes it a war crime. So whether they were fishermen or drug traffickers is the least relevant part of any of this. It is one nation boasting openly that they are above international law and not accountable to anyone, anywhere. They will break any laws they need to in order to achieve their goals because international law is different for America than it is for the entire rest of the world.

That's the story.

>>1462238
There must be a real-world analogue of this somewhere in which democrats got mad that an American homeowner killed a home intruder because he was a victim or someshit.

>>1462238
This post is dumb and wrong. It's ALSO against US criminal law and laws of war.

>>1462239
>Guys it's fine, they're only doing it to the BAD PEOPLE. If it was done against any of the GOOD PEOPLE it'd be horrible, but it's only ever done to the BAD PEOPLE. They wouldn't have done it if they weren't BAD PEOPLE, and we know they're BAD PEOPLE so we don't need to question any of it. The government knows who the GOOD PEOPLE and BAD PEOPLE are, always. Who cares what happens to the BAD PEOPLE, they deserve it!

>>1462243
>we don't need to question any of it
They have them on video.
Pinochet was right by the way.

>>1462250
at least you admit you're a fascist faggot

>>1462250
>Look guys, a video of a boat
>It probably has drugs on it, watch it explode now

>>1462145
Alright I gotta be completely honest, I don't see why people are freaking out so much over this stuff.
America has been fucking around in the Middle East for like two godforsaken centuries, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians all for the sake of... I don't even know. An attempt at nation building I think?

I always remember it was a common thing to hear during that time that we shouldn't be in the middle east and instead be focusing our military on things closer to home that actually effects us, like dealing with drug cartels. And now we're dealing with drug cartels just as shittily as we were dealing with terrorists in the middle east, but people are freaking out a lot more over it.

Afaik there was only one good reason I heard that people were freaking out over it, and it was something along the lines of "Venezuala isn't as full of cartel's as other countries are, and this is all because Trump wants to start a war with Venezuala because he has a hate boner for Maduro" which is fair, but that doesn't seem to be what's gotten people so riled up about this stuff.

Am I crazy for thinking this is purposeful? That Trump is trying to make it seem like his opponents are rooting for the Cartel by hellfiring fishing boats and then claiming 'that wasn't a fishing boat, that was a cartel boat, look, my opponents are in favor of cartels' and then smearing that shit all over Fox news? Because as shitty a president as Trump is, he's still decently good at playing the media, and that's the only reason why I can think of that people are getting so riled up over shit the U.S. has already been doing for fucking eons. Or maybe I have zero clue wtf is going on and am just running my shit for the sake of it.

>>1462273
>Centuries
Decades. Fuck I'm tired...

>>1462250
>Pinochet was right by the way.
You need to go back to r/Physical_Removal
Oh yes, that's right: you can't. Because that was thrown out of the helicopter that is Reddit. Good

>>1462145
>Opinion | If Pete Hegseth is going to sanction murder he can leave Franklin the Turtle out of it
>Opinion
>Based on the author’s interpretations and judgments of facts, data and events

>>1462282
this kind of cocksucking is pretty ineffectual, maybe try bringing up blm or trannies instead

>>1462283
Don't tell him that. He's going to do it.

>>1462273
>Alright I gotta be completely honest, I don't see why people are freaking out so much over this stuff.
They aren't.
>America has been fucking around in the Middle East for like two godforsaken centuries, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians all for the sake of... I don't even know. An attempt at nation building I think?
Israel essentially. If you look at the nations we attacked, it was absolutely for Israel. You think /pol/ and others are just joking, but look back a Zionism, WWI Balfour Declaration and WWII and you'll understand a bit more. Additionally the Talmud and things like the Eruv the plus symbol "+" should give you more insight on the matter.
> And now we're dealing with drug cartels just as shittily as we were dealing with terrorists in the middle east, but people are freaking out a lot more over it.
Democrats are trying to win the midterm elections is what's going on. Additionally I think it's clear they may have close ties with drug cartels.
>Am I crazy for thinking this is purposeful? That Trump is trying to make it seem like his opponents are rooting for the Cartel by hellfiring fishing boats and then claiming 'that wasn't a fishing boat, that was a cartel boat,
Yes, you're crazy if you think this was a fishing boat, and the US government doesn't use drones and have a satellite that can give you a colonoscopy from outer space.

>>1462299
>Additionally I think it's clear they may have close ties with drug cartels.
I'm sure you do.

>>1462300
The mafia disappeared a few decades ago. Do you think they disappeared for real or entered politics?

>>1462303
Depends which mafia you mean.

>>1462304
What are my choices here?

>>1462305
The jewish mafia has been responsible for a lot of shit relating to American support for zionism over the last 70+ years. A lot of the old famous italian mafia movies weren't actually about the italian mafia, for example.
Most mafias don't disappear. They go legitimate, entering the private sector or graduating to politics once they gain enough money. e.g Clinton was making evidence of drug trafficking disappear in Arkansas before he ever became president, now they're taking kids out of africa using NGOs.

>>1462239
You simply need to have been paying attention to the left for the past decade to see.

Look no further than the summer of firey but mostly peaceful protests. They'll certainly burn every city block, loot every store, and attack anyone who doesn't kneel for st floyd, but they will scream and cry that Kyle Rittenhouse is the real monster, oh those poor communist pedo rioters!!!

Frankly Lincoln should be exterminated the demonrats before they metaphorphisized into transgender neomarxists

>>1462306
The jewish mafia is mostly focused on swindling israelis in israeli out of money because they're all ex russian mob that made the trip when the soviet union fell

>>1462273
>rooting for the cartel

The left genuinely does support chaos and evil. Wake the fuck up. Did you forget they support antifa and want drag queens to twerk on children

>>1462308
They originated from Poland bro

>>1462309
>The left genuinely does support chaos and evil
My brother in Christ, the drug mules aren't the ones out here committing war crimes.

>>1462307
>>1462309
Man, you guys are just fucking nuts. I don't even know what else there is to say.

>>1462306
>>1462308
In the US the Jewish Mafia integrated with the Italian mafia forming the mafia as we know it in the US.

Did you forget
>'Mamdani is a very rational man' -Trump
Trump supports a 'communist' and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY
wants drag queens
>>1461864
The right genuinely does support chaos, evil and hypocrisy. The shill is a fuck-up.

>should be exterminated the demonrats
Says the one exterminating the English language.

>whined in a previous thread about what superior leftists did to Mussolini the inferior subhuman and originator of fascism
>b-but only you leftists - that only I can define as 'fascists' - can be violent, and rightists can
never be fascists and we can never be violent, nuh-uh! Because I say so!
>wants to hang those not exactly like rightists
The duality of the rightard hypocrite.

>>1462309
Ah, so it was purposeful. Because of useful idiots like you.

>>1462309
Good post. You know it is one when the three other replies are nothing but ad hom.

>>1462299
>Yes, you're crazy if you think this was a fishing boat, and the US government doesn't use drones and have a satellite that can give you a colonoscopy from outer space.
That and they've got hundreds of people from multiple branches and an entire chain of command full of officers looking into this and every boat, plane, car and fucking donkey that travels in this area, something that they've already been doing for years before this little operation even started, and all of these people identified this speed boat as a drug boat... yet /news/ / reddit thinks it was just a fishing boat (who the fuck packs 11 people onto a speed boat to fish?) because ..........

>>1462309
>>1462324
Get a room you two

>>1462325
If it’s about drugs then why did Trump just release a guy who trafficked 400 tons of cocaine?

>>1462325
Wow, amazing how they have all of that and yet their offered proof of there being drugs on board amounts to
>Dude trust me

>who the fuck packs 11 people onto a speed boat to fish?
Bullshit I just made up for 500 Alex.

>>1462299
>Yes, you're crazy if you think this was a fishing boat, and the US government doesn't use drones and have a satellite that can give you a colonoscopy from outer space.

Even if it wasn't a fishing boat, even if it was a boat full of drugs, what the US did is still blatantly illegal under international law and given they are using this as an excuse for war, also a war crime. That's what's actually important here. The drugs constantly get brought up as if it's justification, but it's not.

The US is declaring to the rest of the world thatthe rules set out for every other countryto not apply to them. They can break any international law they want, any time. The rules that apply to every other country on earth do not apply for the US.

That is what this story is about. We all know why you are trying so hard to deflect from it.

>>1462181
>Source: trust me bro

>>1462181
>>1462355
>source
>doesn't even fucking matter. Illegal murder is illegal murder.

>>1462347
>>who the fuck packs 11 people onto a speed boat to fish?
>Bullshit I just made up for 500 Alex.
Retard how many people were on that boat when it got struck the first time? Here let me help you:
>A U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, and intelligence officials became increasingly confident that the 11 people on board were transporting drugs, the Post reported.
>and intelligence officials became increasingly confident that the 11 people on board were transporting drugs
>the 11 people on board
>11 people on board
>11 people
>11
Fucking kill yourself.

>>1462325
>who the fuck packs 11 people onto a speed boat to fish?
The drug smugglers are also trafficking humans. That's why leftoids are seething.

>>1462380
>>1462383
Here's your attention faggot, now stop doubleposting

>>1462380
You know it's funny because they released footage and I can't even spot more than 4 people.

Oh, and even if it is true, that still isn't proof of any drugs being on board. You gonna blow up a clown car next?

>>1462388
>You know it's funny because they released footage and I can't even spot more than 4 people.
Good for you faggot. You're also the same retard in the last thread bitching about DURRR I CAN'T SEE ANY GUNS DERP DERP DERP

Every story covering this is saying there were 11 people. Now not only do you think you know more than every intel agency, military and civilian, involved with this boat but now you think you know more than every news agency that's reporting on this story. But because your fucking eyesight is so perfect you can tell the difference between the blurry squares on low resolution FLIR better than anyone else in the world and can confirm there were no drugs there? Well shit, we could've used you during the Rittenhouse trial Mr. "I see better than fucking everyone in the world."

>>1462397
NTA but given how much and often the trump regime lies, you cannot take any claims from them at face value.
In fact it's easier to assume they're just lying now given their track record.

>>1462398
Okay fuckface, how many people were on the boat? Y'know since every fucking news agency in the world got it wrong. You tell me.

>>1462399
The actual footage shows 4 people like the other anon says. So I'm going to trust what my eyes can confirm and not what trump and the conservatively biased media claims is there.

Dear FBI fuckup tasked to monitor these forums,

Foreign shilling does more damage to America than drugs do, so please start missile striking the homes of foreign shills. This is just as legal as attacking these stupid drug boats.
You already have the IPs of the shills. Kill them. Kill them now

>>1462400
Okay well I looked at the footage from Jan 6th again, and guess what? I didn't see any insurrection. No violence at all.

>>1462398
Democrats have unironically been spreading conspiracy theories that the Trump admin has been dropping illegals into the Atlantic ocean pinochet-style. So all this shit about 'muh war crimes' is suspect at best.

>>1462383
Then the US just blew up human trafficking victims too? Is that what you’re saying? Because that’s way worse.

Dear FBI handler previously assigned to monitor my posts (Hi Paul, hope you're doing well)

Please identity, detain, and deport any leftist spreading conspiracy theories that Trump is a super duper fascist that's trying to hurt the feelings of drug dealers. The civil disorder spread by anarchists and communists has resulted in the deaths of federal agents, three assassination attempts, and the death of Charlie Kirk.

Hugs and kisses, your truly, anon~

>>1462403
What the fuck are you talking about? I haven't seen one thing about that, but I have seen on-video and verbal admittance this admin blew up people who were already shipwrecked.

>>1462397
>Every story covering this is saying there were 11 people
Because that's the number the admin claims you fucking retard. How did they verify this? They fucking didn't, the same way they didn't verify there were drugs on board. News boards just have to go with that number because it's the only number they have.

There's a reason why we have drug BUSTS and not the police blowing up suspected drug dealers' houses.

>>1462411
>but I have seen on-video and verbal admittance this admin blew up people who were already shipwrecked.
Boat was disabled, not destroyed. We're doing to do the same fucking thing as last thread.

>>1462411
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-viral-ice-deportation-claims-debunked/a-73201853
>In a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore." These claims have surgedon social media repeatedly in the past days.

>>1462413
>Because that's the number the admin claims you fucking retard.
And your fucking counter to that is DUDE JUST TRUST ME like it is EVERY MOTHER FUCKING TIME!

Well guess what? I looked at the footage. There were 11 people on the boat. Suck my dick.

>>1462417
NTA but you're trying to claim that they're killing innocent people, but you guys have been lying about the topic of immigration for the last ten months.
I'd rather trust the admin actually trying to fight drug trafficking than the people who want it to keep happening.

>>1462420
How do I keep fucking up quotes like this? Meant for >>1462413

>>1462415
>"Democrats" are a tiktok cloutchaser
Yawn. Go back to bed grandpa, you can't handle the idea of social media.

>>1462417
Ok go post a pic highlighting each one. And explain how this is somehow proof of drug trafficking.

>>1462420
>Fighting drug trafficking
>Literally just pardoned a drug kingpin
lmao. The irony is since you have 0 proof of these boats having drugs on them, the only thing this admin has done to "combat" drug trafficking is let people off the hook for doing it.

>>1462402
>Changing the subject
You're REALLY unhappy with the fact trump is lying about all the fishermen he's murdering and war crimes he's committing.

>>1462425
Did we need proof before shooting down the bombers at Pearl Harbor?

>>1462420
>NTA but you're trying to claim that they're killing innocent people, but you guys have been lying about the topic of immigration for the last ten months.
Oh yay, another "Americans kill more Americans than non-Americans" line. I'm not even going to waste my time with this because I don't want the goalposts to move too far away. I'm not going to fucking argue with you retards about this all day. You know god damn fucking well if this was any other topic you wouldn't accept "dude I looked at the footage" as a valid ans - hell you motherfuckers didn't accept that when the whole Rittenhouse shit kicked off years ago! So fuck you! Provide a valid counter-source or fuck off.

>>1462429
These boats weren't even in US waters, nevermind bombing anything. Try again.

>>1462423
>Ok go post a pic highlighting each one. And explain how this is somehow proof of drug trafficking.
You first, asshole. And the proof of drug trafficking is intel said so. I trust them over you.

>>1462427
>retard doesn't understand context

>>1462431
The drug trade kills more people every year than Pearl harbor did. Perfectly justified.

>>1462433
>And the proof of drug trafficking is intel said so.
And the evidence provided? Literally nothing, just "Yeah we have evidence they had drugs. No, you can't see what it actually is".

Again, if they just operated normally, we wouldn't have this problem. They would've either seized the drugs and been able to show they were on board, or they would've found nothing and let them go. But instead, they blew them up and offered no proof there was ever any drugs on board, which highlights exactly WHY drug busts don't involve the police blowing up the suspected crack den.

>>1462435
>let me just reveal top secret information during a shooting conflict and risk getting any HUMINT agents killed because Anon is upset
lmao fuck off.

>>1462434
So when are we executing the entire staff of every company that produces painkillers? Or every car manufacturer; after all car accidents kill even more than drug overdoses.

I also wanna point it's very, very fucking funny that conservatives will simultaneously bitch and moan about how many people drugs kill, but then condemn anyone who dies of an overdose as nothing but a drugged up addict who did the world a favor by killing themselves.

>>1462436
>Top secret information
I'm not asking for the identities of informants or sources. I'm asking for literally any proof there was drugs on board that isn't "well intel said there was".

Again, there is a fucking reason drug busts don't involve blowing up suspected dens. If they'd just captured the boat, they could easily present proof. But they didn't; they blew it up, so now they have no proof they had any reason to do so in the first place.

>>1462437
Big pharma isn't cutting their shit with fentanyl to wage a proxy war against the US on behalf of china. They learned that shit from the british.
>but then condemn anyone who dies of an overdose as nothing but a drugged up addict who did the world a favor by killing themselves.
Anybody who gets hooked on smack is already a dead man walking. Democrats want to 'help' them by giving them safe spaces and clean needles to inject, or pharmaceutical analogs to slow the downward spiral, but that's only so that dem-controlled districts stop looking like crypts.

>>1462439
>Big pharma isn't cutting their shit with fentanyl to wage a proxy war against the US on behalf of china.
Funny thing is, neither is Venezuela you retard. Fent is only produced in Mexico lmao

>>1462442
I don't really care who is producing what, so long as it doesn't arrive in the country. Bombing a """fishing boat""" filled with what appears to be kilos of cocaine is a small price to pay.

>>1462438
>I'm not asking for the identities of informants or sources. I'm asking for literally any proof there was drugs on board that isn't "well intel said there was".
And then you'll bitch and complain about that too. They could've shown you a video of them loading the boat by hand with brick of cocaine and you'd argue that it was AI.

>>1462444
Your "proof" they had drugs is currently at the bottom of the ocean, if it even exists lmao. Again, this is exactly why drug busts don't involve blowing up places you think have drugs in them.

Oh, and this is all getting ahead of the fact that even if these were boats staffed by the worst rapists/murderers/child molesters on the earth, carrying the world's most lethal fentanyl designed to kill the entire population of NYC, bombing them again to ensure no survivors is STILL a war crime lol.

>>1462445
Dems are pulling out all the stops to make sure cartels are allowed to keep hurting americans.

>>1462445
>And then you'll bitch and complain about that too. They could've shown you a video of them loading the boat by hand with brick of cocaine and you'd argue that it was AI.
So now we've gone to the cope of "Well uh, if it DID exist you would just deny it. So I don't have to show you it at all.". Which basically admits you have no proof at all.

>>1462446
>Again, this is exactly why drug busts don't involve blowing up places you think have drugs in them.
You cry about people getting caught up in lawful drug busts too though, like Breonna Taylor, who got caught with a dead body in the back of her rental car.

Your entire political ideology is built around worshiping the absolute worst members of society, so why should your arguments be taken seriously?

>>1462448
>So now we've gone to the cope of "Well uh, if it DID exist you would just deny it. So I don't have to show you it at all."
First off, I DON'T have to show you anything at all because all you have is "well I don't trust them and I looked at the footage and I don't believe them so there!", but my point there was to highlight how ridiculous you are. There isn't a shred of proof they could give that would satisfy you without jeopardizing intel and getting someone killed - and they're not going to do that (thank god) just to make some faggot neckbeard on the internet happy.

>Which basically admits you have no proof at all.
LMAO coming from the guy whose whole argument is there were no drugs on the boat because everyone involved in the military is lying.

>>1462450
>You cry about people getting caught up in lawful drug busts too though, like Breonna Taylor, who got caught with a dead body in the back of her rental car.
Breonna Taylor wasn't the one being busted you retard; they were looking for someone who hadn't lived in her home for months. Also, it was her car being used by her ex, and it wasn't even said ex who was eventually arrested for the murder.

Oh, and if we're gonna keep up this comparison, you do realize the cop who shot her got removed from the force and is currently serving a prison sentence? And the LAPD admitted fault and had to pay out 20 million to her family in a wrongful death suit? I wonder what that'll equal in this case.

>>1462452
>First off, I DON'T have to show you anything at all because all you have is "well I don't trust them and I looked at the footage and I don't believe them so there!", but my point there was to highlight how ridiculous you are. There isn't a shred of proof they could give that would satisfy you without jeopardizing intel and getting someone killed - and they're not going to do that (thank god) just to make some faggot neckbeard on the internet happy.
But they have literally no proof, and it isn't just "faggot neckbeards" on the internet they need to prove that to. Try criminal court.

>LMAO coming from the guy whose whole argument is there were no drugs on the boat because everyone involved in the military is lying.
If you present a claim with no proof, how are we supposed to know they aren't lying? Especially when the alternative would be admitting to murder and war crimes.

>>1462456
>But they have literally no proof
And your proof of that is.... Nothing.

>>1462457
>Uh, you have no proof I have no proof! So I have to present no proof!
Imagine if I shot someone in the head one day, then when the cops confronted me about it, I said he tried to kill me with a gun. I threw the body into an incinerator right after too, so they have no proof there was a gun, but they also have no proof he DIDN'T have a gun. Therefore, I walk free, right?

>>1462458
Now add to your imagination that there's a video of the shooting and it will start getting closer to a decent comparison.

>>1462459
Yeah there's a video of the shooting. It clearly captures me shooting the guy in the head and killing him, but not if the guy had a gun or not.

>>1462454
>Also, it was her car being used by her ex, and it wasn't even said ex who was eventually arrested for the murder.
It was legally her car you retard.
>the cop who shot her got removed from the force and is currently serving a prison sentence?
It was in Louisville, not LA, and the jury was made up of the same people who lived in that area. Because "jury of your peers" means fuck-all if you shoot a criminal in a community full of criminals.

>>1462462
>It was legally her car you retard.
Which doesn't matter because she was cleared of any involvement because it was being used by her ex.

>the jury was made up of the same people who lived in that area. Because "jury of your peers" means fuck-all if you shoot a criminal in a community full of criminals.
Pure COPE.

>>1462464
>Which doesn't matter because she was cleared of any involvement because it was being used by her ex.
Imagine this excuse being used in any gun crime, ever. You'd be laughed out of court.
>Pure COPE.
We just had three months of "urban youths" doing wild shit and being let out onto the streets because they claimed to be mentally unfit to stand trial.

>>1462434
>The drug trade kills more people
Thanks for admitting that Trump is responsible for the murder of American citizens by he pardoning the one who allowed 400 tons of cocaine into the US: >>1461864

>>1462380
Taking that into consideration...Who the fuck packs 11 people on a boat if the purpose of that boat is to transport a load of drugs? Why the fuck if it's a drug boat are they wasting cargo space with people??


And AGAIN. None of that actually matters because murdering people even if they were transporting drugs is still illegal under international law. Why do you continue to ignore the part of the story that actually matters and still keep droning about how maybe they did have drugs.


WE ALL KNOW WHY YOU IGNORE THE REAL STORY.

>>1462495
Other anon already answered that they're also in the people smuggling trade.

>>1462473
>Imagine this excuse being used in any gun crime, ever. You'd be laughed out of court.
Funny because it did work in court and she was never charged with anything relating to the crime. And ironically, her ex wasn't charged either because it was a third party who actually did it.

And none of this has any relation to how they raided the wrong person and killed an innocent woman because her boyfriend understandably thought armed men were breaking into his gf's house.

>>1462497
So then they bombed a bunch of human trafficking victims?

>>1462500
If so, based. That's one way to stop illegal immigration.

>>1462498
>Funny because it did work in court
Right, because she was a black woman. A permanent victim in the eyes of the law, society, white women, and juries that are majority black.
>And none of this has any relation to how they raided the wrong person and killed an innocent woman
She wasn't innocent. She was an accomplice to a murder and was committing a conspiracy to cover up her boyfriend's drug trafficking crimes.
The only reason why she was shot was because the raid took place in a neighborhood where black drug dealers rob other black drug dealers. This is so much of problem in black communities that her retarded faggot hubby decided to shoot through their closed front door.

>>1462502
>She wasn't innocent. She was an accomplice to a murder and was committing a conspiracy to cover up her boyfriend's drug trafficking crimes.
>The only reason why she was shot was because the raid took place in a neighborhood where black drug dealers rob other black drug dealers. This is so much of problem in black communities that her retarded faggot hubby decided to shoot through their closed front door.
Yeah none of this is true.

>>1462504
>none of this is true
That should be the name of this board, actually

>>1462504
It is absolutely true.

Democrats deny that minorities are responsible for their own actions because it lends credence to the idea that race is deterministic. This is literally why they keep lying about the drug boats,

>>1462495
>WE ALL KNOW WHY YOU IGNORE THE REAL STORY.
Why is that and what is the real story?

>>1462433
>Shill is still seething his attempt to change the subject from trump's war crimes against fishermen is being ignored.

>>1462501
At least you admit you're a sociopath who supports illegal killing.

>>1462508
The real story is that the US is blatantly breaking international law in the open. Even if these were boats laden with drugs, murdering the people on that boat is illegal and a crime. But the US declares that the rules set up for the rest of the world don't apply to them.

That's the story. As seemingly minonr as this is, it hekps set the precedent that the laws that the US has it's own set of rules it follows and they are doing this to showboat that to the world. Anyone paying attention knows this is about oil, not narcotics. The point is to see how well their smoke screens work.

>>1462515
>Even if these were boats laden with drugs, murdering the people on that boat is illegal and a crime.
Why is murdering drug dealers a bad thing?

>>1462517
Because murder is bad anon. Even when it happens to (who the government says are) bad people. You cannot create a class of people to whom the government can do whatever they want to, regardless of laws or ethics.

>>1462517
You don't even know if they're drug dealers.

>>1462518
>Because murder is bad anon.
They're literally killing people though.
Are we not allowed to defend ourselves?

>>1462520
Do you have any proof that they aren't drug dealers?

>>1462523
Ok, go shoot up a painkiller company.

>>1462525
That's not how burden of proof works.

>>1462527
Trump provided proof. You're saying it's not real though. So where's your proof?

>>1462523
>Are we not allowed to defend ourselves?
Unless they were literally forcibly injecting people with drugs, that's not a defense for murdering someone. If I break into a drug dealer's house and blow his head off, I'm still getting hit with a murder charge regardless of how many people ODed on his shit.

>>1462528
>Trump provided proof.
Where? And "Intel said so" with no actual confirmation on what that intel is doesn't count.

>>1462528
Can you please stop sucking orange cock in front of us anon, this is an NSFW board

>>1462530
>proof isn't proof
Oh okay

>>1462529
>that's not a defense for murdering someone
Why not?
Do you think the law is what informs morality?

>>1462532
>Your honor, I have proof
>You can't see it or know what it is, but it exists

>>1462533
And now you're just reduced to questioning morality because you know the law doesn't allow for this type of shit, even though even your little ethics question would still get a pretty resounding "murdering evil people is still murder" from even the most basic class.

>>1462533
>Do you think the law is what informs morality?
1. We're talking about a legal defense
2. Pretty sure most ethical systems wouldn't have a reasoned defense of executing cocaine runners who aren't resisting. Feel free to make an ethical argument, though.

>>1462517
>Why is murdering drug dealers a bad thing?

Because it's a crime under international law. Allegedly there are two crimes. One is possible drug trafficking that may or may not have happened. The other is murder with no legal justification. You are trying to spin it that any muder the US commits is justified even though there is no legal or moral basis.

>>1462536
>Feel free to make an ethical argument, though.
The people who talked every day about commandeering the state to punish "fascists" without mercy get really somber, even teary-eyed about cartel members dying in airstrikes. So the takeaway here is that they're not against warcrimes, but that they consider the cartels a part of their team.

These same retards also cheered about drones yeeting surrending soldiers for four years, so what the fuck, right?

>>1462542
>You are trying to spin it that any muder the US commits is justified even though there is no legal or moral basis.
Stupid people argue that it's immoral to kill people who threaten your country and people. True immorality is believing you can hurt people and expect no lasting consequences, and they game the law to ensure that it doesn't happen.

>>1462554
>>1462555
so no evidence they're cartel members

>>1462554
>The people who talked every day about commandeering the state to punish "fascists" without mercy
With trials, that are entirely deserved.

If you're morally equating bringing someone up on charges and putting them before a jury of their peers with dropping a hellfire missile on their head, you've lost the fucking plot. Literally nobody would be bitching if Trump were arresting drug runners. In fact, we're actively calling for that shit instead of war criming them.

Which completely torpedoes your argument about us being on the same team as the drug runners, btw. I mean if we want the same shit to happen to fascists and drug runners how are we on the side of drug runners, but not on your side?

>These same retards also cheered about drones yeeting surrending soldiers for four years, so what the fuck, right?
What the literal fuck are you talking about? There's been multiple instances of Russians surrendering to Ukrainian drones and being captured alive. The only instance to the contrary I'm aware of was a Russian killed by their own side to keep them from surrendering, which is bad, actually.

Fuck's sake Ukraine has a program specifically set up to use drones to confirm surrenders and lead soldiers safely to capture. They fucking want prisoners.

>>1462560
This is the sticking point, the far right conservatives will say stuff that tries to imply it was what their narrative dictates, but will always lack the definitive proof.

>>1462561
>With trials, that are entirely deserved.
As adjudicated by people who think keeping time is an unironic example of systemic racism and had that cancerous factoid enshrined in the Smithsonian.
>Literally nobody would be bitching if Trump were arresting drug runners.
You faggots were crying about deporting a wife-beating, human trafficking narco-terrorist to CECOT because "muh due process", even though he was given all the process he was due.
>There's been multiple instances of Russians surrendering to Ukrainian drones and being captured alive.
And many more being killed after surrendering while wounded. Which democrats supported.
Another boat was just destroyed by the way. It was filled with people this time. Maybe if you swim to the bottom of the ocean fast enough you'll be able to ask them whether or not they were fishing with twenty people in a 3 motor high speed piece of shit.

>>1462563
I'm totally fine with killing drug traffickers. Making dems defend them is fun though.

>>1462566
are you pretending to have fun being a shill? that's kind of sad, we all know you're lying and wish you had real job

>>1462567
You're literally getting mad that Trump is saving lives.

>>1462568
you're literally a drain on society, and once you stop being a shill you might find human companionship

>>1462569
I can go through the archives right now and tabulate how many hours you've wasted here accusing other anons of not being American.

>>1462565
You don't really seem mentally sound, I gotta say. You're inventing shit to be mad at and seem to care more about orcs than people. Also, what you would justify and where you would place your outrage makes any crying about hypocrisy or shitty ethics on the left laughable.

For a guy that pretended he was gonna argue ethics, you've utterly fucking failed to do so.

>>1462571
i'm wasting time? i enjoy making fun of you, are you sure you're not the one wasting time. nobody takes you seriously

>Trump is saving lives
>>1461864
>Donald Trump, who has cast himself as a relentless foe of illegal drugs, pardoned former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez, freeing him from a 45-year sentence for conspiring to import tons of cocaine into the United States
You're seething that Trump is murdering American citizens, thus making you a liar

>>1462434
What, do you think they're just running around jabbing heroin needles into people for fun?

>>1462517
This isn't fucking Indonesia or some other thirdie shithole.

>>1462616
>if you treat criminals and drug traffickers as the scum they are you're a heckin third world shithole!
>not like us civilized tranies that let out deranged nogs 37 times until they stab a whyte woman in the neck, or mostly peacefully burn and loot our cities
>.....but I want the entire populations of these third world shitholes to walk into the US whenever they want anyway

>>1462572
Your sense of ethics is spiritually inverted. You treat terrorists a victims, outsiders as your preferred in-group, and openly lie about the actions of the federal government as a means to protect all of the aforementioned drug dealers. You unironically believe that due process and ethical considerations should be made for narcoterrorists, but oddly keep quiet when confronted with the fact that they have provided no such fairness to their victims.

The fact that we're even debating this topic, and you are still pretending that you have any moral basis by which to argue, indicates that your indoctrination is fully complete. You are an Orwellian puppet made manifest by groups who are explicitly appealing to the emotions of low-IQ westerners so that they can keep killing them.

>>1462619
>You unironically believe that due process and ethical considerations should be made for narcoterrorists
Yes, next question.
>but oddly keep quiet when confronted with the fact that they have provided no such fairness to their victims.
So make them answer for that instead of lowering to their level.

>>1462619
Personally, I think a class of people the government can suspend all lawful procedure and ethics regarding if they so much as suspect someone of being part of it is an idea that should scare everyone. You cannot trust anyone with that power.

>if you treat criminals and drug traffickers as the scum they are you're a heckin third world shithole!
>>1461864
So Trumpists want to live in a third world shithole. Thanks for admitting that, cultists.

>>1462618
>if you treat criminals and drug traffickers as the scum they are you're a heckin third world shithole!
Cold Take: I'd rather live next to a drug trafficker than a war criminal unless my house is next to a cemetery. If you feel the opposite, I hear Rwanda is taking immigrants.

>not like us civilized tranies that let out deranged nogs 37 times until they stab a whyte woman in the neck
Damn, it's almost like treating mental illness as a criminal problem instead of a medical one leads to bad outcomes. I wonder if we could apply that lesson to the war on drugs?

>>1462619
>Your sense of ethics is spiritually inverted. You treat terrorists a victims
To the contrary the people blowing up random unarmed civilians for political reasons are definitely not victims.
>outsiders as your preferred in-group
In my experience, letting in-group/out-group bias govern your thinking tends to leave you not much better off than your average chimp.
>and openly lie about the actions of the federal government
I don't need to lie about the feds to make them look bad here. Fuck's sake our allies have stopped sharing intel with us over this cause they don't want to be fucking implicated in murders.
>as a means to protect all of the aforementioned drug dealers.
If the law doesn't protect the worst of us, it doesn't protect the best of us.

>You unironically believe that due process and ethical considerations should be made for narcoterrorists
Yes.
>but oddly keep quiet when confronted with the fact that they have provided no such fairness to their victims.
You think random drug mules have victims? Have you considered taking personal responsibility for your addiction?

>The fact that we're even debating this topic, and you are still pretending that you have any moral basis by which to argue, indicates that your indoctrination is fully complete. You are an Orwellian puppet
Orwell killed people like you.

>>1462568
In what way?

>>1462566
And there's proof of that more than trump's word? A man with zero credibility?

>>1462534
Why is it okay for your side to 'trust the experts' but not ours?

>>1462638
why do you still have no proof

>>1462639
We do.

>>1462640
is it behind a paywall or something? i don't see it

>>1462641
You have the video. Multiple intel agencies saw the rest of it and confirmed it was a drug boat. If you can trust the experts on hunter Biden's laptop, Trump colluding with Russians, or all the vaccine mandates and censorship being justified, then I can trust the experts about this boat being full of drugs.

>>1462642
>here's the proof:
>...WHAT ABOUT HUNTER'S PENIS

lol. can't make this shit up

>>1462643
Why is it okay for your side to 'trust the experts' but not ours?

>>1462644
why do you have no proof, for extra credit, what does hunter biden have to do with you having no proof

>>1462645
>why do you have no proof,
The experts have it.

>>1462647
so, you have no proof with extra steps

>>1462648
You can keep asking, I already said the experts have it a few times now. Why is it you can trust your experts but we can't trust ours?
>It's only okay when WE do it!

>>1462649
why do you keep trying to play us vs you games instead of posting proof? "our guys said so" isn't proof. vaguely saying "the left did it first" isn't proof either

>>1462650
>"our guys said so" isn't proof.
Yes it is. You had no problem when it was your guys.

>>1462642
>Multiple intel agencies saw the rest of it and confirmed it was a drug boat.
Where?

>>1462653
.... the entire SOUTHCOM? Navy intel? Air Force Surveillance? Pentagon? CIA? You realize it's not just one guy making these decisions?

>>1462655
Show me.

>>1462656
Ask them.
https://www.southcom.mil/Contact/

>>1462657
No, you do it. Show me.

>>1462658
Make me.

>>1462642
It still doesn't matter if the boat was literally made of drugs.

THIS IS STILL ILLEGAL AND A VOILATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW.

Get that through your head, you fucking retard disingenuous shill. Laws matter.

>>1462555
Laws are what matters, that's why we have them. The US is murdering people with zero legal proper reason. That they are saying they can break any laws they feel like is the entire point. It's crminal muder being carried out in the wide open and on purpose, to set the precent that the US is above the laws that govern every other nation on earth.

This is what you are championing for. At least be honest that you are the disgusting illegal murdering swine that you are

>>1462666
What law says it's illegal to blow up terrorists?

>>1462653
Apparently the video shows a second missile strike on 2 survivors, but the dems admit it was a drug boat.
>Smith acknowledged there was likely cocaine on the boat, but he objects to the Republican administration’s rationale for continued attacks on alleged drug runners who may or may not be heading to the United States.
https://apnews.com/article/pete-hegseth-boat-strike-admiral-congress-521606d39c04dcc040ea232dc9cfeeda

>>1462671
>What law says it's illegal to blow up terrorists
Just ask those who were in the French Resistance. Or pilots of Avro Lancasters dropping bombs on Dresden. Or pilots of Hawker Typhoons firing rockets at Tiger tanks.

>>1462671
International law.

Drug traffickers are by definition in a different class than terrorists. The US declaring that the people they are murdering are terrorists doesn't change that. There are laws and rules of engagement even with countries that have conflicts with one another. Other than the US intelligence agencies saying "trust us bro, we know these guys are drug traffickers" there's zero evidence, but again that IS NOT THE POINT.

Even if they did have boats full of drugs, murdering them without any due process is a violation of international law. Which again is the point of all of this. The US is displaying that it can ignore international law any time it wants to. That is the point of all this, and whatever insipid worm you are, you are part of that adgenda. You and your family should by all rights be murdered just to bring the point home.

>>1462678
>International law.
Quote and link it. Show me where it specifically says you can't blow up terrorists - and then explain why every president since I've been alive has been allowed to do that.

>>1462679
https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war

First you quote me the part where is says that anyone trafficking drugs is in the same category as a terrorist that would justify this even if what you did claim was real. This is blatantly illegal.

>>1462680
>First you quote me the part where is says that anyone trafficking drugs is in the same category as a terrorist that would justify this even if what you did claim was real.
Executive order 14157.

>>1462682
How about something that doesn't make a mockery of the constitution

>>1462682
>Executive order 14157
Not a criminal statute.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/survivors-boat-strike-were-trying-to-climb-back-onto-vessel-before-follow-up-attack/
>Two people who survived the U.S. military's early September strike on an alleged drug-carrying vessel were attempting to climb back onto the boat before it was hit a second time, a source familiar with the matter told CBS News on Wednesday.

>>1462682
Cute.
>Executive Order 14157, issued by President Trump in early 2025, designated major Latin American drug cartels like Sinaloa Cartel and CJNG as Foreign Terrorist Organizations

That's not actually legal under any international laws. Calling people terrorists doesn't change the definition of the word. The US is currently murderingboats full of people and declaring after the fact that they were drug teaffickers (with zero evidence other thah 'trust us bro, our surveillance said they had drugs and shit') and that drug traffickers are terrorists and therefore open for killing with no due process.

Killing people clinging to a sinking boat regardless of whether they had been transporting dugs is an international crime. The only thing worth looking into here is why you are so intent on insisting that the US should npt have to follow the same rules that are laid out for every other nation on earth.

So what is your excuse? International law shouldn't apply to the US because it's special? If Venezuela bombed a boat full of hillbilly retard fishermen and declared they were doing something illegal what do you think would hapnnmkdpen?

>>1462987
>That's not actually legal under any international laws.
I'm sorry, UN laws have no authority over us (the same UN laws that thinks everyone has the right to social security, jobs, unions, healthcare, education, blowjobs and a free pony). Deal with it.

>Calling people terrorists doesn't change the definition of the word.
From the same group of people who routinely call conservatives nazis every time they take a breath. In before you think my apathy towards these poor, innocent drug dealers proves your point.

>with zero evidence other thah 'trust us bro
>my counter to all the intel saying it's a drug boat is just trust me bro
lol. Also
>Two people who survived the U.S. military's early September strike on an alleged drug-carrying vessel were attempting to climb back onto the boat before it was hit a second time, a source familiar with the matter told CBS News on Wednesday.

>The only thing worth looking into here is why you are so intent on insisting that the US should npt have to follow the same rules that are laid out for every other nation on earth.
No such thing exists, which is why so many nations blow up boats in international waters all the time without consequences, whether it's in the gulf, the Philippines or Ukraine striking Russia's shadow fleet around the world.

See your problem is you think there's actual "rules" that every nation has to follow. Hold that thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRSm-8tPFt4

>International law shouldn't apply to the US because it's special?
Yes.
>If Venezuela bombed a boat full of hillbilly retard fishermen and declared they were doing something illegal what do you think would hapnnmkdpen?
We'd kill them.

>>1462987
By the way your "international laws" would apply to Obama and all the million times he's drone-striked someone unarmed who isn't a threat - or every Apache pilot in the entire GWOT era... but because these guys are in fucking water....

>#angrycops