>>1482891

“This change would give the experienced judges in our communities more discretion to make decisions based on the unique facts of each case. As the General Assembly session continues, I look forward to working with my colleagues to pass this legislation and promote fairer outcomes in our justice system.”

However, law enforcement experts are pushing back against the bill while expressing concerns about how the possibility of more lenient sentencing could impact victims of violent crimes.

“From a law enforcement standpoint, I think police generally want offenders to be held accountable, and frustration among law enforcement officers grows when individuals are released quickly and subsequently re-offend – and even more so if it involved a violent felony,” law enforcement expert Josh Ederheimer told Fox News Digital. I think that also tracks the thinking of many members of the public. I think there is more tolerance for flexibility for minor offenses.

Ederheimer, an assistant professor at the University of Virginia’s Center for Public Safety and Justice and a retired law enforcement officer, went on to explain that police typically understand unique circumstances that can point to a defendant receiving a lesser sentence, but frustration still exists surrounding more serious crimes.

“For violent felonies, however, the biggest practical concern is that the defendant will re-offend, and that the public is not alerted or aware that the defendant has returned to the community. It’s an accountability concern that falls on the shoulders of judges and prosecutors.”

The proposed bill would allow courts to hand down sentences based on the individual facts of each case, rather than statutory mandates implemented by the state’s government. However, it does not impact maximum penalties in such cases.

>>1482892

Ederheimer further explained that the bill could have a negative impact on victims and their families regarding accountability for violent offenders.

“I think that the police and public alike have expectations that convicted criminals will be held accountable, and that full sentences should be served,” Ederheimer said. “Mandatory minimums assure victims – and the community – that a convicted person will serve their sentence.”

“It is the circumstance when convicted felons are released early that victims may feel a sense of betrayal or that justice was not served. That’s the dilemma.”

The bill is set to be reviewed by the House and Senate Justice Committees, where it will likely be amended.

However, Ederheimer added that mandatory minimum sentences may not actually encourage violent offenders not to commit crimes, further adding to the complex balance of maintaining justice and community safety.

“From a law enforcement perspective, I don’t think mandatory minimums serve as a deterrent,” Ederheimer told Fox News Digital. “I think that largely defendants are not focused on repercussions at the time of their offense.”

>>1482891
>The proposed bill would allow courts to hand down sentences based on the individual facts of each case, rather than statutory mandates implemented by the state’s government.
This is the important part

>According to Jason Miyares, the former Republican attorney general, House Bill 863 includes proposals to effectively eliminate minimum sentencing for manslaughter, rape, possession and distribution of child pornography, assaulting a law enforcement officer and other repeat violent felonies.
This is low effort bait sourced from a retard who got voted out and doesn't know what they're talking about

I'm sure shills will start gaslighting about how democrats secretly love pedophiles to distract from the Epstein files soon

>>1482897
>This is the important part
indeed it is. democrats want to bypass minimum sentencing and allow activist judges to let criminals off without penalty.

>>1482897
First post best post
Just another NYPost liefest designed to rile up gullible morons against Democrats

why are democrats protecting pedophiles?

>>1482906
Brown people are pedophiles, and they want to protect brown people, so they are stuck protecting the pedophiles.
KBJ did the same shit with pedos owning videos of kids getting raped. Gave them the absolute minimum sentence whenever possible and sympathized with the perps because they were black.

>>1482907
How does getting rid of mandatory minimums protect pedophiles? How long has it been since the epstien files were supposed to be released?

>>1482897
>This is the important part
Yeah that doesn't make this any better or lower my concern. Why the fuck would you get rid of minimum sentences for CP, rape, murder, etc.? Like why? Why is this a good thing? Sell me on this idea.

>>1482915
>How does getting rid of mandatory minimums protect pedophiles?
Because they can now get a sentence that is lower than the minimum? Duh?

>How long has it been since the epstien files were supposed to be released?
How many fucking times do we have to have this whataboutism? Let's just grant that everyone in our government is a fucking pedo. Fine, whatever. How in the name of Christ is this a good idea to let future pedos get a lesser sentence than the current minimum? How does this make us safer? How is this a good thing?

Am I the only sane fucking person left on this board?

>>1482918
>How does getting rid of mandatory minimums protect pedophiles?
>Because they can now get a sentence that is lower than the minimum? Duh?

>How long has it been since the epstien files were supposed to be released?
>How many fucking times do we have to have this whataboutism? Let's just grant that everyone in our government is a fucking pedo. Fine, whatever.

I like how you can post both of these and not see the point right in front of your eyes from your own words.

Waiting a mandatory amount of time in prison with other men isn't going to cure someone of being a pedo. What they need is real help if you intend to do something that doesn't involve killing them, which clearly no one gives a shit about doing, after all they're letting them rule the country in a complete open secret to everybody. So if you're going to let them rule over your life you should at least accept that the people you're putting away are committing a crime that you need to create actual guidelines to solving other than "Put them away for more time" which doesn't cure a sexual fetish or cure the mentality of distributing or consuming the material in the first place.

The fact you even say "Ok I'm ruled by satanic pedophiles, SO???" while also saying Democrats are protecting and making excuses for pedophiles shows that you don't really care about the crime, you really just want something to be done but aren't willing to think about what would actually solve this problem or address it. Arguably, looking at pictures should be treated as a thought crime treated with mandatory psychological help unless there's violent offense associated with it.

>>1482920
No it's worse than that, he's genuinely too stupid to hold both things in his head at once. He's fine with being ruled by Pedos but wants to LARP as being tough on them so he doesn't have to address the fact that he voted for one, probably multiple, and follows his will down to the letter.

>>1482917
Why do you think Democrats are getting rid of minimum sentences for those crimes? They're not

>>1482920
>What they need is real help
What they need to do is never commit any crimes ever again. Long prison sentences delay their return to society and gives them time to mature and correct their behavior before being released. Also prison is a punishment.

>>1482920
>Waiting a mandatory amount of time in prison with other men isn't going to cure someone of being a pedo.
Prison isn't a fucking hospital. It's not designed to cure criminals of whatever makes them commit crimes. It's a punishment and a deterrent: you do bad shit to kids, you're going into this concrete box.

>What they need is real help if you intend to do something that doesn't involve killing them,
Not my fucking call. Were it up to me, they would be lined up and shot.

>which clearly no one gives a shit about doing, after all they're letting them rule the country in a complete open secret to everybody.
And I'm not fucking happy about that, nor am I happy with Trump about that. Unfortunately, this is the government we have. That doesn't mean we should just toss out the fucking rule and make child rape okay because some powerful assholes who run the world found a way to get away with it. The exception doesn't make the rule.

I can't help it that they're too powerful to be held accountable, so powerful in fact that they have their own secret loli island. But I sure as fuck can control what happens to the creepy IT redditor down the street.

>which doesn't cure a sexual fetish or cure the mentality of distributing or consuming the material in the first place.
Which I don't care about at all. I'm not about fixing them beyond a 9mm lobotomy.

>The fact you even say "Ok I'm ruled by satanic pedophiles, SO???"
That doesn't equal my acceptance.

>while also saying Democrats are protecting
When did I say the word "Democrats"?

>you really just want something to be done but aren't willing to think about what would actually solve this problem or address it.
Here's my solution: Take the current minimum and DOUBLE IT.

>Arguably, looking at pictures should be treated as a thought crime
My fucking brother in Christ, you are so wrong. How did that picture get made?


All of my sperging aside, none of this explains how we're safer with these minimums taken away.

>>1482918
You are the one strawmaning the argument. Eliminating mandatory minimums will not result in pedophiles getting less time, that is a fucking moronic thing to say, no judge is going to want to appear light on pedophilia.

You are a fucking lunatic, worried about imaginary pedophiles getting short sentences while a confirmed pedophile and drifter destroys the country's future.

>>1482891
So some guy named jason is lying. Right.

>>1482941
>You are the one strawmaning the argument.
Oh? Tell me more.

>Eliminating mandatory minimums will not result in pedophiles getting less time,
That's literally what you're doing. You're allowing a pedo - or a rapist, murder, etc. because there's other crimes being considered - to have the option to get less than the minimum sentence. That's the whole fucking point of a minimum sentence, where you do X crime and AT A MINIMUM you serve Y time. Get rid of the MINIMUM means you can now be sentenced to less than the MINIMUM. How the fuck is that a strawman?

I really must be the only sane person on /news/.

>no judge is going to want to appear light on pedophilia.
And yet it happens all the fucking time.

>You are a fucking lunatic,
Okay yeah. I'm the lunatic. Sure. Because I want to keep mandatory sentences for some of the worst crimes in this country, no clearly I'm the fucking crazy person here. Yup. Mhm.

>worried about imaginary pedophiles getting short sentences
Which is what this bill will allow.

>while a confirmed pedophile and drifter destroys the country's future.
Without that list being released, nothing is confirmed - and I'm faulting both dems and republicans for that because neither one of them released that fucking list because they're all involved. Regardless, you keep bringing this up to distract from the actual conversation of how fucking insane it is to remove mandatory minimum sentences for these crimes. So let's say hypothetically this list was released the day after this bill passes. How is letting any of them get a sentence lower than the current minimum (which would be removed) help?

I'm still waiting on an answer.

>>1482941
>Eliminating mandatory minimums will not result in pedophiles getting less time
then what is the purpose of removing mandatory minimums, specifically?

>>1482903
>>1482897
This, don't forget the NYpost is owned by foreign agents who are anti-American too.

>>1482956
https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/HB863
oh wow here's the bill, exactly as described.

>>1482966
we all better watch out for repeat offenders selling imported cigarettes in Virigina
imported cigarettes are going to destroy that state, and when it happens we'll know democrats are behind it

>>1482966
>>1482966
Democrats don't care about facts, it's why they have such a high rate of mental illness. Twice the rate of the general population, in fact

>>1482966
They seriously took the current laws and just drew a fucking line through all mentions of "mandatory minimum"
>the punishment shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of 25 years; or
Fucking 4chan won't show the line through "mandatory minimum", too much coding required I guess, but seriously?

>>1482968
>i'm too lazy to read more than a paragraph before getting tired

>>1482968
you must've missed this section:
>§ 18.2-374.1. Production, publication, sale, financing, etc., of child pornography; presumption as to age
you're literally defending pedos, kek. libs deserve to suffer

>>1482973
>oh no, anon isn't buying into my shill thread

>>1482975
>immediately searched for pedophilia
good thing you don't live in Virginia, if you're this dumb you'd probably rape some poor kid immediately thinking you'd get away with it

>>1482979
notice how you can't refute anything. you just resort to incoherent babbling.

>>1482969
And repugs are repressed homosexuals who constantly project about things like mental illness.

>>1482980
>haha, caught you by pointing out removing ALL mandatory minimums includes removing mandatory minimums for pedophilia
yawn
go back to the thread pretending an american deserved to be executed

>>1482968
Let's see what else is on the list shall we?
The following will have their minimum sentences removed
>Illegal sale of alcoholic beverages in general;
> Violation of protective orders
> Involuntary manslaughter
> Gang activity taking place in a gang-free zone (lmao!!!!!!)
> Malicious bodily injury to first responders
> The use of a firearm during the commission of a felony
> Assault and battery
> Rape (pro-rape democrats ftw!)
> Forcible sodomy
> Object sexual penetration
> Felony sexual assault
> Shooting at trains cars or other vehicles
> Identity theft
> Drug manufacturer with the intent to sell
>Drug smuggling
> Meth manufacturing
> Selling drugs to minors ( stay classy, democrats!)
> DUI with prior conviction
> Possession of firearms on school grounds
> Firearm smuggling by convicted felon
> Production or financing of child pornography (stay classy yet again, Democrats!)
>Distribution of child pornography (dems must have fought hard for this)

>>1482982
so in the last several hours, you've outed yourself as both a troon and a pedo. that follows

>>1482982
>>haha, caught you by pointing out removing ALL mandatory minimums includes removing mandatory minimums for pedophilia

>>1482983 really ran right into it

go call your congressmen in Virginia
I'm sure they'll get right on not taking non-resident non-citizens retard takes seriously

>>1482983
libs will look at this and be like
>yep, we're the good guys

>>1482988
>ALL mandatory minimums includes removing mandatory minimums for pedophilia
uh... do you actually not understand what removing minimum sentencing means? do you think removing minimums allows the court to grant lighter or heavier sentencing?

>>1482995
i think he realized he failed to understand basic concepts and ran away. KWAB
liberals in a nutshell

>>1482983
Virginia is on a role doing some of the most retarded progressive shit in the country to curry favor with minority groups.
https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/HB61
>In addition, the bill provides for a small SWaM business set-aside for executive branch agency and covered institution purchases of goods, services, and construction, requiring that purchases up to $100,000 be set aside for award to certified small SWaM businesses.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title2.2/chapter16.1/section2.2-1604/
>"SWaM" means small, women-owned, or minority-owned or related to a small, women-owned, or minority-owned business.
Basically any government award (contract) under $100,000 is now only set aside to be awarded to minority and women-owned businesses. If you're white and male, you can't receive a contract under that $100,000 amount purely on the basis of race.

>>1483002
No, they (you) just self BTFO and didn't need any response, lmao

>>1482995
>do you think removing minimums allows the court to grant lighter or heavier sentencing?
just lmao

>>1483007
>if i pretend to be wining no one will notice i'm retarded
sorry anon, we all noticed. this is really embarrassing for you

>>1483009
Sorry that America is becoming less like your third world country by removing mandatory minimums
Feel free to use the rest of this thread to pretend to be Americans and that this will somehow cause criminals to go free

>>1483011
you literally didn't understand what minimum sentencing meant. you're actually retarded and everyone's laughing at you.

>>1483011
>support pedos or you're not American!
lol

>>1483011
>Sorry that America is becoming less like your third world country by removing mandatory minimums
How does removing mandatory minimums improve America?

>>1482966
Where's the problem? Or you that worried about pedophiles like trump getting more time than the old mandatory sentencing which is why republicans are so desperate to sink this bill?

>>1482948
It's a strawman because you're leaving out that sentencing will be left to judge's discretion, you obtuse dipshit.

Removing a minimum is not enforcing sentences less than the previous minimum. You don't need me to explain this to you, you are willfully ignorant at this point.

You must be really desperate for social interaction to be such a needy little cunt demanding a reply. you should take your psyche meds and maybe you can be a little less socially repulsive, and maybe make a friend.

>>1483023
Not him... how does getting rid of the mandatory minimum sentencing equal more time?

I'm seriously about to rage-quit /news/. You people are fucking retarded.

>>1483027
Means you can have less, or get this, more time.
But given you're pro pedophile, that's a bad thing for you and trump.

>>1483024
>It's a strawman because you're leaving out that sentencing will be left to judge's discretion, you obtuse dipshit.
Yeah and now the judge has the option to give a lesser sentence, you obtuse dipshit. What the fuck was stopping the judge from giving higher than the minimum before? Nothing? Great, now that we've established that that part hasn't changed, and judges have always had the MAXIMUM option... how does getting rid of the MINIMUM increase the chances of a judge giving a harsher sentence?

>Removing a minimum is not enforcing sentences less than the previous minimum.
That's exactly what the fuck it does, you're giving the judge the option, the ability, to enforce a sentence less than the previous minimum (which btw, there is no other minimum after this. There's no previous minimum, there is just the minimum that is being deleted by this bill. Fuck your wordplay).

>You don't need me to explain this to you, you are willfully ignorant at this point.
No you just can't fucking defend this shit and have to resort to ad hom, because there's no argument you could possibly give that justifies this bill. It's why you're crashing out in your third line.

>>1483030
>Means you can have less,
Thank you for acknowledging that.
>or get this, more time.
Which was already an option. How does getting rid of the minimum change this?

>But given you're pro pedophile, that's a bad thing for you and trump.
Again, can't argue so attack the person. Typical.

>>1483030
Here let me try some fucking math to help you understand this simple concept:

Let's say, hypothetically, that child rape had a minimum of 10 years and a maximum of 30 years in jail.

Minimum = 10
Maximum = 30

Following along so far?

So if I get rid of the minimum sentence, I'm left with just the maximum.

Minimum = 0
Maximum = 30

So how in the fuck does getting rid of the minimum increase the chances that a judge will give higher sentences OR increase the maximum which remains fixed at 30?

Holy fuck.

>>1483036
>judges can give the exact same punishments they gave to pedophiles before this bill
>this makes me extremely angry!
lmao, what a faggot

>>1483044
>>judges can give the exact same punishments they gave to pedophiles before this bill
OR they can now give a lower sentence ... because the minimum is gone with this bill.

>>1482927
>Long prison sentences delay their return to society
It makes them into having the same sentences as violent offenders. Which is ridiculous for what is effectively a thought crime.

>>1482938
>Prison isn't a fucking hospital. It's not designed to cure criminals of whatever makes them commit crimes. It's a punishment and a deterrent: you do bad shit to kids, you're going into this concrete box.
And here we see the problem with American thinking in general.

It's literally called "CORRECTIONS". The purpose of prison is to be a punishment and a corrections institute. You don't correct bad behavior that exists in the mind when it's a mental health problem and it's not a violent offense.

Your post is literally just "Let's just kill everyone who does a heckin' hate thought, that'll teach em".

The fact you even say "Ok I'm ruled by satanic pedophiles, SO???" while also saying Democrats are protecting and making excuses for pedophiles shows that you don't really care about the crime, you really just want something to be done but aren't willing to think about what would actually solve this problem or address it.

>Here's my solution: Take the current minimum and DOUBLE IT.
Thanks for proving my point: You're either too dumb or unwilling to think about this problem for more than a second past "Pedos bad, but I can be ruled by them just fine. I'll even vote for them again".

>>1483044
And this just proves my point further: You're not just unwilling to think about it, you're also extremely bad at math.

>>1482983
What the fuck, Virginia...
Why are Democrats so pro-crime?
This shit needs to stop

>>1482983
>Production or financing of child pornography
>Distribution of child pornography
Why am I not surprised Democrats removed minimum sentences for these crimes.

>>1483048
>And here we see the problem with American thinking in general.
Oh boy here we go.

>It's literally called "CORRECTIONS". The purpose of prison is to be a punishment and a corrections institute.
You'd have a point if the bill also included some of that therapy and spa day crap you Eurocucks love, but spoiler alert: it doesn't.

>Your post is literally just "Let's just kill everyone who does a heckin' hate thought, that'll teach em".
Hate thought? Hate thought. Distributing child porn or fucking a child is a "hate thought"? No wonder you people let your 12 year old daughters get whored out in the streets by Muslim grooming gangs.

>The fact you even say "Ok I'm ruled by satanic pedophiles, SO???"
Which I didn't say. That was your own dumb strawman. Nice try.

> you really just want something to be done but aren't willing to think about what would actually solve this problem or address it.
And yet you acknowledge that I gave you a solution in your next line.

>Thanks for proving my point:
The point being that pedos should be getting the opposite of what this bill does.

>"Pedos bad, but I can be ruled by them just fine. I'll even vote for them again".
Again, keep deflecting to the Epstein files instead of explaining how this bill helps Americans. Notice how you couldn't address the hypothetical of how this bill would be applied to those same politicians if they went to jail the day after this bill passes.

>>1483050
we know you're one of the retards that zero tolerance was created for, but above average IQs don't need it

>>1483059
its weird that republicunts are projecting that pedophiles are going to be let free after they literally let multiple pedophiles free

>>1483030
>libs don't understand the difference between minimum and maximum
holy fuck you people are so fucking dumb. no wonder you vote democrat

>>1483064
not really, they have to distract from the fact that they're terrorists who murder citizens

>>1482897
They'll promote this until the 1st white criminal gets time served for murdering a black person

It's like they forgot their own rhetoric of disproportionate sentencing based on race

libs itt admitting to supporting CP and also accidentally revealing that they can't engage with basic concepts like minimum/maximum. epic thread

>>1483031
Crashing out in the third line? You're just regurgitating the same insults back, padding for length the same way you compensate for your tiny dick. You are either misusing words deliberately or not smart enough to understand what simple terms like enforce mean. At this point I'm only here to marvel at a mental midget.

>>1483066
That one's on your side, fascist pedo, you right wing nuts need better ai

>>1483074
The difference is I actually had valid arguments beyond 'durr ur a bad person' and asked questions you still can't answer, such as how does getting rid of the MINIMUM increase the chances of a judge giving a harsher sentence?

I even broke it down mathematically in another post, but instead of answering that question or addressing the obvious flaw in this bill, you'd rather make comments about my cock size.

Let me know when you finally come up with a good argument for how eliminating the minimum sentence increases the chance of a judge giving a harsher sentence than before, or how this makes America safer.

>>1483083
As fun as it is to watch your dumb ass struggle with basic math, this isn't algebra.

I literally did answer this, you just aren't smart enough to understand the explanation.

This isn't going to result in violent criminals getting shorter sentences, the only people in the justice system who are willing to even appear sympathetic to pedophiles have an (R) next to their name.

How does it increase the chances of them giving a harsher sentence? Harsher than the previous minimum? It doesn't, that isn't the goal, that's another strawman. the goal is to not dole out draconian punishment arbitrarily, that won't apply to pedophiles in spite of your fixation on them. Nothing about this reduces the maximum sentence, which would validate your arguments.

There's dozens of good arguments here already, again you're just too deliberately thick brained to engage with them, so making fun of your tiny penis while my GF makes dinner feels like an infinitely better use of my time.

>>1483092
>This isn't going to result in violent criminals getting shorter sentences
nta but that is the entire purpose of eliminating sentencing requirements.

>>1483092
>This isn't going to result in violent criminals getting shorter sentences,
How do you know? You've yet to explain how removing the barrier to shorter sentence does not mean they'll receive shorter sentences.

> the only people in the justice system who are willing to even appear sympathetic to pedophiles have an (R) next to their name.
Ever heard of R Kelly? How many kids did he have to fuck before Chicago finally made an arrest warrant... Last I checked that was democrat-controlled territory.

>How does it increase the chances of them giving a harsher sentence?
It doesn't.
>Harsher than the previous minimum?
It doesn't.
>It doesn't,
Thank you!

>that isn't the goal, that's another strawman.
Oh?

>the goal is to not dole out draconian punishment arbitrarily, that won't apply to pedophiles in spite of your fixation on them.
And you know this how?

>Nothing about this reduces the maximum sentence, which would validate your arguments.
Going back to the math post, the maximum doesn't change but the minimum does.

Here's another hypothetical, that you can't engage with because it wrecks your argument:
Imagine this bill passes.
Now imagine the Epstein list comes out the day after.
Now imagine Trump gets arrested and sentenced in Virginia somehow.
Now thanks to this bill it's possible - without a mandatory minimum sentence - he could get 2 days in jail for child rape.

Is that acceptable to you?

>
There's dozens of good arguments here already, again you're just too deliberately thick brained to engage with them, so making fun of your tiny penis while my GF makes dinner feels like an infinitely better use of my time.
Translation: you have no argument so talk about my dick more then use your imaginary girlfriend as an excuse to rage-quit. GGEZ

>>1483092
>the goal is to not dole out draconian punishment arbitrarily
>draconian punishment arbitrarily
>for child rape

>>1482966
Seems like much ado about rephrasing. Every edit I looked at was something like
>Cut:and any person found guilty thereof shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of three years
replaced by
>Add:punishable by a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than three years, or in the discretion of the jury, or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both, for a first conviction.

>>1482983
Good post

I stepped away from the thread for awhile. Are the libs still defending child porn?

>>1483244
they finally gave you a smoke break? good for you esl shill

>>1483244
Yes.

>>1483033
>>1483036
>>1483043
>>1483066
So you're all weak on crime, no wonder you're all pro pedophile, aka pro trump. And are seething over this.
You should really stop falling for Australian propaganda.

>>1483283
>wants harsher sentences for pedos
>as opposed to dems wanting lesser than the current minimum by getting rid of the minimum completely for pedos
>no wonder you're all pro pedophile, aka pro trump.
Projection is one hell of a drug.

>>1483303
>Resorts to projections and strawmen to defend trump
classic fascist pedophile at work here

>>1483311
Technically that was the 89th post, this question is directed to the clear nazi pedo here >>1483304

>>1483320
>Moving the goalposts this hard. Too late, your question was already directed to the correct individual, who is also a fascist, so very relevant too.
But given you're a pedo fascist too, you're just spinning your wheels.

>>1483326
how do you feel about Virginia HB 863 tho?

>>1483327
>>1483329
>Still in full damage control over the fact pedo fascists would be held accountable, so they and their foreign owned propaganda masters at the NYpost are having another, predictable meltdown.
Can't wait for that republican who was crying to be outed as a pedo too.

>>1483334
I just want to know how you feel about the new bill dog

>>1483338
>>1483339
Then you should be in favor of this bill since it makes sure pedos get prosecuted, yet you're clearly upset over it. Only reason the Grand Old Pedophiles would be furious over this is because it would mean they'd be prosecuted.

>>1483341
>you should be in favor of this bill since it makes sure pedos get prosecuted
??

>>1483341
>Then you should be in favor of this bill since it makes sure pedos get prosecuted,
How? Where does it say in this bill?

>>1482891
they never learnt from the ivanka stabbing huh
well thats fine as long as its restrained to a blue state they deserve it

>>1482941
do you understand what the terms "MANDATORY" means? it means the judge can't give them a term BELOW that aka let them be scot free.
Now you can murder someone and as long as you have a bleeding heart judge with an incentive you'll have 0 consequences.

There've been cases in other countries like canada where the judge refused to sentence someone to a mandatory minimum sentence it got reversed on appeal and the judge was berated by the superior courts. Like one recently where an old man was caught DUI without a license for i believe it was his 4th offense.

>>1482920
Pedos should be summarily executed without exception and so should their supporters.(You)

>>1483343
>>1483346
>>1483354
Good job proving you're pro pedophile by defending a Grand Old Pedophile and foreign propaganda.
The fact you're hand wringing over this shows you're not serious about going after the real criminals.

>>1483413
reduce sentences for pedophiles, that'll really stick it to the pedophiles

>>1483413
>kill all pedos
>but whatabout trump
>yeah kill him too
>but why are you defending trump
>I just said kill him too
>classic fascist pedo supporter
>what part of kill him too did you not understand?
>still defending pedo trump I see

>>1483408
its also there so activists bleeding heart judges can't implement a 0 sentence for serious crimes.
we all know there are some judges that would happily let certain people get away with anything short of murder regardless if they're a repeat offender or not.

>>1483425
>kill all pedos
>but whatabout trump
>yeah kill him too
That's not what you said tho, lmao
>yeah kill him too
>VOTED FOR THEM AGAIN AWARD
If you're going to be complicit in being ruled by them then SYBAU when actual corrections institutes want to implement less strict measures against mental illnesses. Which isn't "Grabbed a loli and raped her", that's objectively assault. It's things like "Had sex with a 16 year old at 18" or "took a picture of yourself at 17 and shared it". Which is what most convictions are made around.

>>1483423
>>1483354
Ok, are you going to torture the 20 year old female science teacher who had sex with a 16 year old to death, then? Because that's what your braindead policies always lead to. Actual rich pedos never get prosecuted while the vast majority of convictions are statutory rape crimes of people ~4 years separate in age. Meanwhile, you'll gladly go into the voting booth come november and vote for an actual pedo on the Epstein list who raped a teenager to death when he was in his 50s.

>>1483431
>That's not what you said tho, lmao
Yes I did.

>>1483434
No you didn't. You continue to support these genuine Pedophiles while saying "SHOOT ALL PEDOS", you'll go to another thread and do it again.

Meanwhile, the actual purpose of removing these minimums if you weren't a braindead retard:
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/teen-sexting-virginia.html

>Juveniles tried in adult court. Virginia law allows certain minors to be transferred and tried in adult court; this includes minors age 14 or older charged with a felony. As noted above, all child pornography offenses are felonies. A juvenile who is tried as an adult faces adult penalties (such as prison time).

Yeah man, but according to your posts: let's send 14 year olds to prison with adult rapists so they get pounded in the ass because they sent a picture of themselves in the shower to their girlfriend. Let's send them for infinity years and torture them to death on liveleak, too. Then shoot them.

Of course someone like yourself just happens to want to see 14 year olds killed and raped because of victimless crimes that even Virginia admits are stupid. And these are by far the biggest convictions under these laws because every dumb teen does it. Then you'll go and vote for a pedophile who promises to rape these teens himself.

>>1483436
i didn't mean shoot them i only meant shoot the bad pedos :^(

>>1483428
>its also there so activists bleeding heart judges can't implement a 0 sentence for serious crimes.
In virginia you can go to prison when you're as young as 15 for sending sexts of yourself or even saving pictures of yourself on your phone.

people are calling you retarded because you're effectively saying this should result in the death penalty for teenagers, or have them be forced to be in the clink with actual, convicted rapists who will for sure rape them, the thing you were trying to prevent. Laws aren't meant to be enforced absolutely, that's why we have judges and juries who can be "bleeding heart" if they want to be.

>>1483436
>No you didn't.
Yes I did. Scroll up.

>>1483439

Ok
>>1483407
Do you concede?

Do you also want to admit you're >>1482900 ?

Nobody should be shocked, after all you're arguing in favor of raping teenagers in prison for taking selfies, you're probably on a watchlist yourself.

>>1483438
>this tiny niche situation that definitely isn't the norm is wrong
>so you're retarded and should die
ya typical leftist lingo, please just kill yourself you disingenuous piece of shit leftist
you support pedophiles now huh whose surprised a leftist cunt is a pedophile

>>1483441
>this tiny niche situation
If you weren't for minimum sentencing you wouldn't NEED to call this a tiny niche situation because this is by far the majority of the convictions under this law: Minors texting other minors. Judges are pushing for minimum sentencing because they don't feel very comfortable sending teenagers to rape jail like you certainly do. It's even in their write-ups on the law if you go and look that up.

https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/spanberger-joint-address-jan-19-2026

Of course you don't give a shit about that. You're a Groyper Old Pedophile™ who wants to see teenagers sent to Prison so they can be raped. And in November, you're going to go to the polls and say to yourself "Sure almost 90% of my party are in the Epstein files, but I'm going to vote for my satanic pedophiles because at least I owned da LIBS!!!" and pull that lever for them. Not a pedo cult btw.

>>1483441
>you support pedophiles now huh whose surprised a leftist cunt is a pedophile
you're literally saying 14-15 year olds should be raped in prison and killed for taking selfies, all the while you voted for an orange retard who has video evidence of himself raping teens he's desperately trying to keep under wraps.

>>1483444
Nooooooooo!!!!! Didn't you see??? I said kill him too!! Sure I'm going to vote for him to own DA LIBS but at least I said he needs to die!!! (he can still be my president btw, better than DA LIBS)

>>1483418
>>1483423
>>1483425
>strawmanning to defend pedos
>Believing the Grand Old Pedos lines
Classic

>>1483441
>>this tiny niche situation
The "tiny niche situations" are the reasons why laws need to be re-examined. Are you saying you're FOR teenagers going to PITA prison for victimless crimes? How many teenagers can be acceptably raped in your totally-not-a-GOPedo opinion? Do you have a percentage, or a quota in mind?

>>1483443
I spotted a leftist pedophile screeching about how he deserves to commit crimes.
>>1483444
I suppose that happening to you for being retarded
>>1483448
I'm ok with you getting raped to death for being a criminal

>>1482983
>Production, financing and distribution of cp
People in this thread are arguing that creating cp, which is sexual abuse of a child is not a violent crime.

Also lol at removing mandatory minimums for rape et al, way to go Virginia Democrats.

>>1483048
>violent offenders. Which is ridiculous for what is effectively a thought crime.
Pedophiles are violent to children. If you want to argue that cartoons arent CSAM, then argue that.

>>1483438
>you can go to prison when you're as young as 15 for sending sexts of yourself or even saving pictures of yourself on your phone.
Find a case where that happened.

>>1483462
>>1483463
>>1483464
>People in this thread are arguing that creating cp, which is sexual abuse of a child is not a violent crime.
>this tiny niche situation
Then answer the question please:

Virginia democrats are saying that zero teens should serve minimum sentences in PITA prison. You, the GOP, are saying that number should greater than zero and they should be raped for much longer.

So, tell us
What is the minimum number of raped teens that is acceptable to the Average Republican Voter™?

We know it's greater than zero, because you voted for the "Grab her by the pussy" guy, but I want to hear it from you how many prison-raped teens are acceptable. One? Ten? Cmon, Democrats want zero prison raped teens, but you haven't told us how many you think is too many since the number is greater than zero.

>>1483465
https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2022/11/04/staunton-teen-tried-as-adult-sent-to-prison-for-child-pornography-hartsook/69619000007/
10 seconds on google.

So answer the question: How many teens is it acceptable to rape in prison? Democrats are the only ones that have given an answer, and that answer is "Zero". Which you and the other chud are the only people who are taking offense at that.

>>1483478
it's only ok to rape teens if you take them to your private island and get them drunk on roofies, oh and you give them an heroine overdose

that's presidential, YUGE PRESIDENTIAL, right there

>>1483440
>Do you concede?
>Pedos should be summarily executed without exception and so should their supporters.
Sounds good so far.

>Do you also want to admit you're >>1482900 ?
Well lets find out.

>>1482900

Hmmm... I'm not seeing a (You) anywhere. It's almost as if there's more than one person who disagrees with you here.

>>1483478
>if you rape the rapists all you've done is increased the number of rapists by one
lmao

https://news.ballotpedia.org/2026/01/21/virginia-general-assembly-places-constitutional-amendments-on-same-sex-marriage-abortion-voting-rights-following-criminal-convictions-on-the-nov-2026-ballot/

This explains why Republicans and the conservative controlled media is attacking Virginia, they're working to both enshrine civil rights and fighting fire with fire against trump's plot to steal the midterms via gerrymandering.

>>1483567
Or maybe people just don't like the fact that VA is trying to remove minimum sentencing for pedophiles.

>>1483878
Nah, that's clearly outrage bait to distract from this, the epstien list, and republicans murdering and smearing Alex.

>>1483881
Then why did VA put forward a bill to eliminate minimum sentencing for pedophiles?

>>1483888
You distracting from all your crimes for starters?
People haven't forgotten the fascist right murdering of Alex and then defaming him.

>>1483888
>Then why did VA put forward a bill to eliminate minimum sentencing for pedophiles?

Because kids have cell phones and sext, and if they're under 18 that still counts as creating child porn, even though that's fucking absurd and not something that should make a teenager a felon.

But you don't care about that, you're a willfully ignorant facist pedophile enabler, all you care about is democrat-bad, because you've never had a critical thought in your life.

>>1483911
If you actually read the bill you would know there's already variable sentencing for situations like the one you described. The worse the pedophile, the more they benefit from VA reducing minimum sentencing.

>>1483890
You're distracting from your crimes. Alex was a jew and a paid protestor and he died as a cuck

>>1484002
you're jewish too esl shill? wow

>>1484002
I mean all of those things are true but it has nothing to do with the fact that VA is eliminating minimum sentencing for pedos.

>>1483911
NTA, this bill also removes the minimum for other violent crimes like rape and murder. Can you please explain why this is a good thing?

>>1483005
As a white male, why would I ever want a contract that tiny?

People are making trillion dollar AI moves and I should bitch about 100k?

Not to mention ice killing people and trump's maximum grift in the billions?

Think bigger, look around, and stop bitching, i say.

>>1482983
>> Production or financing of child pornography (stay classy yet again, Democrats!)
>>Distribution of child pornography (dems must have fought hard for this)
Damn son

>>1484030
If not guilty or guilty of a lesser offense do that.

>>1484030
judges can already do that by motion to strike or to set aside verdict - Virginia Supreme Court Rule 3A:15

>>1484182
it would only ever be deployed in a fringe case to begin with.

>>1482891
>According to Jason Miyares, the former Republican attorney general, House Bill 863 includes proposals to effectively eliminate minimum sentencing for manslaughter, rape, possession and distribution of child pornography, assaulting a law enforcement officer and other repeat violent felonies.

Going soft on crime and implementing a revolving door court system in the 1970s is what got Reagan elected for two terms and Bush after him, and pushed Clinton to go Rep-lite, then forcing woketardation on America got Trump elected twice.

>>1484182
>almost always overturned on appeal
The prosecution almost never appeals, and they cannot appeal a not guilty verdict.

>>1484200
Bill and Hillary Clinton as well as Joe Biden advocated for 3 strikes rules

>>1484234
If you're scared about "false" accusations, you are the problem.

>>1484239
Democrats are probably fine with that. After all, they're trying to eliminate minimum sentencing for pedophiles and rapists.

Take the chinese cartoon off the post faggotboy

The only people that will get reduced sentences for any of these crimes will be democrat donors and their invading third world force. Ahmed with CP on his device chatting up a 15 year old will get 2 weeks in prison. The son of a big demonrat donor protesting and assaulting a cop will get 2 weeks in prison. Everyone else will get full sentences.