Trump’s escalatory comments came barely a day after he talked about “winding down” the war that he launched alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on February 28, when the US and Iran were engaged in nuclear negotiations.

In a social media post on Friday, Trump said the US was “getting very close to meeting our objectives as we consider winding down our great Military efforts in the Middle East”.
Key waterway

Shipping traffic through the Strait of Hormuz, where a fifth of the world’s oil and gas passes through during peacetime, has virtually ground to a halt since the early days of the war.

Iran has said the Strait of Hormuz is open to all except the US and its allies, with Minister of Foreign Affairs Abbas Araghchi saying last week that he had been “approached by a number of countries” seeking safe passage for their vessels.

“This is up to our military to decide,” he told the US television network CBS, adding that a group of ships from “different countries” had been allowed to pass, without providing details.

The head of US Central Command, Admiral Brad Cooper, asserted on Saturday that Iran’s ability to attack vessels on the strait had been “degraded” after US fighter jets dropped 5,000-pound (about 2,300kg) bombs on an underground Iranian coastal facility storing antiship cruise missiles and mobile launchers earlier this week.

The strike also destroyed “intelligence support sites and missile radar relays” used to monitor ship movements, Cooper said.

Reporting from Washington, Al Jazeera’s Manuel Rapalo said there seemed to be a “gap between what the White House appears to want in the Strait of Hormuz and what the US military says they have already accomplished”.

“It is interesting, to say at the very least, to hear Trump talking about a major escalation, given the fact that we’ve been hearing throughout the course of the day how much damage the US has done, supposedly, to Iran’s ability to target oil tankers and vessels navigating through the strait.”

>>1499410
Israel is going to have no electricity grid after this

Targeting infrastructure with the intention of starving out a civilian population is a war crime btw.

>>1499410
The Iranians were yesterday, after their nuclear facility had been hit, successful with a retaliatory strike on Israel’s nuclear facility. There’s nothing to indicate that Iranian strike effectiveness will be sufficiently weakened within 48hrs (of when Trump declared this ultimatum) to such an extent that they will not be capable of striking back against not only Israeli but also all GCC power grids. It’s worth noting also that Israel and the GCC are generally speaking more compact countries with less spread out power grids and fewer built in redundancies, that’s my presumption that it’ll be easier for Iran to take out all the electrical capacity of Israel and the GCC than it will be for the US-Israel to take out all Iranian power.
Worth noting that Saudi Arabia is spread out across two main areas, the Najd region and the Hijaz region, with desert in between and no mountain ranges by comparison to Iranian geography.
The Iranians may even determine to begin bombing energy infrastructure earlier than the deadline since they aren’t going to agree to it anyway. They may not do so also to see if Trump is merely blustering again and to delay any injury to themselves. Doubtless they’ll have everything target locked in preparation.
The only way the GCC can prevent this devastation upon themselves is to agree with Iran to not allow the US-Israel to use their territory to launch attacks against Iran, I honestly think it’s getting to that stage where they’re going to take decades if at all to fully recover from this war and they need to seriously consider telling the Americans to fuck off. It’s not like the GCC are getting anything out of this war and the longer it goes on the worse for them meanwhile America itself suffers minimal loss and literally zero damage to domestic infrastructures

>>1499429
True but there’s no power to stop them from it. They are supposed to be the ones to prevent it from happening. It’s like if the local police are actually the organised crime syndicate

>>1499432
It's more about prosecuting them afterward than stopping them.

>>1499436
Thinking about it in terms of deterrence, there’s no deterrence now. Look at what’s happening in Gaza you’d need to conquer Israel to arrest them all and that would require going to war with America which could destroy your country and I’m not sure what kind of situation would have to occur for the US to stop defending Israel and there’s also the matter of Israel having nukes which they’d possibly use.
I’ve been thinking about how to answer questions from ordinary people who ask why countries like Egypt and Turkey don’t go to war against Israel to protect the Palestinians and it comes back to the potential harm that Israel but more importantly the US can do to you, for example the Israelis could bomb the shit out of Cairo and kill millions of people and displaced tens of millions more and this becomes an equation you have to consider there’s only 2 million in Gaza affected and they are still fighting - Israel aren’t advancing beyond Gaza on that front, nor have they successfully conquered the territory itself - so although there are losses in Gaza it’s not necessarily good strategy to expand that conflict and put many more people in danger than already is. It might be different from an Egyptian perspective if Gaza were to completely fall to Israel.
I know people will also say the Egyptian government is complicit or otherwise doesn’t want to involve itself but I’m looking at what if they did why wouldn’t they scenarios.
You can extrapolate the logic to Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan etc.

NEVER FIGHT BY ULTIMATUM

>>1499432
Except they're gonna take this out on the UAE and suddenly the world is down most of their oil. And 20% was already bad enough.

>>1499410
Trump is trying to threaten a regime that famously hates their own citizens by making the lives of said citizens more miserable. Good luck with that, retard.

lol imagine if Kamala Harris were leading this war. We would have already surrendered.

>>1499509
imagine what hunter's penis would've done

>>1499509
>lol imagine if Kamala Harris were leading this war. We would have already surrendered.
lmao

>Israel: Hey American President, look at all these photos we have of Trump fucking kids? Shame if they got published...
>Israel: C'mon, just take the heavy lifting on an unnecessary war with Iran?

>>1499503
Wow, the Iranians and trump are exactly the same then.

>>1499509
>They know Kamala and her warmonger Cabinet will invade the Middle East, get millions of Muslims killed, and start World War III.
-https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1853571107439399155

>To make her president would be to gamble with the lives of millions of people. She would get us into a World War III guaranteed because she is too grossly incompetent to do the job.
-https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4955539-donald-trump-kamala-harris-world-war-iii/

Funny how the Trump campaign actually ran on how Biden/Kamala would get into a huge Middle East war, yet here we are.

Oh, and as a bonus, some of his old tweets/quotes concerning Obama and Iran:

>Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly — not skilled.
>Now that Obama's poll numbers are in tailspin - watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate.
>In order to get elected, Barack Obama will start a war with Iran.

>>1499509
>lol imagine if Kamala Harris were leading this war
I can't imagine Kamala Harris fucking starting this war.

>>1499514
The Iranians have actually been less erratic and perfidious than the Americans and Israelis. They've behaved with more restraint as well with their retaliatory strikes in this term and Trump's last term. Fucking clown world that an Islamic theocracy is coming off as more measured and put together, but they actually seem to be trying to win the PR war instead of vice signal maxing like Israel. Maybe it's a Shia thing, because whenever any Sunni militant movement gains momentum, they go full ISIS and start posting their homemade torture and snuff porn on Liveleak just to remind the world that yes, they're very bad people.

>>1499521
>The Iranians have actually been less erratic and perfidious than the Americans and Israelis.
At least the yanks and Israelis are keeping their shit within Iran. The retards in the IRGC are shooting at literally everybody, including fucking Azerbaijan of all places.

>>1499526
lmao, attacking SA does more damage to Trump than attacking America would
its not surprising that brainwashed shills are confused

>>1499518
Israelis started the war. Thank God we don't have a female leading us in these troubled times.

>>1499526
They're shooting at American allies to put pressure on America (see all the money the Gulf States were throwing at Trump). Pretty morally gray strategy, but not unheard of, especially when you can't make strikes at the actual belligerent's territory. At least Iran informs them what they're hitting beforehand to limit casualties. They of course, don't extend this courtesy to Israel.

>>1499534
>Bombing civillians indiscriminately in countries that aren't even America places pressure on America
The only pressure this places on America is the impetus to bomb Iranians more until they surrender. We do not negotiate with terrorists. Simple as.

>>1499538
>Guys more bombs will obviously solve the problem
>Just keep bombing them, this has never gone wrong ever

>>1499526
Azerbaijan was hit because the US had stationed transport aircraft there. It was also a flex.

>>1499538
We did open up this war by tomahawking 170 schoolchildren. And Iran warns ahead of time of strikes. Like the only people who died in the Qatar strikes was due to a helicopter malfunction. Finally, this war is already unpopular in the US. It wouldn't take much more of a push Americans over the edge. This is probably why the Iranians are targeting Americans indirectly, through economic warfare, as a direct attack against American civilians would galvanize them into supporting the war. Then again, you could argue that public opinion really doesn't matter that much anymore.

Just for the record and to head it off, I don't think Iran are good guys. They're still a regime that murders thousands of their own people and wants to culturally, politically, and religiously dominate the region, but then, so does seemingly half of the countries in the Middle East, some of which, like Saudi Arabia, are our allies. At least Iran seemed like it had the potential of reform as its populace was relatively well-educated and resentful of the Ayatollah, but fat chance of that now.

>>1499545
Nukes would provide a final solution to the problem.

>>1499546
There are no innocents in Iran, and plenty more Iranians will die when mushroom clouds blossom across Tehran.

>>1499538
>>1499547
>We
If Putin, trump's cockholster doesn't have the balls to use nukes on Ukraine, trump won't have the balls to nuke Iran.
Try again Ivan

>>1499546
>I don't think Iran are good guys.
Does anyone?
Most people are angry that we're murdering schoolchildren in an unnecessary war wasting billions that should be spent on Americans

>>1499534
It’s not to put pressure on America that’s a bad take. They’re bombing firstly the bases from which the attacks are being launched then whatever other US bases (military), then they’re bombing whatever civilian infrastructure in retaliation for their own civilian infrastructure being bombed, and they’re also bombing hotels and other residential buildings where they have intel that there’s enemy military or spies hiding there (because they can’t stay on the bases which are being bombed). It’s not a leverage issue at all and if the GCC told the Americans to fuck off and leave the bases and don’t station in GCC countries then Iran would obviously bomb the Americans where the Americans are

>>1499558
>wasting billions that should be spent on Americans
Oh shiit, I mean wasting billions that should be funeled to billionaires

>>1499564
God forbid American can start heavily taxing the rich and nationalizing industries so all that money goes back to the people in form of cheaper prices, and not the shareholders price gouging the people.

>>1499566
lol what a nice little fantasy. How much does the US already spend on this and why is it over 2 trilllion dollars?
Tariffs are passed to the consumer
Therefore property taxes are passed to the renter.
There for are passed on to...
Anyway, you won't even get it if punitive taxation is literally your only idea to solve societal problems, you need to exit politics or enter a rope.

>>1499571
>Guys universal tariffs and income based taxes are totally the same!
>I am very economically literate!
Please explain to me how charging everyone $20 for something versus only charging the rich $20 for something is the same. Mom and Pop shops also have to pay tariffs, but not income taxes.

>>1499575
Well, you know, rich people are just rich right? They don't do anything to be rich, you know.
So I guess you're right, huh? No you're retarded. Take the rope option.

So you plan to charge only the rich? The rich son't do anything so that $20 is just free money right?
So like if you put a tax Elon's Tesla car Elon just fucking pays out of a deficit or the money apears from nowhere, is that correct?

>>1499575
I dont' even know how you don't get it.
If a rich guy owns a apartment building and you raise taxes, does the rich guy raise rent?
This is fucking basic and you must've evaded this line of thought with some sort of mental gymnastics routine that is probably extreme spectacular.

Just raise the minimum threshold for income tax, abolish all goods and services (consumption) tax, and implement a tax on savings/accumulated wealth

>>1499579
But the majority of wealth is assets, not liquid you goddamned stupid fucktard.

>>1499578
>If a rich guy owns a apartment building and you raise taxes, does the rich guy raise rent?
Not if there's apartments owned by the less wealthy that can charge less you fucking retard.

Wealth taxes are singular. The thing preventing them from always driving up prices are there can be smaller and local businesses that can charge less, meaning there's pressure to not increase prices just to cover for the CEO. Tariffs are universal. They don't spare smaller businesses. Everyone has to increase price because it's more expensive to operate no matter how rich or poor you are.

>>1499582
Oh, lord. It's painful to watch this cope.
Premium v store brand? Huh?
>Wealth taxes are singular
And mostly pointless.
>Local businesses.
Fine deregulate so there can be market compeititon in your fantasy land. In the meantime, try to tax the billionaires, they'll just pass whatever taxes to their consumers who pay for them to live.
So, you go off on theoretic tangents all you want, but it's not the way of the world and there's no one pushing for your hypotheticals.

>>1499584
>So, you go off on theoretic tangents all you want, but it's not the way of the world and there's no one pushing for your hypotheticals.
There are literally multiple countries that have this actively working right now. You're also delusional if you think the current system is maintainable and completely illiterate if you think any kind of wealth tax and universal tariffs are in any way the same.

>>1499586
>if you think the current system is maintainable
I don't. It's terrible. There's already too much taxation.
>and completely illiterate if you think any kind of wealth tax and universal tariffs are in any way the same.
Once again, most wealth is assets. All you're doing with wealth tax is taxing the uninvested money of retards whose parents or grandpareents were wealthy.
Such retards who would simply sit on a pile of money and allow you to steal it probably need it more than you.
>Universal tarifffs
You're segregating yourself from reality and creating a point that doesn't exist.
As long as you are a consumer, you will pay for a rich guy's taxes. This applies with tariffs, property taxes and any other taxes BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GIVES THE RICH THE MONEY.
Now can you quit fucking coping at me. It's literally not my fault you're trying to preserve you, notably retarded, ideals.

>>1499589
>You're segregating yourself from reality and creating a point that doesn't exist.
>As long as you are a consumer, you will pay for a rich guy's taxes. This applies with tariffs, property taxes and any other taxes BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GIVES THE RICH THE MONEY.
You were literally arguing that tariffs as the same as any other tax. Also, what is your argument now? We can't do anything because the rich get money, so it's better we just allow them to hoard money? You're literally a financial cuck.

>>1499578
>If a rich guy owns a apartment building and you raise taxes, does the rich guy raise rent?
Its why rich people would get naturally pushed out of the market by non-rich people owning apartment buildings
You should know this, you literally only know econ 101 stuff

>>1499410
Trump issues 48-hour Hormuz Strait ultimatum, threatens Iran’s power plants
>t. President of Peace "No New Wars" Trump

>>1499592
Maybe if the US was a capitalist country.

>>1499594
Remember last week when he insisted the Strait of Hormuz was open for business and the Iranians didn't have a navy? Yeah, he was lying again.

>>1499591
>We can't do anything because the rich get money, so it's better we just allow them to hoard money? As stated there's very little hoarded money to tap. Your Scrooge McDuck billionaire swimming a vault of gold coins doesn't exist.
And I'm arguing the current reality. You're arguing some fantasy bullshit that will never happen because there's no incentive or support for law makers.
There is usually universal support from Democrats about raising taxes. And in reality I pay at the end of the day because I have to consume to survive and the rich people make their money off of me.
This is pretty fundamental.

>>1499610
>There is usually universal support from Democrats about raising taxes on billionaires.
*ftfy

>>1499410
Targeting Iran's power generation infrastructure would be a war crime (Geneva Conventions Additional Protocol 1, Article 51). Civilian infrastructure is only a valid target if it is being used for a military purpose, and is being struck for military advantage. Trump is openly saying he intends to strike Iran's basic infrastructure in order to exert political pressure. That makes the US no different from Russia attacking Ukrainian power plants in order to make them suffer.

>>1499580
>assets can’t be taxed
Also it’s only on accumulated wealth in the last year so if your portfolio value didn’t increase you pay nothing.
Also it doesn’t have to be necessarily paid in cash

>>1499594
>president of draining the swamp and releasing the files

>>1499614
Trump is saying he will commit violence targeted against civilians for political purposes. That’s the definition of terrorism

>>1499429
>>1499614
>muh war crimes

>We are preparing every day. We have to be prepared for war, not for defense. We're training killers, not defenders. We fight wars to win, not to defend. Defense is something you do all the time. It's inherently reactionary and can lead to overuse, overreach and mission creep. War is something you do on our own terms and with clear aims. We fight to win. We unleash overwhelming and punishing death on the enemy.

>We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement, just common sense, maximum lethality and authority for warfighters.

>That's all I ever wanted as a platoon leader. And it's all my E-6 squad leaders ever wanted, back to that E-6 rule. We let our leaders fight their formations and then we have their back. It's very simple yet incredibly powerful.

You seeing how real men fight wars. This isn't your a woke war like Iraq, this is Trump. We are not there to make friends, we are there to kill. Russia gets this. You leftist cry when you see men disciplined with sledge to head like watermellons, but real men understand that that is how war must be. It must be brutal. It must be without mercy. You win by killing more of them then they do of you.

>>1499620
Why do so many conservatives seem to get off on larping as either a 2bit Kojima villain or the Joker?

>>1499620
>You win by killing more of them then they do of you
Not true, it’s not a game there’s no score keeping

>>1499621
Because a lot of media villains are based off of conservatives. Leftists too, for that fact (aka: the oppressed villain who has a point but takes it too far), but more so conservatives thanks to funny mustache man.

By the way, the stock cyberpunk/80s movie villain was based off of Trump, though it wasn't that political (Trump was a scummy Democrat, not Republican back then).

>>1499614
Hitting the girl's school and desalination plant was a war crime too.

>>1499635
you will never be american, esl shill

>>1499626
Demolition Man is our current trajectory.

>>1499642
Finally I will learn the secret of the 3 shells

>>1499626
I’m only going to tell you this once and it’s up to you to use your brain ok here it is…
The Nazis weren’t conservatives, ethno-nationalism is in no way a conservative political ideology. It’s why they used to call it the third way. Anyway that’s all, good luck

>>1499645
Cept all their allies were conservatives, and they allied with conservatives, and they continue to try to associate with the right to this day. Socially and culturally, they are very conservative, and most people care more about vibes than anything else in politics. It's why commies are considered leftists, despite supporting some very socially regressive policies, like anti-sodomy/gay laws and harsh porn bans (you can literally get sent to a gulag for life in China for fapping to hentai).

>>1499645
>ethno-nationalism is in no way a conservative political ideology
Yes it is lmao. It's like, the CENTRAL conservative ideology.

>>1499571
>We can't tax the billionaires otherwise they'll pass the cost onto the consumer!
That's where nationalization comes in.
You want cheaper gas? Have the government take over the oil production and refinement and tell the corpos to fuck themselves.

>>1499655
We should nationalize your mom.

>>1499645
>The Nazis weren’t conservatives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

>>1499651
Commies are leftists you are conflating liberalism with leftism they aren’t the same.
The Nazis allied with fascists and other ethno-nationalists and they literally fought wars against actual conservatives. The only allies they had that may be considered conservatives were not by choice, the Romanians for example.
Nazis aren’t necessarily socially conservative many of them were faggots and many others didn’t bother getting married and they had weird breeding programs going on, they may appeal to culture but they made a lot of pseudoscientific shit up as propaganda to that end as well as fake mythology. They may pretend to be conservatives to attract conservative support amongst the populace but they believe in it and they don’t implement conservative policies, look at what Nazis did to the church in Germany and Austria for more examples.
Vibes is for stupid people.
Communism generally adopts position of the ends justifying the means and has historically been amoral and pragmatic with regard to social issues

>>1499660
shutup Nazi shill

>>1499651
The western allies were liberals since they were fighting authoritarianism, which is inherently conservative.
You'll also notice how conservatives are inherently the biggest war mongers, as trump has proven yet again by starting multiple wars and his lackeys saying he'll start at least one more.

>>1499534
Why don't those countries declare war on Iran?
Why aren't the citizens of Qatar and Kuwait pressuring their government to declare war on Iran for blowing up Qatari and Kuwaiti oil production?
Why don't the citizens of Dubai pressure the government of Dubai to declare war on Iran for blowing up their airport and tanking their economy?

>>1499653
No, the central ideological difference between the left and right has always been power/wealth distribution. Do you believe that overall, the range of quality inherent in people is significant; do you believe in social stratification where the deserving reap their just rewards and the lazy and dumb are punished? You are more to the right. Do you believe that overall, the range of quality inherent in people is not that significant; do you believe in a flatter social hierarchy that works towards the well-fare of all? You are more to the left.

Note that praxis =/= ideology, and there were many leftist regimes that did not live up to their core tenants. Hell, the argument could be made that the Democrats aren't even living up to their core Liberal (big L) beliefs either, hence all the anger directed at them by their base.

Returning to ethnonationalism, it is more correct to say that ethnonationalism is more compatible with conservative beliefs (remember, equality is foolish under conservative ideology as you will just promote trash and discourage genius), hence why ethnonats often move in right spaces. You can have ethnonationalistic leftist, but the contradictions would eventually cause them to reject the ethnonationalism or the leftism.

>>1499666
There's plenty of racist leftist, but they're hypocrites, just like you can be on the right and not racist. Like before LBJ, most of the South loved socialist policies so long as the blacks didn't benefit.

>>1499663
Trump is not a conservative and there were conservatives fighting against the Nazis the whole time

>>1499670
There are two parties in america today. One accepts Nazis and one doesn't. That's as far as my politics need to go. I won't touch the republicans until they stop letting Nazis show up to their stuff

>>1499660
>>1499670
Conservatism is inherently nationalists. Conservatives from different locations naturally fucking hate each other; for example, conservatives in the middle east and conservatives in the US. "Uh the Nazis fought da conservatives!" is a nonsense point.

Americans are ALL retards when it comes to political science

>>1499412
WE'RE RLY SRS NOW U GUYSSSSS

>>1499694
Remember when Trump tried to say Iran didn't have any missile capacity left, and the chuds and jews believed him?

>>1499664
They understand it as part of the "theater"
All of these Middle Eastern countries understand the need to do stuff like this in order to not look weak to the rest of the region.
They all actually understand that Israel is their enemy

>>1499707
I'M SSRSS, IBRAP IS TOTALLY UNARMED NO MORE MISSLIESLZL BUT IF I SEEE MORE MIZZLLESL IMMA MAKE ANGRY TWEETS ON TRUTH DOT SOCIAL!! FIND ME ON THEREALDONALDTRUMP

>>1499673
Americans literally don't believe in Political Science, that's the problem.
Their system is so fundamentally broken that the people who are politicians quit trying to play by the rules and are just openly corrupt, Lobbying is literally a legal form of income for politicians in this country.

So much so that the ones who get voted in are the people who vow that they are NOT politicians who are only in it to get bribed, but this results in donald trump getting elected.

Literal clownshow held aloft by financial magic tricks

>>1499771
Could you tell me of a country or political system that doesn't have money and nepotism in Politics?
I'd love to see what you are comparing the American system to when you make these statements

>>1499772
>Could you tell me of a country or political system that doesn't have money and nepotism in Politics?
All of them have money and nepotism, very few have *codified* money and nepotism like Burgers do. Most of the world would sack all of their politicians if they had obvious conflicts of interest like Americans do.
See: Trump taking donations from AIPAC while his warships are fighting a war on behalf of Israel. That would be national news in europe, a politician getting paid directly to use the country's military as a mercenary force? Holy shit what a scandal. There, it's just business as usual, 90% of politicians are funded by AIPAC.

So game planed it on /pol/ and here's how we'd do it if we were Trump's dude. We'd hit Iran's water and power infrastructure. This should kill millions of them as water is already stretched thin and win the war through attrition. When they retaliate by blowing up all the oil refineries, use the crisis to declare martial law and arrest the democrats across the country. That would be check and mate. No more politics.

>>1499789
It rained
You lost

>>1499789
>use the crisis to declare martial law and arrest the democrats across the country
I don't understand how you guys can unironically say shit like this but also clutch your pearls when people call you fascists

>>1499796
Hypocrisy? From MAGA? Surely you jest.

>>1499789
Based and psychopilled. I mean if you're going to go full fash at least do it right.

>>1499789
>No more politics
Define "white"

>>1499801
orange man's face when the midterm results roll in this november

>>1499789
>/pol/ would bomb the rivers to win the war
What's the plan to stop the rain?

>>1499823
>the rain
You need a rainy season to stop a drought. Not just 'a rain'. That's why there's so much contention over their water supply. It's being replenished but only if the infrastructure doesn't catch a few well-placed JDAMs.

There's a reason poisoning enemy wells was considered heretical even in ancient times; Those cities may be yours eventually, and you may find yourself having to use those wells and that water. Attacking a water supply is something only the most crooked of jewish noses would consider. They're safe, for now.

>>1499824
Do they get a lot of drought in Iran?

>>1499663
Maybe, but he's not starting any new wars. He's ending cold wars and attacking Russian/Chinese global influence that's been left unaddressed for a half century.

>>1499830
First time I'm hearing about the Iran cold war

>>1499830
Can you list all the ongoing cold wars?

>>1499831
Really? Well your opinion will be trash then.
No point in even responding, is there?

>>1499830
>We've always been at war with Iran

>>1499839
Yes, actually. Are you like 12?

>>1499594
President of Affordability makes something more expensive.

>>1499837
>A Cold War is a period of political tension and rivalry between countries, particularly characterized by ideological conflict, without direct military action.
No. Russia, Cuba and formerly Iran come to mind though.

>>1499837
Not him, but remember how we sent weapons to Afghanistan so they could blow up Russians? Aren't we doing something similar in Ukraine?

>>1499843
>Hasn't heard of 1984

>>1499670
Trump is endgame conservationism which has always been authoritarianism. No one believes the limited government meme, unless you mean limited the people's voices in government, which is what conservatives do too.

Also you managed to only be the second worse liar in thread, surpassed by 'we've always been war mongering' >>1499830

>>1499864
Meds.

>>1499861
OK but we've literally been in a cold war with modern Iran since it's conception.
Jimmy Carter? It's not my fault you know more pop fiction references than history.

>>1499837
>OK but we've literally been in a cold war with modern Iran since it's conception
MAGA idiots don't know what a cold war is. They think that having an adversarial relationship with a country means we're in "cold war". Friendly reminder that they still can't explain why the president of peace spending billions of dollars a day in a middle east country whose nuclear weapons we "obliterated" a year ago is a good thing for the affordability president. They've suddenly become middle east experts because Trump needs his sycophants to run defense for his sundowning.

>>1499865
Surrender accepted.

>>1499868
HEY FAGGOT, I LITERALLY POSTED THE FUCKING DEFINITION OF A COLD WAR FOR YOU.
You assholes make me want to kill my, fucking retarded, enemies.

>>1499878
Being hysterical is not a political platform, anon. Pretending like we were on the precipice of military conflict with Iran because Trump got dog-walked into doing Israel's bidding does not a cold war make. I hardly see how all of this crying and coping is easier than admitting you got fucking duped.

>>1499881
So, let's see you're saying that relations with Iran were never strained, I suppose. And you expect me to believe your horseshit?
You're a literal retard.

>>1499884
>So, let's see you're saying that relations with Iran were never strained
Nice goalpost pivot. Now having "strained" relationships is being in a cold war now?

>And you expect me to believe your horseshit?
>You're a literal retard.
Says the guy who gets his opinions on foreign policy from a sundowning orange billionaire and his jewish billionaire son in law.

>>1499881
>Being hysterical is not a political platform,
IDK, that's the entire Republican platform when it's not giving all the money and power to the rich, punishing the disenfranchised, or starting more wars.

>>1499887
>Taps definition
>Leaves

>>1499888
Someone drank the Democrat kool-aid.
You know it's painful that there are tards who still believe this shit. Then again critical thinking has never been a liggeral skill.

>>1499891
Indeed. Imagine thinking the party of ACA isn't simply out to collect taxes to give to billionaires.

>>1499891
>>1499893
How do you people function being this divorced from reality?

>>1499896
I think, therefore I'm an idiot I suppose.
Here's a cool article
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2025/01/16/unitedhealth-group-2024-profits-hit-14-billion-despite-cyberattack-rising-costs/
Anyway, your aca did this. Nearly 2 trillion in healthcare spending. UHC gets 25% of that.
Thanks, liggy.

>>1499896
its funny because they said they were going to prove they weren't a raving homosexual lunatic, and they immediately said something a raving lunatic would say.

>>1499891
>Trying to gaslight
>On /news/
Also a legit ESL too.

>>1499848
tl;dr cold wars aren't wars

How many hours left

>>1499906
I think the deadline ends at 8pm eastern time

>>1499908
Saw a tweet on truth social where he said he has postponed the deadline since they are having talks

>I AM PLEASE TO REPORT THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THE COUNTRY OF IRAN, HAVE HAD, OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS, VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS REGARDING A COMPLETE AND TOTAL RESOLUTION OF OUR HOSTILITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST. BASED ON THE TENOR AND TONE OF THESE IN DEPTH, DETAILED, AND CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS, WITCH WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, I HAVE INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR TO POSTPONE ANY AND ALL MILITARY STRIKES AGAINST IRANIAN POWER PLANTS AND ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A FIVE DAY PERIOD, SUBJECT TO THE SUCCESS OF THE ONGOING MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS
Time to go to sleep guys

>>1499911
>>1499914
>Trump TACOs
unsurprising. Negotiations aren't going anywhere though; we literally used negotiations as a smokescreen to bomb them and have made it clear we want to exterminate them at this point. There's no trust.

>>1499914
>VERY GOOD AND PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS
The very good and productive conversations in question:
>If you bomb our power plants we will reduce every power plant and desalination plant in the middle east to sand, causing mutual destruction with every US ally there and crippling worldwide oil infrastructure in ways that make the Strait closure look like a fucking joke
>Hm.

>>1499916
Friday’s press gaggle. Barely exaggerated:

>At 12:03 PM, President Trump told reporters he wanted a ceasefire with Iran.
>At 12:05 he declared victory.
>At 12:07 he announced he was sending Marines.
>At 12:08 he said no boots on the ground.
>At 12:11 he said he did not want a ceasefire. At 12:16 he declared victory again.
>At 12:17 he asked for a ceasefire.
>At 12:23 he told NATO they were cowards.
>At 12:29 he said Iran was begging for a ceasefire.
>At 12:31 he said everything was perfect.
>At 12:36 he said $500 oil was a good thing.
>At 12:37 he demanded Iran open Hormuz.
>At 12:39 he said Hormuz was never closed.
>At 12:41 he said the US was not at war with Iran.
>At 12:42 he declared victory in Iran.

How can anyone negotiate with such a retard?

>>1499914
>>1499916
Iran already said this never happened
It's just classic stock market manipulation
Promise peace before market opens, smokescreen drops after close

>>1499919
You should add.
>Russia is actively giving intel to the Iranians to help them target US forces, so trump rewarded the Russians by lifting more sanctions on them.

>>1499917
That is more their problem then our problem
If Iran blows up a power plant in Kuwait that sucks. But Iran also has to worry about retaliation. If they attack half a dozen neutral countries infrastructure they won't stay neutral for long. Iran might have to worry about the day after the war ends.

>>1499917
It's a bit hard for Americans to wrap their heads around how big a deal power and desalination plants are in the Middle East. Culturally, poisoning the well was grounds for going full scorch earth genocide back in the day because water is a fucking big deal in the desert.

>>1499906
he already chickened out lmao

>>1499932
OK let's see. 3 days ago
>This was is retarded!!
Today
>Trump is chickening out!!
Do you think anyone takes you seriously at all?

>>1499925
Iran has already attacked oil and gas fields, storage, and refineries, and a desalination plant across at least 5 of the 6 GCC countries as well as several residential properties and hotels and of course every US military base (also the ones in Iraq). None of them have declared war, all of the attacks were either legitimate US-Israeli military or retaliatory in the cases of civilian infrastructure and all of the residential strikes were purported to be against either enemy (US-Israeli) military or intelligence who had fled their bases to hide in houses and hotel rooms thinking they wouldn't be discovered.
The desalination plant that was hit is in Bahrain, it was retaliation for the earlier US-Israel strike on an Iranian desal plant.
My understanding is that the GCC countries are satisfied that the war was not started by Iran and that although they aren't happy with being targeted they aren't joining a war as allies with Israel and the option to ask the Americans to leave, so they're no longer targeted, is not a simple request

>>1499921
So is he just not bombing them then? Did he really chicken out that hard?

God we're watching our international reputation and soft power get pissed down the drain day by day to benefit a handful of stock sellers. There needs to be fucking executions for this shit. No more.

>>1499971
That poster is spreading disinformation.
Don't believe the dRumpf rapid response team.
Iran has confirmed talks.

>>1499974
>Iran has confirmed talks.
They did not.
>https://thehill.com/policy/international/5796269-donald-trump-pauses-iran-strikes/
And no shit. Why would they ever? Last time we were negotiating with them, we used it as a bombing smokescreen. Both us and Israel have made it very clear we're going to keep bombing them regardless. The US literally tore up a deal that was exactly what we're asking for now. There is no faith left in negotiations because we broke every rule of them and made this into an existential war for them.

>>1499982
Last three times. The assassination of that Iranian general during Trump's first term was whilst he was en route to some talks in Saudi Arabia.
The second one was the start of the Twelve Day war during negotiations in Qatar and the negotiators hotel was bombed.
Third time was this war whilst negotiating in Switzerland.

>>1499982
It's also an existential war for Israel. There are ways for it not to be existential for anyone but will require some exceptional things to occur, but it's possible.
It's existential for Israel now if America abandon them, Iran have the capability to conquer and hold Israel whereas Israel do not on their own have that capacity. The land war is on Israel's border right now not Iran's

>>1499410
>"the gloves are coming off, the ass is entering the ass and soon everyone will know everything"
Where have i heard this one before?

>Israel Says Iran Has Launched Fresh Waves of Missiles
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-top-iranian-diplomat-who-says-hes-in-no-mood-to-talk-ef6ed51e?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

>>1500147
here we go again

>>1499974
>Iran has confirmed talks.
No they haven't

>>1499410
And he retracted it again.
With every day it is more likely that the US is going to strategically lose this war, all because Trump wanted to play war

>>1499410
And if folding like a lawn chair isn't bad enough for that orange thing, Iran says that any attempt to have 'talks' is fake news.
Those words have come to haunt you, Trumpy. By TACOing out of your 'threats', if words were weapons, just two are ICBMs captured by the enemy and used to obliterate you, Trump.
Not just the laughingstock of the world, you're an utter failure. So much for so-called 'Strong Men' when they're subhuman pussies. An absolute failure. You voted for this, miggers.

>>1500186
The TACOing is solely to rig the stock market and the oil prices so his billionaire friends can profit. He doesn't care if it makes him seem less credible on the foreign stage.

He really destroyed the global economy and I can't even understand why.

>>1500493
The 'Global Economy' you speak of is literally the entire world leeching of the US's back. We reconstructed Europe, modernized Asia and the Middle East and dragged billions out of poverty on the back of global trade protection and militarization entirely off the back of the United States providing for everyone. Now we're going to war with China, and we need the rest of the world to protect and secure itself so that we can focus on WW3. That means Europe and the Gulf States both need to have a fully self-sufficient military posture in the next 5-10 years. Usually the deadline given is 2035.

The economy was always going to tank from the last 80-odd years of bad fiscal decisions, undercutting American labor and stringing everything out on debt and futures. They plan to keep it from tanking by going to war, confiscating lands and property from China and leveraging it against the amassed debts. In the same stroke, they'll bring the last couple of power players (China and Russia) under the global banking system so that there's nobody to object when they finagle the money back to being healthy. Now you understand why.

>>1500493
https://i.imgur.com/cCgEfoN.jpeg
If you're worried about inflation look at the guy who inflated prices 20-25% under his presidency

>>1500517
>We
Hi there, foreign shill