>>1487029
>Please ignore the giant amount of political pressure from RFK and company and the fact all they could cite was two incredibly controversial and unbacked reports

>>1487030
>>1487033
shame on you, for not trusting the word of shady cosmetic surgeons who are in it for money
the tranny obsessed shill has been getting their ass kicked hard lately, they need a thinly disguised thread where they can just talk about their fetish to boost their mood.
You have to let the lolcow rest so we can keep milking it

This is why puberty blockers exist. Oh wait, they hate those too...

>>1487029
You can't get any of those surgeries unless you're over 18 anyway. Biggest red herring of the conservative movement.

>>1487037
Except for those children who actually were subjected to these types of surgeries.

>>1487030
>>1487033
The mutilation doctors just lost two huge lawsuits from now adults that had been mutilated when they were kids.

>It was liberal judges
>Made the patients based
>Insurance companies are freaking out
>The doctors are open to civil suits
>Mutilation for money is burning down

Even if you are still a retarded trans liberal with mutilated parts who wouldn't ask for a few million dollars. Of course every recommendation from the top "moral council" is going to be (don't do that.)

>>1487037
>You can't get any of those surgeries unless you're over 18 anyway
Is this the lie your handlers tell you to push?
Here's 209 a study examining 209 minors who underwent gender reassignment surgery https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9555285/

As always FACTS destroy your lies, and you will forever be an assblasted lying liggeral

>>1487040
Are you referring to cases where intersex people were forcibly assigned a gender in infancy, which then turned out to be wrong?

>>1487041
>After a median follow-up of 2.1 years, no adolescents underwent a reversal operation within our system, but two adolescents (0.95%) expressed regret
Wow that's a better regret rate than knee surgery.

>>1487041
god you're esl

>>1487038
What if I want to have my asshole sewn shut though?

>>1487029
>It leaned on two recent and heavily debated publications on the topic, the Cass Review by a senior doctor in England and a 2025 report issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
Oh, so it’s bullshit. Alright.

>>1487041
Good post

>>1487043
Lol so your first argument was "children can't get sex change operations" and then you were proven wrong and your new argument is "well, ok hundreds of children got sex change operations but only 2 of them regretted it the following year!"

lmao @ you and your shifting goal posts.
Take the L and go home from your shill factory already, liggeral

>>1487049
don't forget the trans obsessed OP believes that any kid that transitions does so because their are insane, tranny-obssessed maniacs that only had the kid to deliberately transition them, an elective surgery costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, to deliberately maim them because they're crazy.
they're presumably fine with parents having children only to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on maiming them in other ways
this is just the shitty internet basement that houses their autism

>>1487036
As they should. As any decent human should. Imagine dying on the hill that you should be allowed to fuck with the biology of a child, increasing the likelyhood that they'll commit suicide (in before blaming everyone else for not being more tolerant for the increase), just so you can win political reddit points.

>>1487061
are you really dying on that hill for imaginary reddit points?

i didn't think the tranny loving shill could become more of a faggot, but here we are

>>1487061
Good post

>>1487052
Holy strawman, batman.
It's like you literally just argue with angy caricatures in your head all day or something.
That's what crazy people do

>>1487029
Liggerals once again are proven to be not just anti science, but literally anti common sense.

>>1487061
>If you have gender dysphoria, well just wait until you're 19 to treat it.
We should ban therapy for anyone under the age of 18 too.

>>1487086
>We should ban therapy for anyone under the age of 18 too.
And how many therapy methods require irreversible altering of the human body before or during puberty? How many therapy methods increase the chance of suicide by 50%?

>>1487088
>How many therapy methods increase the chance of suicide by 50%?
Yeah actual treatment for gender dysphoria REDUCES the suicide chance but go off.

Of course, you're also contributing to that suicide risk by banning any way to address the problem and forcing people to deal with it their entire teenage years before they can even attempt to fix it.

>>1487091
>Yeah actual treatment for gender dysphoria REDUCES the suicide chance but go off.
>A new study from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law finds that 81% of transgender adults in the U.S. have thought about suicide, 42% of transgender adults have attempted it, and 56% have engaged in non-suicidal self-injury over their lifetimes.
Hmmmmm......

>Of course, you're also contributing to that suicide risk by banning any way to address the problem and forcing people to deal with it their entire teenage years before they can even attempt to fix it.
No actually I'm saving their lives by not letting people like you irreversibly alter their bodies when they're too young to understand the consequences, just so you can win political points at their expense.

>>1487092
Yeah not being allowed to have surgery or puberty blockers doesn't mean they aren't trans. A study linked earlier in this thread shows that gender affirming treatments has around a 1% regret rate; for comparison, knee surgery has a 20-30% regret rate.

You also refuse to acknowledge that maybe constant harassment, discrimination, and false accusations might have an impact on a subgroup's mental health, but that's par the course. We literally know from the Matthew Shepard case it is near impossible to force a gender identity onto someone.

>>1487061
>IF WE BULLY THESE CHILDREN HARDER THEY WON'T WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES

>>1487093
>Yeah not being allowed to have surgery or puberty blockers doesn't mean they aren't trans. A study linked earlier in this thread shows that gender affirming treatments has around a 1% regret rate; for comparison, knee surgery has a 20-30% regret rate.
Now this looks familiar. Hmmm where have I seen this before. Let me think... Oh yes I remember! >>1487051

>You also refuse to acknowledge that maybe constant harassment, discrimination, and false accusations might have an impact on a subgroup's mental health, but that's par the course.
>>1487095
>>IF WE BULLY THESE CHILDREN HARDER THEY WON'T WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES
Fucking called it earlier when I said

>(in before blaming everyone else for not being more tolerant for the increase)
1) bullshit. We're forced to tolerate this nonsense to the point where any kind of discrimination can get you fired, expelled or even jailed. I can't think of a more protected class in America, which leads me to my next point...
2) African Americans went through absolute hell in this nation, and their suicide rates never got that close. Now why is that? Are we bullying trannies harder than we did blacks in the 1920s?

>>1487102
Yeah you're still retarded
>But muh blacks didn't kill themselves!
They had a community. The ones shunning them weren't their own fucking families. Also, trying to play fucking misery poker is retarded and not even applicable in this situation; racial discrimination and identity discrimination are two different beasts.

>I can't think of a more protected class in America
You're a privileged retard who is literally actively campaigning to make it legal to discriminate against them, and several states already have laws doing so.

>>1487103
>They had a community. The ones shunning them weren't their own fucking families.
Their own fucking families are pushing 4 year olds to transition because they picked up a doll or pointed at the color pink one time. They care more about their ideology than they do the welfare of their own offspring.

>racial discrimination and identity discrimination are two different beasts.
I'm not going to play this intersectionality game with you. If your argument is that bullying is causing such massively high suicide rates, then explain why the hardest bullied class in America didn't even get close to these numbers.

>You're a privileged retard who is literally actively campaigning to make it legal to discriminate against them, and several states already have laws doing so.
Because blacks in America didn't have any laws discriminating against them, amirite? lol talk about privilege.

>>1487105
>Their own fucking families are pushing 4 year olds to transition because they picked up a doll or pointed at the color pink one time. They care more about their ideology than they do the welfare of their own offspring.
Nice strawman retard.

>If your argument is that bullying is causing such massively high suicide rates, then explain why the hardest bullied class in America didn't even get close to these numbers.
First of all, misery poker. Saying "well black people had to deal with x and y without killing themselves, so you're not allowed to otherwise you're uh... a pissbaby!" doesn't work. I can say the same applies for literally every other subgroup or minority in existence. Veterans? Relax you little baby, all you did was kill a few people, not like you had to deal with slavery.

Secondly, suicide rates are a very complicated topic. You love citing shit like a "50% suicide rate!" but that's based on CONSIDERATION rather than actual deaths. You know what the most suicidal profession is? Construction, which has 4 times higher rates than the general population, yet I don't see you campaigning to ban telling kids to be construction workers when they grow up. The actual death rate is unknown and likely far lower than the stats you've been promoting. It's not this black and white statistical issue you treat it as.

Thirdly, you don't have fucking conversion camps to try and force black kids to be white kids and shit along those lines. Again, we're dealing with two very different environments.

>>1487106
>Nice strawman retard.
It's not a strawman, retard. You can sperg all you want, 4 year olds aren't making the decision to transition. Their parents are. Once again, they care more about reddit updoots than the well being of their own children.

>First of all, misery poker.
You're the one who brought up the "constant harassment, discrimination, and false accusations might have an impact on a subgroup's mental health", and then when I point out a group that had/has it far worse than trannies do, now you want to deflect with 'oh but it's complicated'. I'm sure your bullshit is.

>Thirdly, you don't have fucking conversion camps to try and force black kids to be white kids and shit along those lines.
It's actually more similar to parents forcing their white children to be black, even if it requires a harmful medical procedure that could fuck them up for the rest of their lives, because they said they liked chicken when they were four.

>>1487110
>You're the one who brought up the "constant harassment, discrimination, and false accusations might have an impact on a subgroup's mental health", and then when I point out a group that had/has it far worse than trannies do, now you want to deflect with 'oh but it's complicated'. I'm sure your bullshit is.
Yeah you don't know what misery poker means. You can't use one person's suffering to say another one isn't.

>It's actually more similar to parents forcing their white children to be black, even if it requires a harmful medical procedure that could fuck them up for the rest of their lives, because they said they liked chicken when they were four.
Yes we get it, you're racist, privileged, and love talking about topics you actually know nothing about.

>>1487111
>Yeah you don't know what misery poker means. You can't use one person's suffering to say another one isn't.
No but I can compare the suffering of two different groups to prove your theory that trannies are killing themselves so much because people are mean to them is bullshit.

>Yes we get it, you're racist, privileged, and love talking about topics you actually know nothing about.
I get that you can't make a counter-argument and have to constantly ad hom to make up for it. Maybe some day you'll be able to defend your arguments without depending on "You're a bad person!"

>>1487103
>campaigning to make it legal to discriminate against them
Stopping children from mutilating their bodies because of a high school fad is not discriminating against trans people.
If they are trans they will continue to be trans when they are 19 and this is a non-issue.

>>1487102
Jesus Christ anon you're a fucking moron. Most protected class in America? Motherfucker if they were protected we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now and we'd both be better off for it.

>>1487114
>Most protected class in America?
So who is more protected than them? I'm curious what your answer will be before I tear your argument up.

>>1487115
Evidently rich pedophiles considering we're seeing Epstein's emails talking about raping and killing kids yet there hasn't been a single arrest.

>>1487112
>No but I can compare the suffering of two different groups to prove your theory that trannies are killing themselves so much because people are mean to them is bullshit.
Yeah you literally are too retarded to even argue with. I'm talking to a fucking monkey in human skin.

>Maybe some day you'll be able to defend your arguments without depending on "You're a bad person!"
That is literally the entire basis of your argument.

>>1487113
>If they are trans they will continue to be trans when they are 19 and this is a non-issue.
Except for the inherent issue of forcing someone to live in a body they're not comfortable in, which they will get even more uncomfortable in over time due to puberty, until it will require far more effort to address. Gender dysphoria doesn't wait until you're 19 to start fucking you.

>>1487118
>Yeah you literally are too retarded to even argue with. I'm talking to a fucking monkey in human skin.
Still sperging out and ad hom because your theory on why trannies kill themselves so much was proven wrong. And the best part is the suicide rate is still ridiculously high even in the most tolerant nations of LGBTQ+ where they're even far more protected and tolerant than the US.

So I think we can firmly establish you were completely wrong about "constant harassment, discrimination, and false accusations" being the cause of the near coin toss deciding if they'll kill themselves or not.

>That is literally the entire basis of your argument.
Steelman my argument.

>>1487119
If your strategy had positive outcomes it would be recommended by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, but it's not because what you are describing is extremely risky and the risks often outweigh the benefits

Kids get depressed, that's not a reason to mutilate them

>>1487128
>If your strategy had positive outcomes it would be recommended by the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, but it's not because what you are describing is extremely risky and the risks often outweigh the benefits
That's your fucking end all? The Society of Plastic Surgeons? And with a report backed only by two already bullshit studies?

This is the result of political pressure. Nothing more. If they had actual reasoning they would've cited something other than two discredited studies that were also the byproduct of political pressure.

You literally cannot comprehend the idea that gender dysphoria doesn't wait for someone to turn 19.

>>1487122
>So I think we can firmly establish you were completely wrong about "constant harassment, discrimination, and false accusations" being the cause of the near coin toss deciding if they'll kill themselves or not.
>The constant bullying actually has no effect on it. In fact they're the real bullies because there are consequences if I harass them
You are a literal Neanderthal and it is pointless to argue with someone physically incapable of understanding anything outside their cave.

>>1487130
>>The constant bullying actually has no effect on it.
I said steelman my argument. Not strawman.

>You are a literal Neanderthal
more ad hom because you can't argue.
>and it is pointless to argue
Because you have no argument, outside of 'well ur a bad person! Wahhhh'. Now go fuck off back to plebbit and cry in your echo chamber.

To everyone else, I stand by my earlier statement that the parents of transgender children are causing irreversible harm to them for political motivations and greatly increasing their chances of suicide. This should be banned. Trying to lump this treatment in with therapy, as this anon did with 'durr lez jus ban all therapy durr', and blaming the high suicide rate on bullying - even when the suicide rate remains high in European nations far more tolerant - is pure deflection.

>>1487129
Epic lefty melty, wow.
The science says you're wrong and a doctor's responsible for performing these procedures are officially recommending against it in this case

Read the writing on the wall, anon

>>1487129
>You literally cannot comprehend the idea that gender dysphoria doesn't wait for someone to turn 19.
And you are so far gone that you've lost track of what is being discussed.

It is not moral, or righteous, or corrective, to mutilate the genitals of children. To argue otherwise is insane. Not in the rhetorical sense, but in the very real sense. Your attempts to justify such things means you should not be taken seriously in any meaningful context.

>>1487139
That you're a retard, got BTFO, and now you're just spamming pretending you're right?
Just like every other of your fetish threads?

>>1487141
What mental illness are you struggling with?

The whole association of surgeons responsible for this procedure decided that it's unsafe for children... Well, anyone under 19 actually.

Deal with it, take the L and go home.

>>1487148
>dismemebering children is unsafe
I refuse to believe this. Eunuch rights are human rights

>>1487129
>You literally cannot comprehend the idea that gender dysphoria doesn't wait for someone to turn 19.
You literally cannot comprehends the fact that causing permanent biological damage to a minor to treat an often misdiagnosed mental disorder is insane and destructive to lives.

>>1487153
>silly libs, you're supposed to rape children, not listen to them
MAGA delusions

>>1487029
>The nations largest professional association of plastic surgeons issues a public policy recommendation that people under the age of 19 should not be having gender reassignment surgeries
Fun fact, this has never been the case. the current process is horomonal blockers until the person is old enough to go through surgery.

>>1487158
I guess you're just going to ignore the earlier post showing hundreds of minors that got surgery?

>>1487157
Holy shit you have serious mental problems. You literally just argue with what the effigies in your head tell you.

>>1487159
Of course he is.
He's incapable of honest debate. That medical study followed like 200 children that got gender reassignment surgery, but he doesn't care. He's going to keep repeating lies until he believes them.

>>1487158
Maybe in your country but not in America
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9555285/

>>1487161
So you'll believe the study that gets put out in 2029 after the fake Trumped up report gets tossed out and doctors support transitioning?

>>1487161
>Please ignore how the same study says the regret rate was 1% which completely annihilates the other half of my argument

>>1487166
NTA, that wasn't the point. You made a bullshit claim that children weren't getting surgery - "Fun fact, this has never been the case." - and now that this study shows you're lying, you're trying to move the goalpost AGAIN to "Well yeah but they don't regret it!"

Did minors in America get transitional surgery? Yes or no.

>>1487167
I'm not the anon arguing that either, I'm just pointing out in the haste to get a "gotcha" you accidentally blew up your own argument.

>>1487168
>you accidentally blew up your own argument.
Except I didn't. How's this hurt my argument?

>>1487169
>These surgeries are bad and they'll regret it!
>literal 1% regret rate

>>1487170
>and they'll regret it!
Where did I say that?

>>1487171
So you're saying they won't regret it then?

>>1487172
Did I say that? What did I say?

>>1487173
The central argument, past whether or not these surgeries happen or not, is that they are bad and the kids will regret mutilating themselves. Yes or no?

>>1487174
Did I say that? Yes or no.

>>1487163
>So you'll believe the study that gets put out in 2029 after the fake Trumped up report gets tossed out and doctors support transitioning?
It's hard to believe things being divined to me by someone whom seems like mentally unwell fortune teller with an ideological agenda and a chip on their shoulder

>>1487029
The only people under the age of 19 getting gender reassignment surgery (if any) are 18, as far as I'm aware. It's already not permitted any younger than that. No one is being BTFO by this, because no one supported

What you're likely thinking of is the broader category of "gender affirming care", which includes things like hormone blockers. Those are not included under the umbrella of "gender reassignment surgery" and the guidance in this article doesn't apply to them.

>>1487178
>Of the 209 patients who underwent surgery, the median age at referral was 16 years (range 12-17) and the most common technique was double-incision (85%).
How many fucking times does this need to get reposted in this thread?

>>1487179
>at referral
Referral is not surgery.

>>1487182
Y'know you could just read the article and pick up lines like "One adolescent identified as nonbinary, and underwent surgery at age 16." or "The prevalence of complications (7.3%), as well as revisions (10.9%), within our adolescent cohort were comparable to those reported in the literature for adults." Or better yet, you could look at the shiny graphics and figures that break the patients down by age.

Or just cope and say this still isn't proof of minors getting cut up.

NOT MY SON!!!!

>>1487192
Its weird that you become a research savant when its backing up shitty reports that favor your trans fetish, but you can't do it for literally anything else
Its why people keep calling you a trans obsessed retard

>>1487192
Nta but everyone knows it's happening. The 2022 komodo study showed that kids were being mutilated. Fortunately troons lost and every civilized country is rolling back the trans shit

>>1487192
>you could just read the article
He's a liggeral.. trying to read things in opposition to his worldview make his eyeballs explode and his rationality melt away

>>1487182
The medical study is literally titled "gender reassignment surgery in adolescents" and identifies 209 subjects it examined

FACTS always have, and always will be at odds with the false lies you are trying to push for ideological reasons

>>1487199
>FACTS always have, and always will be at odds with the false lies you are trying to push for ideological reasons
Its good that you understand it, even if its only enough to project.
We'll just make fun of you for being a retard the rest of your life for it.

>>1487029
Troons utterly btfo itt. May God have mercy on their rotting axewounds

>>1487207
Lol.
Take the L and move on with your life, loser.

>>1487220
see >>1487220

>>1487029
>people under the age of 19 should not be having gender reassignment surgeries because of the irreversible harm they are known to cause
This isn't news.
It's common knowledge

>>1487252
It should be anyway.
Also trans is an obvious mental illness.

>>1487252
I don’t know why people aren’t offered therapy for gender dysmorphia instead of allowing them to do this to themselves anyway

>>1487029
This shows the imperative of banning infant circumcision.

>>1487115
Mediocre conservative white men with money.

>>1487288
You're correct, it is a mental illness, and the treatment is literally gender-affirming care. You're so close to going so far around the wheel of ignorant bigotry you almost had a decent thought, careful.
>>1487319
You're right, you don't know, because they literally are given therapy before any surgery can occur. Why are they 'allowed' to do that to themselves after therapy? Because literally every organization of physicians in the world, including this one, recognizes that gender affirming care saves lives, these people are just saying people surgery be done on children. Which, it ISN'T, to be clear. In rare exceptions older teens (16-17) get top surgery, but this article is worded in a way that suggests they're taking a stance against five year olds getting a full reassignment, which is not something any doctor agrees with, or that happens in the real world.
>>1487322
I had to get partially circumcised as a teen, my foreskin was pulling on me uncomfortably whenever I got elections because my dick is huge. As someone who had a medically necessary circumcision, a very painful surgery later in life.... yes, stop mutilating babies' dicks. It makes sex worse, you lose some feeling in the tip. I know that's not a problem for the incels on 4chan, but for everyone else it's pretty fucked.

>>1487330
>and the treatment is literally gender-affirming care.
>the treatment causes more harm than good
>recognizes that gender affirming care saves lives
>by drastically increasing the chance they'll kill themselves.
>my foreskin was pulling on me uncomfortably whenever I got elections
Did you try not voting?

>>1487336
>>the treatment causes more harm than good
>>by drastically increasing the chance they'll kill themselves.
He says without a single proof to back it up:
https://truthout.org/articles/new-study-gender-affirming-care-dramatically-lowers-suicide-risk-for-trans-kids/

Did you try not to be an hateful piece of shit working on pre-conceptions instead of actual evidences?

>>1487348
>He says without a single proof to back it up:
Suicide Rates Among Transgender People in the U.S.

Recent national surveys show that transgender adults in the U.S. face significantly higher rates of suicidal ideation and attempts than the general population.

Lifetime rates
According to the Williams Institute’s U.S. Transgender Population Health Survey (TransPop), 42% of transgender adults have attempted suicide in their lifetimes, 81% have seriously considered suicide, and 56% have engaged in non-suicidal self-injury Williams Institute. These rates are far higher than the general U.S. adult lifetime suicide attempt rate of about 4.6% scienceinsights.org. Transgender nonbinary adults report even higher rates of harmful substance use and poor mental health than transgender men and women Williams Institute.

Recent-year rates
Data from Statista (2022) show that about 80% of transgender people in the U.S. have considered suicide, and about 40% have attempted suicide Statista. These figures have risen since 2000, when 61% considered suicide and 28% attempted it Statista.

Youth rates
Among transgender and nonbinary youth, rates are even more alarming. National LGBTQ+ youth surveys indicate that roughly half have seriously considered suicide in the past year, and nearly one in five have made a suicide attempt in the past year scienceinsights.org. These rates exceed those of cisgender LGBTQ+ youth.

Context and risk factors
The elevated risk is linked to the minority stress model, where chronic societal prejudice, discrimination, and lack of acceptance contribute to psychological distress scienceinsights.org. Transgender people are more likely to experience stigma, harassment, and barriers to healthcare, all of which can exacerbate mental health challenges.

Key takeaways

Lifetime attempt rate: ~42% of transgender adults Williams Institute

Lifetime ideation rate: ~81% Williams Institute

Wow that was hard. Two seconds on bing.

>>1487348
Also,
>https://truthout.org
>bias: far-left

>>1487348
>Kids never get gender reassignment surgery, it doesn't happen it's a right wing myth
> He's an article about kids getting gender reassignment surgery
lol

>>1487354
Shut up CHUD. We need better fake pussies on little boys and I'll fight for a future where white women have MASSIVE BBCs so they can fuck my gay ass HARD.
You won't be able to stop me with science, logic or reason.

>>1487354
lmao good post.

>>1487029
>>1487037
oh no plastic surgeons are transphobic how dare they try to kill trans people from existing, we just want to exist. HOW DARE THEY THEY SHOULD APOLOGIZE and keep castrating kids, i want less of those obnoxious brats on the streets, they were going to grow up to be fucking karens anyways better do it while they're young to make sure they don't breed in the future.

Riddle me this.
If genitals don't define gender, how does removing them affirm it?

>>1487381
>how come some people are born intersex
>how come some guys are born with a micro penis

>>1487433
Why were you born retarded?
Not a single question you asked has anything to do with the topic of the article.

>>1487066
in order to have common sense about something, you would have to understand what a mojority of the industry thinks. I doubt you are a medical professional.

>>1487434
you dont undesrstand what I was getting at. If you were born with a giant penis andyou want to be a woman, removing it would make you MORE feminine if thats your jam. Some people like the big dick on thier girls.

>>1487433
Isn't that like 1% of people who recieve abortion are for rape and incest?
1% of people who recieve transgender surgery are intersex or have a micro penis, because intersex and hermaphroditism are incredibly rare conditions, As in 1 in thousands or tens of thosaunds, which means intrinsically that group will represent under 0.1% of the population

>>1487435
>in order to have common sense about something, you would have to understand what a mojority of the industry thinks
>majority
Common sense is decided by a plurality of people, not industrialists.

>>1487441
61% of American voters believe gender reassignment surgery should be banned for minors
https://www.deseret.com/2023/1/18/23548597/transgender-issues-in-schools-and-states-new-poll

This is indeed common sense

>>1487445
>Source is a random news site where the first article is "Here's why that fired Levi's CEO who lost in court was right about covid"
lmao I love watching you retards discredit yourself.

>>1487447
>Source is a random news site
>"New polling by HarrisX"
It's like you retard see something you don't like in your eyeballs just explode and you can't read anymore.

>>1487449
It's almost like seeing crazy bullshit in a source you're using discredit it.

The world must be a fucking terrifying place with no concept of cause and effect.