Reporters tried again. “You said the war is ‘very complete’. But your defense secretary says ‘this is just the beginning.’ So which is it?”

“I think you could say both,” Trump replied. Straight away he added: “It’s the beginning of building a new country”. Never mind that Trump and his top advisers had ruled out managing an effort at nation-building in Iran; hours have passed and indeed Trump’s own vision for Iran seems to change with every telephone call he has taken from a reporter in the last 10 days.

Thanks to his CBS call, there was a sense that he may be preparing to announce a drawdown. But he stopped short of a mission accomplished moment here and instead said the war would continue.

“We could call it a tremendous success right now or we could go further,” he said. “And we’re going to go further.”

“We have won in many ways,” he said in a characteristic moment during a speech to Republican allies before the press conference. “But we haven’t won enough.”

It was a head-scratcher, and Democrats quickly jumped on those remarks to say that Trump’s goals for the Iran conflict were incoherent or simply absent.

“One word to sum up Trump’s press conference: clueless,” wrote Chuck Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader from New York. “He can’t articulate a plan or a vision because he has no plan or vision. He can’t even decide whether or not the country is at war. He’s risking the world economy and the lives of millions on whims and vibes.”

There were other reminders of how US foreign policy has now fully passed through the looking-glass. Trump on Monday said that he would relax sanctions on certain countries sales of oil to help calm markets, reversing his own policy of increasing economic pressure on Russian oil sales to help end the conflict in Ukraine. He then added that the US may not ultimately return those sanctions once global markets return to normal. “Who knows … maybe we won’t have to put them on, there will be so much peace.”

But in the most striking moment, Trump suggested that Iran had covertly obtained a Tomahawk missile and then used it to strike a girl’s school in the city of Minab, killing more than 168 people – most of them children.

Asked whether the US would accept any responsibility for the strike, which occurred not long before the US hit a naval base nearby, Trump suggested: “Tomahawks are used by many countries,” and that “Iran has some Tomahawks.”

That was more than many reporters in the room could stomach.

“You just suggested that Iran somehow got its hands on a tomahawk and bombed its own elementary school on the first day of the war,” said one reporter, before asking why “you’re the only person in your government saying this”.

“Because I just don’t know enough about it”, Trump responded. “I think it’s something that I was told is under investigation”.

>>1496120
He's so fucking stupid he can't even keep his own admin's stories straight. Initially it was "Oh it was a ground explosion, not us!" and then his dumbass immediately tried to joke about "Well Iran did it to themselves!" and now the footage is out showing it was a Tomahawk. So everyone around him is scrambling because his retarded ass tried to victim blame.

>>1496122
>Iran has some Tomahawks
Man, functional governments, hell even many dysfunctional ones, Old Yeller their leaders when they get this bad. There's a reason Caligula died at 28. What the fuck do we pay the Secret Service for?

>>1496127
If some of the news stories that have come out the past few years are true, we pay them to do cocaine and fuck mexican hookers.

>>1496128
I don't think they need to be paid to do that shit.

DJT is the master of fake "spews"

>>1496120
go back to pol with your opinions... this board is just as worthless

>>1496128
>mexican hookers
They can't even afford Columbian hookers?
Shit they need a raise.

>>1496120
>> Donald Trump makes claim that Iran bombed its own school

School sucks anyway. Thanks to the Rothschilds for dumbing us down.

4chan LOVES Israel, begone with your antisemitism.

>>1496172
>>1496276
Election Tourists being weird

>>1496120
Lol what a pathetic shill thread

>>1496302
u mad?

>>1496120
The sad thing is there are people on this board who unironically believe Trump.

>>1496120
>he then evaded a reporter’s question about whether that meant the war could wrap up this week. “No but soon. I think soon. Very soon.”
>Evaded
Level 100 activist reporting right here.

>>1496329
case in point >>1496333

>>1496307
Yes, I'm seething.

>>1496120
maybe iran shouldnt be building schools where america is dropping bombs?!

>>1496363
maybe Trump shouldn't be breaking campaign promises by starting pointless wars in which bombs get dropped?

>>1496363
The school was part of the military base until a couple years ago according to analysts

>>1496368
Trump said don't call it a war. It's a Special Military Operation, like Putin's.

all of this in its entirety is elementary school playground talk 1:1

>>1496370
So you're saying we're bombing based on horrifically outdated intel? We somehow know every fucking hiding place the Shah had but not that they retired this place years ago?

>>1496376
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing
When you drop enough bombs you end up hitting the wrong targets with weak intel

>>1496389
>Guys it's fine we've done this war crime before and faced no consequences so it's fine if we keep doing it forever and ever
Face the wall.

>>1496391
Do you think Iran has hit any hospitals, schools or bomb shelters while shelling Israel?
Do you think Hamas did?

>>1496392
>One war crime justifies another

>>1496394
It seems difficult to have a one sided conversation. Where we are only allowed to talk about what one side is doing during a war, or what one side is doing during the presidency
I value comparative analysis. There is is more value to be had comparing Trump's actions with Bidens, and Israel or America's Actions with Irans. It is inappropriate to talk about Palestinian civilian casualties, and then pretend that Russian Civilian Casualties don't exist, as though all the war crimes during the Ukraine-Russia war were committed by one side of the engagement

>>1496395
There's a difference between civilian casualties and a targeted bombing of a fucking elementary school.

>>1496397
Did the investigation reveal that they deliberately targeted an elementary school with a missile?

>>1496397
It was a misunderstanding
Trump just wanted to fuck the schoolgirls
the missile should have been his dick

>>1496398
do you think this administration would publish that information if they did come to that conclusion? They have claimed that two civilians were domestic terrorists before any investigation was performed, and when asked about why they said that, now they repeat "WAIT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPETE". They're hoping everyone forgets by the time they finish their "investigation"

>>1496403
I think they would.
Donald Trump's administration has released more Epstein Files than Joe Biden ever did.
Donald Trump will be uniquely pressured to release information by a hostile press, one that Democrats don't have to face, which you can see by how few questions Joe Biden or his attorney General Merrick Garland were asked about the release of the Epstein files, and in contrast how many questions Donald Trump and his attorney general Pam Bondi have had to answer about the Epstein files

>>1496404
how many times are you going to try to spin trump being in the files as a good thing, shill? it's never going to work

>>1496405
When you say Trump is in the files, what do you mean?
I have not seen any files released which were from Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, or from Jeffrey Epstein to Donald Trump.
I don't see any emails to people in Trumps inner circle either, like to Don Jr, Ivanka, Jared Kushner.
If you have these emails, I would like you to share them, but as far as I have seen, they don't exist.

>>1496406
NTA, but YWNBAM-sama doesn't care about what's in the Epstein files, only that Trump is in them.
You can tell because they're hyper-fixated on Trump. Not the Clintons eating jerky made from children.

>>1496406
>I have not seen any files released which were from Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein, or from Jeffrey Epstein to Donald Trump.
Donald Trump doesn't use email. Also, there IS an email discussing Epstein meeting with the Trump boys (Meaning Trump's sons) in the same city as Mar A Lago. IN 2017 NO LESS, long after they supposedly cut contact.

>>1496409
>IN 2017 NO LESS, long after they supposedly cut contact.
..wow huh look at the time. I sure am sleepy guys is anybody else sleepy? I'm going to go to bed.

>>1496409
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Donald_Trump_and_Jeffrey_Epstein
I can't find that allegation on this page, and it seems to be comprehensive, can you help me find it?

>>1496410
>>1496411
>https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01058731.pdf
From the files and Epstein's own emails.
>4th im in palm with all the trump boys. . fun

>>1496120
can you prove otherwise? terrorist

>>1496413
Thanks for helping me find it, most mainstream sites weren't talking about it, quite the scoop

>>1496425
It was a tomahawk missile that did it and those are only in the arsenal of three countries; the US, the UK, and Australia. So unless it was the UK or Australia or it was an unaccounted for stolen missile that Iran got their hands on then it was America that did it. Process of elimination

>>1496431
I love how Trump's explanation basically requires
>Iran to have somehow obtained both a Tomahawk and the proper platforms to fire it
>Iran to have said Tomahawk ready to fire at a moment's notice
>Iran to either bomb themselves accidentally right in the middle of a joint US and Israel salvo, or decide they'll bomb themselves DURING A JOIN US AND ISRAEL BOMBING RUN THAT KILLED A MASSIVE CHUNK OF THEIR LEADERSHIP to justify war that, you know, would've already been justified by the aforementioned bombing campaign

>>1496276
Okay pedo.

>>1496434
Its wild to think about the fake MAGA outrage if Harris was duped into supporting an Israeli strike and striking a school like this.

>>1496451
Harris probably would've come up with a less retarded lie.

>>1496434
>>Iran to have somehow obtained both a Tomahawk and the proper platforms to fire it
Iran isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. It's a developed country with a modernized military, not a bunch of goat fuckers living in mud brick buildings using soviet munitions.

>>1496460
Ok but how do they obtain a tomahawk? Especially without the theft of them being, you know, international news.

>>1496463
Third party trade probably. It's not like they don't have the money.

>>1496467
what are you even doing at this point, shill

>>1496469
why doesn't that make sense?
its the same black market where they bought the fake reports against Trump too, so you know they're criminals

>>1496471
enjoy burning in hell for your misdeeds

>>1496471
It's entirely possible that the US did a fucky wucky and killed a school full of children. But the US is the largest arms dealer in the world and Iran isn't full of backwater retards. They have submarines and drone armies.

>>1496473
We did though
https://www.newsweek.com/iran-school-strike-us-tomahawk-targeting-error-report-11660925
>An internal U.S. military investigation has determined that the United States was responsible for a deadly Tomahawk missile strike that hit an elementary school in Iran, killing over 170 children and wounding more

It must be hard on Trump, hes dying of cancer, getting blackmailed hard over his pedophilia by Israel, giving into Israel may not even protect him...

>>1496460
It’s way more conceivable that a single tomahawk with launch platform was left behind in Afghanistan or Iraq then gifted or sold to the Iranis. The hard part is that they then accidentally or purposefully bombed themselves with it, there’s so much more interesting things they could’ve done with it

>>1496467
There's only a small handful of nations we sell Tomahawks to. None of them have any reason to sell to Iran, or even anyone else for that matter.

>>1496484
Literally why would you bomb yourself in the middle of your enemy bombing you to kill most of your leadership and dozens of civilians already. It's like trying to frame the guy who shanked you and stole your wallet for stealing your shoes too.

>>1496451
>>1496456
you serious? kamala bragged about drone striking isis-k members then ended up murdering a charity worker and his family including several kids instead because democrats are retarded racists.

>>1496486
There’s two, Australia and the UK

>>1496490
Yeah and the UK is on track to becoming a communist caliphate. Not hard to figure out where the tomahawks could come from.

>>1496506
>No guys the UK is totally buying those tomahawks just to sell them
>And somehow we don't know about it
>And it makes sense that after having acquired them in complete secrecy the first thing Iran does with them is bomb themselves in the middle of a bombing that claimed half their leadership including their main leader
You do realize that Occam's Razor says "Yeah the US just bombed that school". Which makes even more sense considering Kegseth just defunded the whole program dedicated to making sure we don't bomb civilian locations last year.

>>1496524
>considering Kegseth just defunded the whole program dedicated to making sure we don't bomb civilian locations last year
and now a few pennies worth of that diverted funding pays for esl shill's dinner every night while he defends baby murdering pedophiles

>>1496524
>>And somehow we don't know about it
You have a greater amount of faith in the powers of the US government than conservatives do.
To be serious for a moment, it was probably Israel. They have a long record of bombing school, churches etc. and then saying they were used to hide terrorists.

>>1496535
is there even a difference at this point

>>1496536
Kinda.
The US tries to avoid civilian casualties. Israel levels entire countries and then gives ad-hoc justifications why it was necessary.
They're talking about going to Turkey next which is hilarious

>>1496538
you say that, but if you look back at even vietnam, the US was projecting about POWs being tortured while supporting the side doing the majority of the torturing

>>1496535
>To be serious for a moment, it was probably Israel.
Israel isn't sold tomahawks. They're only sold to active, direct US military partners. And Israel wouldn't need them considering all the shit we DO sell them, which literally means the only possible reason is they wanted to implicate the US for whatever reason even as the US is actively assisting them in the same bombing campaign.

Again, Occam's Razor. Everything else requires an immense amount of bullshit compared to the incredibly simple "The US bombed that school themselves."

>>1496540
>Everything else requires an immense amount of bullshit compared to the incredibly simple "The US bombed that school themselves."
Israel isn't supposed to have a nuclear program either. But we all know they killed JFK for trying to investigate, they stole nuclear material from the US, and they have something known as the 'samson option'.
It's more likely that Israel did some genocidal shit and America decided to take the fall.

>>1496544
>Guys Israel did all of this to frame the US for one genocidal act (that absolutely pales in comparison to the shit they openly do daily) in the middle of the US literally helping them bomb Iran because Netanyahu asked
>They're playing 6d chess where they frame their biggest ally for a war crime despite regularly committing them, that's totally what's going on
All this to explain where this tomahawk magically came from instead of the incredibly simple "The US bombed the school" explanation that the internal investigation already says is the case.

>>1496538
>The US tries to avoid civilian casualties.
Tried. Hegseth came in to make war crimes great again and revised our rules of engagement.

>>1496539
>you say that, but if you look back at even vietnam, the US was projecting about POWs being tortured while supporting the side doing the majority of the torturing
Vietnam was before the last time the CIA was involved in deliberate ethnic cleansing. Most of our more restrictive rules of engagement are post 2000 since we've gotten smart enough munitions (not to mention the incentive to not inspire home attacks relating to the war on terror) to make avoiding civilian casualties relatively practical.

Seriously, look up civilian death totals for our Libya intervention. They were ridiculously low.

>>1496554
>Seriously, look up civilian death totals for our Libya intervention.
What intervention? It was a European action. Obama got accused of "leading from behind" by the GOP for not doing more. And then Benghazi happened and they blamed that on Hillary for some reason.

>>1496376
My best guess is that they, in their infinite wisdom, have taken to using AI to collate their data and pick targets. Problem is, those clankers will take in ANY data, and if some now-outdated assessment says that building was a barracks, then they'll damn well mark it as still being barracks.
The Israelis are the ones who have been going after VIPs and their intel has proven extraordinarily accurate. The school was a US hit.

>>1496484
If you were a country that has a significant tech disadvantage when compared to your n1 enemy, and you got my hands in an advanced munition belonging to the enemy, would you:
A) reverse engineer it to understand the enemy's tech and advance your own
B) use it against the enemy when they attack you
C) bomb yourself with it
only room temperature IQ MAGAtards think Iran would choose option C

>>1496572
I’m very clever so I’d use it against an ally of my enemy after reverse engineering

>>1496120
I'm not surprised at this point, but it's till baffling how unprofessional this whole shitshow is.
Everything I've seen points to it most likely being an honest planning mistake. The school is part of a building complex that is used by a very important Iranian naval unit. The building the school is in used to even be used by said unit at some point in the past.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out what happened here.
It's still an absolute tragedy, but the last you can do as an administration after something like this happens is admit to it