U.S. Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Kentucky, also blasted Essayli's comments, writing on X: "Carrying a firearm is not a death sentence, it’s a Constitutionally protected God-given right, and if you don’t understand this you have no business in law enforcement or government."

Essayli in a follow-up statement accused critics of mischaracterizing his comments.

"I never said it's legally justified to shoot law-abiding concealed carriers," he said on X. "My comment addressed agitators approaching law enforcement with a gun and refusing to disarm."

"My advice stands: If you value your life, do not aggressively approach law enforcement while armed," he added. "If they reasonably perceive a threat and you fail to immediately disarm, they are legally permitted to use deadly force."

Trump admin officials say no peaceful protesters show up with firearms

In the aftermath of the shooting, multiple Trump administration officials said peaceful protesters do not carry firearms with them.

"I don't know of any peaceful protesters that shows up with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said at a news conference hours after the shooting. "This is a violent riot when you have someone showing up with weapons."

In an interview on ABC News' "This Week," Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent sought to blame Pretti for the shooting saying, "he brought a gun." When host Jonathan Karl pushed back, bringing up the Second Amendment, Bessent said, "I've been to a protest. Guess what, I didn't bring a gun, I brought a billboard."

FBI director Kash Patel made similar comments in a Jan. 25 appearance on FOX News’ "Sunday Morning Futures."

"No one who wants to be peaceful shows up at a protest with a firearm that is loaded with two full magazines," he said, adding, "You cannot bring a firearm loaded with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have that right to break the law."

Patel and other Trump administration officials have previously defended Kyle Rittenhouse, who at the age of 17 brought an AR-15 style rifle to a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in 2020. Rittenhouse shot three men, killing two and injuring one, and was later acquitted on all related charges.

Family, Minneapolis police push back on feds' description of shooting

Similar to the fatal shooting of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis by an immigration agent, Noem and other federal officials almost immediately called Pretti, who has no criminal history, a "domestic terrorist."

"This individual who came with weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed an act of domestic terrorism," she said.

Gregory Bovino, Border Patrol commander-at-large, told CNN that his agency respects Americans' Second Amendment rights, but also suggested Pretti being armed at a protest indicated that he intended to commit violence.

"We respect that Second Amendment right, but those rights don't count when you riot or assault, delay, obstruct, and impede law enforcement officers, and, most especially, when you mean to do that beforehand," he said without providing evidence that Pretti acted violently toward agents.

Pretti's family condemned the Trump administration's descriptions of Pretti and the shooting, calling them "sickening lies" that are "reprehensible and disgusting."

Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said on CBS News' "Face the Nation" that he found federal authorities' description of the shooting "deeply concerning."

O'Hara said Pretti was "exercising his First Amendment rights to record law enforcement activity, and also exercising his Second Amendment rights to lawfully be armed in a public space in the city."

Additional articles

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-administration-second-amendment-rights-minneapolis-shooting-rcna255784

https://reason.com/2026/01/25/the-trump-administration-is-lying-about-gun-rights-and-the-death-of-alex-pretti/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/those-rights-don-t-count-192450602.html?guccounter=2

>>1483106
>We respect that Second Amendment right, but those rights don't count when you...

And here I thought it was the big bad libs that randomly took away constitutional rights when it's convenient. Funny!

>>1483104
Freedom t carry does not mean freedom from consequences.
Shilling as a 2A violation DENIED!!! Please delete your shit thread.

>>1483111
>Freedom t carry does not mean freedom from consequences.
Nah, seems like those ICE officers won't face any consequences.

>>1483110
Hmm, last time I checked it doesn't count as a right if they can use it as a pretense for killing you.

>>1483113
Great! Then everything worked out for the best.

>>1483111
esl shill, your take on the second amendment is automatically discarded

>>1483114
Just go yell the N-word in a crowded ghetto movie theater cuz dey be yellin' at da screen and see how long you live.

>>1483120
Yeah they aren't the federal government who is supposed to protect rights instead of revoking them.

>>1483121
Fine just cause a problem and have your gun go off and die. Does that analogy work for ya?
YOU go out and look for trouble with your gun and see what happens if someone else has a gun.

>>1483123
Who was looking for trouble? He was using his first amendment rights to be a legal observer and help two women being assaulted by ICE. ICE then used him having a legal pistol on him, even though he never so much as brandish it, as grounds for executing him. Now we have the heads of the DHS and FBI saying you aren't allowed to have guns at protests.

>>1483124
Oh so going out to antagonize ICE is working for you?
Putting people with guns on edge is a good idea?

>>1483125
Well it seems to be working...for me. Two dead fagtivists.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/10/30/8000-increase-death-threats-against-ice-law-enforcement-they-risk-their-lives
lol keep it up, fags. They'll cave if you throw enough dead bodied at them.

>>1483125
Why are law enforcement on edge about being recorded, retard? Observation and recording are legal.

>>1483121
their argument isn't even that great, you should generally expect to get the shit kicked out of you if you stomp into a crowded theater during a movie just to yell random things at people.
doesn't make a difference if its reach peoples bodyguards taking you out back to kick the shit out of you or the poor wagies kicking the shit out of you, much less their race, color, or creed

>>1483105
I find the way they frame having one magazine in the pistol and one in the holster as multiple magazines and dangerous//evidence/justification interesting.

In general, they want to make people think he had at least two magazines outside his pistol, and ignore/be ignorant of how normal his true carry capacity is, to the point that that holsters built to carry the pistol+ one magazine are common.

This is narrowly focusing on one aspect of this of course The entire loop they're insisting on, that having a holstered weapon at a protest is reason for detention or, you know, homicide, is bullshit.

>>1483128
*taps 8000% increase in death threats against ICE
>Taps articles about ICE being firebombed
I wonder why fucking with them trying to do their job is causing issues for the lives of retarded gays.

>>1483129
What movie was being shown in the crowded theater of a snowy street, 101 Dalmatians?

>>1483127
Those agents are going to hang for what they did to the people they've been sworn to protect. Jonathan Ross too.

>>1483131
They're murdering people in the street. Let the pigs fucking roast.

>>1483129
I don't think you got the full effect of my wit, perhaps because you're a nitwit?
Yelling fire in a movie theater is the 1A example of when a right isn't a right
Yelling the N-word initiates a black person's right to justified homicide in the mind of the liggerals.
I combined the two ideas, and it went over your head(s).
>their
I'm one person you fucking gay idiot.

>>1483131
>we just want to human traffic your children and murder you, why are you mad at us?
ahh, so ice is america's new toxic girlfriend, with a sinister russian twist

>>1483136
Obama deported more people than dRumpf. Where were the death threats and firebombs then?

>>1483135
>I'm one person you fucking gay idiot.
esl detected

Also
>bitching about your pronouns
It's an idiot

>>1483131
Noem is offering right now to pull them out in exchange for the state's fucking voter rolls of all things. They aren't there to enforce immigration, they're there to brutalize the population.

>>1483137
idk shill anon, where were the occupying forces threatening to murder people if voter rolls weren't forfeited? (they didn't exist under obama)

>>1483138
>>I'm one person you fucking gay idiot.
esl is using "their" in place of "that". It was a total fucking fail.

>>1483140
>murder
gay activists aren't actually human

>>1483142
Go try that in court.

>>1483142
don't change the subject shill. why does trump think ice is his personal army

>>1483145
Don't change the subject, why is Tim Walz standing on the bodies of dead fags?

>>1483144
Well if I owned the judges like whoever owns the blue state judges I could.

>>1483147
the subject was never your delusions, shill. so don't bring up any of your bizarre fetishes please

>>1483149
No, I'm noticing an odd proximity to homosexuality with these deaths. Answer the question.

>>1483151
They're there to seduce you

>>1483151
here you go again. it's too bad the mods let you use this board for your fictional nsfw smut

>>1483153
How did you get this angry?
>>1483152
But I'm from Mexico and I'm waiting for my brothers to be liberated from Democrat rape dungeons.

>>1483104
I don't know which side I'm on. It's hard to agree with the 2A wackos. But it's equally hard to agree with the Secret Police.

>>1483158
You contribute nothing though, so reporting you creates more global bandwidth for generating AI furry porn.
Begone!

>>1483133
No they won't. Trump will pardon them, just like he pardoned the January 6 insurrectionists and so many other convicted felons.

>>1483168
That's not saving them.

>>1483141
>esl is using "their" in place of "that". It was a total fucking fail.
"They" didn't.

You don't speak fluent English.

>>1483111
You're thinking of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences from that speech. Freedom to carry does in fact mean you are free to carry a gun without consequences. You would face consequences if you were brandishing or firing it, which if you watch the video you know that didn't happen. You are a giant, hypocritical pussy who supports facist pedophiles.

>>1483193
Him went off in a tense situation. Meaning the safety was off
I have no complaints

>>1483121
You just do this in every single thread, huh

>>1483168
I don't know, Ashli Babbitt is dead like the dumb bitch that she was.

>>1483203
We don't even know for sure if his gun went off. And if it did, it was in the hands of the ICE agent, and judging by the way he grabbed it, it's far more likely he switched the safety off while grabbing it like the absolute fucking incompetent brainlets ICE are.

>>1483216
Current word is the gun went off in the latest videos. I haven't bothered watching them since the liggers will just deny what they show.
>ICE agents are a hive mind!!
Gun goes off dude gets shot. Safety not in. Oh shit.
Unfortunately it ruins the narrative of the blood thirsty ICE agents designed to win the battle in MN to forge appointment numbers with illegals, so just lie for a week and annoy absolutely everyone.

Protests are too heated - leave your guns at home.

>>1483219
Gun goes off because retarded ICE agent doesn't know how to secure a weapon and another ICE agent who VISIBLY SAW THE GUN BE TAKEN hears a gunshot and decides to unload into the unarmed man. Nevermind they were already guilty of excessive force when they took someone who was just recording and started fucking pistol whipping him in the head.

It's still a murder and they're still a bunch of blood thirsty retards.

>>1483221
What happened to "Shall not be infringed"? You have a right to bear arms at a protest.

>>1483221
Or stay the fuck back, witness and record. You can even blow whistles.
Is probably stop n trying to intervene and disrupt though.
I have no issues with the protests aside from their goals and I think the goal is stupid and most of the protesters don't have the slightest clue and are total idiots, but they have that right.

>>1483224
General strike next week; Minnesota is pissed.

>>1483228
Delusional. This only ends with ICE leaves. They can do it willingly or be forced out.

>>1483233
We're shutting down the whole agency. Your professional retards will be out a job for the rest of their lives. And the leadership will face trial.

>>1483111
Shut the fuck up Saar

Trump is going to declare martial law after losing all elections in 2026

>>1483240
Can't wait for Trump 2028!

>>1483256
What are they gonna do? Say they CAN'T be defunded? We'll have the votes sooner or later; hell we might even be able to get them now because some of the pro-2a republicans are panicking right now.

And if you're talking about the leadership facing trial, we're taking them to the Hague.

>>1483235
Literally nobody in Dem leadership is talking about shutting down ICE or holding them to account. At most you'll get them talking about changing their leadership and giving them MORE MONEY for training, as if the problem was the career ICE officers killing people didn't have plenty of training.

Dems act like the problem is Trump leading ICE, not ICE itself.

>>1483265
>Literally nobody in Dem leadership is talking about shutting down ICE or holding them to account.
Are you sure?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KHu_EjDGgg
>https://www.kcra.com/article/democrats-vow-to-oppose-homeland-security-funding/70130343

>>1483259
>fear us leftists, or we will use your 'hague' magic against you

>>1483266
ICE is rotten and full of low value retards lured in to do Trumps goon work. America doesn't need timid, low IQ doorkickers.
Clearing out and removing underpaid immigrant labor needs to be done by taking out their employers, and whatever replaces ICE is going to need to be able to take on that problem

>>1483266
>leadership

>>1483272
>Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, in a social media post Saturday night, hours after the shooting, said that what is happening in Minnesota is "appalling" and that Democrats "will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included."

>>1483273
DHS isn't ICE, it just includes ICE. That means they want to negotiate over DHS and ICE funding and goals without holding up the entire government for yet another shutdown.

>>1483274
Maybe then we'll get people with actual discipline lmao.

>>1483275
>Guys they aren't defunding ICE
>They're just refusing to vote in any bill that funds ICE

>>1483278
>quotes no one
Good luck with those phantoms of your mind.

>>1483219
>Current word
Don't you mean, latest lie created by the fascist right wing?
Anyone with eyes see ICE assaulted him disarmed him, then executed him by shooting him multiple times in the back while he was pinned on the ground and not resisting.

>>1483285
>Anyone with eyes-
Communist noguns agitators trying to protect systemic fraud.
>-see ICE assaulted him disarmed him
The legal standard for justifiable uses of deadly force in the US is the reasonable belief that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to yourself.
If I walked up to a grandmother with a water gun that looked like a real pistol, and she shot me dead, nobody would argue "she didn't have a real gun!" Reasonable belief is all that matters. Same shit here. If you start a fight with the feds, resist arrest and start motioning to grab something at your waist, you just signed your own death warrant.

>>1483268
>Clearing out and removing underpaid immigrant labor needs to be done
No. It doesn't.

It's time to accept we're wasting billions and human lives on punching ourselves in the face. Toss someone out if they commit an aggravated felony after they're done serving their sentence, patrol the border to prevent a flood, but we just need to start documenting the rest. There needs to be a standing process to acquire a green card for anyone that has been in the country long enough, no matter how they got here.

No more ICE. No more DACA. No more mass amnesties. No more people getting paid under the table undercutting citizen wages. No more people living with stolen IDs hiding from immigration.

>>1483291
>If you start a fight with the feds
He didn't
>resist arrest
Bro's on his knees being manhandle by 5 dudes while blind
>start motioning to grab something at your waist
He didn't, but even if he had, you can't shoot someone for moving their hands towards their waist with no verbal fucking warning, you fucking psychopath.

The idea that cops just get to assume any hand gesture is an attempt to kill them without regard for whether they know the suspect is armed and without regard for what a person is suspected of and without regard for the suspect's ability to act is insane. What's next? Gunning down prisoners in hand cuffs cause they didn't have their hands visible? That jaywalker has a dark object in their hand. Better shoot first and ask questions never. Disregard that it's a phone.

>>1483294
>The trouble is, no one else will
If Trump has demonstrated anything, it's that our nation's leaders can have absolute contempt for what their voters want. I just want some of that contempt to be directed towards immigration hard liners.

I also want political purges across the federal government. The political norms are dead. It's time to act like it.

>>1483104
leftists said kirk deserved it for saying the 2nd amendment was important even if it came at a human cost.
Now leftists are suddenly doing a 180 and using his talking point? lmao leftists are such hypocrites.
Ya you threaten law enforcement with a gun you deserve to be in the morgue

>>1483293
>There needs to be a standing process to acquire a green card for anyone that has been in the country long enough
Why?

>>1483362
The NRA aren't "leftists".

>>1483362
>Now leftists are suddenly doing a 180 and using his talking point?
What the fuck are you talking about?
>Ya you threaten law enforcement with a gun
Didn't happen.

>>1483394
>he had a gun
>he yelled at law enforcement
idk whacha going on about anon.
it was justified he was a terrorist like you

>>1483133
Who is going to charge them? Are you going to beg your daddy government to come save you? Are you going to post a mean tweet? I know, you can complain to the same white people you've been shitting on for over a decade. Surely appealing to them after your pet niggers abandoned you will definitely work out. Go throw some snowballs and block traffic, that seems to be garnering support for your pathetic "movement".

>>1483417
>>1483404
Trump doesn't have this kind of power and eventually Trump isn't going to have any federal power come 2026. He pushed his trump cards too early and now has negative political capital going into the election year.

Which is a shame, because breaking sanctuary cities up and pulling them out by the roots is a just cause, but they've frankly fucked the whole thing up to where you'll probably see undeployment en masse soon. Republicans are habitual backstabbers and each and every one will turn on Orange Man coming up into the start of Election season. This Second Amendment movement may be the out they've been looking for to fold on MAGA and start focusing on saving their own jobs.

>>1483293
>No more ICE. No more DACA. No more mass amnesties. No more people getting paid under the table undercutting citizen wages. No more people living with stolen IDs hiding from immigration.
Everyone who is not a millionaire or a politician would agree with you, Republican or Democrat, the issue is again that the people who run these parties want all of these things. Republicans LOVE having a merger of massive Law Enforcement agencies that let them pool resources and exert it whenever they want, like the merger of Customs and Immigration that created ICE. They also love mass, undocumented cheap labor as much as they pretend they don't. Democrats love having sanctuary cities of voterbases who will always vote blue no matter who as long as Blue promises to rob the taxpayers and give out more handouts. As well as hide their shady business dealings with foreign governments.

The problem is, in general, we're blaming the lowest people at the bottom instead of the fact the leadership of these parties is stupendously corrupt. And the corporate leadership policies are stemming from the political leadership policies on how much corruption they can get away with.

>>1483104
> be american
> get shot

>>1483432
muh freedump

>>1483395
thirdie fascist mindset

>>1483291
You mean he was an innocent victim that was brutally executed.
Reminder he was disarmed and face down when ICE thugs shot him multiple times in the back, then were counting the bullet holes like American they just brutally murdered was some sort of trophy animal.
The murder was deliberate.

Even Mega-City One Judges summarily execute - with their Lawgivers - those who pose an immediate lethal threat to other citizens. Otherwise, they use their daysticks, stumm gas and riot foam.
Judge Dredd has shown restraint in enforcing the law: which he is, of course. You're no law enforcers, ICE. But then, you're not actual police who serve and protect citizens. Even they've shown restraint, using reason before resorting to violence.
And in "Judge Dredd", Mega-City One citizens are allowed to own weapons. Citi-Def groups have helped Justice Department in fending off threats to the city.

>retarded NRA pretends there is nuance to an armed criminal obstructing and assaulting police and then resisting arrest.
There is no nuance, they were intentional illegal and violent acts escallated by carrying a deadly weapon. If you carry a deadly weapon, don't do illegal or violent things.

>>1483121
>they aren't the federal government who is supposed to protect rights instead of revoking them
Go travel onto a military base and take photographs of the F35 inside and out. After all you have civil rights to assemble and protest.

>>1483104
>2nd amendment shit on - Gun owners seethe
Actual gun owner here. Nope, not seething.

>>1483450
>go armed to protest (this is okay actually)
>interfere with ongoing ICE operation
>ignore lawful order
>battery on an agent
>resist arrest
>oh a bloobloo he got ICE'd
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>1483124
>legal observer
No such privilege. There us is the basic rights of being able to assemble on a public sidewalk (which they were in the road) and being able to film in public because there is no privacy expectation.

An observer doesn't "direct traffic" through active law enforcement operations. An observer doesn't interfere and intimidate law enforcement at less than arms length. An observer doesn't assault law enforcement officers and then resist arrest.

>>1483124
>He was using his first amendment rights
You do not have a first amendment right to impede an investigation and/or refuse lawful orders.
>legal observer
Totally made up, not real, doesn't exist.
>ICE then used him having a legal pistol on him, even though he never so much as brandish it, as grounds for executing him
You're a cop trying to arrest a suspect who is resisting your arrest, resisting so hard that three other guys have to help, someone yells "gun" and then you hear a shot. Is it unreasonable to believe the suspect just opened fire?

>>1483128
Blowing whistles creates a noise hazard both a physical danger of hearing loss if abive 85db and by creating a forseeavle danger of obstructing communication and dulling hearing. Blinding or strobe lights would also be a foreseeable hazard that can be prosecuted as attempting to obstruct law enforcement activities. Lasers are an agrivated assault with a very clear blindness medical threat.

>>1483474
>Unironically claiming whistles and flashlights justify use of lethal force

>>1483473
>You do not have a first amendment right to impede an investigation and/or refuse lawful orders.
What we he impeding by recording them? Hell, what orders did he even refuse? We have audio; they never tell him to do shit, they just go right to jumping him.

>Totally made up, not real, doesn't exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_observer

>You're a cop trying to arrest a suspect who is resisting your arrest, resisting so hard that three other guys have to help
The ICE squad literally jumped in together. At no point did they even attempt to have one member arrest him; they literally move straight to beating him up as a group after they blinded him with pepper spray.

>someone yells "gun" and then you hear a shot. Is it unreasonable to believe the suspect just opened fire?
Yes actually when you consider the same guy who open fire literally saw the other agent take his gun. Plus Pretti had both hands on the ground when the agent opens fire. And hell, the whole "Pretti's gun went off" thing is unproven in the first place, and if it is true, it is entirely the byproduct of the ICE agent who took his gun not knowing how to handle a seized weapon.

>>1483485
They are both safety hazards. Don't create safety hazards while law enforcement are trying to do their jobs.

>>1483488
>SHOOT HIM, HE'S GOT A WHISTLE!

>>1483492
>y-you can't arrest me for blowing a whistle in your ear! Walz said so!

>>1483487
>needs citations
>no supporting case law
>registered commercial trademark
Legal observer is not a legal status. You have a 1st amendment right to assemble in public spaces. You have 4th amendment rights to be secure in your personal effects up until the point you are detained by law enforcement who must have a cognizant reason for doing so. You may film other people in public as people in public do not have an expectation of privacy.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glik_v._Cunniffe
>held that a private citizen has the right to record video and audio of police carrying out their duties in a public place
>https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/392/1/
>Whenever a police officer accosts an individual and restrains his freedom to walk away, he has "seized" that person within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment. P. 392 U. S. 16.
>An officer may make an intrusion short of arrest where he has reasonable apprehension of danger before being possessed of information justifying arrest. Pp. 392 U. S. 26-27.

>>1483494
Yeah that's not illegal either. Also, Pretti didn't do that either.

>>1483471
It's okay, but an extremely poor decision to do so when approaching others who don't know what you're capable of.

>>1483499
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.72
Subdivision 1.Crime. Whoever does any of the following in a public or private place, including on a school bus, knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor:
(1) engages in brawling or fighting; or

(2) disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or

(3) engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive, obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others.
>Whoever does any of the following in a public (...) place (...) knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor:
>engages in (...) noisy conduct (...) tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others

lol. No shit it's suicidaly dangerous to physically confront cops doing their job while packing heat. I just love these crybaby insurectionist lefties falsley conflating federal agents doing their jobs with tyranny and crying crocodile tears when sane people see through their manipulative bullshit and refuse to do what the left wants.

I eagerly await the bot response calling me esl, as if that means anything, or pretending they don't understand what I said, as if admiting you're too stupid to understand me is anything other than a self own.

>it is not illegal to [illegal thing] in front of a cop while also [another crime]especially when [legal activity that becomes illegal when combined with other crimes].
Every leftist ever

>>1483506
What did he say to provoke them?

>>1483508
The ICE squad literally came to him. He didn't even say anything to them.

>>1483515
Wrongo. He tried to "unarrest." Y'know, putting hands on cops and helping people who are being detained or arrested flee illegally?

Yeah. Dipshit got what he was asking for.

>>1483515
>will tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others
You are illiterate.

>>1483516
>Y'know, putting hands on cops
Where, in any of the videos, does he so much as lay a finger on them.

>helping people who are being detained or arrested flee illegally?
They weren't arresting the other two women either, just pepperspraying them in the face for no reason.

>>1483517
What did he do to do that either? All the videos of the proceeding minutes before the scene shows the most he ever did was record them with his phone.

>>1483511
>"If I engage with an actual argument in good faith I'll lose, so I'm just going to lie about what you're saying and argue against that."

Every rightwing retard ever.

>>1483518
>They weren't arresting the other two women
>Whenever a police officer accosts an individual and restrains his freedom to walk away, he has "seized" that person within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment. P. 392 U. S. 16.

>>1483523
Yeah ironically they didn't do that to the other two they peppersprayed. But keep deepthroating that boot.

>>1483524
Go continue to violate 18 U.S.C. 111 while shouting, "Am I being detained?"

>>1483471
>Green text that's nothing but lies
You know Americans recorded the execution of Alex that debunks all your lies.

Even the rubber stamping fascist right wing congress is sweating over the latest American they murdered if they're calling for a show investigation into themselves instead of trying to go with your smear campaign and sweeping it under the rug
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-border-patrol-alex-pretti-probe_n_6976a80ae4b00d7771d76da3

>>1483527
Did they do that?

>>1483508

>lol. No shit it's suicidaly dangerous to physically confront cops doing their job while packing heat.

Are you fucking blind? I will never understand how you braindead shills think you can lie about recorded video. It's kind of awesome this is the hill you're dying on.

>I just love these crybaby insurectionist lefties falsley conflating federal agents doing their jobs with tyranny

Not tyranny, fascism. These people are being threatened for not falling in line. None of them broke any laws, none of them were being lawfully arrested or detained, they were assaulted and one was murdered. And the government was trying to stop them from expressing dissent, which they have a right to do. That's fascism, dipshit.

> and crying crocodile tears when sane people see through their manipulative bullshit and refuse to do what the left wants.

I don't think you know what crocodile tears are, and you literally are not sane, you watched the same video as me and are claiming to have seen things that simply did not happen, you are crazy as fuck my guy.

>I eagerly await the bot response calling me esl, as if that means anything, or pretending they don't understand what I said, as if admiting you're too stupid to understand me is anything other than a self own.

No, dipshit, what you are saying is not consistent with reality, you are the mental deficit here. ESL? Maybe since you don't know what crocodile tears (insincere crying) are, but I think you're just stupid, I absolutely believe you're some inbred yokel who grew up with English as your first language. It'd be more suspicious if you were claiming to be smart enough to know a second language.

>>1483532
its weird that all these retards suddenly did a 180 claiming ritenhouse should have magdumped

>>1483533
Weird how the Trump admin who once lauded him as a hero is now saying what he did was illegal and should've gotten HIM magdumped by authorities.

>>1483110
Lol this faggot thinks every felon in prison should be armed.

>>1483555
Obstruction isn't a death penalty crime, so even by your own logic his death was murder.

>>1483556
>Implying maga cares about laws
Idk what's missing in their lives, but for some twisted reason they just get off to seeing people in masks murder people.

>>1483557
Moral of the story is Ashley Babbitt shouldn't have been shot. She should have been pepper sprayed, restrained, and shot ten times

>>1483557
>They immediately drop on their stomach, hands on head.
Yeah he never got the chance to. ICE peppersprayed him immediately then shoved him to the ground and started beating the shit out of him while he was blinded. He never got the chance to tell them about his gun.

>>1483566
Did they give him any orders before spraying him and the other two people they attacked? Any at all?

>>1483566
>The best argument I can make for him being murdered is that he's not a career criminal, and that you should always be afraid to get killed by officers
I know you're not posting from a democratic country, but you should know that the argument "people should know officers can kill anyone who films them" doesn't play well with American swing voters.

>>1483569
You don't get a warning in North Korea, why should you here?

>>1483556
>Obstruction isn't a death penalty crime
It isn't. Neither is resisting arrest, however if you escalate a situation such that cops believe that deadly force is necessary to protect the lives of themselves and others you will find yourself in a very dangerous situation and the cops will be legally justified in their use of deadly force.

>>1483571
I'll help you. It starts with a D and end with emocraty

>>1483571
Yeah comparing ICE to the enforcers of a dictatorship really isn't helping your case here.

>>1483572
Literally the agents were the only ones escalating. They go from pepperspraying to a five man beatdown on an already blinded man in about 5 seconds flat. Then they confiscate the gun he never even touched BEFORE one of them unloads an entire clip into him.

>>1483104
>Guy was in a Discord and another network where people planned to show up where ICE raids are
>This is a constant pattern
>He was there to agitate and nothing else
>Decided to step it up a notch and bring a gun
>Normally a sound thing to do considering how volatile those areas can be
>Self defense claims checks out in any normal case
>Intention for concealed carry is to pop a shot or two if needed and evade by getting away from the threat
>Most altercations with a firearm almost always end in one to two shots
>This man brought two backup magazines along with his already fully loaded pistol indicating he wasn't carrying it for self defense but coupled with what we know about him being a confirmed agitator he was intending a shootout
>This coming right after people on the Left decided it's time to arm up and "fight back"
>Ironic seeing they spent decades trying to ban them and always cry about how perfect the world would be without guns but now we need them lol
>Gets into the business of a raid
>Gets tackled
>Turns his felony while armed charge into a death sentence by reaching for the pistol
>People say police disarmed him but the view you got from the guy recording from the car shows his pistol dropping to the ground next to his feet AFTER the shots
>You can especially tell it is his gun because of the faggy white grips he had on it which are clearly visible in the video
>Turns out it was a Sig of all things
>50/50 chance he was killed by his own gun discharging on himself and officers panic fired like they always do
>Dun dun dun another one bites the dust

There's the TL;DR version on this Darwin award. I just saved you a shit load of time from sifting through tons of nebulous news articles who show clipped and edited footage so "their side of the story" is heard.

>>1483574
It's a perfect example of consciousness of guilt by fascists.

>>1483575
And don't forget the Fed's initial lie was Alex was charging them with his gun ready to fire and do 'maximum damage'
So their credibility is already less than zero on their murder of Alex when trump's fed's first reaction is to smear their latest victim.

>>1483576
>>People say police disarmed him but the view you got from the guy recording from the car shows his pistol dropping to the ground next to his feet AFTER the shots
What the fuck is this shitty gaslighting? You can literally see one of the agents grabbing it and leaving with it.

>>1483353
>He didn't
Yes he did. If I am arguing with you, I tell you to stay away from me, I push you away and move away, and you come up behind me still talking shit I am going to reatively turn around and hit you before you have an opportunity to sucker punch me in the back of the head. Its called antagonizing someone

>Bro's on his knees being manhandle by 5 dudes while blind
And resisting, which is why its taking 5 guys. Not resisting arrest, one cop can easily grab you by both thumbs and direct you around. This guy was looking to be uncooperative, with a gun, breathing down cops neck from behind.
>you can't shoot someone for moving their hands towards their waist with no verbal fucking warning
Yes you can, requirement is a perceived threat of imminent harm. Theres no rule about a verbal warning. Just ask Rittenhouse or Zimmerman.

>>1483579
>It was real in my head
Literally everyone on the internet saw the real video before the news even got a chance to edit it. You're shit isn't working.

>>1483576
Alright let's run down the list of complete bullshit
>No idea where the discord thing is coming from
>ICE wasn't raiding anyone
>Only had one backup clip which isn't unusual for concealed carriers
>Never took out the gun
>Never even said anything to the ICE agents
>Gun was definitively taken by one of the agents
>Didn't reach for a pistol at any point

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-appointed-judge-blocks-admin-cover-up-in-va-nurse-killing/

Looks like trump's goons were already destroying evidence in regards to their latest murder of an innocent US citizen and it got so bad a judge installed by trump ordered them to stop.

>>1483580
>If I am arguing with you, I tell you to stay away from me, I push you away and move away, and you come up behind me still talking shit I am going to reatively turn around and hit you before you have an opportunity to sucker punch me in the back of the head.
He didn't do that

>And resisting, which is why its taking 5 guys.
It didn't "take" 5 guys. They all jumped him at once after he got peppersprayed.

>Yes you can, requirement is a perceived threat of imminent harm.
Not only did he not reach for his waist, but the guy who shot him very clearly could see the gun being taken from him. He knew full well he was disarmed when he opened fire.

>>1483582
>Never took out the gun
Lmao. Lol. The cherry on top is you actually following it up with a he dindu nuffin.

>>1483581
Yeah the real video very clearly shows one of the agents grabbing his gun from his holster and walking away with it. "his pistol dropping to the ground next to his feet" you're literally hallucinating.

>>1483560
Reminder that none of these libshits belive the things they're saying. Just remember everything they've ever said about Ashli, Charlie and Kyle.

Libs can all rot in Hell.

>>1483575
>They go from pepperspraying to a five man beatdown
All of which were because Pretti was at minimum a safety threat to himself and law enforcement by his presence in the middle of the road next to officers conducting law enforcement duties. Of which is presence was criminal either as a nusance to or interference with law enforcement. Pretti and those women disobeyed lawful orders to exit the area and escallated the confrontation with violence. BTW if a cop acosts you, you are being detained, so they are being detained as they are transported to the side of the road. Their physical resistance results in pepperspray, they continue violent resistance and Pretti's actions appear to constitute a threat of grievous injury, justifying deadly force against him.

>>1483592
>Pretti and those women disobeyed lawful orders to exit the area and escallated the confrontation with violence
Where was the "lawful orders to exit the area"?

> Pretti's actions appear to constitute a threat of grievous injury
How? He never even went for his gun. Don't say writhing from the agony of being pistol whipped and pepper sprayed counts as something that threatens grievous injury. They executed a man already on the ground.

>>1483532
>None of them broke any laws, none of them were being lawfully arrested or detained

Wrongo there, fuckface. Go emulate your heros. Dance the Walz waltz.

>>1483595
>Where was the "lawful orders to exit the area"?
When the cops escort him from the middle of the road to the sidewalk.

>>1483599
Which they didn't do.

>>1483582
>Never took out the gun
You can literally see it in his hand in the footage they guy in the car took.

>>1483602
That's a phone you fucking retard. You seriously can't tell the difference?

>>1483586
>He didn't do that
he is repeatedly told to stay away, he is pushed away, and then they move away from him. He continues yelling and is trying to put his phone over the cops shoulder from less then 1 foot away like 5 times before they turn on him.

>It didn't "take" 5 guys.
Yes it did. especially because he was armed. He wasn't being cooperative at all, why would he suddenly be logical. The second you put any muscle resistance into not following a cops lawful order, you are resisting arrest.

>see the gun being taken from him. He knew full well he was disarmed
I accept your concession on this point, there is no legal requirement to give a warning before mag dumping a percieved imminent threat. Who to say that he didn't have another gun? He was not yet under control, he hadn't been searched, and there no "you can only carry one gun" rule of the universe.

>>1483601
one cop pushes him 6 feet away, then turns around and goes back to the arrest, and he follows the cop to stand less then 1 foot behind another cop trying to put his camera over his shoulder.

>>1483604
>he is repeatedly told to stay away
Where? We have audio. He didn't say shit.

>Yes it did. especially because he was armed.
They had no idea he was armed until after the five of them were already on top of him.

>He wasn't being cooperative at all
He was peppersprayed and then tackled and beaten up. He was literally never given a chance to cooperate.

>Who to say that he didn't have another gun? He was not yet under control, he hadn't been searched, and there no "you can only carry one gun" rule of the universe.
They literally just got done fucking dogpiling him. Where would he have gotten a SECOND gun from? Up his ass?

>>1483606
He wad given a thousand and one chances to be coopetative. Dumb Motherfucker decided he wanted to fuck around with armed agents trying to do their jobs. He played a stupid, STUPID game and he won his stupid prize.

>>1483606
>We have audio. He didn't say shit.
I haven't listened to what they say, but both him and the ICE guy are yelling at each other, and the ICE guy keeps pointing him to stand on the sideway, away from them
>They had no idea he was armed
Yes they did, he's open carrying
>never given a chance to cooperate.
He didnt cooperate in giving them space, at that point he is under arrest. Guess what, if your a hardass and a cop roughs you up "I was just about to be a good boy" isn't going to work.

>gotten a SECOND gun from?
different people hide their sidepiece different places. stop being intentionally obtuse and pretending like people don't carry secondaries that are easy to get to just incase they cant get to their main. I bet half the ice agents have an ankle or crotch holster for theirs.

>>1483608
>>1483609
You have video of this I assume?

>>1483612
>I haven't listened to what they say, but both him and the ICE guy are yelling at each othe
So then you have no audio of this.

>Yes they did, he's open carrying
He's CONCEALED carrying. His holster is under his jacket and at no point did he even brandish it.

>He didnt cooperate in giving them space, at that point he is under arrest.
When did they ask him to give them space?

>different people hide their sidepiece different places.
Different places they didn't find then they dogpiled him?

>>1483613
Good God, you're dense.

Being cooperative is NOT stalking cops, not blowing your whistles in their faces, not standing still in front of their vehicles, not shoving phones in their faces, not trying to free people that have been lawfully detained, not throwing shit at the feds or their vehicles.

Dipshit would still be breathing if he had just stayed home.

>>1483622
So you don't have any video backing up any of your claims.

>>1483621
1st amendment and right to protest.

>>1483629
Do you have video? Also, the fact he was on the sidewalk means he DID comply with any orders to get out of the street.

>>1483619
>no audio
So your not arguing in good faith. its obvious he was told to move. He was physcally moved, they moved 5 ft to the right on the sidewalk, and then back out into the street.
I cant find a clean link to the video with audio. You just seem to be saying that audio of exactly whats said isnt there, not that you have audio of what they say to each other. Wait is the audio blocked by retards blowing whisles, is that why I keep seeing whistles mentioned?

>concealed
Yea your right, I thought he was wearing a side holster

>when
when the officer pointed him towards the sidewalk, then pushed him on his chest to where he pointed.

>didn't find
You said he knew he was unarmed. I pointed out many people carry secondaries. We're not talking about hindsight, we're talking possibilities during the altercation that ICE is thinking about.

>>1483637
>So your not arguing in good faith. its obvious he was told to move. He was physcally moved, they moved 5 ft to the right on the sidewalk, and then back out into the street.
>I cant find a clean link to the video with audio. You just seem to be saying that audio of exactly whats said isnt there, not that you have audio of what they say to each other. Wait is the audio blocked by retards blowing whisles, is that why I keep seeing whistles mentioned?
Retard I'm not the one saying they told him to do things. Prove your fucking claim or fuck off.

>when the officer pointed him towards the sidewalk, then pushed him on his chest to where he pointed.
Was he on the sidewalk, yes or no?

>You said he knew he was unarmed. I pointed out many people carry secondaries.
They literally had him pinned down by five guys. Again, where would he even have a secondary they wouldn't have found? There was literally no reason to assume he had another gun after they'd already effectively searched him.

>>1483644
I'm done. if we can't agree on a simple thing like he was told to leave the scene of the arrest you are a lost cause and too stupid for my time.

I'm not giving you a step by step play. He was interferring with an arrest, he was directed and physically removed before immediately coming back in. While being disarmed his shitty sig gun went off and an ICE agent thinking he had a second gun shot him.

Nothing of value was lost.

>>1483655
>if we can't agree on a simple thing like he was told to leave the scene of the arrest you are a lost cause and too stupid for my time.
You literally cannot even provide proof of this. By all accounts he was just recording them (legal btw) and they decided to make an example of him.

>he was directed and physically removed before immediately coming back in.
He was on the sidewalk so you're already contradicting yourself.

> While being disarmed his shitty sig gun went off
Evidence for this is extremely murky. It doesn't help that ICE literally has the gun and has yet to confirm a bullet was discharged from it.

It's entirely legal to record cops. As long as you stay a reasonable distance away, 6-10 ft. It is not legal to interfere in an arrest.

They are standing in front of a car in the street, One ICE agent looks at him and says something, then points at the sidewalk, then physically pushes him onto the sidewalk. He turns around and walks back, and he follows back into the street. The ICE agents drag the person onto the sidewalk, between the car and the wall 5 feet to the right, and he follows. They drag them back to the front of the car, and he follows again out into the street. Where he is pepper sprayed then shot.

>>1483676
Where does he ever get back on the street? He's not in the group of two at the start of the pink coat video.

>>1483573
>>1483574
North Korea has
>Racial hegemony
>Low crime rates
>Enforced patriotism
>No woke corporatism being shoved down your throat
Why shouldn't we seek to emulate it?

>>1483697
This is a strawman, but I'll bite.
>Unironically believing Americans need 30 barbie dolls every Christmas

Also:
>County without rampant obesity
>"Must be because they're eating grass!"

Saying there is starvation in North Korea is liberal propaganda, pushed by the same shills who say Biden should have been president because he won more votes. If North Korea can be a place of peace and harmony, it'd disrupt the carefully-constructed narrative that multiethnic societies can be just as prosperous as ethnostates.

>>1483701
>Saying there is starvation in North Korea is liberal propaganda
By their own admission they have chronic food shortages. It's part of what they beg China for every year.

Oh wow, look at that. The people who laughed at Kirk's death and cheered at the thought of Rittenhouse being butt raped in prison for defending himself are angry that their own side now has bodies piling up for entering the Find Out Zone.

Would you look at the time, it's I don't give a fuck o clock.

>>1483697
They aren't your mom.

>>1483703
Rittenhouse got his day in court and Kirk's assassin is in custody. Meanwhile we aren't even allowed to know who the thugs that killed Pretti were.

>>1483680
Exactly. What libtards don't understand is that the overwhelming majority of Americans have seen the prosperity of Donald Trump's regime, and we will never lose an election again (so much so that elections will become unnecessary). We have the God-given authority to inflict violence against the sinful, and therefore it is Good in God's eyes to remove all constraints on the behavior of his holy servants.

We need not fear the violence of ICE, for we shall never need to hold government accountable again. Our Holy Father has that taken care of.

>>1483706
Their post doesn't even make sense, foreign shills aren't suddenly dying
Don't entertain their delusions that Americans cheered on Kirk's death

>>1483706
That can't be right... if Rittenhouse was not voted guilty then that'd mean you do have a right to have a gun at a protest.

Eh, who cares, it makes the libs mad to outright deny what's in the video. It's not like we care about the rule of law

>>1483110
>randomly took away constitutional rights

"those rights don't count when you riot or assault, delay, obstruct, and impede law enforcement officers".

This is exactly what the Left-Dems are doing and they're not spur-of-the-moment things, they're actively planning and coordinating these violent incidents.

>>1483715
>"those rights don't count when you riot or assault, delay, obstruct, and impede law enforcement officers".
Didn't do anything of the sort yet they still killed him just for owning a gun while protesting them.

>>1483716
Nah, they killed him for fun. He was on the ground and they'd taken it away.

>>1483104
This incident literally just cost the GOP any chance at replacing Walz with one of their own; their primary candidate just dropped out of protest, leaving them with just the fuckin MyPillow guy.

>>1483715
Exactly. In countries like China you won't see people actively planning protests like this. That's why crime is so low and there is no woke bullshit protests: minorities know to keep their mouths shut for fear of being disappeared. America is finally moving in the right direction.

>>1483720
Trump doesn't give a damn about election outcomes. He just wants to scowl at cameras and look tough. Shooting people in the street only adds to that image, and any pushback gives him an excuse to whine about his mistreatment. Expect this to get worse before it improves.

>>1483710
>Don't entertain their delusions that Americans cheered on Kirk's death
Well I wouldn't call them "Americans" because they sure as fuck didn't believe in free speech.

Cry and die commie bitches. Cry and die.

>poll numbers plummetting
>sane right wingers defecting
>Trump showing rapid decline on camera
>blue wave and return to pure democrat rule inevitable
and here you are, coping and seething over it

>>1483722
And here I thought the Trumpists were against communist style rulership.

>>1483706
Because you belong to a faction of dangerous retards known for doxing and killing rightwingers because of 'muh fascism'.

>>1483830
>Amount of ICE officers murdered by left wingers: Maybe 1 if you count that one cult, and that was in the field
>Amount of people ICE has murdered in the last two weeks: 2
Hmmmmm

>>1483831
forget it, the rightwingers they're referring to were killed by other rightwingers

>>1483831
>Maybe 1 if you count that one cult, and that was in the field
They form lynch mobs and surround hotels thinking that ICE agents are staying there.
Emphasis on "thinking", because they were wrong the first time.

>>1483834
Yeah you still murdered two people while the worst injury I've seen given to one of these ICE retards was one who got their finger bitten off. And you really don't think "one of yours, all of ours" doesn't cut both ways?

>>1483831
Remember that time that one gay retard shot at an ICE van thinking it was full of agents, and all he did was hit three migrants?
Why are you supporting these people?

>>1483835
>And you really don't think "one of yours, all of ours" doesn't cut both ways?
Democrats tried to assassinate the President of the United States at least three different times.

>>1483836
I'm still not seeing any of these murdered ICE agents you're talking about. ICE seems to be the only ones actually murdering people, and they're law enforcement. We have a right to know who is involved when Law Enforcement ends someone's life.

>>1483835
>still murdered two people
Demonstrators are pulling normies out of cars and beating them in the streets out of mistaken identity for ICE agents.
You are the baddies.

>>1483839
ICE murdered two people. You're not convincing anyone.

>>1483838
>terrorism is only bad when people get killed, not hurt or intimidated
You are fucking retarded.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/border-patrol-greg-bovino-agents-expected-leave_n_6977e0bbe4b09961fe714d95
The corrupt SS cosplaying jackboot in charge of the far right's violent occupation of Minneapolis is expected to leave the city now.

>>1483842
Rumors are saying he got removed from his position outright.

>>1483843
That would be a shock since all the smart money is on puppy murdering ICE barbie being the first one to be fired.

>>1483846
Homan is famous for saying that anchor babies should be deported with their families.

>>1483843
He's been moved to Minnesota.
Basically, you're retarded.

>>1483855
nope, confirmed he got fucking demoted and his "Commander at large" position in border control completely dissolved.
>https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/01/greg-bovino-demoted-minneapolis-border-patrol/685770/

>>1483856
lmao new reports coming in from CNN they even locked him out of his official twitter account. Probably realized his lies surrounding the murder were going to get all of them in trouble.

>>1483856
>oh fug maybe if I keep going with the palace intrigue narrative people will care
"No"

>>1483858
One already demoted. This is just the start; ICE is gonna regret even stepping foot in Minnesota.

>>1483859
he's already defending murdering people and human trafficking toddlers, basically he's a full blown fascist. and despite what any esl shill says, most americans hate fascists

>>1483859
Why are you acting like he wasn't already calling the shots prior to this? He's not even getting promoted, just physically going into Minnesota to talk with the governor.

>>1483856
>Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and her close adviser Corey Lewandowski, who were Bovino’s biggest backers at DHS, are also at risk of losing their jobs, two of the people told me.

Oh boy oh boy.

>>1483869
Anybody that wants to follow the law.

>>1483355
I assure you I'm gonna have plenty of hand gestures for the next ICE agent I see.

>>1483869
Xe/xir won't be able to define it. They didn't even understand the difference between minimum and maximum in yesterday's thread

>>1483856
Now what about Stephen Miller, he also pushed the Alex is a terrorist lie.

>>1483873
Rumors are Noem might be next on the chopping block. They really seem like they're gonna try and distance themselves from anyone who could get called into court for lying about what happened.

>>1483875
If people had any brains, they'd go after Stephen Miller since that neo-nazi is the architect of the fascists' right wing's war against America.

>>1483876
Well Miller likely has a hand in this (and firmly up Trump's ass) in an attempt to get as much distance as he can. I doubt the admin will be willing to sacrifice him like Bolvino and Noem; he'll probably need to be removed by force.

>>1483856
Literally just scapegoating the motherfucker. The dude they're bringing in is just as fucking terrible.

Anyone that falls for this shit deserves the boot they'll be fed.

>>1483879
It's definitely a scapegoating, but at the same time watching him lose his little commander spot is satisfying enough. It won't end with this; he's gonna wind up having to explain himself in court sooner or later. And I doubt his retirement is gonna be a peaceful one.

>>1483880
Assuming the trump regime doesn't destroy America, and they don't destroy all the evidence, the next government can reopen their investigation into him since everyone forgot he took a bribe from a undercover Fed and then hid the money which they never got back.

>>1483883
You're thinking of Homan.

>>1483880
He's going to be given a cushy desk job, a fat pension, democrats are going to pull him front of a congressional hearing 3 years from now, call him a bad person and send him home. The end. Meanwhile, your h1b will still be denied and the deportations will continue.

>>1483886
He's going to wind up retiring in disgrace before he's called in to face trial and spends the rest of his life in prison. The house of cards is collapsing.

>>1483887
>2 more weeks until the cards collapse

>>1483892
Brother they're collapsing now. About 7 hours ago Leavitt was talking about how Bolvino will continue to "protect" the people of Minnesota. Now he's demoted and thrown back to California. Noem is speculated to be next. The GOP is panicking and even Trump is realizing they fucked up bad.

>>1483893
The "Border Czar". He's the one who got caught in 2024 literally accepting bribes from undercover FBI.

>>1483897
He's not being replaced. His position has been eliminated completely; there won't be another "Commander" of border patrol.

>>1483884
Was it him or Bovino that cosplays as a nazi? It's hard to keep track of all the corrupt fascists in the trump regime.

>>1483895
We've been hearing this since 2016
>>1483896
That was a lie btw

>>1483900
Bovino was the shortass cosplaying on the ground.

>>1483901
>That was a lie btw
Nope.
>https://www.welch.senate.gov/senators-grill-pam-bondi-over-fbis-alleged-50000-tom-homan-bribe/

>>1483902
I also noticed he actually has the 'Just fuck my shit up' hair cut too.

>>1483903
Satan.

>>1483904
There never was a bribe lol. It was a totally fabricated story.

>>1483907
Meanwhile Tim Walz is endorsed by the Minnesota Satanists and even has one of their installations in the State House in his honor kek

>>1483908
esl shill, you have to lie better than this, americans aren't russians

>>1483909
Unironically Satanists help serve the community that contrarians when it comes to helping the poor and under privileged.
The real evil is the anti-christ. and that's trump given he checks the boxes for him.

>>1483910
Show proof of the bribe then.

>>1483913
>Libs are praising Satan again

>>1483917
Frieren has gotten so much mileage out of this administration, holy fuck

>>1483917
They're a bunch of edgy atheists pointing out the hypocrisy of the religious right.

>>1483917
>Satanists turn out to be better human beings that conservative christans
The irony.
Really helps the former didn't murder Alex like the latter did.

>>1483919
Satanism is unironically aligned with liberalism though. Liberalism is based on the precept of moral subjectivity and 'do as thou will'.

>>1483916
Notice how no proof was ever provides. Because there is none. Libs hear stories that confirm their bias and regurgitate it without ever verifying it themselves.

>>1483916
>>1483923
Are you denying that there was a 2024 investigation into bribery at the DOJ that was shut down by Trump?

>>1483925
Allegations were made, and no evidence of wrongdoing were ever demonstrated. Just another fake story.

>>1483927
We literally have a recording of Homan taking 50k in a duffle bag that the Trump admin has acknowledged exists in their summary of the case but has refused to release.

>>1483928
>we have the recording
Post it then. Keep in mind this is the same fbi that peddled discredited stories like the trump piss tape and russiagate under biden.

>>1483930
I can't. We know it exists, the Trump admin has acknowledged that it exists, but they refuse to release it.

>>1483931
Reminder that trump regime constantly destroys evidence, they were already destroying evidence in regards to their murder of Alex and it was bridge to far for even a trump installed judge who ordered them to stop.

>>1483931
Trump admin has acknowledged that an entrapment attempt was made. There's no evidence that Homan ever accepted a bribe. No one in the FBI ever stepped forward to allege that he did under oath. They just peddled fake stories to the media.

>>1483935
Even the Trump white house stopped denying he took the money and instead said the much more vague "he didn't partake in criminal activity" and "he didn't take a BRIBE". They know he took that money and the FBI file supports it.

>>1483938
Kek you're reaching hard. "Taking money" in this context would be a bribe and illegal activity. There's no proof for it. You were duped by another fake story because it confirmed your bias.

>>1483935
>trump ran a cover up
Holy penis, what a scoop!

>>1483168
They'll get pardoned so that the law doesnt come for them. Not sure whats going to protect them from the country full of people they've pissed off coming for them.

>>1483943
>I have evidence no I can't prove it but I BELIEVE IT HAPPENED
still waiting for that pee tape to drop anon? Mueller time eta: 2 weeks

>>1483940
There is proof and the Trump administration refuses to release it to exonerate him.

>>1483954
Not a single person in the fbi has stepped forward to claim that proof exists. It's only ever been laundered through hearsay media with zero accountability.

>>1483962
why do you suck billionaire dick for crumbs? isn't pretty much any job more preferable? do you actually have a humiliation fetish?

>>1483963
This is the kind of post you make when you get btfo.

isn't it sad, esl shill even lies to himself. and nobody pays him to do that

>>1483967
Did you figure out what minimum and maximum means, tranny? KEK

esl shill doesn't know who he's talking to but he sure knows his name

>>1483970
When did you transition?

>>1483945
>Destroy the evidence
>See there was no evidence!

>>1483988
>destroying non-existent evidence
Yeah that's not how this works.

>>1483992
how do you still work as a shill though? couldn't be me

>>1483992
>If we destroy the evidence, it never existed
I see cons lack object permanence as well.

>>1483996
There's no evidence that it ever existed either. But go off kween

>>1484000
You know other than the FBI investigation even the Trump admin admitted happened and tried to "entrap" him.

>>1484000
is there evidence you won't die alone, faggot shill?

>>1484001
Keyword "tried" to entrap him. Proof that he accepted a bribe or 41% yourself tranny

>>1484006
how do you manage to bring up your fetish literally every single day? is it the only saving grace you have in your miserable dead end job, esl shill?

>>1484008
Did you figure out what "minimum sentencing" means?

>>1484006
So you're acknowledging the investigation happened but NOT the part of the file on the investigation that says he took the bribe?

>>1484010
did you start taking pills for your delusions and hallucinations yet esl shill

>>1484000
>Destroy the evidence
It never existed
But it did, just like how trump raped women.

>>1484010
He's seething so hard he had to add 'miserable' to that insult fucking lmao

>>1484012
Proof that he took a bribe? Just post it since it definitely happened. Post trump's pee tape while you're at it.

>>1484006
They could release the files generated around the attempted entrapment then. You'd think they'd want to.

>>1484015
I noticed lol
I've been engaging with this tard for awhile. He's a low IQ tranny. He can barely engage with simple concepts. That's why he just spams the same two phrases over and over. His IQ is probably sub 80

esl shill is projecting again

>>1484020
It must suck to be as dumb as you are. I bet you expend a lot of energy trying to hide the fact that you're low INT. And to hide the fact that you were born male.

>>1484020
and being weird

>>1484022
Bro get off the meds. You were born male. Time to man up

>>1484020
>>1484022
I think he wishes he was a girl or something. It would be okay if he didn't hate himself so much

>>1484031
Classic conservatism

https://newrepublic.com/post/205716/donald-trump-team-destroy-evidence-alex-pretti-shooting
>trump asserts right to destroy evidence

>>1484023
Word to live by for /news/ trannies

>>1483831
>2
Way higher than that just not on caught on (a civilian's) camera kek

>feds have been shooting protestors
>protestors start packing to defend themselves
>feds seethe

If any of these armed protestors were gonna attack ice, they would have done it by now

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mdgcnfmnmc2c

>Trump: "With that being said, you can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns. You just can't. You can't walk in with guns. You can't do that. But it's just a very unfortunate incident."

A new 2nd amendment dropped, guys!

>>1484224
So no more individual gun ownership?

>>1484224
Crazy how the MAGA crowd went from “don’t tread on us” to “let us regulate firearms!” real quick.

>>1484227
Also went from "You need guns to defend yourself to from a tyrannical government" to "Don't bring guns to government protests"

>>1484230
>conservatives from 1992-2026: "Don't fight the feds, that's retarded"
>communists: "No."
>conservatives: "Alright do what you like."
>communists: "AIEEEE FUCKING TYRANNY HELP ME CONSERVATIVE-SAMA!"
Bro just stop being gay

>>1484231
Youre literally a Russian shill

>>1483113
>Nah, seems like those ICE officers won't face any consequences.
>>1483114
>Great! Then everything worked out for the best.

This.
Americans need to learn that the have to leave their guns at home for home protection not to carry them in their vehicles or on their person

>>1484233
>the pro ukraine position is to fight police officers
Makes sense

>>1484241
>It killed concealed and open carry in its confusion!

>>1483104
ICE just shot another person. Arizona this time; they're apparently alive but in critical condition.

>>1484231

> Don't even try to ask the government to respect your rights.
> If they kill you, it's perfectly legitimate.

Hahaha, I love seeing how the “manly conservative right” is really just a bunch of little bitches.

>>1484241
I explicitly, legally have the right to conceal and carry a firearm in public places. That is codified law. It isn't something the gestapo can use as a false pretense to murder me, especially if it's in my holster where it belongs and I'm already being restrained. Go fuck yourself.

>>1483168
You mean FBI agents?

>>1484255
The "manly conservative right" actually want a functioning society where tranny communists aren't emboldened to suicide by cop.

>>1484256
no, you gotta lose the gun
if you bring a gun to ICE, then you recognize that you'll be killed for threatening ICE
you can't shout fire in a theater, you can't have a gun around cops

If you don't like it, you'll need to wait until 2026 where these rules will be lessened to allow for democrats to be in charge of congress, and the rules will change again when they have full control of the presidency in 2028
but for now, very illegal. You'll get killed.

>>1484259
>checks "Days since mentally ill schizo brought up trannys unprompted" sign
>its never not been a 0

>>1484255
>> If they kill you, it's perfectly legitimate.
Unironically though. Because self-defense laws also protect the feds.
Retards don't understand the 2A was designed to be used against insurrectionists too.

>>1484259
Lmao pussy

>>1484264
No one respects bootlickers, not even the person whose boots you are licking.

>>1484261
>you can't shout fire in a theater, you can't have a gun around cops
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

>>1484269
Correct, a cops right not to have to face protesters with guns shall not be infringed
Thanks for being on the right side this time

>>1484266
>the people that have been bootlicking the anti-2A lobby are now calling you a bootlicker for being pro-constitutional rights
this angle isn't working for you

>>1484300
This x 1000.

>>1484300
>>1484307
Suck his dick in private, please

I am not entertaining leftists who pretend that violent felonies are their constitutional right.

>>1484317
Motherfucker, you don't have Constitutional rights. Rights are only that which the law defends and the people in charge of the law wouldn't defend your right to breathe.

>>1484328
The law isn't going to defend you throwing a brick at the face of a federal prison officer as he stands at the front door of a hotel.

>>1484317
You being a witless moron who can't even watch a video is pretty entertaining to me, fascist pedo.

>>1484330
But enough about what republicans do every day

>>1484330
>People beat cops with Trump flags on camera: heroes!

>People film cops breaking the law: terrorists!

Lick boots bitch

>>1483661
You know the other anon is willfully twisting the facts and arguing in bad faith, on purpose, right?

Definitely some poor bastard with no skills besides... lying for money I guess

>>1483110
libs started the fire, we're just taking advantage and having a bbq
dont like it? move to a country that actually has liberty, lol