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Prolific Peacemaker Donald J. Trump hosts a historic meeting with the self stylized "King Zelensky The Mad, Ruler of Ashes and First of His Name"
Zelensky The Mad has had time to consider Peacemaker Trump's 28-point peace plan and is meeting to counter offer a 20-point peace plan of his own
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5664577-live-updates-trump-zelensky-russia-ukraine-meeting/
an hour ago

Live updates: Trump, Zelensky sit down for Ukraine peace talks in Florida

President Trump on Sunday is meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Palm Beach, Fla., as talks to end the Russia-Ukraine war advance.

Ahead of the meeting, Trump spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and he described the call as “good” and “very productive” in a social media post.

Zelensky’s 20-point peace plan, which offers some concessions to Moscow, will be the topic of discussion during Sunday’s huddle. It proposes to have Russian forces withdraw from several Ukrainian regions and creates an $800 billion fund for post-war recovery efforts.

Sunday’s meeting at Mar-a-Lago will mark the fifth time Zelensky has traveled to meet Trump in the U.S.

“These are some of the most active diplomatic days of the year right now, and a lot can be decided before the New Year,” Zelensky wrote on social media early Sunday morning.

Over the weekend, Russia intensified its drone and missile attacks on Kyiv, killing at least one person and injuring many others.

Zelensky, in his Sunday social media post, said he plans to discuss security guarantees, air defense missiles and Russia sanctions with Trump.
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“We’re in final stages of talking and we’re going to see. Otherwise, it’s going to go on for a long time,” Trump told reporters alongside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Earlier Sunday, Zelensky said on the social platform X that Russia has launched over 2,100 attack drones, roughly 800 guided aerial bombs and over 90 missiles at Ukraine this week.

Despite that, Trump said Sunday that Putin is interested in reaching a peace deal. The two will speak after Trump’s meeting with Zelensky concludes, after speaking via phone before the summit this morning.

“It’ll either end, or it’s going to go on for a long time and millions of additional people are going to be killed, millions. And nobody wants that,” Trump added.
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President Trump’s meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has begun.

Along with Trump, the U.S. contingent included Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law.

Prior to excusing the press from the room, Trump said, “I think you could sit outside and have some food.

“Would you like to have some food or do you consider that a bribe, and therefore you cannot write honestly?” Trump added.

President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky are slated to call European leaders after they meet Sunday afternoon, a Ukrainian official told NewsNation
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They're really going to try this same shit again for the tenth time. They're just going to say pretty please stop and expect Russia to give up for nothing. Just give Ukraine to Russia at this point and let Zelensky flee to Israel. Nothing is going to change
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>>1469560
This is preposterous. Here in Texas oblast we all curse the evil hohol and cheer at Putins glorious crusade against our satanic SJW overlords. We should immediate cease all aid to KIEV and seek to pay reparations to Russia for forcing them to launch defensive operation in Ukraine. Russia has nukes and they will use them on us so we should just be of giving them what they ask
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>trump
>peaemaker
When he's started wars in south america, the middle east and africa
And all his 'peace deals' in Laos and Israel have already been used as toilet paper.
trump's war mongering will ensure he'll never get that nobel peace prize he desperately wants and will always live in Obama's shadow.
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>>1469581
He's killing drug cartels, retard. He's done more in three months to stop the war on drugs than Democucks did in thirty years
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>>1469560
I appreciate the schizo conforming to the box we're putting hier in
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>>1469590
>the same administration that relies on reddit to apprehend shooters is totally true and honest about these boats that definitely have ALL of the drugs
>proof? dude trust us lmao
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>>1469593
Occam's Razor analysis
1. the boats have drugs.
2. They are simply high powered fishing boats with no fishing equipment on board and the US government is sinking them with million dollar bombs, obviously mistaken because the US government has very poor surveillance capabilities.

Hmm. Well. I'm not sure which to choose here. They both seem very plausible, right?
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>>1469590
>He's murdering innocent fishermen
Fixed
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>>1469597
>Guys the government wouldn't lie to us, and they wouldn't have done a bad thing so they must've done a good thing
For boats apparently laden with drugs they sure don't wanna actually show any proof they had drugs on them beyond "dude trust me".
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>>1469600
>>1469598
>Taps razor
Even if lying that's a worthless thing to lie about.
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>>1469597
>how do we know they’re carrying drugs to the US and not contraband to some other country or puppies or Epstein victims
>dude trust me lmao
>no? ok dude occams razor that’ll surely hold up in court lmao
The simplest explanation is they’re carrying something, somewhere. Now a normal person would actually investigate something like this and be prepared to present evidence once questioned. Lucky for us we have evolved past the need for such frivolities
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>>1469604
>and be prepared to present evidence once questioned
To be fair, no evidence would ever be good enough for you.
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>>1469605
>MOOOOOOOOM the annoying jews on my Mongolian horseback basket weaving forum aren’t accepting my poorly justified philosophical arguments as real proof again
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>>1469609
Well, you are asking people to believe, without evidence, that the US government is attacking fishermen for no reason.
That's a pretty big stretch even for the most mentally ill homosexual Democrat.
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>>1469609
more like they're projecting that they'd never accept solid evidence when shown, much like they're ignoring all the evidence of Trumps pedophilia
pretending that libs wouldn't accept the drugs as evidence that the boats were carrying drugs is high level cope and a sign of advanced brainrot
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>>1469611
You wouldn't accept the evidence though, you'd just move on to the next objection.
So you're frozen on the "prove the US government isn't just attacking random fishing boats!!!" nonsense that not even you believe.
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>>1469612
so no proof? we already knew that anon
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>>1469612
>Well we can't show evidence because you'd just deny it
>But we totally have it
>No, you can't see it anyway
Yeah that's a concession you don't have any.
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>>1469613
>are those drugs, on high speed fishing boats, heading towards the US from Venezuela?
>yes
>Can I see them?
>no
Its literally a Simpsons sketch. Conservatives are that stupid

1469612
>doubles down on pretending evidence would be ignored
high level brainrot indeed
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>>1469597
>>1469598
>>1469600
I seem to recall that every boat that has been recovered they found drugs on, the Puerto Rican Navy dredged one up from the bottom of the water and found a bunch of cocaine and the one we decided to have a sniper follow it in an osprey and shoot out the boating engine also had drugs on it.

But moving past that for a moment

It makes sense why we would want to blow up boats loaded with drugs.

Why do you think the government would be blowing up tiny boats of fishermen? Do you even have a reasonable explanation why they would be doing this besides "because the orange man is bad"?
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>>1469617
>I seem to recall that every boat that has been recovered they found drugs on
I remember exactly one boat where that was the case which leaves about two dozen with zilch. And considering this admin's tendency to tell foreign countries to make shit up to make Trump look good (hello Pakistan collaborating his claim of helping make a treaty with India that India immediately said was bullshit), I can't even fully trust that.

>Why do you think the government would be blowing up tiny boats of fishermen?
Because they're incompetent and just want to cause terror in venezuela to flood the zone. Same reason why we just bombed a bunch of random farmland in Nigeria, except that was done on land so we actually got to see that the bombings were not only random and not on ISIS camps like they said, but also so fucking haphazard some of the explosives didn't even detonate.
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>>1469617
>source:
>esl shill's recollections
LOL
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>>1469613
>>1469614
But wait! You have no proof of your ridiculous, unfounded claims of these being simple fishing boats. Given your claims holds no water, and not even you believe it, no evidence to diprove it is required.
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>>1469619
lmao did you see >>1469619 they didn't even catch on the puerto rico navy thing
send me that black tranny pegging video you came to, i want to goon while we troll this libfag
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>>1469621
>Uh you have no proof they AREN'T drug boats
Yeah that's not how this works. If you're killing people for committing a crime, YOU HAVE TO FUCKING PROVE THEY COMMITTED THE CRIME FIRST, not this "well you can't prove they DIDN'T" bullshit. Hence why usually, when dealing with drug boats, you, you know, actually pull them over and search them to seize the drugs, which conveniently both accomplishes the mission of stopping the drugs AND proves they actually had them in the first place.
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>>1469617
>MyISeeTheDrugs?

>>1469603
Hanlon's Razor means trump is lying, given he always lies.
So he's murdering fishmen and lying they're running drugs.
It's clear he doesn't care about stopping drugs given he just pardoned a drug lord and is now protecting him.
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>>1469590
>He's killing drug cartels
>He pardoned that which helped drug cartels: >>1461864
Reality just keeps on proving your retarded opinions more than wrong, MAGA cultists.
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>>1469622
pause
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>>1469619
>I remember exactly one boat where that was the case
Are you referencing the boat which was disabled by a sniper from an osprey that they recovered the drugs on, or the boat that the Puerto Rican Navy dredged up from the bottom of the sea and found the cocaine on?

The fact remains that the only boats anybody has bothered to recover have had drugs on them

>Because they're incompetent and just want to cause terror in venezuela to flood the zone.
So your explanation is literally just "because orange man is bad", you honestly have no rational explanation other than Donald Trump is some sort of mustachio twirling comic book villain doing this for no other reason than to cause chaos?

Come on man, think for yourself
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>>1469610
>US government is attacking fishermen for no reason.
If you could actually argue against reality you wouldn't resort to strawmen like this
When the president is openly saying he wants Venezuela's oil and that we're keeping oil from tankers we hijack, it becomes clear the fishing boat bombings were a flimsy precursor to another "liberation" operation in an oil rich cash poor nation
The kind of thing the American right spent fifteen years pretending they were opposed to after spending a decade accusing anyone who didn't agree with it a traitor
But you can't argue against that, so you have to play stupid and pretend the left is just opposed to this because they're big meanies who want to hurt poor Daddy Trump for no good reason.
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>>1469635
To be fair, there is evidence that drugs are being transported on those boats because two have been recovered so far and they had drugs on.

Conversely, as of yet there's no evidence that it's just innocent fishermen being blown up, that seems to be more of a political narrative rooted in dislike of trump rather than any actual facts
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>>1469635
>because they're big meanies who want to hurt poor Daddy Trump for no good reason
They lied about him non-stop for ten years you fucking retard. They are still lying. They will continue to lie.
>nooo not muh heckin fishing submarines!
>i-it's like the bush years! you guys hated afghanistan, right?
Shut the fuck up
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>>1469642
you're truly indistinguishable from a parody of a maga supporter
>>
>Shut the fuck up
Trumptard nerve status: Touched.
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>>1469642
dude, they've lied about Trump his whole life
demosharts made Trump live his whole life as a lie.
they never think about what that does to a person, how it warps their sexuality
if anything, Trump being caught fucking children just proves how evil democrats are. If they weren't constantly lying about Trump the whole time he could have been fucking mature women and making good business decisions.
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>>1469646
stop talking to yourself
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>>1469645
Unironically.
I just discovered that Somalians have been stealing the GDP of several small countries and Tim Walz made a press conference trying to blame white people for welfare fraud. I'm fuming.
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>>1469646
Worst retard post ever. But using tranny logic, he should've off'ed himself by now due to lack of acceptance.
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>>1469651
thats why libs keep talking about Trump being owned by the Russians
Their TDS killed him during the oft talked about moscow trip, and the Russians replaced Trump with a sophisticated robot. The hard part was teaching it to rape children
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>>1469642
So there isn't video of him on camera saying he wants the oil in Venezuela, and his administration has not announced they will be keeping oil they steal from Venezuelan oil tankers. That's just a big meanie leftie lie to hurt poor Daddy Trump
That's your argument? Because that's the only way what you're saying makes any kind of sense
Or are you trying to change the subject because, again, you can't argue based in reality
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>>1469662
maybe if you had thoughts beyond "orange man is bad" you'd be able to acknowledge the drugs the Puerto Rican Navy found

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>>1469664
Wow, the irrational Trump humper is an ESL shill. Who could have possibly anticipated this.
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>>1469664
>maybe if you had thoughts beyond "orange man is bad" you'd be able to acknowledge the drugs the Puerto Rican Navy found
As the Spartans would say, "if"
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>>1469664
Is there video of Donald Trump saying he wants Venezuela's oil, yes or no?
Has the Trump administration announced they will be keeping oil on Venezuelan tankers they capture, yes or no?
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>>1469664
>you'd be able to acknowledge the drugs the Puerto Rican Navy found
They found drugs for one boat. And the other dozen? You know you have to do it for ALL of them right?
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>>1469672
>>1461864
Will Trump be putting Juan Orlando Hernandez back in prison, and do you condemn his pardoning that which ensured 400 tons of cocaine entered the US, killing American citizens, yes or no? If your answer is anything other than 'yes', why are you defending a defender of that which defended the drug cartels?
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>>1469675
>noooooo the cartel sent 12 boats
>you need to find 11 more drugs
its all fentanyl, stupid
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>>1469678
Yes anon that's how this works. For example, if the police threw one guy in jail for 20 years because they proved he was a drug dealer, that doesn't mean they then can throw another 11 guys in jail for 20 years without having to prove they all did it too.
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>>1469676
Don't care. I'd assume the jerk provided info to the US government in exchange and will likely be executed by the cartels at some point.
>Asking someone to condemn something
How absolutely fucking unpologetically jewish.
When will you fucking apologize for Biden? You'll get no apologies until you take responsibility for that.
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>>1469683
>I'd assume the jerk provided info to the US government in exchange and will likely be executed by the cartels at some point.
You could go to the olympics with those mental gymnastics.
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>>1469685
You think? I dunno, it happen shortly after Trump started attacking "fishing boats"
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>>1469686
>No see, after having been arrested by the US for being a drug kingpin, he actually waited a year and told the US about a bunch of drug routes that somehow didn't change despite the boss being caught, and that's why we let him go, but it also doesn't matter because his underlings are also gonna kill him for snitching even though he was the head of the operation and can now resume operations with those routes changed
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>>1469681
>lucky you, another gang member from your organization got arrested for selling fent, guess we can't arrest you unless you sold another drug
see how stupid you sound
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>>1469654
>>1469651
Least obvious samefagging
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>>1469688
Probably not a good idea with an unhinged Trump literally bombing fishermen. Goes to show, you don't even believe it.
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>>1469689
>>lucky you, another guy who walked down this street got arrested for selling fent, guess we can't arrest you unless you sold another drug
FTFY.
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>>1469691
You posting on a full 30 pack of natty light again or something, drunky?
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>>1469691(You)
>>>1469654
>>>1469651 (You)
>Least obvious samefagging
???
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>>1469683
>My FEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS tell me Daddy Trump can do no wrong so anyone Daddy Trump pardons is good
>No I do not have any evidence of this. My FEEEEEEEEELINGS are enough and if you don't agree with them you're a terrorist
I hope Bibi tells Trump to bomb whatever shithole you're posting from next
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>>1469697
OK you really are drunk, huh? Nice strawman you've set up an attack on though.
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>>1469699
Don't distract with your shitposting.
Apologize now for Biden, or just learn to love Venezualen fishermen getting bombed
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>When will you fucking apologize for Trump? You'll get no apologies until you take responsibility for that
ftfy
...and your answer's a 'no'. Thanks for proving you don't care about Trump not caring about what the drug cartels are doing or you would condemn Trump pardoning Hernandez
>Don't care
So why should people care about your wrong opinions? Why should people care about you? Why should people care about Trump? Republicans in Indiana don't care about your orange god, so that's a start. Their not caring about your wrong opinions and Trump will continue via the midterms next year. So many Republicans won't care about you & Trump. Or are they 'RINOs': but only after being previously 'based' Trump voters now with Buyer's Regret?
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>>1469697
That's literally what you said though
>>1469683
You don't care that Trump pardoned a man who smuggled hundreds of tons of drugs into the US, you have zero evidence he provided anything of value to the American people in exchange for that pardon
But your feefees tell you he must have and that's good enough for you
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>>1469683
>Don't care
Fuck your feelings, cultist.
Ah, how the turns have tabled, Trumpist.
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Apologize now for Trump, or just learn to love having no socio-political power after the midterms next year
>either admit you're wrong and stop being a subhuman rightard
>or continue being a subhuman rightard that'll be perma-seething after being denied your right to 'own the libs'
Either way, your 'enemy' wins.
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>>1469705
>smuggled hundreds of tons of drugs
Wrong: he deposed a state socialist who then accused him of trafficking drugs.
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>>1469560
I'm glad Trump is doing what Biden would not, and actually may succeed at stopping the conflict
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>>1469706
>cultist
Interesting coming from a true member of the Democult terrorist cell.
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>>1469710
>a state socialist
>socialism is good, according to some on >>1469410
>state fascism made a state - and its Wehrmacht - meth addicts
And you still refuse to condemn that which pardoned an ally of the drug cartels
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>>1469713
>fuck your feelings
>seething at how a meme has blown up in Trumptards' faces: especially how in the coming months, in soon to be Soviet America libs own you
Interesting coming from a lying & projecting member of the MAGAcult terrorist cell.
Can't take it, you never had the right to dish it out in the first place. Fuck your feeliungs, rightards.
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>>1469716
>condemn
Why do I need to condemn anything?
Maybe I can if you
1. Denounce the Talmud
2. Confirm Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior.
There's no point conversing with un-Christian men.
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>>1469717
HEY, FAGGOT, LAY OFF THE FUCKING DRUGS OR TAKE YOUR MEDS.
You're not even making sense you fucking drunkard.
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>>1469718
>thinks I'm Jewish. Newsflash: I still have my foreskin
>just four days after a time of the year with he born of a Nazarene Jewess: put inside her by the God of the Jews. Bris, Bar Mitzvah'd, the works. Later referred to as 'Rabbi'. 'INRI' Was as much a Red Sea Pedestrian as Brian
There's no point conversing with a hypocrite who is - by his own beliefs: and you cannot spell 'beliefs' without the word Lie - hellbound via Matthew 23. Isaac Asimov said it best:
'Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived'
The first half of that Bible is mainly Jewish-sourced, thus your whole religion is Jewish: what you're supposed to 'hate'. And how can I 'denounce' something that has nothing to do with me if I still have my foreskin, Einstein...?! I bet you don't have yours, Jew
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>>1469728
So, you're just not going to denounce the Talmud huh?
And you're going to advocate for judaism (atheism) while you're at it too, huh?
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>>1469718
>>1469719
>>1469736
>seething
Fuck your feelings
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>>1469738
Right now I feel like you're a huge drunken faggot, and your sex worker mother smoked a bunch of meth while she was pregnant with you, and she has no idea who the father is at all.
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>>1469719
Good post. Someone needs to say it
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>>1469740
Trvke
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>>1469740
>>1469741
>>1469742
Get a room you three
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>>1469560
Zelensky the Mad: US, Ukraine negotiators agreed to ’90 percent’ of 20-point peace plan

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday that negotiators from his country and the U.S. made significant progress on his 20-point peace proposal during a meeting at President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club.

“We discussed all the aspects of the peace framework … [the] 20-point peace plan [is] 90 percent agreed,” Zelensky said, standing beside Trump.

The Ukrainian leader added that the U.S. side agreed “100 percent” with the sections in the framework outlining American security guarantees, with the U.S., Ukraine, and European countries “almost” in agreement on joint security guarantees for the eastern European nation.

Trump and Zelensky held a call with European leaders after their meeting. The president is also set to speak with Russian President Vladimir Putin via phone later Sunday, after speaking with the Russian leader before his meeting with Zelensky.
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>>1469743
Will do. Send your mom up.
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>Trump & Putin the Mad: US, Ukraine negotiators agreed to ’90 percent’ of 20-point peace plan
ftfy
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Gay men such as >>1469745 don't need women
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>>1469590
Let's assume for the sake of argument that these boats are, in fact, drug smugglers. What makes you think that losing a few expendable mooks makes a difference to the cartels?
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>>1469765
The boats are filled with drugs. Probably.
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>>1469747
Your "mom" will never be a real woman.
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1469788 will never know who real women are
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Ukraiggers keep losing



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