https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/04/vance-venezuela-attack-fentanyl-00710281Vice President JD Vance on Sunday defended the Trump administration’s military operation in Venezuela and capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro as part of the efforts to reduce fentanyl trafficking into the U.S.His defense comes as some Republican lawmakers broach skepticism toward the White House’s use of the fentanyl crisis as a justification for the aggressive military intervention. The vast majority of fentanyl smuggled into the U.S. originates in Mexico and China, according to federal law enforcement.Vance pushed back on claims that the operation in Venezuela had "nothing to do with drugs" in a social media post on Sunday, arguing that combating drug trafficking in Venezuela aids the administration's broader response to the fentanyl crisis on multiple fronts.Vance claimed that some fentanyl does flow to the U.S. from Venezuela, but argued that cocaine trafficking from the country helps prop up cartels. Maduro was indicted on narcoterrorism charges and conspiracy to import cocaine upon his arrival in the U.S. on Saturday."Cocaine, which is the main drug trafficked out of Venezuela, is a profit center for all of the Latin America cartels," Vance wrote on X. "If you cut out the money from cocaine (or even reduce it) you substantially weaken the cartels overall. Also, cocaine is bad too!"
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), a frequent Trump administration critic who has opposed U.S. military actions abroad in the past, disputed that theory in a social media post and urged supporters of President Donald Trump to reject Vance’s argument."Wake up MAGA. VENEZUELA is not about drugs; it’s about OIL and REGIME CHANGE. This is not what we voted for," Massie wrote on social media on Sunday.Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), who is resigning from Congress on Monday following a schism with the president, said the Trump administration should be focused on Mexico if they’re serious about preventing the flow of fentanyl into the U.S."The majority of American fentanyl overdoses and deaths come from Mexico. Those are the Mexican cartels that are killing Americans," Greene told NBC’s "Meet the Press" on Sunday. "And so my pushback here is if this was really about narcoterrorists and about protecting Americans from cartels and drugs being brought into America, the Trump administration would be attacking the Mexican cartels."Vance defended the Trump administration’s response in Mexico while acknowledging that "a lot of fentanyl is coming out of Mexico," arguing the nation "continues to be a focus." He pointed to the president’s actions to restrict immigration via the southern border as a primary response to the flow of fentanyl from Mexico.
>>1472071Yes this totally makes sense and coincidentally also explains why we are going to steal their oil which is a byproduct of fentanyl production
>>1472071If they cared, they wouldn't have pardoned the other guy for smuggling hundreds of tons of drugs into the US.
>>1472071Do these fucking retards even know what fentanyl is?
>>1472071Shit like this is why I laugh every time people say Vance will become the next GOP leader if Trump's gone. He's a complete overly emotional idiot who can't manage the plausible deniability shit Trump pulls. Every time he makes a public statement he embarrasses himself.
>>1472071Drug addicts will just find some new way to get high.
>>1472071It is so fucking funny seeing Republicans go on and on about how we have a fentanyl crisis and we must do anything to stop it, then suddenly pivot to "...but you know what else is bad? Cocaine! That's the real concern."
>>1472081>Drug addicts will just find some new way to get high.I'm waiting for the day when I can put an electrode directly into my pleasure center and an IV of nutrients into my vein and sit there and slowly die over weeks in ecstasy Trump is a stupid man who really thinks they're eating cats and dogs whereas JD Vance knowingly lies and is an evil man who would do anything and say anything for power.... okay, Trump would do the same if he were cognizant
Yeah because fent comes from coca plants. Yeah.Vance sure is smarht.
Wow it sounds like the solution to all of America's problems was invading Venezuela.
>>1472081In this case they'll stick with their current supplier and fdntanyl because the drug Venezuela smuggles is coke, which primarily goes to Europe.
>>1472101Naah invading Venezuela was always part of Project 2025. Trump was talking about taking their oil a year ago before the election took place.https://www.project-syndicate.org/onpoint/trump-venezuela-invasion-defeats-us-constitution-by-stephen-holmes-2026-01>Political commentators also cut through the administration’s claims. Venezuela produces less than one percent of the world’s illegal drugs but holds the largest proven oil reserves on the planet. Project 2025 outlines U.S. interference in Venezuela’s government in multiple sections. Trump said months before the 2024 election that he wanted Venezuela to collapse so the United States could take its oil.
>>1472107Ok but Trump disavowed project 2025 so the fact that he's following it to the letter is pure coincidence
>>1472130Oh yeah I forgot he distanced himself from Project2025 while hiring the guy who created it to run the Office of Management and Budget. That must have been right after they renamed Project2025 to Agenda 47.
>>1472134Trump never endorsed Project 2025.His campaign manifesto was Agenda 47.While there are some similarities between the two, one is his manifesto, and the other was written by a think tank. It's like saying Biden hired people from the Brookings Institution as staffers, so this Brookings Institution policy paper is Biden's policy. The Heritage Foundation doesn't have very much influence in the Trump white house. Nor do their policy papers
>>1472143>The Heritage Foundation doesn't have very much influence in the Trump white house.There are multiple Heritage Foundation members in major positions in the Trump admin what the fuck are you talking about?
>>1472143He didn't have to endorse it to carry it out. >The Heritage Foundation doesn't have very much influence in the Trump white house. Nor do their policy papersNow this is the grade A cope denial I come here to see.
>>1472148>cope denialIt's called a red herring. Nobody on the rightwing cares about project 2025.
>>1472147Relative to what?Lael Brainard — longtime Brookings vice president / senior fellow before joining Biden’s economic team (NEC director).Hady Amr — nonresident senior fellow at Brookings before serving as Special Representative for Palestinian Affairs / deputy assistant secretary of state.https://www.brookings.edu/news/brookings-foreign-policy-experts-selected-to-join-biden-administration-in-leadership-roles/There are many "foreign policy experts" in major positions of the Biden white house who were members of the Brookings institution. But we don't talk about how Joe Biden was implementing their Blueprints for American Renewal, like we make claims that Trump is implementing the Heritage Foundations Project 2025.There are plenty of people on Biden's staff who have experience with the Council on Foreign Relations think tank. https://cdn.cfr.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Jake%20Sullivan%20bio.pdfJake Sullivan was a National Security advisor, and associated with the CFRhttps://cdn.cfr.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Susan%20E.%20Rice%20Bio.pdfSusan Rice, Director, Domestic Policy Council (formerly National Security Advisor). Tied to the CFR.https://www.cfr.org/event/conversation-usaid-administrator-samantha-power-building-economic-resilience-and-advancingThe head of USAID under Joe Biden, had connection to the CFRBut nobody said that Biden is beholden to the Council on Foreign Relations like they do Trump with the Heritage Foundation
>>1472071Trump already fucking said it was about oil, and Venezuela doesn't even make fentanyl.
>>1472156Wow cool. That doesn't change the fact the heritage foundation controls the white house.
>>1472162Did the Brookings institution and Council on Foreign Relations control the Biden white house?Why or why not?
>>1472165>Continues the whataboutism
>>1472149The entire Trump administration cares very deeply about it, including the Heritage Foundation minions Trump installed in the government. That's why they've enacted over half of it already in Trump's first year back.
>>1472165Did either of those thinktanks issue a 900+ policy directive designed 2 years before Biden became the president designed to completely reshape the government? No? I'll accept your concession.
>>1472166My argument is that Donald Trump is held to standards that other presidents are not.Biden had plenty of people who worked at foreign policy think tanks in his administration, but nobody made the argument that he was beholden to those think tanks.I presented links proving that various staffers at high levels of Biden's administration had ties to these think tanks. You are saying this is "whataboutism". I would like your help. How would you phrase this argument so it was not considered "whataboutism"?
>>1472172>Biden had plenty of people who worked at foreign policy think tanks in his administration, but nobody made the argument that he was beholden to those think tanks.Yeah because they didn't post a fucking blueprint for their future government that Biden followed to a tee.
>>1472169Yes, actuallyhttps://www.brookings.edu/blueprints-for-american-renewal-and-prosperity/The Brookings Blueprints for American Renewal & Prosperity project>Brookings’s Blueprints for American Renewal & Prosperity will release throughout the months of December 2020, January 2021, and February 2021 across all Brookings communication channels.They worked on it for 2 years.It was designed to reshape Racial Justice and Worker Mobility, Economic Growth and Dynamism, International Security, Governance and Climate and resilience
>>14721561. Ideology and Mission The Heritage Foundation is explicitly partisan. Its mission is to promote conservative public policies based on free enterprise, limited government, and traditional American values. It is often described as the "intellectual powerhouse" of the American conservative movement and has had a profound influence on Republican administrations, notably Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump.The Council on Foreign Relations prides itself on being nonpartisan. Its goal is to provide a forum for high-level discussion among world leaders, CEOs, and scholars to find common ground on global issues. While critics sometimes label it "establishment" or "globalist," its membership includes people from across the political spectrum.2. Scope of Work Heritage covers the full spectrum of government. While they have a strong national defense wing, much of their energy goes toward domestic issues like tax reform, education, healthcare, and judicial appointments. CFR is strictly focused on foreign policy. They do not weigh in on domestic American debates (like school choice or social issues) unless they directly impact the U.S. role in the world or the global economy.3. Membership vs. Advocacy Heritage functions as a massive research and marketing machine. It seeks to mobilize the public and influence legislation directly through its lobbying arm, Heritage Action for America. It is funded largely by individual donors and conservative foundations.CFR is a "membership organization." Getting in is competitive and requires a nomination. Its primary value is its network—bringing together the "inner circle" of the foreign policy establishment to talk behind closed doors (often using the "Chatham House Rule" to ensure privacy).
>>1472173But Donald Trump didn't follow Project 2025 to a teeHe followed Agenda 47 to a teehttps://www.donaldjtrump.com/platformAgenda 47 was his campaign manifesto. Written by his campaign.https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/11/promises-made-promises-kept-one-year-later/When he talks about his accomplishments, and the promises he kept, the source of those promises is Agenda 47. He doesn't recognize project 2025 because that's not the policy
>>1472176 Heritage is unapologetically conservative. It operates as a mission-driven organization dedicated to "building an America where freedom, opportunity, prosperity, and civil society flourish." It is a primary driver of the Republican party's policy agenda (such as the Mandate for Leadership).Brookings describes itself as nonpartisan and independent. While it is often labeled "liberal" or "center-left" by conservatives, it is more accurately described as the voice of the political establishment. Its work is often cited by both parties, though its scholars' personal donations and past government service lean heavily Democratic.2. Method: Advocacy vs. Scholasticism Heritage pioneered the "Advocacy Tank" model. They believe that for an idea to matter, it must be short, punchy, and delivered to a congressperson’s desk right before a vote. Their papers are designed to be "marketed" to the public and politicians.Brookings follows an academic model. Their research is often peer-reviewed and published as thick books or extensive reports. They value "scholastic rigor" and empirical data, often taking months or years to reach a conclusion.3. Relationship with Government Heritage is often "anti-establishment" even when Republicans are in power. They frequently criticize the GOP from the right to ensure the party stays true to conservative principles. Brookings is the quintessential "revolving door" for the Executive Branch. When a Democrat is in the White House, Brookings scholars often leave to take high-level Cabinet positions; when the administration changes, those officials return to Brookings to write their memoirs and policy critiques.
>>1472179>Trump didn't follow Project 2025 to a teeAre you sure? It seems like he has.https://www.project2025.observer/en
>>1472182https://www.ft.com/content/311ee754-daa7-459c-aa22-f7ab25bce40ePaul Dans, director of Project 2025, stepped down on Tuesday after Donald Trump’s campaign distanced itself from the group’s 900-plus page policy framework to remodel the federal government.Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita, senior advisers to the Trump campaign, celebrated Dans’ departure and issued a warning to other groups that claim to speak for Trump.“Project 2025 had nothing to do with the campaign, did not speak for the campaign, and should not be associated with the campaign or the President in any way,” wrote Wiles and LaCivita in a joint statement.“Reports of Project 2025’s demise would be greatly welcomed and should serve as notice to anyone or any group trying to misrepresent their influence with President Trump and his campaign — it will not end well for you.”https://x.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1816169208470028590>I have nothing to do with, and know nothing about, Project 25. The fact that I do is merely disinformation put out by the Radical Left Democrat Thugs. Do not believe them! DJT
>>1472071That is absolute kino op. You got a 'box link with audio?
>>1472188>Vought played a major role in the creation of Project 2025, a collection of conservative and right-wing policy proposals from The Heritage Foundation to reshape the United States federal government and consolidate executive power.[44][45] The Center for Renewing America was listed as a member of the Project 2025 advisory board.[46] Project 2025 includes proposals to reclassify tens of thousands of merit-based federal civil service workers as political appointees in order to replace them with Trump loyalists,[47][48] which was outlined in the 920-page Mandate for Project 2025, published in April 2023.[49] Vought wrote that presidential staff and, through the National Security Council, all general and flag officers should be reviewed and purged if necessary to advance the new president's agenda.[50]>On November 23, 2024, President-elect Donald Trump announced that he would renominate Vought as director of the OMB for his second term as president.[55] Vought was able to take the plans he developed in Project 2025 with him to the OMB where they could be executed.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought
>>1472168>The entire Trump administration cares very deeply about itNobody's talking about it except for you.
>>1472193They don't have to talk about it publicly to enact it. In fact they talk about it as little as possible because they know how unpopular it is.
>>1472192Dans is known as the "architect of Project 2025",[14] which he led as director from the political initiative’s launch in April 2022 until August 2024.[15] Dans described the project as "systematically preparing to march into office and bring a new army [of] aligned, trained, and essentially weaponized conservatives ready to do battle against the deep state".[16]In 2023, Dans stated that Project 2025 had a "great" relationship with President Trump,[17][better source needed] despite clashing with the 2024 Trump campaign team.[18]On July 30, 2024, Dans announced he was stepping down from his position as Director of Project 2025 at the Heritage Foundation in the wake of public criticism from President Trump.[19] In a statement, Heritage stated that the decision to part ways was mutual and due to strategic differences, clarifying reports that Dans had been terminated over issues of alleged misconduct.[20] Days before Dans stepped down, he appeared on a podcast run by Tenet Media, a company that was found to have received funding from Russia Today and was ultimately used to promote Russian propaganda.[21] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Danshttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/09/us/politics/project-2025-trump-dans.html>Former Project 2025 Leader Accuses Trump Campaign Advisers of ‘Malpractice’>The remarks from Paul Dans, the former director of the policy initiative, revealed discontent on the right about what some see as a pivot to the center.
>>1472196So they published this entire thing online but they don't want to draw attention to it?Do you hear yourself.
>>1472071>Also, cocaine is bad too!"I disagree. Crack is the only way I manage to stay awake after smoking the crappy fent-cut heroin I score from the other homeless staunch Democrats on my street
>>1472193>Nobody's talking about itI'm pretty sure you can google it and find huge numbers of people all over the world talking about it, mostly calling it undemocratic, authoritarian, and probably illegal.>The project's intent to abolish federal departments and agencies "is to destroy the legal and governance cultures of liberal democracy and create new bureaucratic structures, staffed by new politically vetted cadres, to support autocratic rule"That's from the wikipedia page.
>>1472198lolhttps://www.afge.org/article/new-trump-administration-packed-with-project-2025-architects/>>1472199Do you hear the bleeting of the MAGA sheep ITT denying it's a real thing, and then denying it has any influence after being called out? Oh wait you're one of them.
>>1472200Where do you people get these weird strawmen from? (as if it isn't twitter and truth social)
>>1472199The only reason it was brought up in this thread is because regime change in Venezuela was part of it. Keep in mind it was written in 2023.
>>1472204Maduro had a warrant out for his arrest since 2020.>>1472202>Oh wait you're one of them.It's not radical enough for me, I don't give a shit.
>>1472209>Maduro had a warrant out for his arrest since 2020.Did the US have a seizure warrant for all of Venezuela's oil since 2020 too?
>>1472209>>1472204Technically project 2025 is just a renamed plan from the 1980s. The original name was The Mandate for Leadership.
>>1472209>It's not radical enough for meNot enough ethnic cleansing for you?
>>1472214No mass deportations. The admin is winning me over though. In December they seriously considered giving American citizens letters of Marque.If trump allows me to be a fucking pirate then he has my consent to do whatever he wants.
>>1472215Just curious what you think you would be doing with a letter of marque. Would you buy a boat and patrol the coastline looking for illegal migrants?
>>1472215>considered giving American citizens letters of Marque>If trump allows me to be a fucking piratewhere did it say that they'd also be giving them out to non-citizens?
>>1472172>My argument is that Donald Trump is held to standards that other presidents are notWhen the right-wing Daily Mail referred to Biden - the day after he was elected - as the 'Voice of reason and sanity': especially after what had happened before him, and by that elected in 2016, why shouldn't Trump be held to infinitely higher standards?>>1472145Especially now.
>>1472200Same here
>>1472130>trump lied>againWhat's it like being played for a sucker by trump, again?
>>1472165>This massive whataboutism to defend the heritage foundation and projection 2025 dragging the US into Iraq 2.0Good to know you're russian puppet too.
>>1472149Your a lying faggot. Kill yourself you contradicting fuck
>>1472317Get deported, faggot.
Fentanoil
>>1472252Do you know the reputation of The Daily Mail in Britain?When people think of the Daily Mail, the first words that come to mind are not "Right-wing".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#ReliabilityIn February 2017, after a formal community discussion, editors on the English Wikipedia banned the use of the Daily Mail as a source, in most cases.[250][251][252] Its use as a reference is now "generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist",[253][250] and it can no longer be used as proof of notability.[250] The Daily Mail can still be used as a source in an about-self fashion, when the Daily Mail itself is the subject of discussion.[255][256] Support for the ban centered on "the Daily Mail's reputation for poor fact checking, sensationalism, and flat-out fabrication".[253][250][251] Some users opposed the decision, arguing that it is "actually reliable for some subjects" and "may have been more reliable historically."[257] The Daily Mail thus became the first deprecated source.[252]Wikipedia's ban of the Daily Mail generated a significant amount of media attention, especially from the British media.[256] Though the Daily Mail strongly contested this decision by the community, Wikipedia's co-founder Jimmy Wales backed the community's choice, saying: "I think what [the Daily Mail has] done brilliantly in this ad funded world, they've mastered the art of clickbait, they've mastered the art of hyped-up headlines. They've also mastered the art of—I'm sad to say—of running stories that simply aren't true. And that's why Wikipedia decided not to accept them as a source anymore. It's very problematic, they get very upset when we say this, but it's just fact."[258] A February 2017 editorial in The Times on the decision said: "Newspapers make errors and have the responsibility to correct them. Wikipedia editors' fastidiousness, however, appears to reflect less a concern for accuracy than dislike of the Daily Mail's opinions."[259]
>>1472349>Not fact based So right wing.
Hey guys I'm just bumping the thread to see if the US recovered any of the fentanyl that's was headed to Miami? My shipment was due last week and it never came.
>>1472334Can't im not brown like you
