Obama's plaque ends with a more false claims that he "spied on the 2016 Presidential Campaign of Donald J. Trump, and presided over the creation of the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, the worst political scandal in American History."

The plaques also make two references to Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of State and the 2016 Democratic nominee who lost to Trump. Under Obama's portrait, it says that Hillary Clinton was his "handpicked successor," and noted that she "would then lose the Presidency to Donald J. Trump." Under Bill Clinton's portrait, it says that "President Clinton's wife, Hillary, lost the Presidency to President Donald J. Trump."

Obama had no comment about the plaque. ABC News did not receive immediate responses from Biden and the Clintons for comment.

Many of the plaques were "written directly by the President himself," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement about the new decor.

"The plaques are eloquently written descriptions of each President and the legacy they left behind. As a student of history, many were written directly by the President himself," Leavitt said in the statement.

Trump had teased these bronze plaques during an interview with Fox's Laura Ingraham in November, saying that each would describe what the respective president did during his tenure.

In addition to the changes he has made to the colonnade, Trump has also altered the White House by paving over the Rose Garden, renovating White House Palm Room that was originally designed by former first lady Jackie Kennedy and connects the front of the White House to the Rose Garden in the back and redesigning the Oval Office. He has added statues around the Rose Garden and added ample gold leafing and decor to the Oval Office.

Most notably, Trump tore down the East Wing of the White House earlier this year, making room for a sweeping, multimillion-dollar ballroom that the president has said will be completed by the end of his term.

>>1466613
lmao

>>1466613
Thank God President Trump continues to be laser focused on the issues that effect every day Americans

>>1466613
I love this man.

>>1466613
Biden and Obama need to start paying rent for all this headspace they’re taking

The best way to troll trump assuming he doesn't destroy America first, is to just destroy his official presidential portrait and level the epstine ballroom.

>>1466640
>and level the epstine ballroom.
>TDS is so strong dems will delete millions of dollars just to spite him
At least those plaques only cost $50 at most.

>>1466613
Nice!
The plaque actually reads as if the inscription was dictated personally by DJT himself.

>>1466640
The best way to troll Trump would be to convict him for sex crimes and let him spend the remainder of his life tweeting behind bars

>>1466613
Everything in these plaques is true.
>His Afghanistan Disaster was among the most humiliating events in American History, and resulted in the murder of 13 brave American Servicemembers, with many others gravely wounded.
He forgot to add "BY THE ISIS BOMBER HE LET OUT OF PRISON!"

>>1466646
How brainwashed are you?

>>1466613
TDS = Trump Delusion Syndrome
Trumps Stroke = The biggliest doctors have ever seen!
Trumps Recession™®© = just getting started

>>1466613
How is it possible for one man to be this pathetic?

>>1466647
Who abandoned Bagram?

>>1466643
>TDS
Why do Republicans hate The Daily Show?

>>1466661
Did you want US troops to still be there?

>>1466613
we all know trump and obama are best buds though, we saw them together at jimmy carter's funeral.

they're just playing the masses for fun.

>>1466663
As opposed to Kabul, yeah. The original plan left by Trump was to evac out of their - the only fucking airbase in the whole goddamn miserable country that could support C-5 galaxies and WASN'T IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING CITY!

So... Who ordered Bagram to be evacuated? Try to answer the question this time.

>>1466667
Trump didn't have a plan.

>>1466669
Who ordered Bagram to be evacuated? Try to answer the question this time.

>>1466670
Biden ordered all of Afghanistan to be evacuated because we had been there for 20 fucking years. Trump didn't do shit while he was president.

>>1466662
No no no TDS stands for Tranny Derangement Syndrome.

>>1466671
>Biden ordered all of Afghanistan to be evacuated
Oh so it's his fault then

>>1466671
Let me try speaking in reddit:

Who

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Ordered

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Bagram

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To

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Be

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Evacuated?

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>>1466672
I mean conservatives are obsessed with trans people to an unhealthy degree.

>>1466676
local shill literally has a live goon session every time they find an article thats both all about trans women and anti-democrat

God, his grave is going to make an excellent public bathroom. They're gonna need to fence that shit in like those statues everyone spits on in China.

>>1466643
>Assuming the money sink will actually be finished by the time he leaves office
Also rich to say then when his Ballroom is already a random multi-million addition that isn't needed.

>>1466674
>>1466675
The fact that you still want troops there today is hilarious.

>>1466680
>strawman

>>1466613
It's inappropriate for a sitting President to do this, but it's also fucking funny.

>>1466684
It'd be funnier if he wasn't also destroying the country.

>>1466682
What strawman?

>>1466613
Well, they'll only stay there as long as you do, Trump.
That which is gaudy, cheap & trashy can be removed from the White House and all the gold decorations

>>1466684
It’s honestly just a symptom of how rotten American politicians are. You’ve got people like Trump on one side who are truly retarded and shouldn’t be allowed to run a bath let alone an entire country and on the other side someone like Biden whose brain is the consistency of mashed potatoes yet his party (likely out of some retarded pride) waited way too long to remove his wrinkly ass from presidential running
America is fucked man

>>1466686
>The fact that you still want troops there today is hilarious.
>What strawman?
Retarded leftists in this thread are incapable of answering my question, because then they'd have to admit how much of a complete fuckup Biden was. They WILL NOT answer it because they're trapped.

>>1466691
are you whining about how nobody is taking you seriously again esl shill? aww

>Russian shill still trying to force the 'leftist' meme
He's that desperate.

>>1466687
All the next president needs to do is invoke the Emoluments Clause and seize every cent trump got during his presidency and then put it into the White House Restoration Project where all of trump's alterations are torn down and pre trump buildings are resorted, like the east wing and the Rose Garden.

>>1466684
Yeah it's honestly pretty great

>>1466691
What kind of moron still wants troops in Afghanistan? You must be the 0.1% of the 0.1%.

>>1466697
Keep trying to strawman some shit I never said, monkey.

Obama did 9/11

>>1466700
>monke
you really are just a projecting esl shill aren't you

>>1466700
Honestly just stop engaging with him when he goes off his meds like this he just acts like a child and fails to engage in any decent discussion.

Bonus, when you start to ignore him when he's having a schizophrenic break like this, his melty gets like 10 times more epic

>>1466689
>Biden.

No, on the other side you had Harris.

>>1466703
you know it's extremely obvious when you pretend to be multiple people like this, right? you need a new shill playbook, methinks

>>1466685
>>1466689
If he's the only President who will be serious about deportations and try to re-establish traditional American culture, I'll take the bad with it. The other options are just bad all around with no redeeming part

>>1466706
you're still not american

>>1466706
>sure he’s lowered the bar for what is acceptable for how the POTUS should behave and made a mockery of the office and the country it represents
>sure he’s enriching his close friends and family, shits all over his allies, crashes the economy with no survivors and has numerous links to a high profile pedophile
>but he’s subverting the law to deport people and some of these oogaboogas are here illegally and that’s all I care about
You’re the embodiment of cutting off your nose to spite your face

>>1466706
>re-establish traditional American culture
With him this means Gilded Age. Yeah, let's not consider worker or consumer or environmental protections as good or redeeming.

>>1466705
He can't help it. He knows there aren't any other chuds as far gone as him here.

>>1466710
>chuds

>>1466708
>>sure he’s lowered the bar for what is acceptable for how the POTUS should behave and made a mockery of the office and the country it represents
>>sure he’s enriching his close friends and family, shits all over his allies, crashes the economy with no survivors and has numerous links to a high profile pedophile
Biden?

>>1466715
>Biden accepted a multi-million dollar bribe from the Middle East
>Biden paid himself out from his own DOJ
>Biden ruined our relations with several of our top allies overnight
>Biden spent half his time making petty jabs at the other party instead of actually governing
>Biden used his position to push crypto rugpulls

>>1466708
The bar of American society has gotten low enough, he's at least reversing some of the trends. Yeah as a politican, he's rough and oafish, but frankly if it's him or a Jamaican-Indian woman as the head of the American nation, I'll stick with the childish guy who's out of touch with the norms enough to get things done.
>You’re the embodiment of cutting off your nose to spite your face
If I had to make a more accurate analogy from this, I think it's more like taking a skin graft from your leg to restore your face, versus ripping all the skin off your face and letting that just be your new face

>>1466716
You mean a multi billion dollar bribe in exchange for stolen nuclear secrets.

>>1466717
>he's at least reversing some of the trends
lmao no he's not. All he's doing is eroding America's position on the world stage AND the lives of the average American citizen. He torched the entire farm industry and his only response to them being mad at him for it was to call them ungrateful. He literally reversed some of our most long-term alliances overnight. And lets not get into his abysmal job rates that are on par with damage from a global pandemic.

>>1466717
What trends is he reversing? There’s more wrong with America than dirty hippies protecting illegal aliens or Biden having dementia.

>>1466720
>All he's doing is eroding America's position on the world stage
What Biden did.
>AND the lives of the average American citizen.
Also what Biden did.

>>1466721
>What trends is he reversing?
NTA, attacking domestic oil production after threatening to end all fossil fuel companies while we were still trying to recover economically from a pandemic for one.

>>1466722
god you're such an obvious russia shill

>>1466717
What fucking trends? Everything is getting worse, he's not getting a fucking thing done. Nothing good, at least.

>>1466723
honest question but is this the same domestic oil production that was managed with environmental considerations and replaced “drill baby drill” and “beautiful clean coal”? Did oil producers even ask for this?

>>1466725
The fact that 'whatabout' is his only defense for trump didn't tip you off?

>>1466726
>I can now buy a suppressed SBR with an FRT trigger and pay $0 for the tax stamp
>Nothing good, at least.
LMAO

>>1466722
>Biden singlehandedly turned Canada from one of our closest allies to someone who keeps us at arms length and is actively trying to cut off relations with us
>Biden caused the entire farming industry to commit suicide overnight
>Biden literally had to start hiding job numbers because they were so dogshit and there wasn't even a worldwide pandemic to justify them

>>1466729
it's cute that you think pretending to be a gun owner makes you seem more american

>>1466729
>These are what matters to anon instead of the price of groceries

>>1466720
>eroding America's position on the world stage
The world sees us as something to exploit like the Scramble for Africa. He's been working to re-establish some sense of peoplehood in the US and remind the world that the US isn't an open market, it's a home with a people and a history. I would not get that with most Presidential candidates, especially Democrats.

>>1466727
>kills the Keystone XL project
>halts development in Alaska
>tries to halt in the Gulf of Mex - I mean America, until a judge slaps him
>halts new leases on public lands
>increased taxes, royalties and fees on production
>increased EPA restrictions
>bans oil trade with Russia (don't care why, he still did this)
>rejoins Paris agreement
>funneled money into green energy deals that went nowhere
>realized he fucked up, begs OPEC for more oil, they laugh at him, goes back to oil companies he promised to get rid of and begs them to produce now that gas is $5+ a gallon in exchange for walking back some of his EOs

See here's the difference between my president and yours: Your guy fucks over the entire nation to push green energy and then has to crawl back to them like a cuck when things start looking bad. My guy says fuck green energy, "Drill baby, drill!" and then because that's not enough he also steals oil tankers from Venezuela.

We are not the same.

>>1466734
The US owned the world and Trump threw it away because he somehow wanted more. We command less than half of the respect we did before we put Trump into power and our allies are pivoting to fucking China because we became unreliable.

>>1466733
Oh you mean the price of groceries that are down from when Biden was in office, that you tried to gaslight us about back in March? Those groceries? lol

>>1466737
we do not share your delusion shill anon, sorry

>>1466713
(You)

>>1466734
How do you people so consistently get things not just wrong, but completely opposite of the truth?

>>1466736
>The US owned the world
Yeah, when it had a strong national culture. That's been eroding for a long time while other countries are growing stronger.

>>1466743
Hard work and dedication.

>>1466744
da comrade

>>1466706
The part of traditional American culture that was actually good had a greater than 90% wealth tax at the top bracket and a huge corporate tax rate to go with it.

Sleep Joe? Somebody wake up Trump so we can all laugh

Obama Delusion Syndrome

>>1466754
Get our demographic situation back in order and you might see that again

>>1466761
>our
LOL

>>1466763
Okay, then you'll see the US turn into Mexico or India

>>1466766
do you get paid kash, shill

>>1466761
Other way around, the demographics are fucked because the rich and corporate were given huge breaks and allowed to buy politicians who then let them import infinite cheap labor. They're still doing it with their push for as many H1Bs as they can get away with (which will be a lot due to owning the government). Nothing will improve as long as the main incentive of the government is to serve the rich.

>>1466770
Alright, and in the meantime I'm voting for the guy who's doing whatever it takes to get rid of tens of millions of random foreigners that broke into my country and who protects statues and monuments to our country's great men

>>1466772
>but it was da foreigners!
Imagine falling for this

>>1466613
>.jpg

how low effort.

>>1466772
>Guys who cares if my grocery bill is 3x the price it was last year
>The president stopped a statue of a traitorous loser from being toppled and I can pretend the minorities I see every day are gonna be deported soon
>This helps my life so much more than being able to afford food and having a decently paying job

>>1466778
I'll take onions being an extra 5 cents and keep my country

>>1466779
>Hmmm I love being priced out of healthcare and food
>Thank god we did this otherwise we would've lost this country
You will own nothing and be miserable lmao.

>>1466779
>picks lowest tier grocery product people buy singular once a week

>>1466782
Things were cheaper before this demographic change, and I don't think further demographic shifts will turn me into a millionaire. I'd like what the rest of the world takes for granted, that their country is their country and reflects their own people and culture. It was working pretty well before, wasn't it? You said it yourself

>>1466785
>Things were cheaper before this demographic change
Inflation has literally jack shit to do with immigration, you inbred garden gnome.

>https://advisor.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Miam-34-100-Year-Inflation-History-Shareable-2.jpg
>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Immigration_to_the_United_States_over_time_by_region.svg

>>1466787
Inflation is correlated with the deficit, which is created by funding our extensive social programs.
Did you really think that somalis committing medicaid fraud to the tune of billions of dollars didn't have an impact on inflation? Retard.

>>1466788
>Guys it was entirely those darn dirty somalis driving up the deficit
>Ignore the 2 trillion added by Trump

>>1466785
>It was working pretty well before, wasn't it?
Before what? Point to a specific time period and change. In my experience, jackasses waxing poetic about the past are either referring to the 1980s and ignoring the murder rate was like 3 times higher back then or the 1950s and ignoring shit was literally only good for white men and in large part only because the feds were spending a metric fuckton building up the country so all the PTSD-riddled vets had dirt cheap housing and college and jobs everywhere so they wouldn't riot and burn down the country.

And either way the jackass waxing poetic usually didn't actually live through that bullshit as an adult.

>>1466788
>Did you really think that somalis committing medicaid fraud to the tune of billions of dollars didn't have an impact on inflation?
No. Did you miss the reporting that they sent most of that cash back home?

How the fuck is cash floating around Somalia supposed to make shit more expensive in the US? Use your brain, dipshit.

>>1466790
> the 1950s and ignoring shit was literally only good for white men
I'm a white man. You're trying to tell me I should want things to be worse for myself like that's not even of concern.

>>1466793
>in large part only because the feds were spending a metric fuckton building up the country so all the PTSD-riddled vets had dirt cheap housing and college and jobs everywhere so they wouldn't riot and burn down the country.
Did you miss the other half of the sentence anon?

>>1466788
>Inflation is correlated with the deficit
Which is not correlated with immigration. Glad we sorted that bullshit out.

>>1466793
>I'm a white man. You're trying to tell me I should want things to be worse for myself like that's not even of concern.
I'm trying to tell you you're a cocksucking dipshit blaming immigrants for shit not being as good for you as when there was massive investment in public works and union activity was several times higher than it is today as if they have literally any connection to that shit.

Shit doesn't suck because we let brown people in. Shit sucks because Republicans have spent the past 60 years arguing less government and less unions will make everyone richer only for the only thing to come of that bullshit being an explosion of income inequality.

The shit that made life good for literally anyone in the 50s wasn't the lack of immigrants you fucking dumbass.

>>1466613
What exactly makes Obama "one of the most divisive political figures in American History" according to Trump? Besides just being black.

>>1466793
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal-Aid_Highway_Act_of_1956
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill
READ YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER

>>1466646
>Everything in these plaques is true.
Well shit why hasn't Trump thrown Obama in prison now for spying on his campain? Instead he keeps failing to indict his political enemies like Comey and Bolton.

>>1466797
Are you new? That's been a republican meme for 10 years at least.

>>1466731
Canada was always are enemies. They are sending fentanyl across the border. Trump is right to say that we will conquer them by force if necessary to secure our borders!

>>1466792
>How the fuck is cash floating around Somalia supposed to make shit more expensive in the US?
Do US dollars not exist outside of America? Do you even know what inflation is?
Again: you're retarded.

>>1466796
>Shit doesn't suck because we let brown people in.
It continues to be a problem in many ways, with assimilation being impossible, resulting in today's "multiculturalism" that's defined by waves of social movements on behalf of different ethnic groups vying for control of government and creating growing pockets in American culture that undermine a cohesive national identity, which among many things is spiritually unfulfilling.
>Shit sucks because Republicans have spent the past 60 years arguing less government and less unions will make everyone richer only for the only thing to come of that bullshit being an explosion of income inequality.
"Income inequality" frankly doesn't matter, and the country was founded on the principle of a small government.

>>1466807
>"Income inequality" frankly doesn't matter
>THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY WILL GET POORER AND POORER AND THE RICH WILL GET RICHER AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

>>1466793
If you don't want to go back to the record high wealth and corporate taxes that enabled the 50s to be good for anyone at all, then you're actually supporting a return to the gilded age where only the already wealthy benefited, but now featuring an infinite number of new foreigners with H1B visas to replace the old foreigners with a variety of expired visas.

>>1466808
Other people becoming richer does not make you any worse off.
Jeff Bezos making another billion dollars does not "fuck" you.

>>1466811
Jeff Bezos gets a billion dollars by taking more of what his employees earn while keeping their own wages stagnant. He then hoards it like a dragon and prevents it from flowing back into the economy via taxes or spending. It absolutely fucks the country over.

>>1466812
> by taking more of what his employees earn while keeping their own wages stagnant
His employees who earn a relatively high wage with a ton of benefits even for skill-free labor.
>He then hoards it like a dragon and prevents it from flowing back into the economy
The money is invested in many things which are part of the country, not least of all in his own company, which expands and creates more jobs, and drives more sales for many businesses including independent businesses. You are not fucked if he can afford a private island and you can't.

>>1466812
>He then hoards it like a dragon and prevents it from flowing back into the economy via taxes or spending
He makes a living by taking out loans against the value of the companies he owns. And when he runs out of money, he just takes out another loan.
If you took all of his assets, liquidated them, and divided them equally amongst all American citizens, each one would only get 647~ dollars.

>>1466813
>His employees who earn a relatively high wage with a ton of benefits even for skill-free labor.
...With stagnant wages. Meaning the amount of value each one contributes is inevitably disproportionate in Bezos' favor to how much they get paid until they're in the upmost echelons of the company.
>The money is invested in many things which are part of the country, not least of all in his own company, which expands and creates more jobs, and drives more sales for many businesses including independent businesses.
Nowhere near as much as he takes for himself retard. You really will complain Somalis sending money back home but see no issue with a billionare putting billions in value in what amounts to a bottomless black hole that isn't taxed nor spent. It's tooooootally different.

>>1466797
>"If I had a son he would look just like Trayvon."

>>1466814
You're thinking of musk.

>>1466807
>"Income inequality" frankly doesn't matter
You. Were. Complaining. About. Inflation.

>Other people becoming richer does not make you any worse off.
Other people becoming richer literally does make you worse off. If a company can sell 10 copies of a good for $50 or 1 copy for $1000, they will do the latter. The greater income inequality there is, the more likely you are to be priced out of goods and services by artificial scarcity.

And this is setting aside the fact that the rich getting richer also means they gain more political power, which lets them fuck us all in the ass. Not to mention letting the rich get richer means you're missing out on tax revenue which means more printing which means MORE FUCKING INFLATION.

>It continues to be a problem in many ways, with assimilation being impossible, resulting in today's "multiculturalism" that's defined by waves of social movements on behalf of different ethnic groups vying for control of government and creating growing pockets in American culture that undermine a cohesive national identity, which among many things is spiritually unfulfilling.
God, I hate dumbasses like you. If you just hate Black and brown people, just say you hate Black and brown people and you don't care how much damage is done to white people to hurt them. Quit making dumbass, easily debunked, economic and political arguments.

>>1466815
> the amount of value each one contributes is inevitably disproportionate in Bezos' favor
>Nowhere near as much as he takes for himself
That doesn't matter, though. The guy created the company, many people work for the company and enjoy a fairly comfortable life as a result, and he of course makes out the best. You don't seem to be arguing that someone's getting screwed, you're arguing that there's a guy who has it too good. Maybe relative to him, they're "poor" and maybe he could pay every doorman $100/h if he felt like it, but that's not the same as being screwed.
>>1466818
>If a company can sell 10 copies of a good for $50 or 1 copy for $1000, they will do the latter. The greater income inequality there is, the more likely you are to be priced out of goods and services by artificial scarcity
If they could do better with the latter, there'd need to be an awful lot of rich people around proportionately, and that opens a market niche for a more affordable good.

>>1466818
>which means MORE FUCKING INFLATION.
Oh now we care about that? I remember it spiking under Biden and being told
>Noooo the economy is going great! You're just too stupid to understand how inflation works!

>>1466817
No, Bezos has a net worth of 220 billion.

>>1466814
>Somalis ripping off $250 million is why we have rampant inflation! Kick them all out!
>What would taxing Bezo's $235.2 billion do to impact inflation?
So you just ate a fuckton of lead paint chips as a child, right?

>>1466819
>That doesn't matter, though. The guy created the company, many people work for the company and enjoy a fairly comfortable life as a result, and he of course makes out the best. You don't seem to be arguing that someone's getting screwed, you're arguing that there's a guy who has it too good. Maybe relative to him, they're "poor" and maybe he could pay every doorman $100/h if he felt like it, but that's not the same as being screwed.
He is literally making more money and not increasing the wage of his workers. It is an economic black hole when shitheads like Bezos increase prices and then keep pay stagnant; it is inherently unsustainable and done entirely for his own benefit to the detriment of the population. The entire current situation with wage stagnation is entirely caused by shit like this.

>If they could do better with the latter, there'd need to be an awful lot of rich people around proportionately, and that opens a market niche for a more affordable good.
You are genuinely retarded.

>>1466820
>Local anon forgets about covid
Many such cases. The brainfog and all that are terrible.

>>1466613
Holy fuck lmao
It's a little based to be so threatened by two dinosaurs but also cringe to have them live rent-free like this.

>>1466822
Those somali's were taking actual cash by pretending to have autistic children.. Bezos' net worth is in assets.
You are fucking stupid and need to be deported.

>>1466826
Different method, same outcome; money goes out of the US market and doesn't fucking come back.

>>1466819
>and that opens a market niche for a more affordable good.
Do you know what a patent is? How about a trade secret?

>there'd need to be an awful lot of rich people around proportionately
Or a lot of banks willing to offer people loans.

>>1466824
>all of Biden's decisions get hand-waved because muh covid
Many such cases.

>>1466829
>If I just ignore the sheer damage COVID did to the economy world wide, I can pretend the numbers that came from the height of it were all Biden's fault

>>1466820
You are demonstrating in this fucking thread you're too stupid to understand how inflation works, yes. It spiked globally during COVID. That had jack shit to do with Biden. Hell, America recovered FASTER under Biden than most advanced economies.

>>1466823
>He is literally making more money and not increasing the wage of his workers. It is an economic black hole
The fact that Amazon itself has grown and expanded its offerings and infrastructure alone refutes this. They money doesn't disappear, it's invested and affects the world around you.
>You are genuinely retarded.
Is what I said wrong? Different companies offer competing goods and services at differing price points to capitalize on markets.
>>1466818
>If you just hate Black and brown people, just say you hate Black and brown people and you don't care how much damage is done to white people to hurt them. Quit making dumbass, easily debunked, economic and political arguments.
The social aspect was the main thing I was arguing as most important to me and you ducked out of that in favor of an economic argument, and now you're mad that your economic argument doesn't work either
>>1466828
What are you talking about then? Someone will take out a patent on potatoes and charge $1000 a spud so that you can't afford to eat?

>>1466826
>Those somali's were taking actual cash by pretending to have autistic children
And Bezos is having illegals piss in bottles for slave wages. What is your point?
>Bezos' net worth is in assets.
So he's clearly not paying enough property tax. Again, what is your fucking point?
>You are fucking stupid and need to be deported.
Motherfucker, you think up is your other left and rain comes from pixie tears.

>>1466832
>They money doesn't disappear, it's invested and affects the world around you.
if that was the case Bezos wouldn't be a billionaire.
>Is what I said wrong? Different companies offer competing goods and services at differing price points to capitalize on markets.
>What are you talking about then? Someone will take out a patent on potatoes and charge $1000 a spud so that you can't afford to eat?
What is a Monopoly for 500 alex?

>>1466832
>The social aspect was the main thing I was arguing as most important to me
No. It wasn't.
>>1466785
>Things were cheaper before this demographic change
You're a dishonest sack of shit.

>>1466830
>all of Biden's decisions after covid was done - while we were in the recovery phase of covid - with get hand-waved because muh covid
Many. Such. Cases.

>>1466831
Care to explain how fucking our oil helped the economy? Or any of the other dumb decisions Biden made?

>>1466832
>potatoes are the only thing people spend money on

>>1466836
>Care to explain how fucking our oil helped the economy?
Oil production increased under Biden.

Care to explain how cracking down on green energy and trying to ban new wind farm developments helps our economy?

Shut your dumbass cumvacuum. These aren't even interesting lies. You're just spouting bullshit anyone with 5 seconds on google could disprove.

>>1466833
>What is your point?
That you're a fucking idiot and need to be deported.
We could save more on the deficit each year if we removed every Somali from the country. Instead you want to steal the wealth from a guy who is responsible for roughly one third of all internet commerce in America.

>>1466826
>>1466822
>>1466814
>>1466827
>>1466834
Inflation is such a hilarious lie at this point. Jerome JUST announced last week that he's going to print 10 billion every month in QE until it reaches 45 billion in short-term bill purchases, all the while saying this will have negligible impact on inflation, and you niggers are arguing about the financial impact of $250 million or even an equally taxed amount of $250 billion.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-could-surprise-market-with-t-bill-buying-binge-2025-12-09/

Clearly, Taxes don't matter because if the government needs money, they can just print an infinite supply and Inflation will never increase by their own admission, and $250 million doesn't matter because the government can print that much for every person in the USA and still not encounter any inflation by their own definition. This entire thing is a scam up to and including taxes, handouts, and even price increases. Literally none of it matters, it's being determined artificially by committee, and they're the ones who decide if Potatoes are $1000 a spud or $1.50. The difference percentage-wise between those two is less than the difference between one month of QE by our sham retard government pumping itself so it can pretend to have an economy.

So stop pretending any of this matters.

>>1466834
>if that was the case Bezos wouldn't be a billionaire.
He's a billionaire in that his net worth, which is made up of the value of the things that he owns, which, as Amazon for example, affect countless other people and industries
>What is a Monopoly for 500 alex?
I was being silly about it. You think that's what will happen with food if Jeff Bezos makes more money? Otherwise what? Again, what are you talking about here?
>>1466835
>No. It wasn't.
Oh yes it was. It was the first thing I said, and what I rolled with until you tried to turn the argument into something else
>>1466706
YOU brought up inflation and economics in general and I followed through to see where your argument would go and then you gave up on that too because I didn't accept at face value that some people being richer than others means the person with less money is inherently fucked as a result

>>1466838
>Oil production increased under Biden.
Oh I knew this bullshit line was coming!
>w-well achktchually Biden produced moar
No, Biden eventually got us back on the trend we were already on before covid hit - AFTER he dropped a lot of his bullshit EOs because gas was over 5 a gallon and the economy was going to shit to everyone except rich left-wing bobbleheads like Bill Maher. Do me a favor and go look at a line graph for exports over the last 10 years. Let me know if you notice something.

>Care to explain how cracking down on green energy and trying to ban new wind farm developments helps our economy?
Because they don't fucking work? The largest wind farm in America is the Palo Alto farm in SoCal. It cost billions to make, millions to maintain, doesn't do shit for ecology, and produces less than half the energy of a shitty coal plant built in the 70s. California still remains the largest importer of energy, borrowing from Arizona, Nevada, etc.

>Shut your dumbass cumvacuum. These aren't even interesting lies. You're just spouting bullshit anyone with 5 seconds on google could disprove.
LMAO well you're on the clock sweetheart. Get to work.

>>1466839
>We could save more on the deficit each year if we removed every Somali from the country. Instead you want to steal the wealth from a guy who is responsible for roughly one third of all internet commerce in America.
It's called taxation. It's how our government is funded. You talk like you never got a 9th grade education.

And Amazon has 1,556,000 employees, not to mention god knows how many merchants that use the service and suppliers for those merchants. Quit treating billionaires like gods.

As for removing Somalis to lower the deficit, you're a fuckwit. And you don't care about the deficit. Please just stop making bullshit economic arguments you neither believe nor care about.

Besides, if we're going to ruin people's lives to lower the deficit, it would obviously be better to start with you, not Somalis.

>>1466842
>No, Biden eventually got us back on the trend we were already on before covid hit
And you're bitching because?

>The largest wind farm in America is the Palo Alto farm in SoCal
1. There is not a wind farm in Palo Alto
2. Palo Alto is not in SoCal
3. How much wind farms cost to build and maintain do not matter if they're turning a profit, a thing coal doesn't do.
4. Wind farms don't cause acid rain
5. The largest wind farm in America is the Mojave Wind Farm in Tehachapi Pass in SoCal and it ranks among the 100 most productive power plants in the country despite only being half complete (construction literally only started in 2010) whereas many other plants have been continuously expanded for decades. 600 god damn windmills is all it takes to best some of the largest coal plants in the country.

Anyway, since you're just making up complete nonsense now, I have to assume you're either a bot or using AI to respond to me, so I accept your concession.

>>1466845
>And you're bitching because?
Because he fucked our economy harder during our recovery phased and pushed us back an extra few year.

>There is not a wind farm in Palo Alto
Yeah you're right about that. I fucked up the name. It's the Alta wind farm in Kern county.

>How much wind farms cost to build and maintain do not matter if they're turning a profit, a thing coal doesn't do.
The point that you missed because you're a fucking retard is that it's not meeting the energy demands of Los Angeles, let alone the rest of the fucking state. The better idea would've been nuclear energy - but since that's not green energy you're going to keep throwing money away at wind farms that don't provide enough.
Also if they're turning a profit? For who? Do you have any idea how expensive electricity is in California compared to the rest of the country?

>and it ranks among the 100 most productive power plants in the country
How much energy does it produce again? 1,550 MW? Now look up the top five coal plants in the USA. How do they compare? How much energy do they produce (more than double)? How much did they cost to build? How much do they cost to maintain? How much land do they need to operate?

>>1466613
Why is that kinda fire tho? ngl it goes hard

>>1466846
>The point that you missed because you're a fucking retard is that it's not meeting the energy demands of Los Angeles, let alone the rest of the fucking state
>wind power is bad because a single half-built wind farm isn't powering all of CALIFORNIA
No, but seriously, you confused paint chips with potato chips, didn't you?

>How much energy does it produce again? 1,550 MW? Now look up the top five coal plants in the USA. How do they compare? How much energy do they produce (more than double)?
And when were they built and how many times have they been expanded? It's like this is a new, half-finished plant or something.
>How much did they cost to build? How much do they cost to maintain?
How much do they cost to fuel? Last I checked wind is officially more cost-efficient than coal. There's a reason that shit's dying. Hauling rock out of the ground and to a power plant isn't cheap.
>How much land do they need to operate?
It's in a fucking desert. Meanwhile everywhere around me is full of old strip mines.

>>1466846
>How much energy does it produce again? 1,550 MW? Now look up the top five coal plants in the USA. How do they compare? How much energy do they produce (more than double)? How much did they cost to build? How much do they cost to maintain? How much land do they need to operate?
3000 actually. Which means it actually only ranks slightly lower than the biggest coal plants in the US (they average around 3500 mw) with the added benefit of the fact that it requires much less black lung and isn't vulnerable to coal shortages and supply line issues. So it actually seems like a pretty good alternative all things considered.

>>1466849
>isn't vulnerable to coal shortages
No, just wind shortages which happen much more frequently

>>1466850
Wind comes back, coal doesn't.

>>1466848
>It's in a fucking desert. Meanwhile everywhere around me is full of old strip mines.
NTA it being in a desert makes it HARDER To operate these plants, not easier. Deserts are not known for being stable environments that are friendly to sensitive equipment.

>>1466852
You're missing the point. Them being in a desert means they can make use of space that would otherwise be fucking useless.

>>1466848
>No, but seriously, you confused paint chips with potato chips, didn't you?
Aww you're that one anon that got btfo during the Australia gun debate. Either that or you both have a habit of giving insults in place of questions you can't answer. Anywho...

>And when were they built and how many times have they been expanded? It's like this is a new, half-finished plant or something.
That still isn't meeting demands for energy despite being newer tech. Which is why California will remain the largest importer of energy from all the other states. Which is why energy costs in California will remain higher than the average. So much for making a profit... I mean I guess the people who own this scam are making billions since that's what it cost so far - and as you said, it isn't even done yet.
>Last I checked wind is officially more cost-efficient than coal.
Last I checked, coal doesn't require a shitload of oil to be made into lubricants for each and every turbine. Since we're moving the goal posts all over. Good thing Biden didn't get rid of every oil company in the country like he promised.
>It's in a fucking desert.
Which is the only reason why it exists. Not every place in the nation is a fucking desert that requires 32,000 acres to function.

>>1466849
>3000 actually.
>As of 2022, it is the largest wind farm in the United States,[1] with a combined installed capacity of 1,550 MW (2,080,000 hp).
>A total of 3000 MW is planned.
LMAO! I plan your mother will suck my dick.

>>1466854
>That still isn't meeting demands for energy despite being newer tech. Which is why California will remain the largest importer of energy from all the other states. Which is why energy costs in California will remain higher than the average.
Hey, retard. What's in California? A lot of things, such as, for example, Silicon Valley? The issue isn't that it isn't producing enough power it's that Cali has massive fucking power demands because of all the shit in it

>Last I checked, coal doesn't require a shitload of oil to be made into lubricants for each and every turbine
Wow anon did you miss the other anon saying "transporting coal isn't cheap"? You're acting like coal teleports from the mine to the furnace.

>Good thing Biden didn't get rid of every oil company in the country like he promised.
I really don't get why idiots keep pushing this meme. Biden closed one pipeline and then had oil up for the rest of his term. He literally didn't do shit to the oil industry.

>>1466855
>As of 3 years ago

>>1466855
>Well guys it's only producing half the amount when half of it is finished
>Might as well not finish it at all

>>1466856
>Hey, retard. What's in California? A lot of things, such as, for example, Silicon Valley? The issue isn't that it isn't producing enough power it's that Cali has massive fucking power demands because of all the shit in it
No the issue is that wind power can't meet the demand, which is why they're importing nuclear power from other states.

>Wow anon did you miss the other anon saying "transporting coal isn't cheap"? You're acting like coal teleports from the mine to the furnace.
Wow anon you're retarded. Let me try singing..... *ahem* "One of these things costs more than the otherrrr. One of these things just doesn't produce..."

>I really don't get why idiots keep pushing this meme.
>“I want you to look at my eyes. I guarantee you. I guarantee you. We’re going to end fossil fuel.”
Hmmmm it's a mystery...

>>1466857
Okay so show me the REAL data. Or are we just making shit up again like in the Australia thread?

>>1466860
Hey, just checking, are investors building new coal plants or new wind farms?

>>1466858
Except it's already complete! LMAO Another fucking lie! Where the fuck did you get that it's only half complete? Where does it say that they have plans to expand and double it's size?

>>1466861
Smart ones are building new nuclear plants. Dumb ones are buying energy from them because their shitty investment in wind energy fell through.

>>1466854
>Not every place in the nation is a fucking desert that requires 32,000 acres to function.
And not every place in the nation is on a river near a coal deposit. What is your fucking point? Nobody said wind is going to replace all fucking energy production. Did you forget your dumbass was defending banning new wind farms?

>>1466864
>Nobody said wind is going to replace all fucking energy production.
>>“I want you to look at my eyes. I guarantee you. I guarantee you. We’re going to end fossil fuel.”

>>1466865
>all energy production is fossil fuels
Were the paint chips that tasty?

>>1466862
>>A total of 3000 MW is planned.
>p l a n n e d
Please stop jacking yourself off anon.

>>1466866
>all energy production is fossil fuels
lol this is like another "we don't want to ban ALL guns" argument. We don't want to ban ALL energy production, we just want to make sure it's only wind and solar... are hydro dams allowed at the cool kids table too?

>Were the paint chips that tasty?
lmao yup definitely that fag from the Australia thread who lost hard and ran away back to plebbit. The poor fag started this out with
>Care to explain how cracking down on green energy and trying to ban new wind farm developments helps our economy?
And now he's upset because he's learned for the very first time just how inefficient wind farms are and why his mom's electricity bill in Los Angeles is $500 a month.... LMAO and California actually has fucking energy complaint devices?!? You can get charged extra for having a high level gaming PC.
>The regulation that had gamers up in arms is under the California Code of Regulations. The specific rule is under Section 1605.3(v)(5), Chapter 4 of Title 20, but is more popularly known as Title 20 Appliance Efficiency Regulations.
LOL Holy fuck I didn't even know that about Cali! LMAOKEK you guys are fucking pathetic!

>>1466867
>>A total of 3000 MW is planned.
>When?
>Uhhhh....
lol this is adorable.

>>1466868
>lol this is like another "we don't want to ban ALL guns" argument. We don't want to ban ALL energy production, we just want to make sure it's only wind and solar... are hydro dams allowed at the cool kids table too?
Nice man made of straw you've made there.

I genuinely still don't get how you don't realize Cali has massive energy bills because it also has some of the biggest energy requirements. The place literally has a bigger economy than some countries and one of the primary exports is tech. Saying this is somehow the wind farms fault is beyond retarded.

>>1466870
And the smart decision would've been to meet those energy requirements by using ANY OTHER method of energy production. But nah, just import the energy at extra cost from neighboring states that aren't retarded like you.
>Mom why won't my AAA batteries replace the battery in your car?

>>1466869
>Uh wind bad
>I don't care that it can power thousands of homes without poisoning the air around it or needing fuel
>wind bad

>>1466872
>>I don't care that it can power thousands of homes
>implying
LMAO

>without poisoning the air around it or needing fuel
Yeah if only there was some other kind of clean energy to use... Something we're already buying from other states.... Gosh what could that possibly be?

>>1466868
>lol this is like another "we don't want to ban ALL guns" argument. We don't want to ban ALL energy production, we just want to make sure it's only wind and solar... are hydro dams allowed at the cool kids table too?
You. Are. Defending. A. Ban. On. Wind. Production.

>>1466872
Also yeah I almost slipped and let you get away with that. You said it was half complete. Where's your source?
>My source is that I made it the fuck up!

>>1466873
>We need to ban wind power to make more nuclear power plants
And we can't have both because...?

>>1466874
>“I want you to look at my eyes. I guarantee you. I guarantee you. We’re going to end fossil fuel.”

>>1466871
>And the smart decision would've been to meet those energy requirements by using ANY OTHER method of energy production
Why are you acting like this is the only power plant in California?

Also, again, coal is currently less efficient than wind. And the SW is dealing with massive droughts which makes basically anything but tidal, wind, and solar less optimal since you need water to boil it.

>>1466876
Where did I say you can't have both? If you want to throw away billions of dollars on a plant that doesn't do shit, then go right ahead. I'll be laughing at you from my red state that uses the same nuclear energy you buy from - only mine costs a fraction of what you pay!

>>1466871
>Please just use more coal bro, just use more coal
>Don't care about how you have massive farming industries that can't afford to deal with climate change from more coal
>Don't care about how the same areas that we build wind power in can't even be used for coal plants because of the transport costs, trust me bro
The irony is California is actually fourth in Wind Power. Which is behind... Texas, Iowa, and Oklahoma. Oops.

>>1466878
>Also, again, coal is currently less efficient than wind.
>Source: Dude just trust me! I know it doesn't even produce half but... I've got a feeling!

>>1466880
>>Please just use more coal bro, just use more coal
Something I didn't say, but if you need to strawman as part of the coping mechanism then....

>>1466879
>>>1466879
>Anon forgets the entire conversation started because of Trump banning wind development
Now what's gonna be really funny is when you guys fuck around and find out because of all the nuclear power red tape Trump dedicated himself to cutting. Nuclear power is very safe and efficient... when you don't cut corners. When you cut corners, which is what Trump is currently encouraging, you get Chernobyl. So get ready to roll those dice

>>1466882
>>Anon forgets the entire conversation started because of Trump banning wind development
No the conversation about wind started about here >>1466838 when you got btfo on oil and economy under Biden. Nice try.

>>1466877
Did Biden ban jack shit? And isn't your lead-brained ass all for replacing fossil fuels with nuclear?

Also, there is literally nothing fucking wrong phasing out fossil fuels, especially if that's done by building out more efficient shit. Coal dying a slow, painful death should be cheered on.

>>1466882
>Now what's gonna be rea
>>1466884
>Now what's gonna be really funny
Anon are you having a stroke? I know it must be frustrating for you but calm down.

>>1466883
>Starts convo saying coal is better than wind
>"Uh I never said to use coal"
You're wrong btw. This goes out to >>1466881 too.
>https://environmentamerica.org/center/updates/solar-and-wind-surpassed-coal-in-2024/

>>1466887
Didn't realize autopost was on so I got interrupted midway through typing.

>>1466886
>Also, there is literally nothing fucking wrong phasing out fossil fuels,
There is when your wind and solar energy doesn't produce as much to make a suitable replacement.
>especially if that's done by building out more efficient shit.
Which isn't wind.
>Coal dying a slow, painful death should be cheered on.
I love how you're so retarded that you think I'm advocating for coal by using it to point out that even shitty coal plants build during the Vietnam war produces more energy than the same wind plants you want to replace fossil fuels with.

>>1466888
>>Starts convo saying coal is better than wind
>>"Uh I never said to use coal"
Yeah. Saying one is better than the other isn't the same as saying you should do it. Burning dogshit produces more than wind, that doesn't mean we should be like India.

>You're wrong btw.
>>https://environmentamerica.org
HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1466889
It's okay anon. We all make mistakes when we're mad.

>>1466891
>Doesn't read the link
Wind and Solar produced more energy than coal in the last year.
>INB4 "But you combined the two!"
Wind farms double as solar farms half the time.

>>1466881
>Source: Dude just trust me! I know it doesn't even produce half
Congrats on not knowing what "efficient" means.

>cost per kW
>Coal with 90% carbon capture $6,495–6,625
>Coal power $4,074
>Wind power $1,718
>Source: The U.S. Energy Information Administration
Huh, would you look at that, coal isn't even half as efficient as wind. It's like it's dying for a reason or something. And wind's only getting more efficient with time. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to be against building out more wind power.

>>1466890
>There is when your wind and solar energy doesn't produce as much to make a suitable replacement.
Yeah, that's why more is being built. Nobody is arguing for turning off all the fossil fuel plants overnight. What the fuck do you think phasing out means.

You're genuinely one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever talked to.

>I love how you're so retarded that you think I'm advocating for coal by using it to point out that even shitty coal plants build during the Vietnam war produces more energy than the same wind plants you want to replace fossil fuels with.
I genuinely don't care what you're advocating for. You're a dumbass.

>>1466893
>>Doesn't read the link
Yeah I'm not reading your shitty blog. Lrn2sauce.

>Wind and Solar produced more energy than coal in the last year.
Cool. So how many coal plants are there vs how many wind/solar plants? Then do per capita and get back to me.

>>1466881
>>1466894
Oh, and since you're big on nuclear.
>Nuclear $6,695–7,547
and for completeness
>Solar photovoltaic $1,327
So shut the fucking fuck up. We've long since passed the point when solar and wind power make complete economic sense.

Bitching about there not being enough to support entire states so we shouldn't build any more just makes you look like a lunatic.

inb4 he pivots to it killing birds and whales.

>>1466896
>Price of annual operation for a coal plant: $42-66 per megawatt-hour
>Price of annual operation for a wind farm: $30-55

>>1466894
>>1466895
>>1466897
LMAO holy shit he's mad.

>Yeah, that's why more is being built.
And where are you going to get all of this extra land to build? Not every place in America is an empty desert with 32,000 acres of land to spare... I feel like I'm repeating myself. Am I repeating myself? Not to mention the cost to build is in the billions - lmao for a """ half """ - """ built """ - plant that has no plans to double in size! lol - that will cost even billions more with millions to maintain spreading windfarms all over America so it can produce jack shit.

>Oh, and since you're big on nuclear.
>>Nuclear $6,695–7,547
>and for completeness
>>Solar photovoltaic $1,327
So why is California importing 1/3rd of their energy from nuclear plants out-of-state? lol

>>1466899
Not what I asked, but nice try.

>>1466900
>And where are you going to get all of this extra land to build? Not every place in America is an empty desert with 32,000 acres of land to spare... I feel like I'm repeating myself. Am I repeating myself?
My brother in Christ, how big do you think an acre is? How big do you think the US is? "Land" is not something we lack. Water is. You know, that shit you need for nuclear, coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, etc.

>So why is California importing 1/3rd of their energy from nuclear plants out-of-state?
Because it doesn't have enough domestic energy production and those plants are nearby?

No matter how efficient energy production is, it does jack shit if it doesn't exist. So, again, why are you against more being built?

>>1466900
You strike me as someone that thinks a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of lead.

>>1466902
>"Land" is not something we lack.
This is an interesting take.
>Water is. You know, that shit you need for nuclear,
Could do what the Palo Verde plant in Arizona does and use recycled wastewater from the city.
>Because it doesn't have enough domestic energy production
Wonder why. Maybe if they built more nuclear plants instead of wasting money on wind...

>No matter how efficient energy production is
Which to be clear, nuke, coal, oil, etc. > wind. Another reason why Cali imports.

>>1466904
Cali imports because it has higher energy demands, retard. And Wind is objectively more efficient per dollar and ESPECIALLY on an environmental level than coal. Nuclear is good but also needs far more maintenance and takes longer to build.

>>1466905
>Cali imports because it has higher energy demands, retard.
Which they're not meeting with wind, retard. Especially when they're not planning to expand that farm you said was only halfway done.

>>1466906
And they're not gonna meet it with nuclear either until the federal government actually establishes a place to dispose of nuclear waste. The things are too expensive to make while they have no proper channels to dispose of the waste safely. So stop bitching about "muh wind power isn't good enough! No more wind!" even though that's basically equivalent to saying you don't want passive income because it doesn't give you as much as your job.

>>1466907
>And they're not gonna meet it with nuclear either
>they're already meeting it with nuclear from other states
>those other states have no problem dealing with waste

>So stop bitching
LMAO you're the only one sperging here, making shit up, and then crying about it because nobody agrees with you. I'm having fun debunking your dumb shit in between building a colony on Rimworld.

It’s honestly just a symptom of how rotten certain Americans are. You’ve got people like Trump on one side who are truly retarded and whose brain is the consistency of mashed potatoes who shouldn’t be allowed to run a bath let alone an entire country, and on the other side someone like >>1466689 with BDS. Along with Trump

>>1466613
10/10
This is what I voted for.

>>1466616
>false claims that he "spied on the 2016 Presidential Campaign of Donald J. Trump, and presided over the creation of the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, the worst political scandal in American History."
Those two are 100% true. Crossfire Hurricane.

>>1466931
>>1466930
Found the seething trumptard

>>1466908
A permanent national repository for nuclear waste does not exist, something Californian state law requires before they'll start making more nuclear power plants. Now what's funny is, there WAS plans for one in the Yucca mountains, but they folded under political pressure from the surrounding area in 2011 and Trump killed any remaining plans to reopen over the course of his first term.

But hey they're just being ridiculous. Other states dispose of nuclear waste all the time! It's not like every state with nuclear power just uses temporary sites that are literal ticking time bombs that will eventually break down due to the corrosion of the containers used by the radioactivity, meaning constant upkeep and the risk of natural disasters causing nuclear emergencies... oh, wait. That's exactly the case.

>>1466953
>we're going to Chernobyl any day now

>>1466957
Not Chernobyl but the fact the US relies entirely on interim nuclear storage is a very valid concern if you want to talk about expanding nuclear power.

Now, for a valid comparison, see Fukushima.

>>1466958
Y'know what? You're right, which is why California should do the moral thing and completely stop importing nuclear energy from us heathen red states. Go ahead. Fill your entire shit state with wind farms that will cost several billion dollars to make up for the loss while I sit here at my high performance PC that's banned in CA and pay a fraction for energy what you do. Seriously, go ahead. You were going on earlier about how I want to ban wind farms. Far from it! I want your state - and ONLY your state - to invest heavily in it. So lead the way to the future! Go for it.

>>1466961
You realize that California does have at least one nuclear plant still open right? They're not even opposed to nuclear power itself; they're opposed to the incomplete process of US nuclear waste disposal that turns nuclear plants into long term ticking time bombs and SHOULD be addressed before we start creating more of them.

>>1466962
Welp! Guess they need to shut that one down too so it doesn't contribute anymore waste. This just gets better and better.

>>1466964
They literally just prevented it from shutting down. It's grandfather claused in. Now are you gonna admit we should address the issue or are you gonna keep being a bad faith retard capable of zero nuance?

>>1466967
>Now are you gonna admit we should address the issue or are you gonna keep being a bad faith retard capable of zero nuance?
Oh no, by all fucking means. Address the issue! Stop using that evil nuclear energy and stop importing so much energy from other states/countries. Seriously!

So I did a bit of math. If you want Cali to stop contributing to nuclear waste, and just leave that burden to us heathen red staters, they would have to make about... mmm 20 more of those Alta wind farms (I didn't include the only in state nuke plant that produces about 10% of the state's electricity so figure it out on your own). So get to work! Start building! Sure it will cost SEVERAL LMAO BILLIONS but hey, you can't put a price on a clean environment. Don't worry, we'll take over the burden of living off nuclear energy from you.

>>1466968
>Misses the entire point of the post
Again, bad faith, zero ability to comprehend nuance. Thanks for your concession.

>>1466969
Sorry I can't hear you over the cheap nuclear energy my state (and yours lol) uses.

>>1466971
>Nooooo, you can't just use wind energy until nuclear actually has a proper permanent disposal place figured out
>Think about the power issues that primarily come up during wild fires!
Hey I'm not in Cali but I'm curious which state you're in. Because if it's texas, ohhhhh boy do I have news for you.

>>1466972
>>Nooooo, you can't just use wind energy until nuclear actually has a proper permanent disposal place figured out
lol I love how you constantly put words in my mouth that I never said. Quote the post where I told you that you couldn't use wind energy?

Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>1466973
You literally have no argument beyond bad faith and trying to dunk on california for investing in windmills for some reason.

>>1466977
So I didn't say that then? Great. Talk about bad faith. Now as to the rest of your post...

If you scroll up the thread you'd realize that California was brought up because it has the largest wind farm in the country. Which isn't doing shit for them no matter how much money they throw at it, so they have to import a chunk of their energy from out of state. Now if not for people like you, they would've invested in nuclear plants instead and saved a lot of money actually meeting their demands. But your worried about nuclear waste building up and it being a potential issue in the future. Given our track record, I think we'll be fine but whatever. Point is you're whole argument hinges on how I don't have a solution to get rid of nuclear waste, so let me be very clear here - I'm not a scientist or a nuclear engineer. I'm under ZERO fucking obligation to invent a method of cancelling radiation like Ghost in the Shell just to argue with you, no more than I would be expected to come up with a cure for cancer. So shove your "bad faith" nonsense up your ass.
Secondly, every other state that uses nuclear hasn't had an issue with it. But because it creates a byproduct we can't degrade you don't think we should use it. Fair enough! Stop using it then. California (or whatever dogshit blue state you live in) should immediately shell out hundreds of billions of dollars into unreliable, underperforming green energy to replace everything it currently uses - including imports. You can whine about how "bad faith" that is, but still can't refute it.

>>1466979
>Point is you're whole argument hinges on how I don't have a solution to get rid of nuclear waste, so let me be very clear here - I'm not a scientist or a nuclear engineer. I'm under ZERO fucking obligation to invent a method of cancelling radiation like Ghost in the Shell just to argue with you, no more than I would be expected to come up with a cure for cancer. So shove your "bad faith" nonsense up your ass.
Retard the point is that there IS a way to dispose of radiation (deep geological repositories) which the US does not have. Our current method of storing waste is an interim method and California is absolutely correct that it's a bad idea to keep going further without any permanent disposal locations. We literally have the answer, we just haven't built one yet and that's the fucking problem.

>Secondly, every other state that uses nuclear hasn't had an issue with it. But because it creates a byproduct we can't degrade you don't think we should use it. Fair enough! Stop using it then. California (or whatever dogshit blue state you live in) should immediately shell out hundreds of billions of dollars into unreliable, underperforming green energy to replace everything it currently uses - including imports. You can whine about how "bad faith" that is, but still can't refute it.
Your argument is literally non-sensical. You're going "Hmmm, you love wind power? Well then you have to run the whole state on wind power or you're a hypocrite!". You don't even have a point, you're just finding reasons to complain and justify Trump's equally non-sensical banning of wind power projects.

>>1466979
Su fucking stupid buddy, California has more people than the bottom 21 states combined. And you think because they have a big wind farm is should be able to power a population bigger then 21 states combined without having to import some power?

You think you have a gotcha but all you are showing is your inability to understand data, but your amazing ability to parrot talking points to you heard without understanding them. Keep pasting low IQ bullshit and thinking you’re cooking. We all need a good laugh at the idiocy.

>>1466984
>Retard the point is that there IS a way to dispose of radiation (deep geological repositories) which the US does not have.
Cool. Don't care. I'm going to keep using nuclear energy in my state while you seethe about it.

>You're going "Hmmm, you love wind power? Well then you have to run the whole state on wind power or you're a hypocrite!".
You're the one bitching about something that nobody else gives a fuck about. And yeah you are a hypocrite if you still use nuclear energy - imported or not - while bitching about how we don't properly dispose of it. Either replace it with another source (green or not) or shut the fuck up. I'm not paying $500 a month in energy just so you can feel good about yourself.

>and justify Trump's equally non-sensical banning of wind power projects.
And here we are right back again. Quote the post where I told you that you couldn't use wind energy.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>1466904
>Which to be clear, nuke, coal, oil, etc. > wind
Source: I made it the fuck up.

Fucknut thinks if Plant A produces twice as much energy than Plant B that means Plant A is more efficient even if it costs 4 times as much to run. Actual toddler brain. Must be all the lead.

Just to be abundantly clear, the most efficient form of power generation is gas, followed closely by solar and then wind. Nuclear is the second least efficient after that old style of solar where they used a bunch of mirrors to reflect sunlight to a single point to melt salt.

And wind and solar is only getting more efficient as production scales up and the tech improves, unlike gas.

>>1466990
>And you think because they have a big wind farm is should be able to power a population bigger then 21 states combined without having to import some power?
Good job not following along ESL-bot.

>>1466993
>And here we are right back again. Quote the post where I told you that you couldn't use wind energy.
He said you tried to justify Trump banning wind energy, which you did.

>>1466842
>>Care to explain how cracking down on green energy and trying to ban new wind farm developments helps our economy?
>Because they don't fucking work?

>>1466998
>saying something sucks = saying it should be banned
That's not me saying he can't use it, dumbass. Far from it, I want blue state faggots like you and him to invest heavily in it. Throw all the money you want into those black holes, just as long as it isn't my money.

>>1466995
>Source: I made it the fuck up.
Which of these produces more electricity: wind or nuclear? Not which one is more efficient, which produces more electricity?

>>1466772
He is still replacing you just legally and with due pocess

>>1466995
Just so fucking wrong and stupid. In 2 years the more “efficient” plant you speak of still has the same costs. Reducing that “efficiency” in half. Again the next year. After 4 years the costs have averaged out to the same, after that the wind plant continues to generate at 1/4 cost and therefore becomes more efficient over time. I know, math and science is hard but your stupid talking points that lack context is easy.

>>1466997
Finding a single autocorrect typo instead of dealing with the easily fact checked lies you spew being called out… typical conservative idiot. Keeping kissing your cult leaders balls. Trump demands loyalty not intelligence, you are perfect.

>>1466999
Nice pivot away from your point after you were fact checked. Keep sliding those goal posts bro

>>1467003
>Just so fucking wrong and stupid. In 2 years the more “efficient” plant you speak of still has the same costs. Reducing that “efficiency” in half. Again the next year. After 4 years the costs have averaged out to the same, after that the wind plant continues to generate at 1/4 cost and therefore becomes more efficient over time.
And still won't meet the fucking energy demands, which you retards still can't figure out, so they have to spend billions of dollars importing their electricity from elsewhere. If it was really so efficient they would've spent that money building wind and solar to completely replace their imports and not having to rely on outside help from 'non-efficient' sources they detest.
>I know, math and science is hard
Well since you're such a fucking expert, explain to me how it's more (((efficient))) to spend billions of dollars importing energy instead of using that money for building your own sources in state.

>Finding a single autocorrect typo instead of dealing with the easily fact checked lies you spew being called out
>And you think because they have a big wind farm is should
lol

>Nice pivot away from your point after you were fact checked. Keep sliding those goal posts bro
Did I say he can't use it? Yes or no.

It's easy to see that wind energy is a massive scam because we do actually have the most perfect form of clean energy. The only pollutant it produces is steam and the occasional spent fuel rod, which we bury deep in the ground.

And then you look at wind turbines, which have a tendency to violently explode, and their blades are made out of materials that produce a tremendous amount of pollution to manufacture.

Democrats were running a pump and dump scheme using US taxdollars to hype investors into getting into a sub-par form of energy production.

>>1467008
Read industrial society refined edition added notes at the end and you discover nuclear is never safe

>>1467008
>which we bury deep in the ground.
No we don't. We leave them in giant piles at the facilities without anywhere to bury them because nobody wants that shit buried in their backyards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository
>And then you look at wind turbines, which have a tendency to violently explode,
funny headcannon, granpda
>Democrats were running a pump and dump scheme using US taxdollars to hype investors into getting into a sub-par form of energy production.
This is even funnier because most of them were built in red states like Texas.

>>1467008
But anon, it's not as ((((((efficient))))) as throwing away billions of dollars into wind farms that don't do shit and then buying energy from those nuclear plants anyways. You don't understand! Muh Trump cult loyalty! Muh temporary storage!

>>1467012
>funny headcannon, granpda
Are you lying because you think it's funny, or do you genuinely not know why these things are hazardous?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

>>1467015
Now do nuclear reactors lmao
>Guys this power method is bad because look what happens when it explodes

>>1467012
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository
>is a proposed
LMAO

>>1467014
>But anon, it's not as ((((((efficient))))) as throwing away billions of dollars into wind farms that don't do shit and then buying energy from those nuclear plants anyways.
Anon they literally make more nuclear energy from their own singular power plant than they buy. Nuclear power makes up 10% of the California power grid and only 30% of THAT is imported.

>>1467008
>The only pollutant it produces is steam and the occasional spent fuel rod, which we bury deep in the ground.
We don't retard. That's the problem; the US has no permanent nuclear storage disposal and we keep all our waste in interim storage. That's literally part of why California doesn't have more nuclear plants; they have laws against making more nuclear plants until a proper permanent disposal location is created.

>>1467014
I worked with a guy in big oil and he told me what the scam was.
tl;dr Nuclear energy is unironically too efficient. So long as they are built safely and maintained, they produce an indefinite amount of clean energy forever. They actually, unironically, produce less radiation than coal plants.
But the profit from energy generation doesn't only come from the power itself. It comes from manufacturing parts and construction contracts. A single power plant is less profitable than ten thousand wind turbines that self-destruct and need their shit replaced all the time.
This is basically why oil barons are the biggest shills for wind energy. Extracting oil isn't the goal, making money is the goal.

>>1467017
https://www.thetedkarchive.com/library/ted-kaczynski-disposal-of-radioactive-waste Yucca Mountain is a time bomb kek

>>1467016
>wind turbines explode every month, killing workers in the process
>but we can't have nuclear power because some retard in the USSR decided to use discount control rods

>>1467020
Great. Now tell this guy here >>1467003
I can only talk to them so much.

>>1467019
>That's literally part of why California doesn't have more nuclear plants; they have laws against making more nuclear plants until a proper permanent disposal location is created.
That's a government problem, not a nuclear power problem.

>>1467024
Address all of the concerns in the article linked on Yucca Mountain nuclear is unsafe all of the industrial world is destroying the environment

>>1467026
lol fuck you. I ain't clicking that shit nigga. Paste it here.

>>1467028
Ted Kaczynski
Disposal of Radioactive Waste
In Part I.A.12 of my letter to Dr. Skrbina dated March 17, 2005, I expressed the opinion, based on “the demonstrated unreliability of untested technological solutions,” that the nuclear-waste disposal site at Yucca Mountain, Nevada likely would prove to be a failure. It may be of interest to trace the subsequent history of the Yucca Mountain site as reported in the media.

On March 18, 2005, The Denver Post, page 4A, carried an Associated Press report by Erica Werner according to which then-recent studies had found that water seepage through the Yucca Mountain site was faster than what earlier studies had reported. The more-rapid movement of water implied a greater risk of escape of radioactive materials from the site, and there were reasons to suspect that the earlier studies had been intentionally falsified.

The Week,, January 26, 2007, page 24, reported a new study: “Special new containers designed to hold nuclear waste for tens of thousands of years may begin to fall apart in just 210 years,” the study found. “Researchers... had pinned their hopes on zircon, a material they thought was stable enough to store the waste....” The scientists had based this belief on computer simulations, but they were “startled” when they discovered how alpha radiation affected the “zircon” in reality.

Zircon is a gemstone. The substance referred to in the article presumably is a ceramic called transformation-toughened zirconia. See NEB (2003), Vol. 21, “Industrial Ceramics,” pages 262-63.

>>1467001
>Not which one is more efficient
I accept your concession.

>>1467003
>In 2 years the more “efficient” plant you speak of still has the same costs
Efficiency is measured over the lifetime of the production method and includes shit like construction, fuel, and maintenance, dipshit. You aren't smart.

>>1466999
>That's not me saying he can't use it, dumbass
He said you tried to justify Trump banning wind energy, which you did.

X is good because Y is a justification. Stop trying to move the goalpost. It's not going anywhere.

>>1467028
On September 25, 2007, The Denver Post, page 2A, reported: “Engineers moved some planned structures at the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump after rock samples indicated a fault line unexpectedly ran beneath their original location....”

On March 6, 2009, The Denver Post, page 14A, carried an Associated Press report by H.Josef Hebert according to which the U.S. Government had abandoned the plan to store reactor waste at Yucca Mountain. This after having spent 13.5 billion dollars on the project.

On July 15, 2011, USA Today, page 4A, carried an Associated Press report to the effect that the U.S. House of Representatives had appropriated funds for further consideration of the plan to store nuclear waste at the Yucca Mountain site.

As of April 2016 I've made no systematic effort to follow these developments further, but if any major, definitive action had been taken for the permanent disposal of radioactive waste it probably would have been well publicized, and we would know about it. Various alternatives have been proposed (see Wald in our List of Works Cited), but whatever solution—if any—is eventually adopted, its execution inevitably will be characterized by negligence, incompetence, and dishonesty. See, e.g., The Economist, March 19, 2011, page 40; Eisler, page 2A. More likely, no definitive action will ever be taken for the permanent disposal of radioactive waste in the U.S. The problem will be allowed to drag on indefinitely, and meanwhile new nuclear power-plants will continue to be built, the festering pools of deadly stuff will grow and grow...

>>1467028
Nuclear enegery is just damning the future for the sake of trying to build a bulmshit utopia with this idea we can have limitless energy with no cost to the world

>>1467033
In English…

>>1467031
>I accept your concession.
I accept that you can't answer the question because it blows your argument out. You can call your wind farm "efficient" because it uses wind as a free resource, it still doesn't change the fact that it produces jack shit for electricity.

>He said you tried to justify Trump banning wind energy, which you did.
You can keep saying that all you want. I'm not calling for a ban. In fact I've repeatedly said I want you retards to build more wind farms so I can laugh at you.
>X is good because Y is a justification.
No it's stating a fact you fucking moron.

>>1467036
Not him but you're a giant oil industry retard using unclean nuclear power as a red herring and you need to stop posting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas

>>1467034
Sorry phone fagging nuclear energy is a utopian idea that only works in theory

>>1467039
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Texas
>The Los Vientos Wind Farm (912 MW) in South Texas, is the state's largest wind farm.
>912 MW
Wow...

>>1467042
>Texas Wind Generation (GWh, Million kWh)
>2024 67,252 9,385 11,890 11,652 12,924 11,322 11,079
Yes.

So the local shill is supposedly smart enough to see a link, click through it and read the info, realize that it counters their propaganda, desperately search it for any out of context line that makes them look correct, then somehow expect that the person who provided the link as proof won't realize they're being a deliberately retarded shill.
We need internet anonymity so they can make these bad faith arguments repeatedly

>>1467042
Damn. It's like wind power is modular or something.

Most people would look at that as a good thing. It means footprint is much less of an issue and average transmission distance for power can be reduced which reduces waste.

>>1467036
>You can call your wind farm "efficient" because it uses wind as a free resource
I'm calling it efficient because it costs less to build and run which is why over 10% of our energy is wind and climbing rapidly. It wasn't even 5% a decade ago and it wasn't even .5% 2 decades ago. By the way, that's projected to hit 20% in 2030.

If it wasn't competitive, its use would be falling. Like coal. Electricity is a commodity you have to sell to customers. Expensive product leads to plant closures.

>>1466613
Biden may have tried to bankrupt Trump and throw him in prison for the rest of his life but at least he didn’t have any plaques made to mock Trump.

That’s taking it way too far

Biden White House coordinated on raid of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago despite public denials: ex-DOJ official

https://nypost.com/2025/12/17/us-news/biden-white-house-coordinated-on-trump-mar-a-lago-raid-ex-doj-chief-claims/

>>1467065
>Biden may have tried to bankrupt Trump and throw him in prison for the rest of his life
For crimes he didn't commit, right?
For crimes he didn't commit, right?