Republicans and trump are looking more and more to be BTFO in the midterms so trump just wants to openly steal the election now. It's all so tiresome.https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5719458-trump-suggests-republican-voting-takeover/President Trump suggested in an interview with former FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino on Monday that Republicans should “take over” the voting process in more than a dozen states ahead of the November midterms. “The Republicans should say, ‘We want to take over — we should take over the voting — the voting in at least many, 15 places,’” Trump told Bongino in the interview. “The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting.” The president also reiterated false claims that he won the 2020 election and said that “we have states that I won that show I didn’t win.” White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson said in a statement when asked about the president’s comments that Trump “cares deeply about the safety and security of our elections.” “That’s why he’s urged Congress to pass the SAVE Act and other legislative proposals that would establish a uniform standard of photo ID for voting, prohibit no-excuse mail-in voting, and end the practice of ballot harvesting,” she said, referring to legislation that would require proof of citizenship in order to register to vote. The Trump administration has sought to nationalize some aspects of the electoral system, including by requesting states to turn over voter rolls to the Justice Department. The Justice Department has sued about two dozen states for refusing to turn over the data, which includes personal information pertaining to individuals’ Social Security numbers and driver’s license numbers, in a push to make sure states are maintaining compliance in keeping up their voter rolls. While some states have complied with the Trump administration’s requests, most have not given the administration voter roll data with associated sensitive information.
The latest comments are likely to unnerve Democrats, who have already raised worries that Trump will seek to interfere in the coming elections.Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), for example, suggested in a recent interview with CNN that the president was trying to meddle in the November midterms. “Donald Trump has made it clear that he intends to try to interfere in the upcoming 2026 election. He says that his one regret from 2020 was that he didn’t take the voting machines,” Murphy said. Murphy also took issue with a letter Attorney General Pam Bondi sent asking Minnesota to provide voter rolls.“And it is really alarming that, in this letter, Bondi says, ‘Well, we will get the ICE officers out of Minneapolis if you give us control of your voter lists,’” he said, referring to a letter from Bondi in which she requested that Minnesota produce several items, including the state’s voter rolls.
>>1486361If he wanted people to believe the "security" excuse, he should have waited to start executing people for voting wrong until afterwards. No patience.
>>1486361>“we have states that I won that show I didn’t win."He's such a fucking child.
>>1486361There are many things in this world that piss me off, but screwing with elections is one of the few that makes me outright fucking livid. No election should EVER be influenced by the government, all aspects should be under the sole control of an independent commission that determines electoral boundaries and ensures that there are sufficient opportunities for EVERYONE to vote.
>>1486373Framers of the Constitutions:>"Surely no one over the age of 35 would ever act or behave in the manner of a child."250 years later...
>>1486361The 'Stop The Steal' movement post-2020 election was founded by Ali Alexander: a pedophile.The midterms 'stolen' by Trump: a pedophileCoincidence? You decide...!
>>1486376And Justin Eichorn, who coined the so-called 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' to dismiss any criticism of his regime, was caught trying to solicit a minor. It's pedos the whole way down.
>>1486375but Trump is only 15 mentally.
>>1486382That's the average age of the girls he rapes
Democrats can't win elections without fraud. Republicans being in charge of voting stations at least guarantees a fair outcome for both parties. There are warehouses full of fraudulent ballots in California waiting to be shipped in after hours
>>1486385You mean republicans cheating with fraudulent ballots in texas and florida, they should be banned from elections
>>1486382One of those particularly fucking stupid fifteen year olds, maybe.
>>1486385>democratic election FRAUD!!! >:(>two out of the last three presidential wins were republican>republicans currently have the presidency, house, senate, and supreme court majoritiesthis is your brain on MAGA
>>1486385It’s crazy how after 6 years and not a shred of evidence later, you retards still believe him, but refuse to acknowledge the mountain of evidence for what him and his best friend were doing on That Island
>>1486361He "can't win legitimately" because he's up against legions of mentally ill trans worshipping leftist crack pots. I'd be terrified of "free and fair elections" too if I were outnumbered by them.
>>1486393The mountain of evidence of 20 year old girls smiling and laughing? Who he offered money too in exchange for erotic massages and sometimes sex? Everyone seemed pretty happy with the situation there. I don't see why people are crying about it.
>>1486409>I'd be terrified of "free and fair elections" too if I were outnumbered by them.It's not a "free and fair election" if you're not popular enough to have the majority? Brother if you're outnumbered you lose, that's how elections work.
The USA is techno-feudalistic Republic., not a democracy
>>1486425No, it's a communist anarcho-tyranny.
>>1486410>It's okay to break the law if people are having a good time doing it. Also, I'm going to pretend he only did depraved shit with legal girls, because I'm a fascist pedo shill, and physically can't acknowledge daddy doing wrong. I'm a huge fuckwit.
>>1486435Adding onto this, it isn't uncommon for rapists to basically coerce their victims into taking pictures and/or videos where they're "having a good time" and seemingly consenting by refusing to let them leave the premises until they do so.
>>1486409If you can't win an election because more people are going to vote for the other guy, then yeah, you can't win legitimately. It doesn't matter whether you like the people who are voting, they still get to vote. If you try to circumvent their right to vote, them you are attempting to undermine the election, which is what trump is doing.
>>1486441He's not undermining the election, he's securing it.
>>1486442Banning people who are unlikely to vote for you from voting is not "security". That's straight up election manipulation. No matter how you try to spin it, putting control over the running of elections in the hands of the executive branch can only lead to abuse. The peoeple who are being elected cannot control the method by which they are elected.
>>1486409>He "can't win legitimately" because he can't win legitimately. Very good, anon.
>>1486442If he's "securing" it by making sure that the people his supporters are outnumbered by can't vote, then he's undermining it.
>>1486444>>1486446That was a joke anons.During the 2020 election dems were doing shit like shutting out poll watchers and collecting ballots from residents that purportedly lived in empty lots all across the United States. They called it "securing elections". Cool story of a fun time: The Trump admin told Tim Walz a few days ago that he would pull ICE out of Minnesota if Walz handed over all the ballots from the 2020 election. Walz told him to fuck off for some reason. kek
>>1486448>During the 2020 election dems were doing shit like shutting out poll watchers and collecting ballots from residents that purportedly lived in empty lots all across the United States. They called it "securing elections".Didn't happen retard.> The Trump admin told Tim Walz a few days ago that he would pull ICE out of Minnesota if Walz handed over all the ballots from the 2020 election. Walz told him to fuck off for some reason.1. Wasn't that, it was their CURRENT voter rolls. 2. That's fucking extortion considering ICE isn't supposed to be there for any reasons relating to election security.
>>1486448I remember watching 2000 mules. It had some compelling information in it.The media really went after dinesh d'souza for that
>>1486449https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsFivm-WQcohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UswFbuej3sWe have footage from the poll watchers who were kicked out. Donald Trump brought it up in the presidential debate
>>1486451I remember it got completely debunked in days for shit like "Some of these people never worked in these positions you're claiming they were in" and "You said you recorded the same phones coming to this polling station multiple times but really the thing you set up had such a large radius for detecting phones that you just picked up everyone with a commute that took them past it instead">>1486452Yeah you actually don't have a right to snoop in on ballot counting whenever you want as a complete rando you absolute brainlet. The actual poll watchers were in the room, not fucking outside of it. All the lawsuits for these failed miserably btw.
>>1486454>The actual poll watchers were in the room, not fucking outside of it.No, there were numerous lawsuits of legit poll watchers being shut out. They happened in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia IIRC.There were also independent auditors like Cyber Ninjas that were sued to death by the democratic party because they discovered spooky shit, like the fact that polling machines were phoning home to Venezuela. >All the lawsuits for these failed miserably btw.KekYeah 2020 was an election so safe and secure that the media had to drill into your skull and tell you that shit was absolutely fine, and if you disagreed you were against free and fair democracies.
>>1486457Meanwhile the media doesn't say a word about how trump "won" all 5 swing states with margins just under what you'd need to trigger a recount, the bomb threats to democratic areas, or Melanie's voting machine patents. It's almost like media in the US is a giant propaganda machine, especially now that the fascist pedophile has threatened stations licenses and certain journalists.
>>1486457>Yeah 2020 was an election so safe and secure that the media had to drill into your skull and tell you that shit was absolutely fineThe only reason they did was in proportionate response of how much claimed he won.Do you have proof they actually lied? Cause Trump couldn't prove a single case.Stop defending the pedo, he lost.
>>1486463>Stop defending the pedo, he lost.But enough about Joe biden
>>1486463Wasn't it kind of weird how we got stories for years following 2016 about how insecure Dominion voting machines were, and then we were told in 2020 it was the most secure election in history when we went from 20% mail in voting to 80%, and yet the ballot rejection or error rate went down 10 fold.More people voting by mail then ever, and less mistakes then ever..
>>1486467You don't know what your talking about.A voting machine doesn't know if a ballot was mailed in or not, you are conflating the fact that over several decades we migrated from ballots that were punched to ballots that were marked with ink as well as the vast improvement of OCR and computer vision technology.You aren't smart, you don't really know what you're talking about at all
>>1486361We just need to end political parties altogether. The founders didn't want them. They were added after the fact.They didn't want them because of this shit right here. This and the Epstein files are proof that both major parties need to be disbanded.
>>1486471https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svEuG_ekNT0I remember a lot of Exposés covering the risk of voting machines between January 20th 2017 and November 5th 2020. There wasn't any Exposés covering the risks of mail in voting by John Oliver. He never covered the stories about people recieving unsolicited mail in ballots for people who were dead.There were many people questioning the integrity of the ballot after Trump won. And those same people said the integrity of the ballot was unquestionable when Biden won
>>1486473>There were many people questioning the integrity of the ballot after Trump wonLess the ballot and more "hey isn't it really suspect this guy won every swing state after years of unpopularity and coincidentally right after securing the support of the literal richest man in the world? Along with having spent the last four years having people take apart and examine voting machines?"
>>1486473Good post.Some folks actually believed that Elon musk hacked the voting machines with his satellites and altered the vote to make trump win
>>1486478He obviously wasn't as unpopular as you thought, that's just your echo chamber talking.Additionally, I think voters were probably pretty peeved that yet again the Democrats didn't run the candidate that Democrat voters actually voted for, they basically defrauded everyone and rigged their primaries for like the third time in a row
>>1486473I 'member Trump whining about not being able to pardon the CO bitch that let some rando in to access their voting machines. Said she helped him a lotTrump got slapped down over 50 times on 2020 election lies because they were lies
>>1486490How did you get so confused
>>1486491>shill is hurt by the objectively true post
>>1486490I don't member that story, sorryYou could send a link if you want
>>1486496its weird that you seem to have extensive knowledge about fake voting machine tampering stories, but don't know anything about real events where people tampered voting machines.
>>1486452I remember this from the election thread, the fascist right was attempting to do Brooks Brothers riots 2.0 where they were masquerading as poll watchers in order storm the poll counting area to physically assault poll workers and stop legal votes from being counted after trump's failed to get legitimate votes disqualified>>722874 >>722879 There was also the foiled terrorist attack against a poll station in Philadelphia after MAGA calls for violence against poll workers.>>724820>>724236Also it was targeted by multiple fascists that night>>724702 Maybe don't act like fascist jackboots stealing an election by disenfranchising legally cast ballots? But that's something conservatives will never do.
>>1486361Way to go, Mr. President!
>>1486518Oh man the schizo lib bot got banned again. What a surprise not
>>1486527>Confirming you're a newfagLMAO
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/theres-no-evidence-to-support-claims-that-election-observers-were-blocked-from-counting-rooms.htmThe right wing NY Times also debunked the trump lie about poll watchers being blocked.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2026/2/3/2366990/-The-shocking-data-in-Democrats-big-win-in-that-Texas-special-electionThis is why trump just wants to openly steal elections, Republicans are hemorrhaging voters to the point they just vote for the democratic candidate.
>>1486531Reading through this article, they are acknowledging the incident I linked beforehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsFivm-WQco>Photos showed cardboard covering windows at the TCF Center (where ballots were counted), which supporters cited as evidence of hiding activity. Officials explained it was to block disruptive protesters outside, not to conceal counting; inside.So they aren't denying that it happened. They are saying they covered up the windows with cardboard to prevent "disruptive protestors" from seeing them count the ballots. The people who were inside the vote counting facility why or on what pretenses? The NY Times never gets into it, let alone actually tracking those people down and getting their side of the story.>Chatham County, Georgia: A lawsuit based on an observer's claim of invalid ballots was dismissed as unsupported.They don't bother to track this person or report their side of the story either
>>1486571>noooooo, you need to let randos off the street take pictures of confidential ballots and all the personal information on them nooooooooooooo
>>1486571>Let us disrupt the count or else we'll say the election is invalidThat's what you're dong.
>>1486531That article which the nyt has deleted from their website literally says that they blocked poll watchers but said they had good reason to.It doesn't dispute they it happened at all.Are you a foreigner who can't read or something? Or are you a bot using a 6 year old script with expired urls?
>>1486575They were being disruptive because the poll workers were engaging in a cover up. That is literally what they were doing with cardboard, covering up the election handling process
>>1486576>>1486577It was already confirmed that the 'watchers' were being disruptive. So you admit you wanted them to interfere with the election counting.
>>1486576>That article which the nyt has deleted from their website>its totally real, and not a delusion out of my literally retarded drug-rotted brain
>>1486518That thread also correctly predicted trump would stage a coup and Biden would be too spineless to prosecuted trump for all his crimes, leading to the 2024 election.
>>1486576>The article doesn't existIt clearly does, why are you lying?
>>1486613If you copy and paste that link into your browser it won't work because it ends in .htm not .htmlIf you add the L because you know it is missing the link works but a simple copy and paste is broken
>>1486361If you're cheering for this, you're against democracy. We probably already knew that about you, though.
It's illegal to use a legal nameHave A Nice Day.
>>1486472Parties form organically and Washington was a fool to believe that any congressional system could exist without them.>To get my bill through I need a majority vote>To get the majority vote I need to work with like-minded people>We're gonna have to have meetings and shit to strategise>Great now we're gonna need a name for this club>Political parties ensue
>>1486802Its not even a question whether or not conservatives want to destroy democracy, anon. Its a foregone conclusion
>>1486824I know.
>>1486361>Trump announces new plot to steal the Midterms since he cannot win legitimately>>1486024>This was clearly rigged in some way.>red district>red stateThat aged well, >>1486024
>>1486818You're correct, but the problem we have now is not that there are parties, but that only two of them have any power, and have rigged the system by various means to ensure that only they have power, In the present day even those two parties are basically an illusion, effectively a corporatocracy that flips faces every few years to give the illusion of choice while wealthy get an ever larger slice of the pay. Which is not to say there aren't substantive differences, especially since Trump skinsuited the Republican party, but mostly they're picking around the edges of the fundamental structures of US society and economy.US politics have stagnated into a 2 party system basically ever since the Civil War. Those parties have undergone dramatic shifts in that time, but both have also consistently prevented effective fracturing of their blocks.Even the occasional 3rd party upstart focused on a single persons vision (RIP Bull Moose) both consistently fails and doesn't change that Congress itself is 99% 2 party with the occasional localized voice, usually another independent personality rather than an actual representative of another named political movement. The best I can think of is the Progressive movement, but even that only gained power in some states, not the Federal government, where some of their ideas were taken over by both Republicans and Democrats, neutering the threat to their power.To bring this back to the actual topic, parties will always exist, but in the US until the 1860s and in many countries today they are a fluid thing, with parties forming and dissolving as politics shift. But now political shifts in the US can only occur within strongly corrupted two parties, which won't allow others to exist, and there's no easy way I see that breaking without the country breaking with it.
>>1486834>but the problem we have now is not that there are parties, but that only two of them have any power, and have rigged the system by various means to ensure that only they have powerUntrue. The problem is that the American people cannot be trusted with the responsibility to elect leaders. During the general people have an incredibly wide variety of candidates to choose from. They could throw their votes behind any of them but a) they don't bother to even educate themselves about who is running and rely on internet talking heads to inform them b) they're easily fooled into unwavering party loyalty with absolutely no examination as to why. If we got rid of the two party system tomorrow nothing would be different. The same parties would spring up with different names playing the same exact game because Americans are retarded. An uninformed populace is incapable of making reasonable political decisions. We have the parties because people are stupid not the other way around.
>>1486836>During the general people have an incredibly wide variety of candidates to choose fromNo they don't. At most it's 4 before you get into parties that don't get on the ballot in more than a handful of states (usually a single state), and even the Greens and Libertarians often don't get the paperwork to be on every ballot. Aside from that, they simply get nearly zero coverage from the corporate media (see corporatocracy) and even independent media won't do it simply because they're written off as never winning. Other nations have laws to ensure equal airtime, along with many other benefits to even fringe contenders. The US doesn't have most of them, and the few that exist have bars too high to be met, and you can bet they'll get raised higher if any other parties look like they might meet them.Ironically, your accusation of the ignorance of others reveals your own about just how fucking stacked the deck is. Political movements like Occupy Wall Street or the Tea Party that draw in enormous amounts of engagement and political capitol are quickly coopted, neutered or demonized as necessary to remove their threat to the existing power structures and encourage apathy, which manifests in the low voting rates. But apathy is not the same problem as ignorance, and can't be treated the same or dismissed.
>>1486834>>1486836>>1486840There's 2 ways to make multiple parties viable.First is turn America into a Parliamentary system, which would mean scraping the constitution though.The second is using Ranked Choice voting so people no longer have to vote strategically. Of course Republicans are doing everything they can to ban that.
>>1486834not sure why we need any parties at all... why cant the US become a democracy instead of a republic by voting on laws directly? Simplify what constitutes as federal or national laws and vote accordingly. There doesnt need to be a middle man. Education comes at the speed of the internet. False statements about statistics and misinformation would fall on every individual. More elaborate scams and cons would easily be identified if the sources are made public. The job of politicians should be ascertain facts for the public. Not impede progress with their personal opinions. I think the "powers that be" are simply trying to entangle more political rivalry and Cond elusion to avoid this for their personal profiteering.
>I think"Cond elusion" proves that >>1486868 can't.
>>1486836Okay Machiavelli, go take your meds so you can calm down from your hormone tantrum.The (voting) people get exactly what they want. A bunch of Dunning-Kruger, waste-of-oxygen blowhards that think they are successful because they did business(es). The fact they spent most of their inheritance or generational wealth proving up their failing ventures wasn't their fault. It was the markets. Now they have shifted to social politics to "early-retire" so they can take it easy on their bleeding trust-funds.The whole damn politics scene is standing-room-only failures who think they are the only smart one in the room. They validate it by comparing personal financial value and rate of increase. If they all died, nature would hardly notice. The race would replace them without missing a beat. And life would go on.But these people that think they are all our masters. They pretend will be remembered for the ages and beloved. No one will know them after few years.
