https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yqygxe41ptbasically capturing maduro and now starting to sell the venezuelan oil, typical.
>>1471396>Biden: promises to end fossil fuels and does everything in his power to shut it down during the pandemic when we need it most, until the country hates him enough to make him reverse his decisions.>Trump; removes oil restrictions, drill baby drill, steals oil tankers - and when that's not enough, takes over the entire country of a major producerWhy are Republicans so much more based than democrats?
>>1471396You guys realize Maduro's military is still in power? We aren't gonna claim any oil because the actual power structure of Venezuela is unchanged.
>>1471400The only path to peace is to secure oil for the future of our children
>>1471401Oh yeah that same military that didn't score a single KIA on US troops while we kidnapped their leader? I wouldn't worry about them.
>>1471403As if our children have a future.
>>1471405Those sound like nice odds. When do you ship out?
>>1471405A successful operation isn't a successful war. They're not gonna give up power without a fight at this point; how many US troops have to die so Trump can funnel money to oil execs?
>>1471409Already did my time, though I wouldn't mind going the contractor route if Uncle Sam offers me enough.
>>1471414Cool I’m sure with your skills the recruiters will love you on the front lines. When are you shipping out?
>>1471416As soon as they offer me a six-figure salary.
>>1471407They won't conservatives are ensuring the environment is destroyed and they'll be forever in debt to a new feudal system implemented by capitalism. There's a good reason the youth is warming up to socialism.
>>1471419yeah that’s why I’m letting the other kids fight in my place too. every single one of them will be fine because today went well wink wink
>>1471419This but unironically. Give me a thicc venezuelan girl and beachfront property and I will do it. Don't even bother flying me down there, I will fucking swim across the Atlantic and arrive before they land.
>>1471424So far they seem to be doing better than we did during the invasion of Iraq. And it didn't take them over a month to find the leader. But go ahead and worry about it if you want too.
>>1471427>so farIt hasn’t been a day.
>>1471396So how long are our troops going to be stuck in Venezuela. I dont think this quagmire will last as long as Iraq did or be as expansive, but im sure the CIA helped spawn a bunch of paramilitary groups that will vie for control in the area and traffic drugs. Similar to what happened in Iraq.
>>1471427It's been less than a day, Maduro's military (you know, the thing that he used to KEEP power in the first place?) is basically untouched, his VP that Trump said was interim leader immediately told the US to fuck off and professed loyalty to him even after his arrest, the opposition doesn't actually have US support because Trump for some reason dismissed it out of hand, and we haven't actually seized shit beyond one successful operation, albeit a major one.
>>1471428And we already have the leader. >Maduro's military (you know, the thing that he used to KEEP power in the first place?) is basically untouched, Is that a joke? It's the complete oppose: we're untouched and they got fucked up. We had one injury and one damaged aircraft. That's it!
>>1471427How many American kids and Venezuelans are you willing to sacrifice for a regime change? Remind me again how Iraq and Afghanistan turned out after we freed the shit out of them. Tens of thousands of Americans killed or wounded for nothing and here you are telling us that it’ll work this time because Trump needs another distraction from the Epstein files.This is how I know you never served or never saw combat because you wouldn’t be repeatedly saying something so retarded if you had.
>>1471431I too remember how Iraq went perfectly fine after we go Saddam.
>>1471430This.It was never about saving the country.Next up: Greenland. Lots of rare earth metals.
orange bush
>>1471433>I too remember how Iraq went perfectly finePerfectly fine? Okay how many casualties did we take during the invasion and then compare that to fucking zero. >>1471432>How many American kids and Venezuelans are you willing to sacrifice for a regime change?Americans? Depends if they vote democrat or not. Venezuelans? All of them, and fuck regime change. Give me cheaper gas prices and they can all get smokes.>This is how I know you never served or never saw combat LMAO yeah you're such a fucking expert, anon. Sure thing.
>>1471396Sell it?! He’s not going to drink it?!?
>>1471437More great commentary from the neverserved. Honestly with more guys like you fighting the GWOT it would have been over in two weeks
Ol' grandpa says the quiet part out loudly. Most of South American countries only have bananas. Venezuela has oil and it's has socialism. Democrats like what Trump did but they can't say it out loud.
>>1471430>It's been less than a day, Maduro's military (you know, the thing that he used to KEEP power in the first place?) is basically untouched,>massive SEAD operation with 150+ completely takes out their anti-air capabilities>power grid hacked, used to turn off lights during raid>total air supremacy established by F-22 raptors, allowing several combat helis to take out ground targets with impunity>MANPADS negated by dark IR flares and, interesting new laser countermeasure (we Command and Conquer Generals now!)>Dept. of War had to cancel second wave of attacks they thought they would need.>Maduro's military got so fucked up they're telling Sky News Maduro's capture was a "negotiated exit" ... "No we meant for them to capture our leader. We meant for them to kill us, all according to keikaku.">no life-threatening injuries reported by US forces
>>1471556Yeah and none of that means the Venezuelan military has been disabled at all. Embarrassed? Definitely. But in any way unable to still keep Maduro's cronies in power the same way he took power in the first place? Fuck no.
>>1471560>coping this hard>>>/k/64713877
>>1471563You do realize if that is true, this was all theater and not actually impressive at all?
>>1471564I guess I didn't make it clear that I'm laughing at this cope. Let me try again.>>>/k/64713974
>>1471396https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD7ubx7_KhU
>>1471400>>1471403He's not wrong. The value of the US dollar is tied directly to the price of their oil. Having a massive reserve of oil is necessary to keep the value of the US dollar worth something on the global market. A few months ago Saudi Arabia started trading oil with China in Chinese currency instead of US dollars which is a massive change. If America doesn't do something like take all Venezuela's oil to keep up the cheap supply, countries will turn to other options and the US dollar on the global market will be much closer to the Peso than what it was a few years ago or even now. This is also why Trump hates any kind of renewable energy.
>>1471650>Sorry, we need to start more wars for oil forever because Trump's economic and trade policies tanked the value of the US dollar
>>1471652It's terrible, but it's the position the US is in. The American empire is starting to collapse and they're getting desperate. It's also the same reason Trump tried to annex Canada and is still trying to get Greenland under it's control.
Anyone who posts about VZ being the next Iraq should probably watch a 3 minute YouTube video about Manuel Noriega. Panama was a narco state and now it's a prosperous democracy. The reason some of you guys have never heard of the American intervention there is because it was so brief.
>>1471657Ya'll been screaming America is collapsing since Dubya has been in power. Less and less people are taking your ilk seriously by the day. >>1471662I remember that. Critics back then were asserting the nation would fall apart and the whole region would be destabilized. Never happened but those critics would go on and continue their fear mongering into the 21st century.
>>1471662>>1471666>b-b-but what about Panama>Ignore every other time we did this over oil
The same people who were posting "Kony 2012" way back then are now saying that it's wrong to capture a foreign leader. SMH.
>>1471666>Ya'll been screaming America is collapsing since Dubya has been in power. Less and less people are taking your ilk seriously by the day.That's because it started really getting bad durring Bubba's time after 9/11. Look back at Anerica in the 90's and now look at it today and it's general trajectory. I have to say it's a little funny that people on this site bitch day in and day out how shit everything is becoming, until you try and point out to them why. Then they pretend like all's well and no one should take it seriously. Enjoy life with your head in the sand.
>>1471662I was thinking Iraq myself but then I heard the Venezuelans are clapping and cheering and they're all like: "Come liberate us, daddy!"
Why are Republican voters who won't be voting Republican this year thus getting their revenge. And if MAGAts can fix the midterms, it's more than legal for the Democrats to fix the midterms & 2028. By Any Means Necassary based?
>>1471668Venezuela is not an islamic brainwashed state like Iraq or Afghanistan, the intervention in these two became catastrophic because they're anti western, anti christian and they don't care about having their life conditions improved, they dont care about dying. Venezuelans are mostly christian and hope for a better life, they'll invite the US military in
>>1471741That's funny, they said the same thing about Iraq and Afghanistan!Hearts and minds, people!
>>1471742Do you think regime change worked in 1990 when American Forces arrested Manuel Noriega?
>>1471775>Guys it worked in the scenario where the main thing we wanted was stability in the region so we could use the canal>Surely THIS TIME doing it for the sole sake of obtaining oil will work
>>1471775>regime change>Nicolas Maduro>https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/former-honduran-president-released-us-prison-after-trump-pardon-2025-12-02/I guess arresting a president makes a change from pardoning one already arrested, tried, convicted & imprisoned, amirite?If it's okay to do so andtherefore any country's leaders are fair game, do you thiink there's nothing wrong with kidnapping Putin? Or kidnapping Kim Jong Un? Or kidnapping Trump?
>>1471396Kinda funny how many people are talking "Regime change bad" vs "Regime change good" meanwhile Maduro's VP is in power with all the systems he used to remain in power via military and police control still intact. Legitimately there hasn't been a regime change at all; same effect as if he had a stroke and died overnight.
>>1471781Good postIt's like if Wile E. Coyote caught the Roadrunner, or Joker killed Batman, or a dog caught a car it was chasing: what now?The supposed 'superpower' that is MAGA are at a loss at what to do now. They don't have the slightest idea what to do next.
>>1471778I thought Manuel Noriega was in bed with the Cartels, and was help pushing drugs to the United States.Like how Nicolas Maduro is in bed with the cartels, and was helping push drugs into the united stateshttps://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/designating-cartels-and-other-organizations-as-foreign-terrorist-organizations-and-specially-designated-global-terrorists/South American presidents who are in bed with the cartels and use their criminal connections to maintain power would perfectly describe Manuel Noriega and Nicolas Maduro
>>1471779WhataboutismThe Honduran president has nothing to do with Maduro or Noriega
>>1471784I saw one tweet comparing it to the East Wing situation and honestly it's pretty fucking accurate.Trump went in and got his initial goal (removing the East Ballroom/capturing Maduro), but now he has no fucking plan to get his actual primary goal (blueprints for the ballroom/acquiring Venezuela's oil and/or overthrowing Maduro's regime). So now we're stuck here with step 1 done, step 2 completely unknown even to Trump, and step 3 impossible to reach until we can actually figure out step 2.
>>1471650>This is also why Trump hates any kind of renewable energy.That and it doesn't work.
>WhataboutismBut enough about an orange thing pardoning one president already imprisoned and doing the diametric opposite to another.If one leader can be kidnapped thus all others are fair game: no exceptions, why not kidnap Putin? Or kidnap Kim Jong Il? Or kidnap Trump?
>>1471794https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/north-korea-drugs-meth-methamphetamine-opium-poppies-smuggling-medicine-09112024163136.htmlKim Jong Il is a drug dealer. He might get arrested
>>1471792>That and it doesn't work.What do you mean by it doesn't work? Considering solar and wind are quite efficient now, what do you base that statement on?
>>1471794>Or kidnap Trump?You people have tried, and failed, to kill him twice. Now you think you can kidnap him? lol good luck.
>>1471802You do realize there's a difference between a single random civilian and a spec ops team like what we did to Maduro, right?
>>1471801Oh boy we're having this conversation again. Remember how we looked at the largest wind farm in the US, how much space it took up, how much it cost to build, how much it cost to maintain, and how it doesn't produce enough electricity to make it worth the effort - especially when so many cheaper but more effective methods exist 50 years ago, which is why California is the largest importer of energy in the country? Do we have to have that conversation again? Look I'll end it right now: wind ain't shit compared to nuclear.
>>1471801Household Electricity (H1 2025): The highest prices for household consumers in the EU are in Germany (€0.3835/kWh), Belgium (€0.3571/kWh), and Denmark (€0.3485/kWh).Germany is Europe's leader in wind energy, boasting over 72 GW of installed capacity and generating roughly 30% of its electricity from wind. As of 2024, it has the third-largest installed wind capacity globally. Denmark is a global leader in wind energy, generating over 50% of its electricity from wind and solar, with wind alone providing 58% of its power.
>>1471803So let me know when the left gets a "spec ops" team that isn't a laughable fucking joke, like your Antifa squads patrolling CHAZ who lit up a black teenager - all in the name of fighting police brutality!
>>1471805You mean the convo where you got BTFOed about how the US has no permanent nuclear storage and how until we finally create one nuclear plants to replace wind ones will remain a pipe dream?
>>1471807...you realize we're talking about like, national militaries here, not some random street protestors, right?
>>1471810So what national military do you think would be most likely to try and take Donald Trump?Canada? Germany? China?
>>1471809Yeah the convo where you sperged out because we do have an effective method of storing nuclear waste, which defeated your only possible argument for why we should use wind instead of nuclear.
>>1471810Now which of these national militaries have the ability to pull off what we just did? Russia? LMAO on year whatever-the-fuck of their 3 day special operation to take Ukraine.
>>1471809Boy it sure got quiet. I mean you "BTFOed" me last time. Surely you want to talk about how much total high-level nuclear waste we have and where we put it all again.
>>1471809>>1471814What about my argument?>>1471806That the highest priced household electricity in the EU is also in the parts of the EU with the most wind energyWhich accelerates the rate of offshoring, as companies move their production to places where energy and labor are cheaper
>>1471823>What about my argument?The argument where you were wrong about storing nuclear waste. Let me ask again: how much high-level nuclear waste in the world do you think exists? Not just the US, but the entire planet since the 1950s? I'll give you a hint: football field.
>>1471814>we do have an effective method of storing nuclear wasteWe fundamentally don't lol. The current methods used by the US are temporary. We do not have a permanent nuclear waste disposal location and that is why states like California do not create new power plants.
>>1471829I was responding to both of you because I am not either of you. I didn't ever talk about storing nuclear waste. I just talked about the EU states with the highest energy prices, and how that coincided with the EU states with the highest percentage of wind energy
>>1471830>We fundamentally don't lol.We fundamentally do, lol, because there's so little of it. It's either being stored on site at the power plant itself or it's in the middle of a fucking desert where the US tests it's nuclear weapons. Either way you keep playing this card like you think it wins an argument when you're too retarded to realize it's a 3 of clubs and not the ace of spades you thought it was.... that analogy was probably too complicated so let me try another tactic:>duuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr nuke waste tooo smallll to worry bout durrrrrrrr nuke still more good than wind farms durrrrrrr
>>1471834>because there's so little of itYeah hence the long term part. I bet you think everything you dump in that hole in your countertop just vanishes forever into the aether too.BTW this is literally the reason California doesn't have more reactors; it is state law that they cannot make more until the US creates a permanent waste depository due to the risks surrounding the current methods in their environment.
>>1471835>Yeah hence the long term part.Anon holy shit you're retarded. What part of this do you not understand? Okay how about I try this approach: How much high-yield nuclear waste exists as of right now since the 1950s? >BTW this is literally the reason California doesn't have more reactors; it is state law that they cannot make more until the US creates a permanent waste depository due to the risks surrounding the current methods in their environment.Because hippie fucks like you exists, which makes it all the sweeter that they're exporting - at great cost - nuclear energy from the surrounding states. Because we don't have these nonsensical restrictions, we can have nuclear plants that provide more than what we need at a cheap price.
It’s wild how these people pretend they didn’t like regime change when Bush did it, but are acting just republicans did in 2003
>>1471837How many Obama supporters were out protesting regime change in Libya?
>>1471836>which makes it all the sweeter that they're exporting - at great cost - nuclear energy from the surrounding states.California produces more energy from their single nuclear plant than they import from other nuclear plants. But hey keep pretending like it's not a problem that we've got multiple ticking time bombs of waste being stored in non-permanent locations and any further plants will result in even more of them.
>>1471838Obama didn’t openly come out and say “we’re doing this for colonialism and resources” so blatantly as Dear Leader is doing. Also no amount of what about will make what he’s doing okay as a precedent for world order
>>1471840Let me ask again:>How much high-yield nuclear waste exists as of right now since the 1950s?
>>1471842So the problem is that Donald Trump didn't lie about it and was being more honest than Obama was in Libya, or Bush was in Iraq and Afghanistan?
>>1471845>donald trump>didn't liegod you're a shameless shill. why do you do it anon
>>1471840You keep getting quiet when I ask this question: How much high-yield nuclear waste exists as of right now since the 1950s?Because you can't answer it.>But hey keep pretending like it's not a problem that we've got multiple ticking time bombs of waste being stored in non-permanent locations and any further plants will result in even more of them.>the whole fucking combined planet of waste since nuclear power existed won't even fill up a football stadium, therefore we need to invest billions into an unreliable, under-performing, high-maintenance, space-intensive, power source like wind farms.
>>1471847>unreliable, under-performing, high-maintenance, space-intensive, power source like wind farms.lmao you really love making shit up about wind power because Trump hates it on the basis of facebook posts about it killing birds.BTW, that "mere football stadium full" can render parts of the US uninhabitable if its containers fail.
>>1471845In the end it's a good thing that Donald is dimwitted enough to say the quiet part out loud because maybe this time people will actually pay attention to the crazy shit their government does.
>>1471847>Nuclear waste is fineJust wait for the next plant to have a meltdown due to conservative deregulation and corporate greed and see how things go.>>1471849Even more pathetic, it looks like the reason trump kidnapped Maduro was because he mocked his dancing. He's that thin skinned and corrupt.
>>1471848>lmao you really love making shit up about wind power because Trump hates it on the basis of facebook posts about it killing birds.How much does that SoCal wind farm produce as of right now? And before you start with your bullshit, there is no plans to expand it, it is not half-way done. How much does it generate now?Actually, y'know what? Scratch that. I don't want you to answer another fucking question because you keep refusing to answer my last question:How much high-yield nuclear waste exists as of right now since the 1950s?When you answer this we'll move on.>BTW, that "mere football stadium full" can render parts of the US uninhabitable if its containers fail.That we've successfully contained since the 1950s. See your problem is you gave the game away when you referred to that waste as 'multiple ticking time bombs', which shows your mentality and the mentality of retarded Californians. Which is why they deserve to pay so much for electricity and can't have "high performance" gaming PCs shipped to that state because of the appliance law they passed. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.But I digress, answer the question I've asked like five times now.
>>1471851>Just wait for the next plant to have a meltdown due to conservative deregulation and corporate greed and see how things go.Yeah you keep worrying about that thing that never happens. I'll be over here paying stupidly-low prices for my reliable energy.
>>1471852>Screech screech screechYou're like a fucking baby.>WAAHHHHH, I WANT MY NUCLEAR POWER>ok but for now you can have wind power->NO I WANT MY NUCLEAR POWER NOW! NO WIND NO ANYTHING ELSE JUST NUKE NUKE NUKE!>But the wind power also makes power>NOOOO THEY'RE TOO BIG AND I. DON'T. LIKE. THEM!BTW those casks ARE ticking time bombs. One storm damages them and suddenly fallout is in the groundwater. Continue coping with "ohhhh we can just keep it in the casks. It's fine. There's only a little bit of it so making more will never cause any problems. Nothing bad has happened yet so nothing bad can ever happen".
>>1471852>>1471853Kinda funny how anon is so against improving nuclear storage even though one nuclear disaster would be enough to turn public opinion against his precious nuclear power for decades. You'd think he'd want it to be safer but nope.
>>1471853>Just don't worry about something that has happened multiple times in history May you get radiation poisoning
>>1471854>One storm damages them and suddenly fallout is in the groundwater.Then don't be retarded with their construction? You do know that Uranium naturally comes out of the ground, right retard?
Why do both of you guys keep arguing about nuclear storage and refuse to acknowledge that the countries which rely the most on wind & solar also have the highest electricity prices?Whether or not renewable energy is affordable influences whether or not they are "working"
>>1471862>refuse to acknowledge that the countries which rely the most on wind & solar also have the highest electricity prices?Because that isn't true at all. China has the most windpower in the world and has relatively low prices. Denmark has the most percentage of their power be wind yet has lower prices than Germany. Comparing which countries use the most windpower to their energy prices shows effectively zero correlation.>https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-country>https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wind-power-by-country
>>1471865China also has the most coal power plants in the world, and I would argue those are what are driving down the cost of electricity there.
>>1471856>Kinda funny how anon is so against improving nuclear storage>a thing I didn't sayHello Mr. Strawman.>>1471854>You're like a fucking baby.lol projecting hard as you're sperging out. Next step will be to claim you BTFOed me, despite still not answering simple questions that trapped you.>BTW those casks ARE ticking time bombs.And this is the real reason why you're against nuclear energy. Not because wind is better, but because you have an irrational fear of a resource we've used since before your parents were born without any problems. Hell even our boats use nuclear reactors and they haven't had one-single-incident ever.>b-but muh chernobyl retard slavs who can't into basic common sense
>>1471867>China also has the most coal power plants in the world, and I would argue those are what are driving down the cost of electricity there.Except China is actively reducing the % of their energy supply coming from coal and has been for decades. They're also building out wind and solar.Coal has gone from 86.85% in 1965 to 52.81% now. Wind+solar has gone from <1% in 2012 to 9.24% now.
>>1471405I would. There is no "taking over Venezuela", It's a jungle nation. Remember last time we did that shit??? Same hemisphere or no, as soon as they step into the jungle they're invisible. And every enemy we have including now Colombia and Brazil have a vested interest in this failing as hard as possible. how the fuck are we going to occupy anything when drones will be magically spawning out of the amazon fueled by misplaced patriotism and drug money?? Yeah we will "win" every engagement but as soon as we leave they will move in and now the cartels will have political interests on top of economic ones.
>>1471875>Remember last time we did that shit?Like in Panama in 1990 when HW Bush arrested president Noriega?That last time? Or are you talking about some other last time
>>1471885Do you really think you have a point? you know damn well I'm talking about Vietnam. And you being a snarky faggot isn't going to make the US army suddenly know every insurgents place inside the jungle through sheer patriotism and badassery. It's not going to make a nation that's predisposed to hate us suddenly compliant.
>>1471890I think Vietnam would go differently if we didn't have any boots on the ground, didn't have any military advisors, and picked up Ho Chi Minh as a drug lord who profited massively from selling Opium in the Golden Triangle.
>>1471894the cia thought vietnam would go differently when they offed diem and replaced him but it didn't
>>1471414Oh so your mil fag? Makes sense why you're retarded.
>>1471897Yeah sorry we can't all be as smart as the college "no kings" protesters demanding the release of a king.
>>1471901If you're going to make shit up then at least be creative about it. Have some fun. Say No Kings was about summoning demons or something.
>>1471396Venezuelans are glad even if faggots are mad.
>>1471894You're right about that, it would have gone a lot differently in that no one at all would have listened to anything we had to say.
>>1471902It probably was about summoning demons.Could've just been a collection of retards though.
>>1471901It do be like that
>>1471396and? what do you think china and russia were insterest in venezuela you clown?Anyway Trump bringing Maduro to nyc right after Mamdani was sworn in was such a flex, like “Go ahead and pull up that cuck chair son”
>>1471874>>1471865It's always nice to know there are some /news/men who show up with the facts to counter usual election tourist bullshit.
Kill yourselves
>>1471396What's the difference between this and the Panama Invasion of 1989?
>>1471943I don't know. What is the difference?
Imagine being in Venezuela right now feeling the slightest hope of freedom in 25 years and then turning on your TV to see some purple haired cunt who lived her entire live under the benefit of capitalism telling America to put your oppressor back in power.
>>1471943>What's the difference between this and the Panama Invasion of 1989?Panama declared war before we went in. Also, we stationed troops in the country and quickly forced new elections. Also, we weren't openly plotting to steal their natural resources.Comparing this shit and Panama is like comparing the feds killing MLK and Osama bin Laden.
>>1472014Oh yeah, Obama didn't seek or notify Congress before launching strikes into the sovereign nation of Pakistan, did he?
>>1472014>Panama declared war before we went in.Wait a damn minute though! Did we declare war?
>>1472059You do realize Obama doing something wrong doesn't mean Trump doing something wrong is alright?
>>1472087Yes it does. It's been the guiding principle of the Republican party since Nixon
>>1472086>Did we declare war?No? Did we need to? Military is allowed to respond to war before Congress. If China declared war while Congress wasn't in session, it wouldn't really make sense for the military to sit on its ass while DC gets nuked cause Congress didn't say the magic words yet.Key word being "respond". Venezuela hadn't engaged in hostilities with the US, nor declared war. Maduro was actively calling for peace.>>1472059>Oh yeah, Obama didn't seek or notify Congress before launching strikes into the sovereign nation of Pakistan, did he?Obama had an authorization for use of military force against Al-Qaeda from Congress.Did Trump have one for Venezuela?
>>1472096I thought the guiding principle of the Republican party was lie about the Dems doing something wrong and then use that as excuse to do a bunch of worse completely unrelated shit.
>>1472098>No? Did we need to?That's my point. We didn't need to declare war on Panama, per Article 2 the president (Bush at that time) could go in without congress saying so. Whether they declared war on us or not is irrelevant. Hell, if you want to make that argument then Iran just recently declared war on the US, Europe, and Israel. So that means we have a valid casus belli?
>>1471874You're doing a dodge here.You are saying they are reducing their percentage of energy supply coming from coal. You are ignoring that they are building more coal fired power plants, at least 1 a month is going up in China. But if they build 20 solar plants in a year and 12 coal power plants in a year, their percentage of energy made through coal is going down, even if the absolute number of coal power plants is going up.It's a precisely worded statement that misconstrues the situation
>>1472100>We didn't need to declare war on Panama, per Article 2Article 2 doesn't say the president can wage war whenever the fuck he wants.>Whether they declared war on us or not is irrelevant.Their declaration of war was literally the justification for action against them.You're putting the cart before the horse and then shooting the fucking horse.>Hell, if you want to make that argument then Iran just recently declared war on the US, Europe, and Israel.No, they didn't. Your source for that bullshit claim is an *interview* with the nation's *president* where he was explicitly *not* referring to military conflict.>In my opinion, we are in a full-fledged war with America, Israel, and Europe; they do not want our country to stand on its feet. This war is worse than Iraq’s war against us; if one understands it well, this war is far more complex and difficult than that war. In the war with Iraq, the situation was clear: they fired missiles, and I also knew where to hit. Here, they are besieging us from every aspect, they are putting us in difficulty and constraint, creating problems – in terms of livelihood, culturally, politically, and security-wise – while raising society's expectations. On one side, they block our sales, our exchanges, our trade, and on the other side, expectations in society have risen! Consequently, we must all help with all our might to fix the country.Also>In my opinionFuck off.Bit different than Panama's legislature declaring military hostilities against the US and Americans being killed.
>>1472103>You are ignoring that they are building more coal fired power plantsAnd you are ignoring that they are building coal power plants at an increasingly slower rate and what new construction there is is mostly financed by coal *mining* companies trying to create demand for their own product.The government itself has been moving away from coal.The moral of the story is that no matter the country, fossil fuel companies are the enemy.
>>1472100>>1472110Also, if Iran had actually declared war, that would be a valid casus belli. It would also not make this shit in Venezuela legal or give us a reason to invade Cuba.For a guy that I'm sure hates brown immigrants and poor people getting their tax dollars, you sure do want a lot of brown refugees.Maybe read literally any fucking history on the last century.
>>1472110Okay homie, you need to calm down a bit.>Article 2 doesn't say the president can wage war whenever the fuck he wants.Whether you want to use Article 2, War Powers Act, AUMF, or whatever random citation media is spouting today, the president can in fact wage war whenever and wherever the fuck he wants. It might be unpopular and congress might bitch about it, but he can invade Panama just as easily as he can invade Grenada, as easily as he can invade Vietnam, just as easily as he can invade Syria, and on and on I don't feel like naming every country in the world. How many conflicts have we been in the last 25 years without congressional approval? >Their declaration of war was literally the justification for action against them.So? We don't need a nation to declare war on us before invading them - else the Iraq invasion never would've happened. >No, they didn't."In my opinion, we are at total war with the United States, Israel and Europe." - Sounds like a war dec to me. Additional context is irrelevant, they just gave us the green light if we're going by the "you have to declare war before we can invade you" rule that doesn't exist.
>>1472112>It would also not make this shit in Venezuela legal or give us a reason to invade Cuba.Which are things we've done and afaik no president has gone to jail for. >For a guy that I'm sure hates brown immigrants and poor people getting their tax dollars, you sure do want a lot of brown refugees.lol where the fuck did this come from? You really need to calm down a bit, bro. You're projecting hard.>Maybe read literally any fucking history on the last century.Okay... Any other invasions the US was involved with that were illegal besides (possibly) Venezuela? Since you're the /his/ professor.
>>1472113>Whether you want to use Article 2YOU tried to use Article 2, dumbfuck. Don't make a legal argument you know is bullshit and then turn around and say legal arguments don't matter and we shouldn't care about the law. Just say you want daddy Trump to be a dictator if you feel that way in the first fucking place.> the president can in fact wage war whenever and wherever the fuck he wantsNot legally and I'd rather not throw out the Constitution just cause Trump wants to.>How many conflicts have we been in the last 25 years without congressional approval?Boots on the ground? 1. Venezuela. In fact, this is the first case since 1973 where we've put boots on the ground without Congressional approval or the other side initiating hostilities.>Panamadeclared war>GrenadaCalled for support under a defense treaty ratified by Congress>VietnamIllegal as fuck and literally the entire reason we have the War Powers Act now.>SyriaCongressional AUMF>So? We don't need a nation to declare war on us before invading them - else the Iraq invasion never would've happened.Congressional AUMF>context is irrelevantPlease stop making bullshit arguments. You don't even believe the bullshit you're saying and you aren't informed enough to get one over on anyone. The crux of your argument is just feelings so just say that shit. You're acting like a coward.
>>1472114>lol where the fuck did this come from?Not a denial.
>>1472121>Just say you want daddy Trump to be a dictator if you feel that way in the first fucking place.lol man you're pissed. I'm gonna let you chill for a few hours before I respond to the rest of your post. Do you need a Snickers?
>>1472126He's right you know.
>>1471396Venezuela is not a country, its a farce. The rights they have are the ones we give them.
>>1472110>Article 2 doesn't say the president can wage war whenever the fuck he wants.We're not at war. Venezuela surrendered as soon as the fighting began.
>>1472131>Venezuela surrenderedHow can they surrender if there wasn't war?
>>1472126>lol man you're pissedI will never understand why some people confuse cursing and anger. Genuinely must be sheltered fucks. Shame.
>>1472132They knew we were coming for Maduro and gave him up willingly.
>>1471396Maduro is the perfect fall guy in a blood oil corpo war. For hostile take overs it's a genius move.
Same as old story, same old script with Iraqi.
>>1472126>I'm gonna let you chill for a few hours before I respond to the rest of your post.And then he never came back cause he never had a comeback.
we need your oil
