>>1484761
Wow I didn't know the ICE agents who murdered him were able to read his mind and know that he might theoretically damage one of their tail lights. This totally makes executing him via magdump in the middle of the street justified!

>>1484761
Anyone who's been following the story already knew he wasn't a peaceful protestor. He was an agitator on the commie signal group. I wouldn't be surprised if they had multiple encounters like this with him.

>>1484764
Yeah because he was just a peaceful protester minding his own business and not doing anything illegal - other than constantly obstructing federal agents while carrying a gun. You're sure as fuck not supposed to be vandalizing government property while armed, and if Walz wasn't such a piece of shit his CCW would've been revoked ... not that it really matters since he didn't carry his ID like he was supposed to.

Kicking out a tail light is grounds for summary execution, of course.

>>1484771
When you have an armed agitator repeatedly stalking, harassing, impeding, and now physically attacking law enforcement, it's clear that this person was a credible threat and instigated the event that led to his death.

>wasn't a nurse, had been fired weeks before
>full time agitiator, had been stalking ICE for several weeks
>commits crimes while armed
>injured in prevous altercation with ICE where he kicks a blue flashing taillight off a police car
>says to media that "he was driving and saw a family being arrested and only just stopped his car, and was only blowing his whistle."
>"directing trafffic" and "filming" ICE from the center of the street
That's your hero. A nurse that got fired from a VA hospital and then got into repeated fistfights with cops until he won the suicide by cop award.

>>1484771
>there's no pattern of behavior. nothing to see here

>>1484761
>le tailight

>>1484774
>>1484777
https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force
>As the Supreme Court stated in Graham: The decision to use force "requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each particular case, including the severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officer or others, and whether [the suspect] is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight."

An officer cannot use a suspect's prior interactions with law enforcement to justify use of deadly force in another instance where the circumstances would not otherwise justify use of that force.

Also, how did the ICE agents who shot him on January 24 recognize him from 11 days prior? You mean to tell me that they were able to instantly ID him as the same guy that knocked out their tail light? Or is ICE actually a hive mind that telepathically communicates with all of its agents in real-time?
If, by sheer luck, it happened to be one of the same agents who interacted with him before, then that would be premeditated murder.

>>1484781
A couple of things, odds are this is AI slop like all the ones of Alex waving around a gun that the russians on /pol/ was spamming.
Two, the trump regime is keeping a database of every protestor who stands up against their fascism.
https://newrepublic.com/article/205736/ice-resistance-minneapolis-residents-unseen
So even just showing up to protest the occupation of Minneapolis put a target on Alex which the gestapo decided to use to murder him.

Now the conservatively biased media is going to do anything and everything to smear him like they do all the people they murder.

>>1484761
> Harrowing new footage appears to show Alex Pretti spitting at ICE agents and smashing the taillights of their black SUV
>Harrowing
It’s not even competent propaganda

>>1484781
ICE was legally justified to shoot him because he made them fear for their lives.
Morally his death was deserved because he was a part of a terrorist organization that has been trying to defend Somalians committing systemic fraud, which he apparently thought was the right thing to do.

>>1484785
>ICE deserves to murder people because they're pussies
wow, retarded ESL thoughts from a retarded ESL shill
who would have guessed?

>>1484776
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alex-pretti-fired/
>Conservatives trying to smear an innocent man they murdered in cold blood in the streets
Must be a day that ends in “y”

>>1484788
ICE clearly murdered an American citizen, then Trump and his pack of retards try to jump on damage control by lying, and get immediately BTFO by reality and clear recordings of the murder.
Then his below IQ followers rage at reality contradicting Trump and TDS rage and try to slander the murdered man to retroactively justify murdering him.

>kicking out the tail lights of your murderers is bad, actually
No

If there is only 1 sole video of this taillight thing happening, then it is AI. Every other thing that goes down there are multiple videos.

>>1484794
isn't the post-truth world fun

>>1484787
Have you thought about self-deporting, shill?

>>1484793
Who goes around attacking cops? The guy was a loon.

>>1484799
who gets a job as a shill? you're a faggot

>>1484799
they're not cops, they're temu brownshirts.

>>1484800
You seem mad that you've been pushing a now debunked narrative for a the past week.

>>1484802
i'm mad that you're a shill faggot? i think that would be your parents, esl shill. and they're more disappointed than anything

>>1484803
Your fake narrative has been destroyed, troon. Now we all know Pretti was a violent agitator.

>>1484803
I am very happy about this.
I mean look at these asses. Can you imagine being 'detained' by these women? Jesus christ.
>>>/pol/527209431

>>1484804
it's not too late to get a real job, you're too dumb for most occupations but you could work at the box factory or something

>>1484804
One video surfacing multiple days later is not enough evidence anymore in this year of two thousand twenty six.

>>1484783
I'm willing to give the video the benefit of the doubt, because AI struggles to make believable-looking shaky cam footage. Also the outlet that posted the video to YouTube doesn't have much of a track record of posting AI slop or conservative talking points.
But the thing is, even if it was Alex Pretti in that video, and even if they had him in their database of known suspects, it would have been impossible for the ICE agents who shot him to have checked that database before they shot him. The guy that tackled him to the ground did so within seconds of Alex standing up to him before they dumped their mags into him.
So yeah, it was either
>the agents didn't know who he was and thus wouldn't have known about this prior incident
Or
>one of them did recognize him and decided to kill him as revenge
Neither helps ICE's case.

>>1484799
You should ask Trump that, seeing as he pardoned 1500 loons on Day 1 of his second term.

>>1484771
Killing paid agitators, Jews, and crisis actors, is not a crine

>>1484809
you love your nickname don't you

The fact that shills are in total disbelief over this is quite telling. They really believed in an alternate reality in which Pretti was anything other than a violent agitator.

>>1484811
>cmon, what do you need to hear to justify a clear murder on camera?
there's a rising desperation to all these shillposts and its thrilling
they fucked up hard and tied it to guns, so of course 2a nuts are going to watch the actual fucking video

>>1484812
Fortunately anyone that watches the video will instantly realize the guy an armed and violent agitator with a history of stalking and impeding law enforcement.

>>1484761
I don't know if he deserved to die, but he thought causing strife with armed men over illegal aliens was worth it for some reason.
It would've been a better ending if he was killed by an illegal drunk driver though. Then again, that wouldn't have made the news since most of the people who manufacture the news are also radical Democrats.
All-in-all, nothing of value was lost, just like last time.

>>1484761
>Look out! He's doing vandalism!
>BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG

>>1484817
Well, if it was my car, yeah, that's what would happen.
I think the video shows the man was an unhinged lunatic though, just like all these pootesters.

>>1484813
how many more times are you going to spam the talking point before your handlers stop paying out?

>>1484764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWR13BAIEs
he deserved it he was a violent criminal attacking ice agents while armed. he wasn't an innocent protester.

>>1484792
>political agitator
>hindering law enforcement
>attacking law enforcement
>>muh muh innocent citizen
leftists are so stupid lmao

>>1484826
you know this tactic won't make people unsee a murder right esl shill

>>1484827
justified homicide when its a domestic terrorist that would've gone on to attack others and is actively protecting criminals.
frankly you should've been domed too

>>1484830
i've been domed, it felt quite nice. it was consensual too, unlike when it happened to most prominent republicans

>>1484827
NTA It makes me not care about these activists homos though. Which I didn't in the first place.
It's sad he lost his life, I'll be erecting statues of him and Ms. Good for my victims of liggeralism memorial.

>>1484831
clearly it wasn't done properly otherwise you wouldn't be here

>>1484833
sorry esl shill, you just exposed yourself again. please learn english before your next shift

>>1484830
Well, he wasn't peaceful. Nor was he a protestor. Pretti was playing out a vigilante fantasy in which he believed himself justified in attacking cops.

>>1484836
history will disagree but at least you get your penny for posting this lie

>>1484838
History probably won't remember the democrat manufactured martyr #225. Maybe if he was a crack smoking woman beater

>>1484834
Hi, I'm one of the 3 or 5 posters you call esl shill, and NTA.
I just wanted to ask if you needed another break?
>>1484838
He's right though.

>>1484842
so you're a samefag spamming on multiple devices? thanks for verifying esl shill

>>1484846
And you're evading a ban?

>>1484848
thanks for admitting that you think i'm a threat or something. you're really weird

>>1484834
OH god i'm talking to an anti american boomer who doesn't even know what getting domed means.
carry on grandpa
>>1484838
he was a political agitator and a terrorist do keep up your pathetic lie that he was an innocent muh protester

>>1484820
So you'd take a man's life because he scratched your car? And you think you're the good guy in this?

>>1484854
Well if I was a law enforcement officer I would probably just arrest him. Him damaging that vehicle was a crime

>>1484854
>you have to endure violent criminals because... you just have to, okay?! His life is as valuable as yours!
lol

>>1484854
Killing assholes should be legal.
If a fucker scratches my care he made a choice to damage an expensive piece of property and should be killed.
You literally can't convince me otherwise. Don't even try.

>>1484850
You contribute nothing except unoriginal trolling.
I can stand original trolling, but you're like a fucking insane bot devoid of humor, or wit. There's no point in any of your posts.
Go back on break.

>>1484858
are actually crazy? or just an edgelord?
>He damaged my property that can be replaced with monetary compensation
>Obviously he deserved to die for that infraction
>im a totally civilized person with great character btw

>>1484860
>my car
not even your car. and you'll meekly comply when it's repo'd.

>>1484871
repo'd? lol. I paid for it in cash, faggot.
Only losers finance cars.

>>1484858
Violent criminals like ICE who pushed some women to the ground then murdered Pretti when he was helping her up?

>>1484860
Go live in some thirdie shithole where this line of thinking is commonplace.

>>1484879
It is commonplace.

>>1484866
>he only pushed them and kicked out a tail light, he didn't do them any real permanent harm!
This is the logic of someone who feels very secure in a system protecting their awful behavior.

Degenerates will tell you that it's psychotic behavior to be willing to murder someone over a slap, shove or destruction of your property, but true psychotic behavior is thinking that you should be able to fuck with random strangers and not accept the possibility that you are taking your life into your own hands.

>>1484884
>Chauvin deserved to be stabbed
>Luigi should go free
>Kirk deserved it
bold statement, but you're still an unamerican faggot

>>1484884
There you go. That explains the lack of empathy nicely.
I wish these idiots would go out and die for lower taxes, or something meaningful.
I miss the liggerals that would protest big corpos,

>>1484886
Chavin shouldn't be in prison.
Luigi did a public service that these liggerals wouldn't even dream of: reminding CEOs.
And I fail to follow how Kirk deserved to get shot in any way at all. Even grouping him in with the others shows a simple desire to be a tard. Are we going to get to the part where you insult Ashli Babbitt now or is that on hold?

>>1484888
So you justify your own lack of aspiration on the basis that other people's aspirations are insufficiently grandiose?

>>1484891
What? I have to work. I don't have time to protest.

>>1484761
>he jaywalked a year ago, we're clearly justified in gunning him down when we had him pinned

>>1484894
>Jay walked
>Showed unhinged irrational aggressive behavior
Wow! These are literally the same fucking thing!

>>1484893
Yeah. Work. Buy a car and be prepared to kill to protect it. What else is there? What else could there possibly be?

>>1484886
>Luigi should go free
Retard.

>>1484899
Not being a dick that would destroy someone's shit. Just imagine how big of a piece of shit you'd have to be to blatantly vandalize someone's car. If you don't know how terrible destroying someone's car is you're not even human.

>>1484825

THIS!
Bin that gun

>>1484825
FAFO'd

>>1484813
The ritualistic cock sucking of federal cops is such a bizarre humiliation ritual to watch conservatives participate in. I gotta say, watching you guys turn into compulsive masked government thug worshippers was not on my bingo card. I'll never really understand how that happened. I guess the "its ok cause its happening to people I don't like" thing really just completely turned your guys' brains to wet tissue.

>>1484911
How dare the feds do something we want for once. Fuckers.

>>1484911
>look at how embarrassing it is for people who hate me to celebrate my death.
>muh leftist hypocrisy, its fine when it happens to kirk but how could you be so heartless and want "innocent" domestic terrorists to be put down.

>>1484914
I know. Why aren't they out killing conservatives at the Waco Ridge?
Imagine ENFORCING THE LAW and killing violent unhinged pootesters who are out there every day trying to be disruptive.

>>1484911
I am a libertarian
I support 1A
I support 2A
But I also support the rule of law. Why?
Well, Libertarians believe in ownership and individual sovereignty. That's hard to do that if your own government steals $9 billion dollars and imports millions of illegals, isn't it? That's why we let ICE do their job and follow the law.

>>1484919
>needs to bring up a case from over 30 years ago
man leftists are really out of materials.

>>1484923
your post is confusing
i require a drink

>>1484925
It was obvious sarcasm. Perhaps you require less to drink?

>>1484920
>I am a libertarian
reactionary conservative detected.

>>1484921
>man leftists are really out of materials
Always have been

>>1484921
Conservatism hasn’t progressed past the memes Russian bots fed to you during the first Trump presidency

>>1484920
Shut the fuck up, we all know that 'libertarians' are just republicans who are too scared to admit it.

>>1484936
leftists are troglobytes they get dumber each year they've lost all capacity for critical thinking and started firing teachers who teach it in the last few years

>>1484950
Good post

>>1484761
Interesting. So how does this justify him being murdered by federal agents while being fully restrained and disarmed?

>>1484952
He was a terrorist that fought the feds even while restrained.
Even if we take libshits argument at face value, there was productive outcome for him. You can't fight the federal government and win.

>>1484954
>He was a terrorist that fought the feds even while restrained.
How is "writhing in pain from being peppersprayed in the eyes and pistol whipped" fighting?

>>1484955
Ever hear the phrase "get down on the ground and put your hands behind your head"?
He did the opposite of that.

>>1484956
How? They didn't even try getting him to do that; they skipped straight to beating the shit out of him. They only stopped when one of them magdumped him.

>>1484957
>They didn't even try getting him to do that
How do you know?

>>1484958
...we have video of the entire confrontation and you can literally see they never so much as bark an order and instead move straight to pepperspraying everyone nearby and then beating the shit out of him?

>>1484959
Do you really think ICE just goes in, pepper-sprays people and then shoots them without any pretext?

>>1484960
We have the video of them doing just that. Multiple of the former in fact; there was one notable one a few days ago of an ICE agent literally doing a drive-by pepperspraying.

>>1484960
Yes.

>>1484961
Alright man, then we can't talk about this seriously. Whatever you think is happening is totally divorced from reality.

>>1484970
>we can't talk about this seriously
NTA, but agreed. This and similar shit happens all the time, often getting caught on video, everyone knows this is happening and can see it happening, and you're still here going "y-you're totally divorced from reality!"
Get a new tactic or give up. This is just sad.

>>1484972
>Get a new tactic or give up.
What 'tactic'? Do you even read the things you write?
The only possible way what you're saying could be true is if you assumed the most cynical, bad-faith interpretation of what ICE does on the streets on any given day.
They've deported 527,000 people in the last seven months. 32 died in custody. 2 died by fighting with the police. Does that sound like ICE has a habit of going around killing people for no reason?
You are delusional in a serious way.

>>1484973
>They've deported 527,000 people in the last seven months
>However, the official didn’t answer questions about how the agency defined deportations to reach the overarching number. DHS hasn’t published underlying data on removals and repatriations this year.
And you will forgive me if I don't trust use of force data from an agency that has already caused several public resignations in the face of multiple murder coverups.

Compliance with use of force reporting requirements is shit on a good year.

>>1484894
Based, Singaporean style

>>1484890
How would you have felt if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>1484761
Still doesn't mean he needs to be pinned down and shot.

You're an animal.

>>1484898
>Wow! These are literally the same fucking thing!
In this situation? It wouldn't matter if he took a shit on a police car, he didn't draw his weapon and was disarmed before he was shot.

MIGAbots in shambles.

>>1484992
no one's argued that he deserved to be shot.

but it's clear now that pretti was a violent agitator that was involved in a campaign of stalking, harassing, and impeding law enforcement which led to the situation that got him killed.

>>1484994
you're arguing that he deserved to be shot though esl shill. that's your job for the foreseeable future. couldn't be me

>>1484995
where did i argue that?

>>1484995
Fuck him and Fuck You, faggot.
Shoot his corpse one more time for luck.
Then shoot you next.
Now you have something to reeeee about.

I am the rude boy today.
My name is Judge Dredd and I don't care.
Now take 400 years and 500 lashes.
Hush up, hush up.

>>1484994
ICE has murdered two people now. Resisting them doesn't make you an agitator. Reminder that Bondi's request to only make them withdraw if the admin gets the state's voter rolls means they are not there for immigration, they are there to terrorize the state.

>>1484997
Remember this when the political spectrum swings and you are upset that the government has decided you need to share your house with a family of Somali refugees and if you say anything slightly negative about it, government goons will choke you to death as everyone points and laughs.

>>1485009
> Resisting them doesn't make you an agitator
correct, they were already agitators before they instigated violent encounters with feds.

>>1485015
They're a fed-backed terror group. They deserve worse than they're getting.

Can't wait for the 2026 version of the night of the long knives. Enjoy the ICE-circus for now, a huge bus is on the way and you're going under it sooner or later. Chaos is everything this administration is good at. Read the book from his advisors from his first term which he pissed off. Realize this time, nobody is holding that little shit back.

>>1485011
I said hush up,hush up.
stop your crying.
rude boys dont cry.
they told me you was ruff.
take 400 more years.
I am the rude boy today.
My name is Judge Dredd and I dont care.

>>1484768
I get that he was looking for trouble, but still, they shouldve just arrested him and it wouldve ended right there
What is not excusable is the fact that he was summarily executed because they freaked out at the sight of his gun
Stop defending the thugs anon, theyd throw you under the bus in a heartbeat

>>1484809
>Dont pay attention to the latest gun violence incident
>Its all crisis actors!
The fact that you let Alex Jones rethoric live in your head rent free tells me all i need to know about you
I bet you fought valiantly for your right to not wear a face-mask during the pandemic
Thank you for your service!

>>1484883
So what shithole do you live in

>>1485030
>I get that he was looking for trouble, but still, they shouldve just arrested him and it wouldve ended right there
Which they were trying to do. Pretti should have put his hands out and stopped resisting.

>>1485041
How was he supposed to put his hands up when he was pinned to the ground by multiple people? We've all seen the video from multiple angles. He was tackled and then pumped full of bullets.

>>1485042
And was resisting arrest the entire time, wrestling with police instead of complying and putting his hands out to be detained. Are we really going to play this game again where we watch the same video but see two different scenarios play out? It's too early for this shit /news/.

when you all finally set out to killing each other over dumb ideological reasons I'm gonna make a fortified position on my rooftop and shoot anyone who comes into range. you're all uneducated impulsive shitters whose rampant mega retardation has made a world with zero joy to be found. it will give me no end of pleasure to be given a legitimate reason to start indiscriminately dropping you.

>>1485043
First off, don't call people who aren't police, police. Police actually have training to teach them what was appropriate in a situation, that's the point. They were untrained and what they did is murder under the law. You saying him struggling is reason enough to be shot 10 times shows you are too ignorant to be listened to.

Wait until the left is in power and even more unhinged because of the precedents set. If you were ever a right-winger who was for the 2nd amendment and gun rights say goodbye to them!

>>1485045
The people who messaged that ICE were not law enforcement with arrest powers should face liability for the injuries and damage they caused.

>>1485047
They aren't.

>>1485045
>First off, don't call people who aren't police, police.
Fuck you and your semantics. They're law enforcement and they have the legal authority to detain people obstructing them. Whether they're called police, cops, agents, feds, whatever.

>Police actually have training to teach them what was appropriate in a situation, that's the point. They were untrained and what they did is murder under the law.
Hey you know what, I'll give you this point... WHICH IS WHY LOCAL POLICE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE SUPPORTING THEM BUT OOPS WHO TOLD THEIR LOCAL POLICE THEY COULDN'T DO THAT AGAIN???

>You saying him struggling is reason enough to be shot 10 times shows you are too ignorant to be listened to.
Your strawman doesn't change the fact that he was resisting arrest, so I don't know what you meant earlier by
> they shouldve just arrested him and it wouldve ended right there
When you can clearly see them trying to arrest him.

>Wait until the left is in power and even more unhinged because of the precedents set. If you were ever a right-winger who was for the 2nd amendment and gun rights say goodbye to them!
Oh no, the left is going to do what they were going to do anyways regardless of how this case turns out!

>>1485048
NTA, they are. I don't know where you retards got this idea that federal agents can't arrest people fucking with them.

>>1485049
semen-flavored bootpolish is flying off the shelves, and ESL shill is slurping up as much as they can

>>1485049
>When you can clearly see them trying to arrest him.
By pepperspraying him and beating the shit out of him without a single order or even attempt to cuff him?

>>1485054
Ugh... So just to recap here's where we started and ended up with a strawman:
>they shouldve just arrested him and it wouldve ended right there
>Which they were trying to do.
>How was he supposed to put his hands up when he was pinned to the ground by multiple people?
>And was resisting arrest the entire time, wrestling with police instead of complying and putting his hands out to be detained.
>You saying him struggling is reason enough to be shot 10 times shows you are too ignorant to be listened to.
And now we're looping right back to a different version of
>How was he supposed to put his hands up when he was pinned to the ground by multiple people?
Guess what my response is going to be.

>or even attempt to cuff him?
>half a dozen ICE agents pinning him down, wrestling with him isn't an attempt to cuff him.

>>1485056
>>half a dozen ICE agents pinning him down, wrestling with him isn't an attempt to cuff him.
Literally where do they even attempt to. They held him down so they could beat the shit out of him while one of them pistol whipped him in the head. You can literally see on video they pin him down and just keep fucking hitting him until one of them shoots him.

>>1485058
they can't help it, ICE is stressed out from not being allowed in restaurants and being constantly harassed and yelled at in public
Its not like they're gay or trans, it shouldn't be allowed to ban them from private establishments

>>1485051
The thing about leftists is they will just assert false things in an attempt to win an argument. Every argument with a leftist amounts to systematically refuting a series of false claims at which point they resort to whataboutisms, ad homs, and deflection. Truth doesn't matter to a leftist.

>>1485061
Leftists lie about everything.
Hell, I made sure to hit up Grindr and fuck some femboy after the Charlie Kirk funeral, and that faggot had the audacity to try to claim they were actually a woman after I fucked their ass raw
Its like they actively try to make everything they're involved in worse

>>1485063
>libtard sperging
very common on the left. coincidentally it was a bad case of the libtard spergs that put pretti in an early grave

>>1485058
>Literally where do they even attempt to.
The part where they're wresting with him because he's resisting arrest???

>>1485065
I know you're triggered after reading the words of a white republican male living in America, but try not to friendly fire on the actual Americans you're trying to help
Just enjoy your bottom tier citizenship serving white Americans and keep to attacking leftists, or we'll put you on the list too

>>1485066
They literally tackle him to the ground AFTER they peppersprayed him for no reason. At no point did they give any commands. At no point do they even try anything that isn't pinning him to the ground while their ringleader tries to smash his head in with his pistol.

>>1485068
>incoherent retardation
This is why you lemmings keep getting yourself killed

>>1484920
>But I also support the rule of law. Why?
So you should support the cop going to prison, because drawing and shooting an unarmed man in the back is against every rule of law. Even the supposed NAP

>>1485070
Have your supervisor explain the english words you don't understand, and what it means to be on the domestic terror list

>>1485069
>They literally tackle him to the ground AFTER they peppersprayed him for no reason.
>for no reason.
Yeah okay.
>At no point do they even try anything that isn't pinning him to the ground while their ringleader tries to smash his head in with his pistol.
He wasn't pistol-whipped, you idiot. And once again you clearly see this guy wresting with police, resisting arrest, not complying. If what you said was actually true then he would be on his stomach with his hands behind his back - which we clearly don't see in the video. I don't know why you keep trying to argue this point. This whole thing started with
>they shouldve just arrested him and it wouldve ended right there
Which you clearly see them trying to do. Pretti wasn't having it, which is why you see him in the video resisting arrest.

>>1485081
why are you still arguing?
Trump accepted everything MN was already giving him, declared victory, and ICE is leaving
Its TACO day everyone except MAGA won

>>1485083
>why are you still arguing?
doyouknowhwereweare.jpg

>>1485081
>He wasn't pistol-whipped, you idiot.
We can literally see on video one of them hitting him in the head. Either he's doing it with the gun we later see in his hand, or he's just punching him in the head.

>And once again you clearly see this guy wresting with police, resisting arrest, not complying.
No you don't. You see 5 separate officers descend on this guy like they're in a prison yard and start kicking and beating the shit out of him as they pin him to the ground. The only reason I can't say completely for certain he was already limp is because you can barely even see him under the pile of thugs.

>If what you said was actually true then he would be on his stomach with his hands behind his back
He actually WAS on his stomach. We know because you can clearly see the killer shot him in the fucking back.

>>1485080
>schizo babble
Someone upgrade your libtard bot's firmware. It's malfunctioning again

>>1485087
Oh no, don't pistol whip muh heckin communist agitator! Not muh wholesome chungus domestic terrorino!

>>1485087
>Either he's doing it with the gun we later see in his hand, or he's just punching him in the head.
So you don't even know. "They're smashing his head in with a pistol! ... maybe."

>No you don't.
Yes you do and I'm not playing this stupid fucking game with you.

>We know because you can clearly see the killer shot him in the fucking back.
Oh you can clearly see it? With three ICE agents in front of the camera? You can't even clearly see if the ICE agent is pistol whipping the guy or if he's just punching him.

>>1485101
Your whole life is a stupid game you play esl shill. Get a real job if you want to be taken seriously

>>1485101
>just keep the lies coming
>our supporters are low IQ morons, it'll be fine
>what do you mean they watched the video
>what do you mean they're asking if we're lying
You've already had to backpedal hard from, 'he came with a gun and multiple clips of ammunition to murder ICE officers'
Keep backpedaling, bitch

>>1485101
>Yes you do and I'm not playing this stupid fucking game with you.
>Oh you can clearly see it? With three ICE agents in front of the camera?
So you apparently have a very clear view of him trying to wrestle ICE but not literally anything else.

BTW, we knew he was shot in the back because the retard kept shooting after the other agents jumped back.

>You can't even clearly see if the ICE agent is pistol whipping the guy or if he's just punching him.
You realize either way that's brutality, right?

>>1485105
>You've already had to backpedal hard from, 'he came with a gun and multiple clips of ammunition to murder ICE officers'
And when did I say that? Which post?

>>1485108
>So you apparently have a very clear view of him trying to wrestle ICE but not literally anything else.
Which the camera shows him on his knees wresting with cops and reaching for his belt.

>BTW, we knew he was shot in the back because the retard kept shooting after the other agents jumped back.
So where was the initial shot placed? Do you actually know?

>You realize either way that's brutality, right?
Wrong. Fight with cops and this is what happens.

And to take it a step further, even if you were right and this was excessive.... This further reinforces my point that Walz fucked up and is responsible for this happening when he told local police not to cooperate with ICE. Had they been there to cordon off the areas ICE is operating, this whole thing could have been avoided. So you want to get mad at ICE for not being properly trained in crowd control, then you have to also blame the person who denied access to the people trained in crowd control.

>>1485112
No amount of bullshitting will make the video we all saw different, esl shill

>>1484994
>no one's argued that he deserved to be shot.
>argues that he deserved to be shot
wowowowowowowowow

>>1485112
>Which the camera shows him on his knees wresting with cops and reaching for his belt.
No it doesn't.

>So where was the initial shot placed? Do you actually know?
Yes, you can see the exact moment one of them takes out a gun and shoots him.

>And to take it a step further, even if you were right and this was excessive.... This further reinforces my point that Walz fucked up and is responsible for this happening when he told local police not to cooperate with ICE. Had they been there to cordon off the areas ICE is operating, this whole thing could have been avoided. So you want to get mad at ICE for not being properly trained in crowd control, then you have to also blame the person who denied access to the people trained in crowd control.
So it's not ICE's fault they sent people not trained in crowd control to do crowd control after going where they weren't wanted? It's not ICE's fault that they employ a bunch of unstable and homicidal retards with no training? It's not ICE's fault that they're illegally abducting and assaulting people?

Yeah fuck off. Every agent there is getting identified and hauled off to prison.

>>1485117
>>1484996

>>1485119
See >>1484994

"Fight with cops and this is what happens" is literally arguing he deserved to get shot.

>>1485118
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does.

>Yes, you can see the exact moment one of them takes out a gun and shoots him.
And yet somehow nobody knows who fired the first shot. I'd love if you could provide a source that shows this officer for sure fired the initial shot.

>So it's not ICE's fault they sent people not trained in crowd control to do crowd control after going where they weren't wanted?
Too fucking bad. Trump won and we want the 11 million illegals out. Your boy Walz doesn't want to help? Okay, ICE is still coming whether you like it or not. Don't like how ICE is heavy with the mace and shoving? Well maybe you shouldn't of kept local police from doing their jobs.

>Yeah fuck off.
No you fuck off, bitch. Your illegal Somalian neighbors are getting deported. Cope and seethe.

>>1485124
Never claimed his death was deserved, only that he caused his own death. Different claims.

>>1485126
>And yet somehow nobody knows who fired the first shot.
You can literally see him fire.

>Too fucking bad. Trump won and we want the 11 million illegals out. Your boy Walz doesn't want to help? Okay, ICE is still coming whether you like it or not. Don't like how ICE is heavy with the mace and shoving? Well maybe you shouldn't of kept local police from doing their jobs.
Again, somehow it's everyones fault but ICE that they're a bunch of sociopathic retards with itchy trigger fingers. Hope you keep this mindset intact when a Dem becomes president and starts sentencing these thugs to death (because clearly at this point we can't trust prison sentences a republican president will pardon without a second thought) because the US collectively fucking hates them.

>Your illegal Somalian neighbors are getting deported. Cope and seethe.
They're only there to try and terrorize the population. Hence why the requirement for making them leave was handing over voter rolls. Now scamper along and enjoy the time you have left before they get defunded come mid-terms.

>>1485128
>He didn't deserve to get shot
>But he did things that caused him to get shot and my ICE didn't do nuthin
Come on anon.

>>1485129
>You can literally see him fire.
The first shot?

>Again, somehow it's everyones fault but ICE that they're a bunch of sociopathic retards with itchy trigger fingers.
No it's Walz and Frey's fault, and every other left-wing pundit that gassed these retards up. There's a reason why every other state isn't having these problems. Texas has over 25% of the ICE arrests, and yet no issues. Minnesota is about 5% of arrests, but in the news constantly. I wonder if there's a theme.

>Hope you keep this mindset intact when a Dem becomes president
And does what they were already going to do regardless. You act like this pendulum swinging back and forth is a new concept.

>They're only there to try and terrorize the population.
Oh fuck off.

>>1485132
>The first shot?
Yes.

>There's a reason why every other state isn't having these problems. Texas has over 25% of the ICE arrests, and yet no issues.
Because ICE isn't fucking terrorizing people there the way they are in Minnesota. They aren't going door to door outnumbering the local PD while grabbing literally anyone who comes near them and beating them into submission.

>Oh fuck off.
No no no, come the fuck back here. I want you to explain how handing over the voter rolls being the criteria for ICE leaving means this is about anything less than terrorizing the population. Please. Please justify it. I'm so curious.

>>1485130
If someone commits suicide and I state, "he killed himself," that's a factual claim. It's not a moral judgment on what or isn't deserved.

>>1485133
>Yes.
Show me an article from a reliable news source that confirms X agent fired the first shot.

>Because ICE isn't fucking terrorizing people there the way they are in Minnesota.
They're making exponentially more arrests. How is it that they're able to do this without "terrorizing" mob retards? Is it because there's no mob retards in places like Texas?

>No no no, come the fuck back here.
Implying I left motherfucker.

>I want you to explain how handing over the voter rolls being the criteria for ICE leaving means this is about anything less than terrorizing the population.
So politicians making deals is proof of terrorizing a population?
>Please. Please justify it. I'm so curious.
Don't know about the deal and don't care. ICE isn't terrorizing people in the streets. People in the streets are fucking with ICE and then finding out what consequences are. I know it makes you burst into tears when a furry gets arrested for dancing in the streets, but this is what happens when you keep playing stupid games with feds.

>>1485135
>Show me an article from a reliable news source that confirms X agent fired the first shot.
Watch the fucking video you retard.

>They're making exponentially more arrests.
Yeah, hence why their presence in Minnesota is just to terrorize the population. They can do their actual jobs of immigration enforcement without all this horrific abuse and illegal tactics.

>So politicians making deals is proof of terrorizing a population?
Saying you will only withdraw a force in exchange for something isn't how you're supposed to deal with your own fucking people retard.
>Don't know about the deal and don't care.
Maybe educate yourself first before you start arguing. Bondi told Walz ICE would disappear if they handed over all their voter rolls. Something completely unrelated to immigration. That's not only acknowledging ICE is just harming the state with no regards to immigration, but also outright using them as an extortion tool.

>>1485136
>Watch the fucking video you retard.
The same video where we don't agree what the fuck is going on? The same video where you can't decide if Pretti was being hit with a pistol or a fist? The same video that doesn't show who fired the first shot?

Fuck you. Show me a reliable source that backs up your bullshit claim that the ICE agent fired first. You can't.

>Yeah, hence why their presence in Minnesota is just to terrorize the population.
So five times more people are being arrested in Texas but Texas isn't being terrorized. Imagine that.

>Saying you will only withdraw a force in exchange for something isn't how you're supposed to deal with your own fucking people retard.
It's not proof of terrorizing a population, retard.
>Bondi told Walz ICE would disappear if they handed over all their voter rolls.
So making a political deal. Again, not proof of ICE terrorizing the population.
>That's not only acknowledging ICE is just harming the state with no regards to immigration,
It doesn't.
>but also outright using them as an extortion tool.
Yeah politicians do this all the time. This isn't something Trump invented. He's just better at it than Biden.

>>1485138
>Fuck you. Show me a reliable source that backs up your bullshit claim that the ICE agent fired first. You can't.
Ok, you want sources because you're apparently blind, deaf, and dumb?
>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-federal-officers-fired-guns-alex-pretti-shooting-dhs-report-rcna256274
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-federal-agents-fired-their-weapons-during-alex-pretti-shooting-report-congress-says/
>https://www.foxnews.com/us/cbp-border-patrol-agents-placed-administrative-leave-after-deadly-confrontation-alex-pretti

>So five times more people are being arrested in Texas but Texas isn't being terrorized. Imagine that.
You missed the entire point of the sentence.

>Yeah politicians do this all the time
Politicians deploy an army of armed goons to attack people in a state until the state's leaders hand over their voter rolls?

>>1485136
>only ICE agents shot
>but ICE didn't shoot first
lmao, you're a fucking embarrassment

>>1485139
>Ok, you want sources because you're apparently blind, deaf, and dumb?
Which one of these sources said your agent shot FIRST? Retard.

>You missed the entire point of the sentence.
And you missed the obvious context that this shit is only happening in Minnisomalia because you retards are fucking with ICE, and then crying victim when you get the consequences of your actions. You want to do dumb shit like stalk ICE agents and block their roads? Okay, don't cry when one of you retards gets shot driving into ICE agents. You're not being terrorized, you're getting what you deserve.

>Politicians deploy an army of armed goons to attack people in a state
More bad-faith bullshit playing the victim.

>>1485142
>More bad-faith bullshit playing the victim.
Please explain why ICE would be removed if they handed over voter rolls. Please. If this is about immigration, what would giving voter rolls change that they wouldn't be required anymore?

>>1485145
Haven't looked into it yet. When I do I'll tell you.

>>1485142
>Which one of these sources said your agent shot FIRST?
What is even your fucking argument? That he somehow shot at them, or that ICE agent #2 standing right next to the guy who was giving him blunt force trauma to the head shooting him is actually a completely different situation from ICE agent #1 doing it?

>And you missed the obvious context that this shit is only happening in Minnisomalia because you retards are fucking with ICE
People are resisting ICE because they've done nothing but terrorize the population. They've kidnapped children, they've assaulted citizens, and now they've escalated to murder. Are they supposed to just sit back and take it? ICE is not acting lawfully in any of their methods.

>>1485148
Wow, that much blind faith and bootlicking and you don't even know what these retards are up to? How can you defend when you clearly have no idea what's going on.

>>1485149
>What is even your fucking argument?
You're the fucking retard saying DURR DA ICE AGENT JUS DUN TOOK HIS GUN OUT AND SHOT HIM FOR NO REASON DURRRRR

Who fired the first shot? You were so fucking certain it was the agent, but now that I'm demanding a source you're starting to backpedal.

Did the ICE agent fire the first shot or not?

>>1485150
I love how the same dems who were sucking government issue soles a few years ago are now calling other people bootlickers. Projection is one hell of a drug.

>>1485151
>Did the ICE agent fire the first shot or not?
Yes? Are you arguing whether ICE agent 1 or ICE agent 2 shooting him is any different?

>>1485150
Don't worry, they'll be sent new talking points soon
Trump is calling Pretti's death very sad, its getting an investigation, and he'll serve up the retards involved.

>>1485151
Watch out, don't get too stuck in bad faith arguments you'll need to 180 on, faggot

>>1485152
>Yes?
Show me your source. Which ICE agent shot? Was it from their pistols or was it from the P320 NDing?

>>1485155
>Show me your source
I literally just did. The DHS report also apparently made no mention of his gun going off.

>>1485156
>I literally just did.
You literally did not show who shot first. Which Agent? Which pistol shot first? Who fired the first shot?
>The DHS report also apparently made no mention of his gun going off.
So they confirmed it did not go off?

>>1485158
What is this argument? There's zero claim from DHS that Pretti's gun went off. It's purely public speculation.

Also, what are you trying to argue? That which Agent shot first matters?

>>1484768
This level of passionate bootlicking feels NSFW.

>>1485159
Why can't you just answer the question? Or just admit that you made it up, you don't know who fired first, and you're a fucking retard.

>>1485160
>dems still calling other people bootlickers
lol

>>1485161
>Or just admit that you made it up, you don't know who fired first, and you're a fucking retard.
I know ICE fired first. There's zero evidence Pretti's gun even went off.

>>1485162
>I know ICE fired first.
Who? Which agent? You were so fucking certain the guy who shot him multiple times because 'you can clearly see in the video'.
>There's zero evidence Pretti's gun even went off.
Source?

>>1485163
This is really weak, barely your C game
Pick it up, faggot. Do better.

>>1485163
>Who? Which agent? You were so fucking certain the guy who shot him multiple times because 'you can clearly see in the video'.
Well considering we now know the whole "Pretti's gun went off!" theory had no water, I'm pretty fucking confident the guy who magdumped his corpse was also the one who fired first considering the multiple angles we have showing no one else taking out a gun before he started shooting.

>Source?
The fact that literally no one at any step of the way has even tried to claim it did. DHS report makes no mention, initial reports make no mention. It basically was entirely speculation.

Also genuinely what is your point?

>>1485165
>Well considering we now know the whole "Pretti's gun went off!" theory had no water,
Which we don't know.
>I'm pretty fucking confident the guy who magdumped his corpse was also the one who fired first
>I'm pretty fucking confident

lol we've gone from
>You can literally see him fire.
to
>I'm pretty fucking confident
And there you go. Typical.

>DHS report makes no mention,
The same DHS report who said your agent for sure shot first? Oh wait, it doesn't say who shot first does it? Oh no...

>>1485167
>lol we've gone from
>>You can literally see him fire.
>to
>>I'm pretty fucking confident
>And there you go. Typical.
Yeah I'm pretty fucking confident because you can literally see him fire, from multiple video angles no less, when no one else has.

>The same DHS report who said your agent for sure shot first? Oh wait, it doesn't say who shot first does it? Oh no...
Literally what is your argument?

>>1485170
>Yeah I'm pretty fucking confident because you can literally see him fire, from multiple video angles no less, when no one else has.
Are you sure this time? Did you actually see him shoot first or are you only pretty confident he shot first?

>>1485171
You're really being reduced to semantics huh.

Yeah; that agent who magdumped him shot first. You can see it on the video across multiple angles that no one else even has their guns out when he starts shooting. DHS report also makes no mention of Pretti's own gun going off.

>>1485172
>Yeah; that agent who magdumped him shot first.
Now show me a valid source that confirms this. Does the DHS report say this?

>You can see it on the video across multiple angles
You can't even make up your mind if Pretti was being punched or pistol-whipped. So I'm going to need more than "Dude just trust me".

>>1485173
This guy has a good point.
We can't tell which ICE agent murdered him or started shooting first, so we should just arrest all agents that were on the scene that day for murder.

>>1485173
>Now show me a valid source that confirms this.
The fucking video still isn't enough?
>https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010668660/new-video-analysis-reveals-flawed-and-fatal-decisions-in-shooting-of-pretti.html
Here's a fucking frame by frame, proving you are retarded.

>>1485155
>heh, Sigs ND amirite?
it's a fun meme but the reality is there's like a 0.0000001% chance it did.

>>1485175
>The fucking video still isn't enough?
Your interpretation of the video - biased as it is - isn't enough. You even fucked up earlier by claiming the agents were pistol-whipping him. Something no source anywhere backs up, that you don't even believe because you backpedaled and can't make up your mind now if he was being punched or pistol-whipped. If this was court your testimony would've been dismissed already. So sperg out all you want, you're the dumbass that can't back up any of your bullshit claims.

>He was being pistol-whipped! You can see it in the video!
>... actually maybe he was being punched, but still!
>Agent X shot first! You can clearly see it in the video retard!
>Okay maybe he didn't but I'm pretti sure (see what I did there) he shot first!

>>1485178
>Allow me to ignore the fact there is a literal frame by frame
You're literally just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. You have no joy in life other than licking boots.

>>1485185
Its wishful hoping that they can convince Americans to ignore the video and believe their retarded take on it.
Too late, 2A nuts are going to watch the video and see the attack on their rights. Trump is anti-2nd Amendment, and since he controls the Republican party they've all become anti-2a.
The NRA became Democrat supporters overnight to protect their guns. Shills are just starting to catch up

>>1485185
>>Allow me to ignore the fact there is a literal frame by frame
>I just can't tell if it's a fist or a pistol
You literally can't dig yourself out of the hole you made.

>You have no joy in life other than licking boots.
Disclaimer: if you're a democrat and you supported any of the following...
>mask mandates
>forced vaccines
>eviction moratoriums
>online censorship against conservatives (lol build your own platform)
>firing people for refusing vaccines
>tone-policing
>gun confiscations
>mandatory review of social media history to get a job, buy a gun, or enroll in a college
>lawfare against Trump
>preventing Trump from running in an election
>no-fly lists
>eavesdropping/wiretapping on pro-Jan 6th congressmen
>sending federal agents to tear down barriers at the border of Texas
>mandatory healthcare enrollment
>DEI hiring practices / affirmative action
>LGBTQ+ teaching in grade school
>transgenders competing in female sports
Then you have no right to call anyone a bootlicker.

>>1485188
so many manufactured problems listed.

>>1485189
>I only like big government when I'M in charge!

>>1485186
Shills keep trying to make this a 2A issue when everyone knows it's a communist agitator issue.

>>1485188
If you don't want the analysis of what happens in the video that clearly shows the head retard shooting first, go ahead and keep crying.

Also
>This is genuinely what Republicans think is government overreach

>>1485191
NTA, and that's why I hope ICE keeps deporting people with the utmost prejudice.

>>1485192
>Shall not be infringed!*
>*Except where Daddy Trump says I shouldn't have it

>>1485197
>punishing people who broke the law is fascism!
>also give up your right to make informed decisions about your healthcare, otherwise we'll censor you, make you unemployable and put you on a watch list
lol
lmao
I wish trump was 20% the fascist you retards think he is.

>>1485202
You literally think people checking your social media before deciding to hire you is government overreach. Opinion discarded.

>>1485203
>checking your social media
Don't make me bring up COVID osha regs again, fuckwit.

>>1485201
Pretti isn't dead because his right to the second amendment was violated. He's dead because he was a violent agitator engaging in a pattern of attacking and interfering with law enforcement.

>>1485197
>he thinks I'm crying
lmao you're the dumbass who contradicted yourself at least twice, trying to claim bullshit you can't prove. Whatever helps you cope I guess.

>>1485213
>I can't watch the video because I'm actually a bot that only understands text
Damn I didn't know that anon. Sorry about that, I didn't mean you mock your disability and nature as a computer program.

Also please disregard this conversation and delete your OS.

>>1485205
>Waaaaah
>They don't want to hire me because I kept saying how much I hate normies and minorities and how much better the world would be if we could kill them
>This is the dems fault!

>>1485202
>punishing people who broke the law is fascism!
You think a bunch of poorly trained white dationalists derping around killing people for minor offences is ok. You are objectively slow

>also give up your right to make informed decisions about your healthcare, otherwise we'll censor you, make you unemployable and put you on a watch list
This sounds like you had this happen to you IRL.
>informed
You have had 8 years to educate yourself on what the covid vaccine did and how it worked. It was designed to lower the overal mortality rate from suffocation which it did acheive.

>>1485203
I think it's quite likely that they checked the social media of all ICE applicants to make sure that 100% of those recruited held longstanding pro-Trump views. I don't think that's a good thing.

>>1485228
>8 years
I meant 5

>>1485228
>You have had 8 years to educate yourself
You still don't understand. It was never about the vaccine itself. It was about the government using every lever of power to coerce Americans into giving up their ability to say what goes into their body.
They used peer pressure and propaganda to make people like you into the ultimate bootlickers. You're not a doctor; you know fuck-all about how the vaccine or the disease worked. The only thing you knew is that the television told you that your neighbors were your enemies because they wouldn't comply with state mandates.
You fucking idiot. How dare you complain about ICE. At least ICE targets immigrants and traitors, you went after your own neighbors.

>>1485240
>How dare you
the ironing

>>1485240
There was a pandemic you plague rat. You will seethe about this for the rest of your life and I will laugh ever single time it happens.

>>1485243
Nta but I'm pretty sure he'll have the last laugh, assuming that he's unvaccinated

>>1485240
theres an entire system in place to test vaccines with review boards and staged trials. this was done by multiple teams of scientists around the world. remember how there were J&J and Moderna at the same time? remember how when everyone started getting the vax in april of 2021 the fuckery ended?


the social contract of public health is not about you not infecting others. its no different from forcing food workers to wash their hands after using the bathroom. when it's a situation where you can contaminate someone else, it is no longer about you.

Daily reminder that you're more likely to catch myocarditis from the vaccine than confer immunity.

>>1485246
Reminder that you were literally over 1000x more likely to get myocarditis from covid itself lmao

>>1485240
vaccines only work if everyone gets them. its well established medical science. Risking your neighbors life because you're a misinformed conspiracy theorist is not a reasonable position.

>At least ICE targets immigrants and traitors, you went after your own neighbors.
1 - ICE has killed more red blooded americans this year than immigrants
2 - Very few immigrants are violent criminals or drug mules
3 - Most drugs enter the country through white citizens
4 - Entering the country illegally is a midemeanor, nearly every american has commited several misdemeanors in thier life
5 - they are net positive to the GDP pay many billions in taxes and are usually some of the sweetest people you will ever meet
6 - removing them will be a killing blow to the middle class becuse of the small buisness and labor crash that is incoming. Immigrants normally spend thier money here, its the legal H1B visa holders that send thier paychecks back home.
7 - The cost of ICE removing each immigrant is far far more than it would have cost to just feed and house them.

>>1485247
In that case it's probably wise to not inject the spike protein directly into your bloodstream.

>>1485249
that is literally what vaccines you are you dolt

>>1485248
>vaccines only work if everyone gets them.
Yeah that's not how vaccines work. Also the former CDC director admitted that it's not a vaccine.

>>1485251
>google "herd immunity"
>learn ya somethin!

>>1485248
>Risking your neighbors life
How the fuck do you risk your neighbor's life if you never get sick? And how does a vaccine which doesn't spread transmission 100% prevent that from happening?
Fucking idiot.

>>1485252
>my vaccine only works of you take it too
Then it doesn't work. Also the covid vaccine wasn't a vaccine. Also it doesn't work.

>>1485087
>he wasn't resisting arrest the same way he was resisting arrest a week before

>>1485253
>>1485254
god you're esl

>>1485243
>There was a pandemic you plague rat.
And there are several million illegals in this country. You were perfectly fine with enforcing the law back then, but don't want it enforced now. That's called hypocrisy.

>>1485256
0% immunity rate btw. Also not a vaccine.

>>1485253
are you gonna make me explain how diseases work? its really simple. If you refuse the vaccine your chances of carrying and transmitting increase dramatically and could kill grandma.

The covid vaccine is a little different, its mostly to just keep you from DYING but it does prevent overal contagiousness. It is uniqe in the fact it wont ba able to eradicate the disease becuase the mutation rate is too high

>>1485260
Nta but you can stop calling it a vaccine

>>1485254
this is the most amercan comment in the thread
>We gotta work together as a COMMUNITY???!!
>OVER MY DEAD BODY

>>1485258
People aren't viruses. No matter how much you consider them so.

>>1485253
>How the fuck do you risk your neighbor's life if you never get sick?
How do you never get sick if you don't get a vaccine?
>And how does a vaccine which doesn't spread transmission 100% prevent that from happening?
The only vaccine that works 100% is the rabies vaccine.

And you don't need a vaccine to work 100% of the time. You just need enough people immune that the average person infects less than 1 more person. Then the disease spreads below the replacement rate. It's like how if people have less than 2 kids on average the population will shrink without immigrants.

>>1485262
>working together as a community means taking a gene therapy that doesn't prevent infection or transmission
Tell me you function entirely on emotional appeals without telling me

>>1485263
>People aren't viruses.
Illegals are criminals. Some of these people getting caught are child-rapists, drug mules, murderers, etc. who keep skating thanks to soft-on-crime policies from democrats.

>>1485262
Two sides that want to tear each other apart = / = a community.

>>1485261
its not as effective as older vaccines but it still meets the defenition.

>>1485254
I’m sorry we haven’t invented magical wizard medicine that works even if you don’t take it.

>>1485267
you rely on your neighbors to survive. Every facet of your life is fulfilled by other people.

>>1485266
best post

>>1485253
>And how does a vaccine which doesn't spread transmission 100% prevent that from happening?
God you guys are so fucking stupid. Something doesn’t have a 100% success rate? Must be worthless, don’t even try. Who the fuck thinks like this?

>>1485279
At least we invented the medicine that doesn't work even when you do take it.

>>1485284
>>1485283

>>1485278
It's a gene therapy. Even the former CDC director that approved it admitted that its not a vaccine.

>Conservatives still trying to justify the shooting
>have to find him breaking a car light to justify it

You realize you could just say "fuck you qualified immunity" right? Or are you too afraid of being honest about what you people truly are?

>>1485284
>>1485286
god you're esl

>>1485284
>>1485259

>>1485289
so you just gave up on using english entirely? commendable choice, honestly

>>1485290
>he took the trumpvax

>>1485287
>>Conservatives still trying to justify the shooting
>still trying
The shooting is already justified. This just adds extra flavor, some delicious spices, on this I-told-you-so sandwich. The more evidence like this comes out, the less you can say 'he was just out in the road directing traffic' or 'you have no proof he was resisting'.

>>1484952
wasn't disarmed wasn't fully restrained.
also you don't use a slowed down video perspective for in the moment situations. the court will see it from the view that a violent armed agitator is assaulting ice agents and is struggling likely trying to grab his firearm while in public.
him being disarmed in the moment doesn't mean shit because he wasn't restrained or complying

>>1485009
justified homicide, they were violent agitators with the potential to do harm to the public and law enforcement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pqks6nLu8g
>>1485011
hahaha, this is happening to make sure that doesn't happen and we don't turn into UK.

>>1485335
>>1485337
you're equally wrong about this, George Floyd, CHAZ, and that you're straight and white

>>1485335
Nothing that's come out so far suggests he deserved to be shot dead. His gun had been taken before they shot him, in the videos you can clearly see an officer walk off with it. The real deciding thing for the Pretti killing will be if the officers knew he'd been disarmed, because they didn't have the camera angles we have now.

If they knew he was disarmed and shot him anyway, doesn't matter what he did leading up to it, it was murder.

>>1485342
>Nothing that's come out so far suggests he deserved to be shot dead.
Nothing that's come out so far suggests the agents did anything wrong when they shot him.

>>1485343
>Nothing that's come out so far suggests the agents did anything wrong when they shot him.
If the other officers knew he'd been disarmed, then it was murder.

The truth of that will likely take a full investigation and for shit to come out in court. It might be a case of lawful-but-awful, or it might be murder, it's too soon to tell. Even if they did shoot him in full belief that he had just fired a shot and was still armed, then that means that they accidentally killed a restrained and disarmed man. You have to be a special kind of incompetent to do that.

>>1485344
>If the other officers knew he'd been disarmed, then it was murder.
Except they couldn't because they were too busy fighting with this guy. I know this is shocking news, but those agents didn't have your access to different camera angles and slow motion when they're pressed up against this guy.

>It might be a case of lawful-but-awful,
It is, and if you'll permit me to go on a bit of a tangent I love how so many people who are outraged about this keep bringing up Ashli Babbitt. The irony is that she was unarmed when she got capped, so if you or anyone else here thinks that shooting was justified then the Pretti Good shootings were even more justified because they had dangerous weapons.

>>1485344
you're a retard that doesn't know what he's talking about.
courts don't take see the officiers knew he was disarmed i have a slowed down third person perspective on a youtube video to rewatch for it.
guy was a terrorist and now the world's a better place

>>1485344
>If the other officers knew he'd been disarmed, then it was murder.
If the others didn't see him armed, it was murder. You don't get to just gun someone in front of you down if you hear the word gun. You or somebody else has to be in potentially mortal danger.

>>1485349
>You or somebody else has to be in potentially mortal danger.
that is immediate mortal danger guy was a armed terrorist

>>1485349
>You don't get to just gun someone in front of you down if you hear the word gun.
No but it helps their case in court when the guy had a gun.

>>1485347
> but those agents didn't have access to different camera angles
Obviously, which is why this is such a contention in the first place. If the officer who took the gun communicated with the other officers what he'd done, at all, then that's what it'll come down to. That'll depend on testimony from the officers.
>>1485348
>you're a retard that doesn't know what he's talking about
you're a braindead NPC who can't read or comprehend nuance
>>1485349
>If the others didn't see him armed, it was murder.
They didn't just gun him down at word gun. The first gunshot was either a misfire or negligent discharge from Pretti's pistol after one of the agent's had confiscated it and was leaving the grapple. "Gun gun gun!" following by discharge of fire, if they didn't know he was disarmed, then that is where the shooting would be understandable.

>>1485362
no matter how much you squeal and cry, he was still a violent terrorist agitator who was armed and tried to assault law enforcement.
it was a justified shooting, he was a criminal just like you

>>1485362
>then that is where the shooting would be understandable
Again, you don't just get to gun down unarmed people near gunshots. There were MULTIPLE people being hassled by officers at that moment, including a woman a few feet away, not to mention a fuckton of bystanders. ANY of them could have been the threat had there actually been one. Are you arguing ICE could have legally executed more people and actually showed restraint and we should be grateful they allowed so many people to live?

What was so special about the one unarmed guy they executed that makes it okay?

>>1485364
lol, you're like a chew toy that squeaks when you squeeze it.

>>1485362
>if they didn't know he was disarmed
They didn't know he was fucking armed. Not knowing someone is unarmed is a ludicrous standard for not executing someone outside of shit like Castle Doctrine.

>>1485362
>The first gunshot was either a misfire or negligent discharge from Pretti's pistol after one of the agent's had confiscated it and was leaving the grapple
There is literally no evidence of this in the audio.

>>1485353
>No but it helps their case in court when the guy had a gun.
He didn't. But I'm glad you feel this should end up in court.

>>1485350
>a armed terrorist
No, the ICE agents did the shooting.

>>1485371

Another problem with the "accidental discharge" narrative is that as >>1485368 points out there were multiple people present on the scene, and if the gun went off it would have gone off from outside the group that was beating Pretti. Even in a state of panic I would figure ones reaction to the sound of a gun going off behind you would be to assume that another indivdual on the scene had a weapon and was firing not the guy right at your feet.

>>1485368
>What was so special about the one unarmed guy they executed that makes it okay?
The other bystanders and agitators weren't involved in the altercation that led directly to his shooting.
>>1485371
>There is literally no evidence of this in the audio
I've heard conflicting analysis, and an errant discharge is one of the things under investigation right now iirc. If it was what happened there would be a spent casing, but fed has yet to confirm of deny. If it was the officers who shot first it makes it 50x worse morally, but doesn't really change the legal question of the situation.

>>1485377
I imagine its hard to judge directionality with something that loud and that close going off near your feet. Though it could be case that the entire "accidental discharge" story was cooked up to absolve the officers of the initial shoot, or some story they cooked up in their heads to justify it. Falsehood always makes it round the world before the truth is done putting on its pants.

All this shit about the dead homo terrorist aside, I just find it funny that Democrats, after complaining about "rule of law" from 2016 to 2020, disrupting law enforcement.
It was yet another mantra Democrats didn't actually care about.

>>1485372
>He didn't.
Oh? He didn't have a P320 on him while fighting with police?

>>1485369
>>muh kirk said bad things so he deserved it
>>nooo how dare you call my comrade in arms a domestic terrorist despite him running into law enforcement armed and threatening them.
>>reeee he was la murdered he was innocent ignore those online videos showing otherwise!!!!!!!
ok buddy
>>1485374
heroes putting down a feral zombie

>>1485381
Rule of law here would mean letting the FBI do an independent death investigation like usual instead of deciding that DHS gets to do a sketchy in-house one.

>>1485383
He wasn't fighting the police.

>>1485379
>The other bystanders and agitators weren't involved in the altercation that led directly to his shooting.
The woman a few feet a way was tho?

Also
>Obviously they had to shoot the guy cause he was the guy they were going to shoot.

How many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>1485383
>He didn't have a P320 on him while fighting with police?
He didn't have a P320 on him when he was shot. Also he didn't fight with the police. Feel free to frame by frame the footage again. He doesn't throw one punch. He put himself between a bystander a cop knocks to the ground for no fucking reason, gets pepper sprayed, tries to pick her up so they can get away from the violent cops assaulting them, and then gets thrown to the ground and tackled by 5 cops with his arms immediately pinned.

Unless you consider touching the cop's waist as he moved to protect the woman as fighting.

How many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>1485380
>I imagine its hard to judge directionality with something that loud and that close going off near your feet.
All the more reason to not blindly gun down the first non-cop you see. It's like these assholes have only had 2 weeks of training or something.

>>1485385
Rule of law here would have been a bystander gunning down the agents firing on the dude as he lay in the street.

>>1485384
>heroes putting down a feral zombie
Nah, you're still shambling.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0

>>1485387
>He didn't have a P320 on him when he was shot.
But he had the gun on him when he was obstructing police and when he was resisting arrest. Hence why these details further help ICE's case.

>Also he didn't fight with the police.
I'm tired of typing resisting arrest all the time, so I'm going to use fight as short-hand for not doing what he was supposed to do.

>He put himself between a bystander a cop knocks to the ground for no fucking reason,
Wrong, the bitch was also obstructing and was told over 9000 times to stay on the sidewalk. Finally the ICE agent who maced her got tired of her shit - and I don't blame him.

>Unless you consider touching the cop's waist as he moved to protect the woman as fighting.
So he made contact with the officer?

>How many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
None. Unlike you, I actually grew up with responsible parents.

>>1485393
>I'm tired of typing resisting arrest all the time, so I'm going to use fight as short-hand
Those don't mean remotely the same thing. Also, there is no evidence he resisted arrest either. 5 guys dogpiling a dude does not resistance make.

>Hence why these details further help ICE's case.
His case for what? Trying him? What the fuck do you think the grounds for killing someone are?

>Wrong, the bitch was also obstructing and was told over 9000 times to stay on the sidewalk. Finally the ICE agent who maced her got tired of her shit - and I don't blame him.
So you see violence as a tool for compliance against people that are not resisting arrest? Damn. What are you compensating for?

Also cops don't get to dictate where you film them from. And she was heading toward the sidewalk when she was shoved.

>So he made contact with the officer?
Making contact=fighting? When was the last time someone touched you?

Lightly touching a dude's elbow as he shoves someone over on icy cement unprovoked is the crime in your mind?

>Unlike you, I actually grew up with responsible parents.
Not responsible enough to use a condom. You should get your head checked.

>>1485400
>Also, there is no evidence he resisted arrest either.
And this is why I'm saying fight from now on. If you're going to be ridiculous and say there's no evidence he's resisting, when he's clearly resisting to the point that it takes a dogpile of ICE agents to try to arrest him, then I'm not going to waste my time typing extra characters to be specific when a broad term of 'fight' works.

>His case for what? Trying him?
The case against the ICE officers.

>So you see violence as a tool for compliance against people that are not resisting arrest? Damn. What are you compensating for?
I know laws are a foreign concept to democrats, but believe it or not they're allowed to use force against people not complying.

>Also cops don't get to dictate where you film them from.
Actually you're wrong you fucking retard. They're allowed to tell you to get out of the fucking road (what the hell is wrong with leftists constantly standing in traffic?).

>Making contact=fighting?
You're not allowed to make contact with an officer. Don't believe me? Go outside right now, find a cop, and put your hand on his shoulder.

Go ahead I'll wait.

>Not responsible enough to use a condom.
Said the retard who was raised by a single mom and has that same white girl mentality of "y-you can't arrest me!" that got Renee Good killed.

>>1485401
>when he's clearly resisting to the point that it takes a dogpile of ICE agents to try to arrest him
He was literally grabbed from behind while trying to help a woman up, thrown off his feet, and then dogpiled immediately. You're putting the cart before the horse, claiming he was obviously resisting because they had to restrain him because he was resisting.

>The case against the ICE officers.
Again, what the fuck do you think the grounds for killing someone are?

>You're not allowed to make contact with an officer
Yeah, remind me how that sandwich case went?

>Said the retard who was raised by a single mom and has that same white girl mentality of "y-you can't arrest me!" that got Renee Good killed.
I'm physically disabled with a severe muscle control disorder. I'm sure if I ever have a run in with a cop, I'll be beaten if not killed for "resisting" just cause I can't control my arms, and I'm sure that cop will be in fear for his life from my crippled ass when it happens. "Arrest" isn't what I'm worried about.

Also, you should work on your insults. You aren't gonna get under someone's skin with shit that just factually isn't true. Maybe try to get out of the headspace that women are the root of all evil, too. Maybe talk to a shrink about that shit after the head exam.

>>1485401
Your boys are going to jail lmao.

>>1485401
You're a shill, you're wasting all of our time. Especially your mother's time, she expected more of you

>>1485401
>when he's clearly resisting to the point that it takes a dogpile of ICE agents to try to arrest him
This is called starting from a conclusion and working backwards.

It's a thing idiots do.

Don't be an idiot, kids.

>>1485402
>You're putting the cart before the horse
No I'm calling your dumb bullshit out. He was fighting with cops just like he was a week before because he was another retarded leftists who thought he could keep poking the bear and nothing will happen to him - because dickheads like Walz never bothered to arrest him for these stunts. Ironically, he would still be alive if local police were allowed to police.

>Again, what the fuck do you think the grounds for killing someone are?
If they're a threat to life. Now I already know you're going to keep chanting he was disarmed like the world's most annoying parrot and completely disregard how none of the officers wrestling with him knew that. So do me a favor and spare me your bullshit.

>Yeah, remind me how that sandwich case went?
Go out and put your hands on an officer. I'll wait.

>I'm physically disabled
Only physically?
>I'll be beaten if not killed for "resisting" just cause I can't control my arms
Which means you can't fight with police the same way he did. It won't take five agents to try to arrest you.

>Also, you should work on your insults.
lol said the kettle.
>You aren't gonna get under someone's skin with shit that just factually isn't true.
I know for a fact that you grew up with without parents because you clearly didn't have a father to teach you what consequences are. This is why so many leftists go out and do dumb shit against federal agents that get them arrested, maced or even killed.

>>1485406
Hey casual reminder that if these cops knew and targeted him because of those previous incidents, all it does is escalate this to first degree premeditated murder.

>>1485409
Actually it shows that this guy has a pattern of fighting with police, breaking the law, damaging government property, etc. which could be used in court. So whoever posted that video in the OP did ICE a huge favor.

>>1485415
Let me make this clear to you:

If those ICE agents didn't know that when they murdered him, it doesn't change anything

If those ICE agents DID know that when they murdered him, it helps the prosecution argue that the murder was premeditated

This info literally cannot help ICE's case. At least it does nothing. At most it completely kills any chances of them JUST getting manslaughter. Nothing can justify what they did in that video.

>>1485416
actually it's ok to kill communist agitators if they attack you first

>>1485418
Yeah good luck arguing "He kicked my car last week so me and my buddies held him down and shot him" as self defense.

>>1485419
the death of a communist doesn't even warrant an investigation.

>>1485419
>good luck arguing
The argument was made at the time of the incident. The officers who fired had a reasonable belief that Pretti was going to cause imminent grievous injury to fellow law enforcement officers. That justified their use of force.

The fact that the loaded firearm was removed from Pretti moments before and Pretti had no other firearms on his person does not negate the reasonable person standard that uses the known situation of the time. Hindsight does not matter.

>Pretti was violent in previous incidents
Relevant only in showing that Pretti had a history of being violent and his appearance of being violent the day he was shot had credibility.

>>1485429
>The officers who fired had a reasonable belief that Pretti was going to cause imminent grievous injury to fellow law enforcement officers.
No they fucking didn't lmao.

>>1484761
So what? They still murdered him. Busting out tail lights ain't shit.

>>1485419
"he was an armed violent terrorist with a history of violence, who bought a defective firearm that accidently discharged."
judge: ok he deserved to die NEXT!

>>1485433
lmao try that before a judge and you'll get eviscerated for blatantly lying to the courtroom.

>>1485434
was he violent yes
did he have a firearm that accidently discharged yes
was he armed with said fire arm yes
did he threaten law enforcement yes
i see no lies there.
Also anon if you actually watched courtcases you know the burden of proof for impeachment is fairly high.

>>1485435
>was he violent yes
When they confronted him? No.
>did he have a firearm that accidently discharged yes
Also no. Literally no evidence that his gun went off.
>was he armed with said fire arm yes
Yes, but they didn't know that when they decided to arrest him and he never touched it during the struggle either.
>did he threaten law enforcement yes
Again, no.

>Also anon if you actually watched courtcases you know the burden of proof for impeachment is fairly high.
Yeah this isn't impeachment, these are murder charges and it's blatantly obvious they were violating his rights and brutalizing him before they escalated to magdumping him in the street.

>>1485435
You should kys.

>>1485416
Let me make this clear to you:

You are wrong.

OP vid will absolutely help them if there's a trial and it's allowed in as evidence of Pretti's mental state, reckless behavior, pattern of assaulting ICE, etc.

>>1485438
learn what impeaching a witness means idiot
also ur objectively wrong on all counts
>>1485442
you should get iced

>>1485485
>learn what impeaching a witness means idiot
That's not whats happening here malfunctioning bot.

>>1485490
>>lmao try that before a judge and you'll get eviscerated for blatantly lying to the courtroom.
are you a dipshit retard that doesn't even know what he said an hour ago

>>1485479
>evidence of Pretti's mental state, reckless behavior, pattern of assaulting ICE
Which would only help if he had killed the ICE agents instead of the other way around. You can't justify murdering someone by saying they kicked your tail light a week ago. Either you didn't know about it and it literally means nothing for your actions, or you did know about it and it means you had active motive and premeditation to kill someone.

>>1485491
It wouldn't be a witness arguing that lmao. You're acting like this would be the defense; what would happen in that scenario is they get immediately charged with perjury.

>>1485492
>You can't justify murdering someone by saying they kicked your tail light a week ago.
1) not murder
2) you can absolutely use Pretti's behavior to demonstrate his hostility towards ICE and his repeat history of fighting with them.

Don't agree? Too bad. You can absolutely include that video as evidence in a trial. I don't know where you got this idea that a hypothetical murder trial wouldn't be allowed to use evidence from a week before the shooting.

>>1485494
god you're stupid.
here's how courts work they bring up an expert
an expert will make that argument on behalf of the prosecutor
aka an expert witness
prejury means they lied willingly under oath dipshit that'd be the objective truth.
your clearly subjective opinion that he dud nofin wrong will be shat on in court