>>1462776
Remember when the cope was that they're just going after illegal immigrants, not immigrants in general?
lol
lmao

>>1462778
This isn't even about immigrants anymore
It's about stripping citizenship from demographics who don't reliably vote Republican

If America survives the trump regime, the 2nd most important thing after prosecuting everyone in the regime will be dismantling the corrupt republican supreme court.

>>1462776
Another bullet point of Project2025 coming to pass. Remember when they tried to say it was a made up hoax from democrats?

>>1462784
That's a big "if."

>>1462778
I think that was your cope. What people have been saying for over a decade now is that they want the Mexicans out and immigration curbed in general.

>>1462792
>What the NYpost and FoxNews have been saying for over a decade now
*ftfy

>>1462792
My cope? They're doing exactly what I and everyone else with any sense expected them to do, the fucking fascist freaks. MAGA shills were the ones going "nooo they're just going after illegals, rapists and murderers, stop fearmongering libtards, why are you defending drug dealers??"

>>1462794
Who's tf is afraid of Mexicans being deported?

>>1462776
>The Supreme Court agreed
Sad. The fact they even agreed to see such a case is ridiculous and you don't know if they even agreed to see it just to codefy it is even more concerning

>>1462793
Not really. They've been parroting the president's "we want them to come legally" narrative, which is blatantly out of tune with the American People's stated desire to not be replaced culturally, economically, or otherwise.

>Noooo don't they know you can just naturalize everybody with a ritual lineup at city hall? No human being is illegal!

>>1462795
Anon is exceedingly worried about rightwingers acknowledging race.

>>1462807
> the American People's stated desire not be replaced culturally, economically, or otherwise.
You and the terminally online losers you swap racist memes and trans porn with do not speak for the American people

>>1462805
At this point we'll have to assume the Republican judges will just rubber stamp trumps racist insanity given no one thought they'd take his argument that he was a king who was above the law, and they declared he was.

>>1462811
The DHS twitter profile was sending out moonman memes two months ago. We literally run the government.

>>1462808
This but unironically

>>1462814
>We
Russians?

>>1462814
If they could manipulate the left with baby talk and memes like they do with you they'd be doing that
You're just the path of least resistance

>>1462817
Actually, no, just the opposite.
We used Trump as an instrument to seize control of the party from the worthless neocon elitist shitbag RINOs and used it to replace Clintonian third way neoliberalism with Christofascism as the predominant political ideology in the United States.
We voted for all of this, we won, we are in charge now and for the foreseeable future, and things are going even better and happening even faster than we expected.

>>1462819
>we
So you are a Russian
Gotcha.

>>1462811
Yes I do. Who tf are you?

>>1462776
>telling U.S. agencies not to recognize citizenship of children born in the U.S. if neither parent is an American citizen or legal permanent resident, also called a "green card" holder.
Good. So now illegals can't come here, knock out a litter of anchor babies, and then expect to stay here. Sucks for the green card holders, but if you fucking leftists didn't abuse the system so much we wouldn't of threw down the scalpel and picked up a hammer.

>wouldn't of threw down the scalpel and picked up a hammer.
I bet that sounds better in whatever retarded language you speak, ESL fag

>>1462840
Illegals aren't eligible for legal status through their children unless they first leave the country, a thing I would think you would want. No path to legal status means no incentive to leave and come in the right way.
>Sucks for the green card holders
No. It sucks for the American citizens that are being targeted here. And our society as a whole since when you don't have jus soli you end up with a stateless underclass.

Any illegal that exists in this country without my knowledge does so without my consent.

>>1462843
Oh, by the way, stateless people are technically considered undocumented, so this would vastly INCREASE the number of undocumented people in this country

And stateless people are far far harder to remove than run of the mill undocumented. This is like cutting off your hand to get rid of a paper cut. Most fucking illegals aren't coming here to get citizenship through their fucking kids. People tend to not plan to upend their life to live in a country they fled a generation ago in the hopes they will be let back in the country they were in in the first place after however many years their application takes to process.

>>1462845
Too logical.
Translate that into something a terminally retarded tranny obsessed brazilian would understand

>>1462845
>so this would vastly INCREASE the number of undocumented people in this country
It's not retroactive retard. If they do rule in favor Trump, it will only apply to children born after the ruling is made.
How do you people feel so confident to talk about cases like these without knowing about ex post facto laws.

>>1462852
>It's not retroactive retard.
Until it is. Seriously, why wouldn't it be? Don't be a fuckwit.

>ex post facto laws
This isn't a new law. You know how Trump is being sued for tariff money back because Trump didn't have the authority to pass them? Same thing.

If SCOTUS rules the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to the children of immigrants, there is nothing stopping Trump from saying that's the case for everyone, not just new cases. It would actually be more work to just carve out new cases. Now sure, clawing back shit that shouldn't have been issued to the now non-citizens might take time, but quick changes would be simple shit like altering standards to renew or reissue certain documents. And you can bet your ass red states would follow suit and blue states would be sued to be forced to comply.

You are very confidently wrong.

Also, say for the sake of argument you are right, "they're just drastically increasing the rate our illegal population increases, not drastically increasing our illegal population" is a nonsense correction.

>>1462858
>Until it is.
I can't believe you faggots willingly choose to make shit up when you run out of things to be mad about.
>This isn't a new law.
The U.S. Constitution prohibits applying legal consequences to actions that weren't illegal at the time. Nobody is having their citizenship stripped away as a consequence of this ruling.

>>1462858
Based on how you post, clearly the Mexicans aren't the only ones who need to go back.

>>1462860
>Nobody is having their citizenship stripped away as a consequence of this ruling.
>Retards are actually going to believe this given how much trump and the republicans on the supreme court have whipped their as on the constitution.
ex post facto is out the window.

>>1462862
You labor under the deluded notion that everybody in MAGA is in a cult because you're projecting. You fags use peer pressure and group consensus to form your own opinions all the time, up to and including convincing activist judges to fuck with constitutional law.

>>1462863
But enough about what trump and the republican judges have been doing while you blame everyone else for your own crimes.
We've seen your damage control dance before
>Don't freak out because trump will NEVER EVER do this insane thing
>trump does that insane thing
>Silence from you.

>>1462863
>you labor
so, projecting shill, you really are on the clock

>>1462860
Aren't they literally trying to recall that senator to the navy so they can ex post facto court martial him for saying that soldiers shouldn't follow illegal orders? Maybe the administration should boot whatever retard thought up that idea (and a bunch of others) if they want people to believe they care about the constitution.

>>1462861
>clearly the Mexicans aren't the only ones who need to go back.
Go back where? My closest ancestor to leave the country is fucking 6 generations back and I've got native blood in me just as far back. Hell the country my paternal line is from no longer even fucking exists. How bout you fuck off from my country instead?

>>1462887
He’s accusing you of being reddit due to your spacing. He’s doing this because he can’t actually address your points.

>>1462860
>Regulations on ex post facto laws mean legal rulings can't retroactively change someone's status
Dred Scott v. Sandford

>>1462890
>He’s accusing you of being reddit due to your spacing
lmao, what a newfag.

>>1462891
>Dread Scott, another horrible ruling given to use by conservatives

>>1462891
Fine, you've convinced me. Let's get these beanie babies out of the country.

>>1462778
>>1462781
you only want anchor babies because it encourages the invasion of illegal immigrants who you want to turn into citizens. And you know that anchor babies vote for you more than actual Americans do.
>>1462784
>nooooo you can't just want America to be pro-America!!!!!!!!
>>1462785
because it was and still is a made up hoax. Show me any evidence that Project2025 has any influence as opposed to just being a rightwing group that supports rightwing views.
>>1462858
>If SCOTUS rules the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to the children of immigrants
are you a child or just not American? Nobody is saying the 14th doesn't apply to the children of immigrants. They're saying that birthright citizenship doesn't apply to the children of ILLEGAL immigrants. Amendments are interpreted based on their intent. Do you have any evidence that when the 14th was passed the intention was to allow pregnant invaders to illegally invade the US and give birth to a citizen?

esl shill is fishing for attention again

>>1462893
Yeah, if for some insane reason SCOTUS sides with Trump on this bullshit, I expect that within short order the ruling will be treated as the new Dred Scott, ie one of the worst rulings in American history. I don't actually think they will if they value their reputations at fucking all, but I guess we'll see.

>>1462897
seems reasonable enough to assume that the billionaire cabal in charge is trying to tear america asunder, it's like a slash and burn project with people and institutions instead of trees

>>1462895
>Fascist shill in full damage control

>>1462895
>They're saying that birthright citizenship doesn't apply to the children of ILLEGAL immigrants
Actually the order explicitly applies to the children of legal immigrants too. Also the only legal argument they have couldn't separate legal and illegal immigrants in the first place and involves a deliberate misreading of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

Seriously why are you lying about basic facts?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14160

>Amendments are interpreted based on their intent. Do you have any evidence that when the 14th was passed the intention was to allow pregnant invaders to illegally invade the US and give birth to a citizen?
Do you want the fact that we didn't have immigration controls until 1882, meaning they literally could not have intended to exclude illegal immigrants when they wrote the law because they didn't exist yet?

Or would you prefer a direct quote from one of the drafters saying they only intend to exclude families with diplomatic immunity, a practice which has continued to this day under that exact interpretation?
>Simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.

Feel free to argue
>foreigners, aliens, who
is a list despite that making no grammatical sense. The rest of us know what an appositive is.

>>1462897
Think about it logically instead of just saying orange man bad. The 14th amendment wasn't created to let ever third worlder hop the border and shit out an anchor baby. No other county allows this. It makes no sense to allow illegals to abuse it. It's outdated and needs reform

>>1462895
>illegal immigrants who you want to turn into citizens
Again, there is not a path for illegal immigrants to turn into citizens. It's written in the law that they can't change status while here illegally. That's why DACA folks are so fucked.

You are making up shit to be scared of.

>>1462899
He really is.

>>1462901
>The 14th amendment wasn't created to let ever third worlder hop the border
Again, when the 14th amendment was created, we literally did not have immigration controls.

>No other county allows this.
Virtually every other country in the Western Hemisphere allows this.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Look, I get it, you have literally no fucking idea what you're talking about, but you want to feel like you're a part of the discussion. That's okay. You can do that. Just shut the fuck up and learn first.

>>1462901
If that's your view, we need to overhaul the 2nd amendment since it as designed for well regulated militias only by the founding fathers. Perfect time to start grabbing guns to curb gun violence.

>>1462904
Yep.

>>1462906
hehe gottem

>>1462906
>t since it as designed for well regulated militias only by the founding fathers
That's literally what ICE is

>>1462910
ICE is a gestapo, and not even well regulated. They're the group the founding fathers would be battling.
Also if we follow your twisted logic anyway, if we have ICE, no one else needs guns, time to start grabbing them.

>>1462781
>vote Republican
You mean
>support Israel/kikes

>>1462911
Not really.

>>1462913
Yes really.
Concession accepted

>>1462912
Biden had more kikes in his cabinet than Trump did during his first term
>>1462911
The founders wouldn't allow spending tax payer money to bring millions of third worlders to the US and put them on welfare just to destablize the country's demographics.

>>1462916
>The founders wouldn't allow spending tax payer money to bring millions of third worlders to the US
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

>>1462915
>Concession accepted
lmao not really, fag.

>>1462921
ROLF, yes really cuck. Now get me a hamburger and soda.

>>1462895
>anchor babies because it encourages the invasion of illegal immigrants
The First Whore and Barron. We can start right at the top then.

>>1462895
>because it was and still is a made up hoax. Show me any evidence that Project2025 has any influence as opposed to just being a rightwing group that supports rightwing views.
Well, *Gestures at the entire 2nd Trump Admin literally lining up with their plan almost one-for-one.*

>>1462917
You're trying too hard.

>>1462935
I assure you this thread hasn't required me to try at all.

>>1462895
>actual Americans
You are all immigrants or the children of immigrants, you ignorant selfish retard.

>"All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
-Amendment XIV Section 1.

>A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil (sic) and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution...
- United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Pretty clear trump's scheme is unconstitutional, but then so was his declaration the president is a king who is above the law, and the republican suprreme court rubber stamped that.

>>1462949
I'll do you one better.
>The proposition before us, I will say, Mr. President, relates simply in that respect to the children begotten of Chinese parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens. We have declared that by law; now it is proposed to incorporate the same provision in the fundamental instrument of the nation. I am in favor of doing so. I voted for the proposition to declare that the children of all parentage whatever, born in California, should be regarded and treated as citizens of the United States, entitled to equal civil rights with other citizens of the United States.
This quote is literally fucking from the discussions in Congress regarding the creation of the 14th Amendment. It was from its outset intend to apply to everyone. Not fucking just former slaves. Not fucking just legal immigrants. Fucking everyone.

If SCOTUS were to throw this shit out, it would be a baseless act, and we would be beyond rule of law.

>>1462955
As I said before, if we survive trump, the first thing outside of criminally prosecuting everyone involved in his regime is complete reform of the republican supreme court. Removing overtly corrupt judges like Thomas and Alito, adding seats, term limits where every presidential term 2 judges retire so every president gets to pick 2 justices, could be anything. But the status quo cannot stand where republican rule by decree to keep themselves in power.

>>1462962
Lawfare again?

>>1462966
Buzz buzz

>>1462962
>I just want to limit Democracy so I can win.
You know, nothing says you can Democratically elect whoever you want like making sure you can't Democratically elect whoever you want because you're a butthurt loser.

>>1462968
>prosecute criminals
>remove corrupt judges
>add term limits
>"Y-you just want to limit democracy so you can win!!"
Okay.

>>1462903
>there is not a path for illegal immigrants to turn into citizens
Yeah because thankfully Republicans have enough sanity to fight against the Democrats, who want to turn illegal immigrants into citizens.
https://www.newsweek.com/maxwell-frost-migrants-ice-arrests-2088379

>>1462819
Keep believing that. When people like me start killing people like you, then you will truly get what you wanted.

>>1462966
Why do Republicans always project given that is what trump is doing to the point he's trying to install prosecutors to go after his political enemies and said exactly that?

>>1462903
>there is not a path for illegal immigrants to turn into citizens
There should never be one. They should all be made persona non gratis on a permanent biometric banlist.

>>1462988
>he's trying to install prosecutors to go after his political enemies
Obama did exactly this. All leftists will be sent to concentration camp for liquidation.

>>1462781
It's worse than that, it's going to be an attempt to strip citizenship of anyone guilty of a thought crime.
Think they won't go that far? They already have Flock in place so you can't protest, Real ID laws in place so you can't speak out. Soon they'll have credit card companies on board with freezing assets of anyone who doesn't tongue Israeli balls ten times a day and pray in the direction of Tel Aviv. The constitution is dead. We live in a worse slave state than China right now and it's headed by an orange retard who is going to do everything in his power to rig the next fifty elections to only elect his kin.

>>1462811
>>1462833
You guys intentionally suppress the vote. Election day should be a holiday so we can actually see how every American would vote given the chance. You guys hide behind a system designed to protect you since you are the inherently weaker and less reasonable/educated half of the country.

>>1462988
That's exactly what the Democrats did though

>>1462988
Do you not remember Trump being framed as a foreign agent?
And they tried to impeach him twice?
And then they used a woman who wrote two bestselling rape fantasy books to charge him with rape (civil)?
And then they framed him for mortgage fraud?
And then they began convicting Trump supporters for memes?
I can't imagine being a democrat and thinking that everything happening now is apropos of nothing.

>>1463040
>Trump being framed as a foreign agent?
>"Framed"
Reminder multiple members of his team were convicted for literally being Russian assets

>>1462981
>When people like me start killing people like you
https://i.imgur.com/080vm4E.jpeg

>>1463042
Dunno how true that is, considering they lied to wiretap his entire administration.

>>1463044
Pretty sure its just you lying, shill

>>1462991
>>1463035
>>1463040
>Whatabout
trump was guilty of all of those as well. Fascinating to see the rightoids so weak on crime when it comes from their team.

>>1463044
>Dunno how true that is
Extremely true. Several members of his campaign and inner circle were tried in a court of law and found guilty by a jury of their peers. Roger Stone was literally caught on tape intimidating a witness not to testify against Trump. Paul Manafort was receiving money from Russian oligarchs and not only denied having contact to the FBI but hid the money and failed to declare it. A Russian contact with ties to Putin e-mailed Trump's team asking them to meet specifically because they wanted to share dirt on Hillary Clinton to help him win the election. All of this information is publicly available but you choose to remain ignorant.

>>1463079
Obama's big fuck up was not making it public that trump was conspiring with the Russians given how many ties his campaign and trump himself had.
We'll never know the true extent since trump clearly destroyed all the evidence.

Also, remember the second trump got into office one of the first things he attempted to do was go to the Russian embassy to create a secret line of communication that couldn't be monitored by anyone in the US government? Or how he would personally seize and destroy the notes by any translator he had with him while meeting with Putin?
Yeah, why would anyone who's not a Russian agent do that?

>>1463082
I think its much less conspiratorial than that. The Mueller report clearly shows a systematic attempt at obstructing the investigation and that Trump was willing to conspire with whoever he needed to in order to gain power. Trump's administration is nowhere near competent or organized enough to accomplish anything as nefarious as a secret cooperation with Russia. Putin flatters Trump and appeals to his ego and Trump turns to putty in his hands. I mean, its worked out beautifully for Putin. He has Trump's own "special envoy" which is actually just one of his real estate buddies handing over Russian created ceasefire plans to Ukraine. He has the president of the U.S. doing his bidding. It also must be coincidence that the party of law and order has pardoned more felons in the past year than every Democrat president of the last 20 combined - most of them having personal ties to Trump and his business empire. Being a Trump supporter or conservative at this point in history means you've completely lost your moral compass and ability to discern fact from delusion.

>>1463079
>Paul Manafort was receiving money from Russian oligarchs and not only denied having contact to the FBI but hid the money and failed to declare it.
Leftoids tried to do this shit to Tim Pool. It's not proof of anything.

>>1463086
Yes, the motive was trump will conspire with anyone who helps him win, so he conspired with the Russians. But Putin clearly had something over trump since why would trump go to such great lengths to cover up all his communications?

>>1463087
Sure Anon it's totally normal that Manafort was the Russian puppet president of Ukraine's media advisor

>>1463090
>puppet
US intelligence literally put that meeting together.

>>1462916
How many Jewish family members does Biden have? Imagine believing Trumps cabinet matters when he sends WITKOFF and KUSHNER to do his bidding instead. LMAO

>>1463087
>Leftoids tried to do this shit to Tim Pool
A few things, Tim Pool is a podcaster, not an active member of government. A podcaster accepting foreign money isn't against the law. Secondly, nobody did anything to Tim Pool. Tim Pool, of his own volition, accepted an exorbitant amount of money per episode to put out Russian propaganda. He did this without anybody's help or insistence.

>It's not proof of anything.
Well, its against the law. Its okay to admit you don't care about breaking the law so long as its your side that's doing it. The party of law and order, by the way, pardoning dozens of white collar felons convicted of fraud, bribery, and corruption. The party of law and order, pardoning hundreds of violent felons from January 6th, many of whom had long criminal records including domestic violence, assault and sex crimes against children. Say what you want, anon, just don't pretend like you give any fucks about law and order. You clearly don't.

>>1463092
Yanukovich lives in Russia now because he was always a Russian.

>>1463098
>A podcaster accepting foreign money isn't against the law.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/well-known-right-wing-influencers-duped-to-work-for-covert-russian-operation-u-s-prosecutors-say
>Well, its against the law.
I mean an accusation isn't proof of anything. Otherwise all of you would be accepting the premise that bombing 'fishing boats' is fine.

>>1462895
>asks for evidence
>gets it
>refuses to respond
Bitch

>>1463104
Good post

>>1463104
And this is why we need actual liberals, not the limp dick right wingers like Biden who just let foreign agents like Tim Bald off the hook.
If you have a chance to dismantle the enemy's propaganda apparatus, you take it.

I just found a real gem from the citizenship debate in the Senate when the 14th was going through.
>Here is a simple declaration that a score or a few score of human beings born in the United States shall be regarded as citizens of the United States, entitled to civil rights, to the right of equal defense, to the right of equal punishment for crime with other citizens; and that such a provision should be deprecated by any person having or claiming to have a high humanity passes all my understanding and comprehension.

tl;dr The good Senator from California legit called people against birthright citizenship dishonest subhumans, lmao.

>>1463182
He also made a point to bring up cracking down on the immigrant population had allowed bandits that preyed upon them to flourish and had been a massive mistake for California which means right wingers have been refusing to learn obvious lessons about immigration enforcement for literally as long as we've had immigration enforcement. Like holy fuck!

>>1462776
We really just need to send anyone whose ancestors came from anywhere South of Texas back, regardless of legal status, standing, or the Constitution. Simple as.

>>1463184
I feel like the Hawaiians might pose a problem there, dipshit.

>>1463185
It would be better to just deport all conservatives to Russia.

>>1463185
Not really.

>>1463182
He was 100% correct.
France for the french, Ireland for the irish, America for the Americans.

>>1463241
So all white people are to be deported and full control to the native Americans and those they allow to stay?
Okay.

>>1463283
they didnt create the USA whites did indian-americans are immigrants to the USA and natives to the dakota nation or whatever

>>1463287
>Moving the goalposts
America is still rightful native American clay

>>1463283
I said America, not non-existent indian tribes.

>>1463283
>native American
You'll never be one.

Oh no!!! The democrats might lose their slaves. Oh whatever shall they do?????