Weak, pathetic old man barks all day on the internet but has no bite. Shows world once again that despite always being the loudest bully in the room, he will back down if faced with the possibility of any significant backlash.https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-wont-strike-irans-power-plants-for-5-days-trump-says-in-turnaround-on-strait-of-hormuz-deadlineDUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — President Donald Trump extended his deadline for Iran to reopen the crucial Strait of Hormuz to international shipping, saying Monday that the U.S. would hold off on threatened strikes against Iranian power plants for five days.In his announcement on Truth Social, Trump also held out the possibility of a resolution to the war — though Iranian officials denied there were negotiations. Trump's turnaround appeared to offer something of a reprieve after the U.S. and Iran traded threats with potentially catastrophic repercussions for civilians across the region.Trump later told reporters that Iran wants "to make a deal," and claimed U.S. envoys have been holding talks with a "respected" Iranian leader. He said his Middle East special envoy Steve Witkoff and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner conducted talks Sunday into the evening, and that the negotiations would continue.Trump did not name any official or officials representing Tehran. He said the U.S. has not talked to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei. Trump said if a deal is reached with Iran, the U.S. will move to take Iran's enriched uranium critical to its disputed nuclear program.Shortly after Trump's social media announcement — hours before the deadline was set to expire — Iranian state television declared that the American leader had backed down "following Iran's firm warning."
>>1500029The war, now in its fourth week, has already seen several dramatic turning points — the killing of Iran's supreme leader, the bombing of a key Iranian gas field, and strikes targeting oil and gas facilities and other civilian infrastructure in Gulf Arab nations. The conflict has killed more than 2,000 people, shaken the global economy, sent oil prices surging, and endangered some of the world's busiest air corridors.The latest threatened attacks could have cut electricity to wide swaths of people in Iran and around the Gulf and knocked out desalination plants that provide many desert nations with drinking water. There are also increasing concerns about the consequences of any strikes on nuclear facilities.Trump issued a deadline and then extended itTrump said over the weekend that the U.S. would "obliterate" Iran's power plants unless the country releases its stranglehold on the Strait of Hormuz within 48 hours — a deadline that would have expired late Monday Washington time.But on Monday morning, Trump wrote on his Truth Social site that the U.S. and Iran have had "very good and productive conversations" that could yield "a complete and total resolution" in the war.Trump added that the suspension of his threat to attack power plants was "subject to the success of the ongoing meetings and discussions."Trump did not elaborate on the negotiations that had taken place, and the state-owned IRAN newspaper reported that Iran's Foreign Ministry denied that there have been any."Remarks by the U.S. president are part of efforts to reduce energy prices and buy time to implement his military plans" the newspaper said.Earlier, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said he spoke by phone with his Turkish counterpart, Hakan Fidan. Turkey has been an intermediary before in negotiations between Tehran and Washington.President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi also said Monday that Egypt has delivered "clear messages" to Iran focusing on de-escalating the conflict.
>>1500030Iran threatened retaliationIran's paramilitary Revolutionary Guard promised retaliation if Trump made good on his threat, saying Iran would hit power plants in all areas that supply electricity to American bases, "as well as the economic, industrial and energy infrastructures in which Americans have shares."Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf said Iran would consider vital infrastructure across the region to be legitimate targets, including energy and desalination facilities critical for drinking water in Gulf nations.Iran's semiofficial Fars news agency, which is close to the Revolutionary Guard, published a list of such facilities, including the United Arab Emirates' nuclear power plant. Over the weekend, Iran launched missiles targeting Dimona in Israel, near a facility key to its long-suspected atomic weapons program. The Israeli facility wasn't damaged.In the wake of Trump's turnaround, Fars and the Tasnim news agencies portrayed the American president as backing down."Since the start of the war, messages have been sent to Tehran by some mediators, but Iran's clear response has been that it will continue its defense until the required level of deterrence is achieved," Tasnim's report said. "With this kind of psychological warfare, neither the Strait of Hormuz will return to pre-war conditions nor will calm return to energy markets."With the U.S. deploying more amphibious assault ships and additional Marines to the Middle East, Iran also warned against any ground attack."Any attempt by the enemy to target Iran's coasts or islands will, naturally and in accordance with established military practice, lead to the mining of all access routes ... in the Persian Gulf and along the coasts," Iran's Defense Council warned.Trump has said he has no plans to send ground forces into Iran but also has said he retains all options. Israel has suggested its ground forces could take part in the war.
>>1500031Oil prices have soared but dropped after Trump announcementIran's chokehold on the Strait of Hormuz has wreaked havoc on energy markets, pushed up prices of food and other goods well beyond the Middle East and sent shock waves throughout the global economy."No country will be immune to the effects of this crisis if it continues to go in this direction," said Fatih Birol, the head of the Paris-based International Energy Agency.Oil prices were stubbornly high in early trading Monday, but plunged after Trump's announcement.Jorge Moreira da Silva, a senior United Nations official, said the world has already seen a ripple effect, including "exponential price hikes in oil, fuel and gas" that have had a far-reaching impact on millions, primarily in Asian and African developing countries."There is no military solution," he said.Israel strikes Tehran and LebanonIsrael launched new attacks Monday on the Iranian capital, saying it had "begun a wide-scale wave of strikes" on infrastructure targets in Tehran without immediately elaborating. Explosions were heard in multiple locations in the afternoon. It wasn't immediately clear what had been hit.The United Arab Emirates reported its air defense were attempting to intercept new incoming Iranian fire Monday afternoon.Israel has also targeted the Iran-linked Hezbollah militant group in Lebanon, while the group has fired hundreds of rockets into Israel.In recent days, Israel has hit many apartment buildings in Beirut and bombed bridges over the Litani River in the Lebanon's south.Lebanese President Joseph Aoun called the targeting of bridges "a prelude to a ground invasion," while Egypt denounced the strikes as the "collective punishment" of civilians for the actions of Hezbollah.Authorities say Israeli strikes have killed more than 1,000 people in Lebanon and displaced more than 1 million.
>>1500032Iran's death toll has surpassed 1,500, its Health Ministry has said. In Israel, 15 people have been killed by Iranian strikes. At least 13 U.S. military members have been killed, along with more than a dozen civilians in the occupied West Bank and Gulf Arab states.
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This is actually pretty incredible.For Trump to make such a specific and public threat, complete with timeline, only for Iran to basically say "Do it faggot". Then for him to have to back down and make up talks as justification for backing down, after saying multiple times publicly he isn't interested in negotiating anymore and will only accept unconditional surrender. And then being immediately called on it by not even being able to say who his team negotiated with when asked point blank.I knew he was going to fuck this up as soon as it started. But I expected Trump and his team to at least try to pretend like they had control of the situation. This is just pathetic.
>>1500043he's just using his power to foment market instability for easier insider trading
>>1500043I think he should send Barron to the Iranians as a hostage and arrest Bibi for the war crimes and genocide as signs of good faith and then ask the Iranians if they can please have a ceasefire
You just don't understand Trump's brilliant 789-D chess.
>>1500043Literally what did they have to lose by basically daring him to do it? They're already threatening to do it constantly. Never back your opponent into a corner where it becomes an existential war because then any threat means nothing. You can't negotiate with someone who you know will kill you regardless, and likewise there's no reason not to go no quarter in response to no quarter, which makes everyone lose.
>>1500046I used to think the same, but I can't even give him that much credit anymoreI think it's just that he's a spoiled manchild who has lived a sheltered life where he's never been told no and never had to deal with consequences for his actionsSo to be in a situation where an adversary is refusing to immediately capitulate, and being in a position where he can't just scream "I won!" and take his ball and go home, is completely uncharted territory for him.And he has absolutely no idea what to do about it.
>>1500040There would be a lot more shills defending trump's war mongering.
>>1500043The cope is that he's doing it to troll the left.
>>1500055AIPAC is telling him to nuke them and how advisors are telling him not to do anything. Threaten to pull all funding to Israel and this stops tomorrow
>>1500046Just remember that Soviet style market manipulation is ok when Republicans do it.
>>1500057Guaranteed if that Pandora's box is opened, China is dropping a fat one on Taiwan and Russia on Kyiv within a day.
>>1500030>He said his Middle East special envoy Steve Witkoff and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner conducted talks Sunday into the evening, and that the negotiations would continue.ahh the same "peacemakers" who brought you the failed Gaza ceasefire and the failed Ukraine ceasefire>"Remarks by the U.S. president are part of efforts to reduce energy prices and buy time to implement his military plans" the newspaper said.lmao he's not even trying to hide it.
>>1500051>Never back your opponent into a corner where it becomes an existential war because then any threat means nothing. You can't negotiate with someone who you know will kill you regardlessThis is how we got our nukes. Luckily, Muslims have not infiltrated Western governments like the Zionists have.We must put them all on a reservation, and give them smallpox infected blankets, just like Andrew Jackson did.Americans are the best at everything, including genocide.
>>1500059Isn't it that once a nuclear launch is detected, it's almost impossible to tell where it's going and who it is from, so EVERYONE suddenly tosses their nukes out?
>>1500053He can't threaten a lawsuit on them. I guess that's what he might do confronted with such an obstacle in his real life
He's been freaking out about oil, and yeah, prices are bad, especially if you're a Dodge Ram owning ruroid (aka the median MAGA), but I'd be more concerned with the food and supply chain shocks. A third of all fertilizer exports make their way across waters Iran now controls, and our farmers were due for those shipments right about now as farm season is starting soon. No fertilizer means less crops means less food means real bad shit around October-ish, especially as we're forecasted to have pretty bad summer weather over a lot of the US. What a fucking mess.
>>1500061You want the Zionists on a reservation?
>>1500066The Iranians have said repeatedly that the strait isn’t closed and it’s a blockade of US and Israeli shipping that’s all. They’ve allowed a whole bunch of countries to pass through; India, Turkey, China, Greece, et al. The blockade will only affect the US and Israel everyone else will be able to ship through there and they will because they aren’t joining the war
>>1500068When only single digits of ships are getting through instead of the usual 60+, that's basically closure as far as the oil market is concerned.
>>1500069When a president lets the country he's attacking sell oil because their fuckup of an invasion isn't working, thats losing as far as reality is concerned
>>1500070Also true. I don't even think it's Israel forcing him to not just back off; Trump's ego can't handle starting a war he can't claim a win from.
>>1500069Yeah pretty sure that’s what Iran are going for. The point is that they will and are allowing everyone else to pass albeit slowly. They allowed India to move gas through, presumably because the Indians asked them nicely and they needed the gas, it’s not in Iran’s interests during this war to antagonise anyone who otherwise isn’t against them. It’s all fairly logical and well thought out. I suppose Trump thought they’d total blockade the entire thing for everyone but that’s not what happened, also noticed the day after the Japanese were at the White House hearing jokes about Hiroshima they had negotiated with Iran for some of their shipping to pass through the strait. The US are becoming more isolated
>>1500073>The US are becoming more isolatedTrumps team is starting to release what guarantees they want from Iran to prevent nuclear development, and they're just the same plan Obama had that Trump tore upIt should be more embarrassing to them how much they love democrat policy as long as democrats keep their names off it
>>1500074I've talked to republicans who love the Affordable Care Act but hate Obamacare. It's kind of amazing.
>>1500074Iran could easily just tell them to fuck off. The US can’t force them to do anything, sanctions don’t work and war doesn’t work
>>1500080To be fair, we could absolutely force things by deploying troops. The problem is literally no one in the US wants another fucking ground war in the middle east and Iran is fully aware of that. And that regime change just leads to the same conclusion; take as many countries they have a grudge against with them when they go. So even in that case they bomb the salination plants and shit anyway and plunge the world into chaos to fuck over the US for helping Israel end them.
So who else here made lots of money this morning when Trump caused the market to jump?
>>1500086Imagine getting put into a checkmate situation after your opponent gives you a sheet with every move they're going to make.
>>1500086What makes you think the US can achieve in Iran what it couldn’t in Afghanistan especially when Iran has a long list of ways it is ostensibly better capable to withstand not only a US invasion but a potential US conquest.Invade Iran and expect to - in comparison to Afghanistan - be there longer, suffer more casualties, have more opposition at home, have to deal with a modern well trained seasoned and disciplined military opposition that has had decades to prepare for exactly this scenario and still will be perfectly capable of denying the strait of Hormuz and firing missiles at Israel, and you will need vastly more manpower than you’ve deployed probably since WWII
>>1500097Oh don't forget how they can also start blowing up desalination and power plants across the middle east and fuck over everyone else in the event it looks like they're going down.I'm not arguing we can achieve better in Afghanistan. I'm arguing the only move the US can make that actually has the slightest potential to stop the blockade is not only getting us into a quagmire even worse than our previous forever wars, but also will probably result in oil going to shit forever when they try to take everyone else down with them. It's just as retarded as starting this conflict for Israel's sake in the first place. The only winning move is not to play but Trump doesn't want to admit he fucked up in the first place.
>>1500104>>1500097The problem is Afghanistan didn't have the capabilities to cripple the world economy and their neighbors.Also the Taliban was able to just play the long game and wait until the US had someone like trump installed who negotiated the US's surrender and sold out the Afghan government.
>>1500030>Trump did not elaborate on the negotiations that had taken place, and the state-owned IRAN newspaper reported that Iran's Foreign Ministry denied that there have been any.LMAO. What a fucking goober. This fat orange tard has been "negotiating peace deals" for multiple wars with no tangible results
>>1500118>The problem is Afghanistan didn't have the capabilities to cripple the world economy and their neighbors.Exactly. There's a very good reason every other president never went all in on conflict with Iran. But fuckass Trump fired everyone who would've pointed that out, and his current head general is an alcoholic larper obsessed with a "warrior ethos" instead of actual sensible military decisions.
>>1500029>chickensit's 'cucks', you normie faggot redditor
>>1500053>I think it's just that he's a spoiled manchild who has lived a sheltered life where he's never been told no and never had to deal with consequences for his actionsHey, just like the majority of his supporters. Truly a man of the people.
>>1500127Hegseth isn’t a General
>>1500043Trump’s strategy toward Iran, since his first term, has been one of “maximum pressure.” The idea was to force Iran into submission through sanctions. With the current conflict, however, this dynamic has been reversed. The Iranian regime is now leveraging this unprecedented pressure thanks to new sources of influence:The strategic importance of the Strait of Hormuz gives Iran a powerful lever. It serves both as an operational tool and a deterrent for the future (“Don’t try this again”). This reflects the regime’s long-standing doctrine of asymmetric warfare developed over the past 40 years.The temporary lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil by the United States (a puzzling decision) has generated unprecedented energy revenues. It was expected that the economic burden of the conflict would weigh heavily on Tehran, but this easing of sanctions has instead provided significant budgetary inflows.The regime’s military posture is also marked by boldness. Despite weeks of strikes, it continues to launch daily drone and missile attacks, demonstrating long-range reach (Diego Garcia), precision targeting (Dimona), and the ability to hit strategic infrastructure (energy facilities).Before the war, Iran’s power projection had largely been confined to its borders. Today, the regime is capable of striking across the entire region and still retains unused levers, such as the Houthis in the Red Sea.Before the war, Iran did not control the Strait of Hormuz. Now, it effectively dominates it, allowing passage according to its own interests. Before the war, hydrocarbon prices were low; today, the risk of a global recession is becoming increasingly real.1/
>>1500153Before the war, there were many questions about the regime’s stability, especially following the January protests and uncertainties surrounding succession after Khamenei. Today, the regime is holding firm, adapting, and becoming more radical.Iran therefore appears to hold more cards than the Trump administration, and time is also on its side. However, the risk of a response from Gulf countries remains, potentially triggering a new cycle of escalation.In short, while the regime has been weakened by the scale of destruction on its own territory, the conflict has also opened a new window for regional expansion—something that would have been unthinkable just a month ago. The regime is aware of this, which partly explains its high demands in any potential negotiations.The emerging “new Middle East” is thus reshuffling key strategic dynamics. It is still too early to predict how events will unfold, as the conflict is ongoing. However, a more assertive and demanding Iran within its security perimeter is a highly likely outcome.2/
>>1500153Three things; Iran didn’t launch at Diego Garcia, the protests may have started organically but were hijacked by foreign operatives who attacked mosques and police stations, and the Arabs aren’t going to join the war as allies to Israel
>>1500152He's certainly acting like he's one, and Trump's treating him as one... right down to throwing him under the bus for getting us into this whole retarded affair.
>>1500029Iran has dismissed any & all claims of talks as 'Fake News'.How those two words you loved to use against your opposition have come to bite you in the ass, Trump. The ultimate in Hubris.Cry more, you orange subhuman pussy that has been grabbed. It gives everyone else schadenfreude.
>>1500030Trump is a weekend warrior
>>1500061That’s Israel’s plan, not America. I get Israel wants a genocide, but why should any American give a fuck?
>>1500189I’m not American so I don’t know. What I can tell you is that for sure if my government were using our treasury money to fund a genocide committed by an apartheid nation that has free universal health care, I’d not be apathetic to it
>>1500189>why should any American give a fuck?You don't get to influence shit. If Israel wants one, that's as good as America wanting one
At this rate he'll have to release the files to distract from how badly the war is going.
>>1500202In reality Israel has zero influence over America. Israel can’t make America do anything, and if that’s wrong how can they
>>1500207>what was she wearing at the time
>>1500207Does the term AIPAC mean anything to you?
>>1500214legally not considered a foreign lobby group b t w
>>1500211>>1500214That’s just some corrupt politicians, stop voting for them and arrest them as traitors or whatever. It’s not as if the Zionists orchestrated a coup and now have full control over the US, they don’t and any politician who puts Israeli interests ahead of America is a traitor
>>1500216Which is insane and in and of itself shows how much power they have in Washington
>>1500217It's literally all of them, except for people like Thomas Massie whose wife died shortly after he started criticizing Israel.
>>1500214AIPAC is an ethnic interest group. One of manyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_American_lobby_in_the_United_StatesHow much influence do you think Greece has over the US government? Well they have a lobby group just like AIPAChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_interest_groups_in_the_United_States#Most_recognized_ethnic_interest_groupsItalians have an ethnic interest group that lobbies congress. Do you think Donald Trump calls the leader of Italy before making every major decision?
>>1500244Neither Greece nor Italy are currently committing a genocide almost entirely funded by the US treasury. Neither Greece nor Italy are currently dragging the US into a war.The issue isn’t so much that AIPAC exists rather it’s that the politicians funded by AIPAC are making decisions that are against the best interests of the American people they represent.Also you’ve done a whataboutism, you retard. Make the case that Israeli interests are inextricably tied to American interests and you’ll win the argument
Nothing to see here folks - Trump just announced victory and that Iran was giving us a prize (back on that ol' bullshit). He said Hegs was pretty mad about it too because he wanted to keep fighting but, no, we need to think about healing and getting gas back down under $3 before midterms.You can disregard that reporting that Israel is expanding into Southern Lebanon, that there are no talks, that there is no nuclear deal, and that we're sending 2000 more troops to the ME. That's fake news. Real news is that we won and everyone's saying how good Trump did handling it. Did I mention Iran was going to give Trump a prize?
>>1500247>Did I mention Iran was going to give Trump a prize?I swear Trump would honest to god roll a giant wooden horse into the white house as long as it had a layer of gold foil over it.
>>1500248Trump doesn’t understand this reference
>>1500245Well luckily Israel isn't currently committing a genocide either, not is Israel dragging the United States into a war. It's just a foreign interest like any other.
>>1500291NTA but you should google pictures of the Gaza strip before and after Israel turned it into a rubble pit.
It's too late. The Petrodollar has been replaced by the Yuan. Good job, Mr. President.
>>1500506https://www.discovermagazine.com/life-after-war-2570The battle of Verdun in WW1 was described as leaving a moonscape in its wake. A few World War 1 battlefields got the same treatment. Yet people rarely call the first world war genocide
>>1500567Verdun was an attempt by the French to thwart a clear and present threat to France.Gaza is nothing like Verdun. It was like a city-sized prison camp in which Israel literally counted the calories of the inmates and shoot at them for fun. And then they systemically began killing everyone inside because Hamas decided to attack Israel.There is no war or enemy so terrible that the only solution is total extermination. And whoever tells you that is using DARVO.
He gets a woman to write these tweets.
