>>1501869
So the last time gas was this high was when the industry was trying to recover from a pandemic that led to a drop off in gas usage?

Thanks Trump. Damage on par with a fucking plague.

>>1501869
Temporary pain for longterm gain. Trump is building a thousand year empire. He has a Plan. Trust the Plan. If things get hot you can laugh at all the crying woke. Trump has owned the left so hard they will never recover. They will be crying that they cant get their princess labooboos.

>>1501870
What plague? It was a hoax. Nothing worse than the flu. We should never have shut down the economy and built up the herd immunity quick like.

>>1501869
Holy shit!

Why doesn't the president do something?!?! Why isn't he pulling the "lower gas prices" lever thats in the Oval Office???

Biden did it, why won't Trump???

>>1501880
It's odd, because normally the president can't really affect gas prices that much...

...unless he does something colossally stupid like cause a massive shut down of one of the world's most important oil passages. That'll fucking do it.

>migatards are unironically “Sleepy Joe did this!!!!” posting
lol these people belong in camps or mass graves

>>1501869
It’ll be alright except the US and Israel now that Iran are going to open up the strait for everyone else and charge a toll like it’s a canal. Effectively Iran will be sanctioning the US and Israel and there’s nothing they can do about it (unless they go full invasion and conquer and subdue the entire country)

>>1501870
>So the last time gas was this high was when the industry was trying to recover from a pandemic that led to a drop off in gas usage?
That had nothing to do with Biden killing the Keystone XL project, halting development in Alaska, trying to halt development in the Gulf of Mexi - ahem, America until a judge stopped him, halting new leases on public lands, increasing taxes on oil production, increased royalties, increased EPA fees, increased EPA restrictions, ban on trade with Russia which accounted for 10% of our imports, rejoining the Paris agreement, funneling government money into green energy deals that went nowhere while cutting out fossil fuel companies, and has claimed twice during the election he wanted to end all fossil fuel companies?

Damn that pandemic.

>>1501882
So now the president can control gas prices?

serious question: why does Trump keep saying America doesn't need the Strait? fuel prices are high due to excess demand and limited global supply. it doesn't matter if the US gets its oil elsewhere, gas prices will still go up globally because that's how commodity shortages work.
what I mean is, does he know that he's misleading the american public (by blaming europe and shifting the attention to us for not joining his war) or is he genuinely retarded?

and another question is: if the poweful US Navy can't reopen the Strait of Hormuz, what the fuck can we do? besides dying for Israel, that is

>>1501889
Oil production literally went up under Biden. The 2022 spike was because oil was down to record lows during the pandemic. It was a worldwide issue. Don't be ignorant and blame buzzwords.

>>1501891
He can control gas prices if he does something so monumentally stupid it impacts the entire flow of oil. The same way he can control the weather if he drops enough nukes to bring us to a nuclear winter.

>>1501889
>That had nothing to do with Biden killing the Keystone XL project, halting development in Alaska, trying to halt development in the Gulf of Mexi - ahem, America until a judge stopped him, halting new leases on public lands, increasing taxes on oil production, increased royalties, increased EPA fees, increased EPA restrictions, ban on trade with Russia which accounted for 10% of our imports, rejoining the Paris agreement, funneling government money into green energy deals that went nowhere while cutting out fossil fuel companies, and has claimed twice during the election he wanted to end all fossil fuel companies?
Funny how all this cope about how Biden was trying to assassinate fossil fuels (ignoring the aftereffects of the pandemic on gas prices entirely) and Trump still did more damage through sheer stupidity.

>>1501899

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2026/03/31/is-trump-about-to-abandon-plans-to-reopen-strait-of-hormuz/
What are Iran’s plans for the strait?

Iran’s parliamentary national security committee has approved draft legislation requiring ships that are given access to pay transit tolls.

The Bill would ban vessels linked to the US and Israel from accessing the strait and prohibit passage to ships from countries imposing unilateral sanctions on Iran. The Bill awaits full parliamentary approval.

Iran seeks to charge hostile nations $2 million (€1.7 million) to be paid in Chinese yuan while granting free passage to ships from friendly nations. Iran intends this regime to be permanent, not a wartime emergency measure. At least two vessels have paid the toll, according to Lloyd’s List cited by Al-Jazeera.

How would the new system work?

Vessels submit their international maritime number, cargo manifest, crew list, ownership details and destination port to Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) intermediaries to secure authorisation. Approved vessels are escorted through the strait by an IRGC naval boat.

Instead of sticking to the established route along two well-defined lanes running through the centre of the strait between Iran and Oman, approved vessels must follow the Iranian coastline. Consequently, vessels remain within Iranian jurisdiction during passage.

>>1501916
They literally doubled their revenue because of this war. Trump has unironically been the biggest economic boon to Iran in their entire history.

>>1501899
>serious question: why does Trump keep saying America doesn't need the Strait?
Trump is used to simply lying and having his followers do mental gymnastics for their perception of reality to match his lies, as you can see many doing in this thread. If gas prices and pretty much everything that is shipped and is made with plastic gets more expensive, then its fake news, we're actually winning. And if it is true, then its because of Biden; because Trump said we dont need the strait.
>Does he know that he's misleading the american public
Yes, that has been his MO since 2016
>or is he genuinely retarded?
I mean both things can be true no?

>>1501899
It doesn’t really matter whether he knows the increase in prices at the pump is his fault for starting the war which led to the Iranians closing (really dramatically reducing traffic in) the strait, that’s his line and he constantly lies all the time anyway. If his base want to blame Europe they will whether rightly or wrongly

>>1501916
>US and Israel banned
>countries with sanctions on Iran pay the toll
>everyone else free passage

>>1501889
Biden drilled more than Trump. That is just a fact that flies right in the face of your fucking bullshit.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-producting-more-oil-donald-trump-environment-1858714

>>1501877
Pandemic killed millions. Your foolish selfishness does not destroy history. All studies show that after the pandemic was over, that COVID is far deadlier than a regular flu. Especially to the elderly. But you don’t give a fuck about anyone other than your self. The rest of us live in a society where we saw friends and family get sick and die.

>>1501891
Because they attack one of the biggest oil producers in the world? Yes. Is that hard for you to you to understand? Or are you just being a willfully ignorant bitch who snickers as they post stupid comments? Owned the libs by being a fucking idiot did ya?

>>1501889
Nah it was just Covid's fault the last time gas prices were this high

>>1501933
The prices went up because there was a lack of demand which caused a reduction of supply which then caused prices to rise again

>>1501923
>Pandemic killed millions. Your foolish selfishness does not destroy history. All studies show that after the pandemic was over, that COVID is far deadlier than a regular flu. Especially to the elderly. But you don’t give a fuck about anyone other than your self. The rest of us live in a society where we saw friends and family get sick and die.
Only old people died from it and the country could go with less of them anyway

>>1501911
>Oil production literally went up under Biden.
After he got his ass kicked in 2022, tried begging OPEC to help only for them to laugh at him, then had to walk back his executive orders and beg our oil companies for help. Also that "oil production went up under Biden" doesn't look as impressive when you look at the trend of oil production over the last 10 years and realize that Biden eventually got us back where we were before the pandemic. We were already 'producing more oil than ever' before COVID.

>>1501913
>He can control gas prices if he does something so monumentally stupid
Like all the things I listed? Oh wait, that wasn't the talking point democrats said when he was in office. It was
>he dun control gas prices, OPEC does!
Funny how that line doesn't apply under a Republican.

>>1501939
>Biden eventually got us back where we were before the pandemic. We were already 'producing more oil than ever' before COVID.
Oil production ceased during the pandemic because no one was buying oil and they were sitting on stockpiles you retard. Getting us back to pre-pandemic is a good thing.

>>1501939
>Funny how that line doesn't apply under a Republican.
maybe stop being a retarded ESL shill

>>1501939
>Funny how that line doesn't apply under a Republican.
That doesn't apply when you START A CONFLICT THAT RESULTS IN THE CLOSURE OF THE STRAIT 20% OF THE WORLDS OIL GOES THROUGH YOU FUCKING RETARD. Jesus christ there is a difference between policy decisions surrounding OPEC and literally making it so that oil physically cannot reach ports.

>>1501943
dont get worked up mate your arguing with a shill/bot (they're so similar that they might as well be the same)

>>1501916
This would end the microsecond Israel hits one of the ships who paid the toll, which they would, and then blame us for it.

>>1501923
we truly live in a society

>>1501941
>Oil production ceased during the pandemic because no one was buying oil and they were sitting on stockpiles you retard.
Yeah, and? What part of before COVID did you not understand?

>>1501943
>That doesn't apply when you START A CONFLICT THAT RESULTS IN THE CLOSURE OF THE STRAIT 20% OF THE WORLDS OIL GOES THROUGH YOU FUCKING RETARD.
You wanted to make excuses for that incompetent retard Biden deciding to ass-rape our domestic oil production IN THE MIDDLE OF RECOVER OF A PANDEMIC, and dismiss every terrible decision he made. So you don't get to bitch when it's turned against you now. How's it feel?

>>1501953
>Yeah, and? What part of before COVID did you not understand?
The part where you literally say he got us back to pre-pandemic levels and somehow that's proof Biden was incompetent on oil even though the pandemic directly caused oil production to slow.

>You wanted to make excuses for that incompetent retard Biden deciding to ass-rape our domestic oil production IN THE MIDDLE OF RECOVER OF A PANDEMIC
He didn't ass-rape out domestic oil production, the pandemic did. And arguing "What Biden did had a negative effect too!" doesn't detract from the fact Trump did had even worse effects in an ever shorter amount of time. You say Biden fucked out oil over the course of two years, then Trump did the exact same amount of damage in literally a month and a half. Why are you making excuses for Trump fucking up gas so badly he erased not just all of his decreases, but also Biden's price decreases from the pandemic's peak?

>>1501954
>The part where you literally say he got us back to pre-pandemic levels
After rolling back his decisions to fuck our domestic oil production in 2022.
>and somehow that's proof Biden was incompetent on oil even though the pandemic directly caused oil production to slow.
And took us even longer to get back on track thanks to his dogshit policies. If not for that we wouldn't have to wait until 2023 to get back where we were pre-covid.

And the whole time you simps made excuses for him and then tried to gaslight us about economy.

>>1501954
>He didn't ass-rape out domestic oil production,
I gave a short list covering the main points of things he did to ass-rape our domestic oil production. Go ahead and defend him again like old times. Tell me more how raising the taxes and EPA restrictions doesn't increase the cost of oil. Bitch more about how oil companies aren't using all of their leases when he just shut down a major project that took years and millions of dollars.
>in before durr export only, when even opponents admit at least 30% would be used domestically

>Why are you making excuses for Trump fucking up gas
Frustrating isn't it?

>>1501959
>I think Biden pissed the bed so I'll make constant excuses for Trump shitting in it
Yada yada yada. Trump has fucked up even worse than Biden and all you can do is seethe about your take on Biden's oil policy while ignoring the pandemic happened.

>>1501961
>Trump has fucked up even worse than Biden
No one has ever fucked up as bad as Biden.
In fact, despite this fuck up, he's not even close to Biden levels of fucking up.
We should clean up our language by saying Bidened up, instead of fucked up because Biden was quite literally that bad.
There's simply no comparison yet.
Also, your statement FINALLY admits that Biden was a fuck up. It's the first time I've seen anyone admit it.

>>1501964
>No one has ever fucked up as bad as Biden.
Really? Because right now Trump has brought us to gas price levels on par with Biden's worst. You're complaining about how high prices got under Biden yet when Trump reaches that point with all signs pointing towards it getting worse, you don't give a shit.

>>1501959
>major project that took years and millions of dollars.
lmao, are you still paid to shill that shitty pipeline?
It was a terrible idea and you should kys for claiming otherwise

>>1501964
The only way Biden fucked up was by not imprisoning the entire current trump administration for telegraphing project 2025. It was quite the fuck up, to be sure

>>1501969
its important to the shill that people agree with their talking points.

it remains completely lost on them that claiming Trump is a good president is only indicative that they don't know what a good president looks like

>>1501966
>Really? Because right now Trump has brought us to gas price levels on par with Biden's worst.
Yes, but there's a reason for it this time.
>>1501969
I voted for Project2025. And you sound like a fascist piece of shit.

>but there's a reason for it this time.
Exactly, Trumps shitty policy

>>1501961
>while ignoring the pandemic happened.
While you ignore the pandemic happened AND Biden decided to cripple our domestic oil production. Y'know a half-way decent democrat would've waited until after the pandemic before trying to eliminate all fossil fuel companies and pushing green energy, but NOPE! In the middle of a pandemic was apparently the best time for Biden.

And you covered for him. So the same excuses you used for Biden are now going to be used here. Bitch all you want, you opened this door and we're walking through it.

>>1501972
And there you go. But t wasn't Biden's shitty policies as a Democrat puppet ruler that led to his complete failure as a leader, so I've been told.
And while things were going south, I heard nothing but glowing pro-Biden propaganda, and everyone said I'm imagining it.
But end of day, Biden was the culmination of everything Democrats want and he failed miserably.
He took a booming economy and slaughtered it. Drove up gas prices, fucked up US supply lines. It was a fucking horrorshow.
And now Trump attacks Iran and shit's just as bad as it was under Biden?
Not even close you stupid fucking faggots.
No matter how much shit you faggots pump into complaining about Trump I will never forget the DemoJesus was elected and he destroyed everything in months.
That's Democrats. That's what you do. That's what you want.

>>1501969
Damn bro you're an unironic fascist.

>>1501973
>While you ignore the pandemic happened
The pandemic. The one that ended a month after Biden won the election?
Yeah, that was good timing.

>>1501973
>AND Biden decided to cripple our domestic oil production
citation needed
You're still pretending the Keystone pipeline affected domestic production, so we already know you're wrong and retarded before you go straight into gaslighting that oil consumption was up during the pandemic

>>1501973
>>1501975
>I need to keep making excuses for Trump's fuck ups because people pointed out the situation was more complicated than "Biden bad"
There's literally no excuses for Trump. There wasn't a pandemic or major world event. He got us into a war that singlehandedly brought oil back to post-pandemic prices for no reason other than his own ego and because Netanyahu said so. You wanna talk about a slaughtered economy, compare Biden's to Trump and you'll see the story of a very near brush with recession spiraling into one because of one retard who was never told no. Everything is worse under Trump than it ever was under Biden on an objective level. But you're mad people told you off so you'll excuse Trump burning our entire economy to the ground out of pure stupidity.

>>1501978
Pretending that pulling the plug on that didn't cause issues is ridiculous. And it was literally one of the first things Biden did.

>>1501979
Yes it's a war. And there's a reason for the increase. Instead of, "Burh it wasn't Biden, OK".
And it's now at Biden levels with a major shipping route shut down.
Thus it wasn't caused by any ill-advised domestic policy.

>>1501980
>immediate goalpost move
Keystone a shitty idea with a lot of risk for literally nothing in return

>>1501981
>Yes it's a war.
Which we started and escalated for no clear reason beyond "Netanyahu wanted it"

This 1501981 retard is really gaslighting themselves into believing that this whole Iran situation isn't Trumps fault

>>1501983
>Started.
This war started in 1979.
>Netanyahu
Well, next time we try to kill the jews throw some support our way, OK.

>>1501985
I do believe my main argument revolved around Joe Biden being A MASSIVE FUCK UP.
I never said Trump didn't attack Iran.

>>1501987
It doesn't really matter what sort of made up lies your argument revolves around if they're all made up lies

I'll accept your concession that Trump is a fuck up of massive proportions though.

>>1501986
>This war started in 1979.
Oh yeah because we've been actively bombing Iran and killing their leadership mid-negotiation since then.

Fuckwit, literally every single strategic advisor knew this shit would happen. But Trump doesn't like listening to other people. So he did it and then was shocked when what everyone knew would happen if we went to war with Iran did in-fact happen. Now he's scrambling so badly it's looking increasingly like them blocking the strait will just be the new status quo because it's either we get involved in another middle eastern quagmire (which likely ends with the destruction of desalination plants that collapses the entire oil industry across the entire middle east) or accept that gas prices will be $2 higher for the next few decades. All because of your little orange retard.

>>1501987
>I do believe my main argument revolved around Joe Biden being A MASSIVE FUCK UP.
And how is your opinion on Biden relevant to right now? Biden fixed his problem. Argue he didn't do it well or fast enough, but prices went down from the post-pandemic peak in 2022. Trump has now not only undone his own price reductions, one of the few things he's done right in this entire disaster of a term, but he's also undone all of Biden's as well.

>>1501988
Well, the initial post I responded to seemed to say that Biden was A MASSIVE FUCK UP.
>>1501989
And? If there's a chance to end it and move past 50 year old political stagnation why not?
It'll be like how he obliterated Democrats foreverplatform of killing babies.

>>1501991
>And? If there's a chance to end it and move past 50 year old political stagnation why not?
Well look how that's going. Either we go boots to ground and be involved in another middle eastern quagmire or we accept that Iran now has full control of the strait. It's doing wonders for them so far and if anything the US and Israel openly saying how they're an existential threat to the Iranian people has solidified the regime instead of letting it be overthrown, because a population would rather deal with a tyrannical local government than being killed en masse by a foreign one.

Trump fucked up worse than Biden ever did. That's plain reality at this point.

>>1501991
>It'll be like how he obliterated Democrats foreverplatform of killing babies.
...so Trump war in Iran will end up as a failed propaganda campaign unable to justify the harm it did while also not solving any of the problems it set out to do?
Apparently a closeted broken clock is right at least once a day

>>1501992
>Trump fucked up worse than Biden ever did. That's plain reality at this point.
Nah, it hasn't been years of uncontrolled hyper inflation, tax increases and gas price increases yet. Keep me posted though.
>>1501993
No, the point there is that without abortion as a federal platform, Democrats are a listless party of tax-hungry goons exploiting retards using centuries old grievances.Worthless party.

>>1501996
how much and what drugs did you smoke to gaslight yourself into believing Democrats ever ran on a pro-abortion platform when abortion was legal?

>>1501996
get a real job esl shill

>>1502000
What? How old or fucking or foreign are you?

>caught in another lie, the shill fakes indignation instead of revealing that their hallucinations came from a crippling fentanyl addiction

>>1502003
Huh? I'm not accepting your "shut it down" post.
I am accepting your concession.

>>1502004
Yeah, all you can do is slink away and pretend you won because you don't have anything to back up your retardation.
Just go back to your containment board

>>1501935
>>1501933
That was directly the fault of trump because the Saudi's were still producing like normal and it was putting America Big Oil out of business. So trump threaten them to cut production, which jacked up prices.
https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-us-military-support--idUSKBN22C1V3/

>>1502005
>slink away.
I've done nothing of the sort. Democrat's platform 100% was based on abortion until they were bought out by the faggot lobby. Then it became the faggot abortion party.

>>1502008
>>slink away.
>I've done nothing of the sort
We know

>>1502008
"but what about my shill talking points" isn't ever going to win the argument about the iran war shill anon

>>1502007
Based.
>2020
What year is it though?
And it was noted that this was due to lower oil prices during the plandemic.
Nice conspiracy thought. I'd call it a conspiracy theory bur since it's lacking any supporting evidence at all, it's simply a conspiracy fantasy.

>>1502010
Who the fuck gives a shit about Iran, we already won

>>1502011
>Trying to gaslight on /news/
Election tourists are really something.

>>1502010
I wasn't arguing about the Iran war. I was arguing about who's the bigger fuck up.
And so far, Biden is a clear winner.
Trump? It's been like a month of slightly higher gas prices.
There you go. That's what I was talking about. So, if you like you can go back and read my posts to see.

>>1502012
considering you're a shill and you actually seek america's diminution, i guess you have won

>>1502010
but "bue what about my shill talking points" is always going to be the response to questions about their shill talking points

>>1502015
you're in a thread about the higher gas prices due to trump's war on iran. sorry to break it to you bud, that is what you're arguing bout

>>1502019
No this is Irans war on America, Trump's the only president with the balls to finally do something about it though.

>>1502019
And the post I replied too was comparing Biden to Trump.
And again, call me when it's been years of higher gas pices.

>>1502021
god you're esl

>>1502022
Concession accepted once again.
Thank you.

>>1502023
nobody is arguing with you esl shill, you're too busy engaging in your own delusions. by the way, that's the correct way to use "too"

>>1502021
>And again, call me when it's been years of higher gas pices.
I don't think you understand. We physically cannot go back to low prices; too much equipment has been destroyed and too much damage is already done on both a physical and political level. It will only get worse from here for the foreseeable future.

>>1502025
hmm, interesting thought. I'm just going to ignore your alarmist bullshit, faggot.

>>1502026
>alarmist bullshit
about 35% of the gulf's oil production capability has already been destroyed by Iran's retaliatory strikes. You can't rebuild that overnight. We're in an oil shortage it will take years to fix even if the Strait is opened this fucking second. You're in denial of reality.

>>1502026
spell more words wrong so we can make fun of you, that's all you're good for you know

>>1502007
He told them to cut down production when Gas was at record low levels.
He also filled up the strategic petroleum reserve at the same time to try and drive production.
While Joe Biden drained the strategic petroleum reserve for electoral purposes. He thought if gas prices were too high during the midterms that might hurt him politically so he drained the strategic petroleum reserve.
Trump builds, Biden takes

>>1502028
Doesn't effect America. Don't care. America First.

>>1502031
thanks esl shill, we appreciate your stupidity

>>1502028
If recent history has taught me anything, it's not to listen to a word of what liggerals say about economics. Commie fuckwits and tax increase enjoyers have zero idea about anything.
Therefore, keep me posted, OK?

>>1502030
>Trump builds, Biden takes
And right now he's spiked the price of oil worldwide due to something every fucking military and foreign policy analyst would've told him would happen and his only response is "I didn't think they'd do that".

AFTER he already dropkicked the US economy with rounds upon rounds of universal tariffs that left us completely unreliable because he'd change them based on his horoscope.

AND he spent the last year pissing off every ally to the point they'd rather pay Iran than work with us.

>>1502033
>If recent history has taught me anything, it's not to listen to a word of what liggerals say about economics.
IDK all of them were warning "Trump's tariffs are retarded and will just spike prices while doing nothing for manufacturing". You said "Don't listen to the experts they don't know anything" and then the tariffs proceeded to spike prices while doing nothing for manufacturing.

>>1502035
If you ignore Democrats when they're right about the economy in the past you can justify continuing to ignore them being right about the economy now because they didn't warn you you were fucking up in the past

>>1502033
This. Everyday since 2015 the MSM fearmongers about President Trump as if the sky were falling, and yet America just keeps succeeding under his rule. Ya I'm done listening to leftists. Keep crying, don't really care, not gonna listen. You'll enjoy the brighter future that our President is building even though you won't deserve it, but I'm fine with that.

>>1502038
>our

>>1502038
i hope shill farms become legitimate targets during wwiii

>>1502034
Right, and Biden spiked the price of oil worldwide when he put up an active defense of Ukraine in 2022, instead of rolling over like Obama did in 2014 with Crimea, when every fucking military and foreign policy analyst would've told him would happen and his only response is "whatever it takes"

>>1502041
>Biden spiked the price of oil worldwide when he put up an active defense of Ukraine in 2022
Oh so now suddenly it's him giving Ukraine support that caused that? I thought it was the twenty other things you listed.

Oh and newsflash dumbass; Biden didn't start that war and there's a difference between just Crimea and all of Ukraine.

>>1502035
But it didn't happen.
>>1502037
>right about the economy
Never once happened.

>>1502038
>yet America just keeps succeeding under his rule
>We're succeeding so well we just started a war and are now trying to leave after having given our enemy an economic boon
>Oh and also the job market is non-existent and gas costs at least $4 universally

>>1502040
Me too. Maybe if you hide under a table you'll survive

>>1502044
>But it didn't happen.
Come on anon try harder then that. We've had a whole year of Trump and it's been nothing but downturn across the board. Trump's great manufacturing push literally LOST us manufacturing it was such a fuckup.

>>1502047
No, democrats said that was going to happen and they've never been right, so you must be wrong

>>1502050
you're not even trying anymore esl shill. do we need to call you meaner names

>>1502030
>He told them to cut down production when Gas was at record low levels.
So trump intentionally raised prices on Americans.
Gotcha

>>1502058
YES GENUINE! PREACH!!! YOU'RE WINNING.

>>1502043
Most experts will say the Russia-Ukraine war caused the price of gas to rise.
So did the destruction of Nordstream 2

>>1502058
Libs tried to claim that the President can't directly influence gas prices
TRUMP PROVED YOU WRONG AGAIN

>>1501978
>citation needed
>That had nothing to do with Biden killing the Keystone XL project, halting development in Alaska, trying to halt development in the Gulf of Mexi - ahem, America until a judge stopped him, halting new leases on public lands, increasing taxes on oil production, increased royalties, increased EPA fees, increased EPA restrictions, ban on trade with Russia which accounted for 10% of our imports, rejoining the Paris agreement, funneling government money into green energy deals that went nowhere while cutting out fossil fuel companies, and has claimed twice during the election he wanted to end all fossil fuel companies?

>You're still pretending the Keystone pipeline affected domestic production,
>when even opponents admit at least 30% would be used domestically

>>1502058
>So trump intentionally raised prices on Americans.
Ah ah ah! The president doesn't control gas prices. Remember?

>>1502068
he sure thought he controlled the strait of hormuz though

>>1502069
He sure thought tariffs would fix the economy too

>>1501951
What happens next depends on whose ship

>>1502070
He thought the allies who openly told he would do nothing for would come to bail him out too

>>1502073
This is fucking hilarious
The rest of the world is telling Trump to fix the mess he made and all Trump can do is throw up his hands and yell, "You come fix it then!"

>>1502073
He was threatening war against those same allies not a year ago. Canada and Greenland

>>1502075
The worst part is now he's going to blame everyone else for his fuck up and use that as the excuse to betray the west to Russia if they come into armed conflict.

Just ignore the fact that trump is sucking russian dick to this very day.

>>1502077
I’m of the west and we aren’t relying on the Americans. Honestly I think it’s more likely Trump joins Russia against Europe than any American help against Russia. NATO goes on without the US for now, can’t have an ally without trust and can’t trust Trump. There’s already a lot of anti-Europe propaganda going around

>>1502080
>we aren’t relying on the Americans
Your military doesn't have the bullets to run proper firing drills, let alone the manpower necessary to secure your sovereignty.

>>1502084
you're literally not american

>>1502086
Okay.
Good luck clearing out the strait.

>>1502092
thanks for proving my point

>>1502080
Jeet

>>1501869
MAGA gets what they voted for with high gas prices
Meanwhile I'm driving around for free in my electric car and tax-break funded solar panels

>>1502038
>Everyday since 2015 the MSM fearmongers about President Trump as if the sky were falling
And yet he was worse than anyone could have possibly fathomed.

>Ya I'm done listening to leftists
Why LARP as if you ever listened to anybody outside of your echo chamber?

>You'll enjoy the brighter future that our President is building
Life must be absolutely blissful in your delusional alternate reality.

>>1502102
>Why LARP as if you ever listened to anybody outside of your echo chamber?
As if you liggerals listen to anyone.
Half of you are still unironic communists, despite the history of death and failure.

GAS @ 4$ WOW THATS CRAZY

ANYWAYS, ABOUT THOSE EPSTEIN FILES...

>>1502106
relax shillhouse

>>1502115
Now we can talk about trump jacking up cost of living and how he's a pedophile.

>>1501869
So, Trump is now saying he wants to leave and doesn't care about the strait. This is, officially, probably one of the most disastrous military operations the US has ever fucking performed from an economic point of view. We started a war that resulted in our enemy gaining complete control of one of the most important shipping lanes in the world and doubling their revenue from it, while also ironically strengthening the standing of the same regime that had mass protests against it. We've effectively given Iran more than we took, and as a result we've also doubled the price of gas across the US. Great work everyone.

>>1502129
just another false rapture i guess

>>1502129
Nah it's actually pretty great. The US can remain energy independent while the rest of NATO gets fucked from mass migration.

>>1502143
>The US can remain energy independent
Yeah that's not how it works. Oil is determined by global prices. You'll be paying $4+ at the pump for likely the next decade at least and you'll have Trump to blame for it.

>>1502149
>Oil is determined by global prices.
Then the solution is to drill and export more.

>>1502129
Meh, fuck Israel and all of Yourope.
The eurotrash had no interest in helping, they just want to reap the benefits.
But he's also just issued new threats to Iran, so you're probably wrong that he's just going to leave.

>>1502153
You need a better grasp on reality

>>1502154
They need to hook a hose up to their exhaust and breathe deep.

>>1502166
Who are "they"?

>>1501891
>>1501880
Anon you have to be trolling if you don't understand how Trump caused gas prices to go up. You can't be that stupid

>>1502150
It is physically impossible to drill and export enough to offset the loss of the Strait.

>>1501923
>>1501933
>>1501941
>>1501943
>>1501953
>>1501966
>>1501979
>>1502118

Ever notice how the liberal goal posts move with incomprehensible retardation. When gas prices go up and it's their guy in office they be saying ( don't worry guys no big deal you can buy an electric vehicle and save the environment we don't need gas.) But when it's not their guy in office it's ( fuck this guy my gas gas guzzler cost too much to run.) now that the EV experiment has failed and manufacturers are winding down and limiting production we suddenly care about oil prices. Narcissistic bastards.

>>1502206
>now that the EV experiment has failed
No you retard, the same fuckwit that made gas unaffordable also started a trade war with most of the producers of vehicle parts and eliminated the EV tax credits.

>>1502206
Your willful ignorance is an ugly dress and makes you look like a whore.

Your flat denial that bombing Iran raised gas prices and Trump made that choice so he is responsible is pathetic bro,

>>1502207
I find it weird that everyone is complaining about Tariffs under Trurmp, but had no problem with Biden using tariffs
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-69004520
He put a 100% tariff on chinese EVs, 50% tariff on Chinese solar cells.
I thought we needed to have more Electric vehicles, so why did we double the price of electric vehicles? This just confirms the theory some people where rich people drive cars and they price poor people out of driving. Rich people eat steak, poor people eat bugs for the sake of the environment.

>>1502207
>>1502213
Both you bots are assuming I'm defending Trump I'm not dudes a Zionist fuck I'm just calling you out for your streaming pile of horse shit.

>>1502206
Ever notice how conservatives straw men to distract from the fact that all the economic disasters in the world are caused by them?

>>1502215
>I'm blaming 'leftists' for 'moving the goalposts,' and not trump for the causal chain of events involving pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, tarriffing parts to build new cars, and oh yeah starting a war with one of the largest producers of oil in the world.
>I'm not defending trump! I mean I clearly am, I guess my complacent little rat brain is just too stupid to realize it.
>I don't really even know what moving the goalposts or narcissism mean, I'm just desperately trying to use words I just learned to sound smarter, because I'm worried talking to me actually makes people dumber.

>>1502217
> You don't agree with me so you must be the opposite of what I am, conservative Nazi.

Literally I don't give a fuck about political idealism and Hardline activism I care about the truth. The worst time of my life was Obama's housing market collapse and he directly did that. The banks were eating each other up so quick my mortgage was being transferred every week to a new bank so that I couldn't even pay the damn thing and it kept tacking on late fines. I was so upside down on that place I said fuck it and moved to a shitty appt. Was making $75k a year lived in a shit hole for months because Obama's economy was doing so well.

>>1502207
If they saved so much money and they were so much better people wouldn't give a shit if they cost 20K more than a normal vehicle but they don't work as well. they may in the future but not right now they don't and trying to force people into buying only that just made matters worse. Just look at that Ford electric truck even the most liberal tree happy squirrel hugging green reviewer admitted that it had lots and lots of problems being a truck.

>>1502221
Nah, you're just a conservicuck whose been beaten so hard you're mumbling 'both sides bad'
You're still a broken pussy who will willingly crawl over and suck Trumps dick for the rest of the year.

>>1502221
>they may in the future but not right now they don't
Yeah because some orange retard gutted the fund that was making charging stations widely available to reduce the cost then also increased the price of producing them. Not surprising considering this is the same retard who literally paid companies to kill wind power then promptly caused the price of gas to double practically overnight.

>>1502198
And yet you couldn't believe that Biden caused gas prices to go up. He didn't control them, OPEC does. Remember?

>>1502231
So you're angry that Biden refused to gargle Saudi cock like Trump?
Shouldn't you be angry that Trump gargled Saudi cock and then asked them to hurt Americans?

>>1502233
>Biden refused to gargle Saudi cock like Trump?
Gas prices went up under Biden because he imposed new environmental restrictions and hampered new drilling.

>>1502234
>he imposed new environmental restrictions
Chevron got struck down under Biden. That shit basically crippled the federal regulatory state.
>and hampered new drilling
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? So much land had been opened up to drilling before Biden that most of it isn't even being exploited and companies aren't looking to buy more under Trump. There is a massive glut in domestic access as far as drilling goes.

>>1502234
So you're fine with Trump colluding with a foreign government to raise prices on Americans?
This is why everyone calls you an ESL shill

>>1502235
They're just paid to change the topic to baselessly attack Democrats constantly
They've already gotten BTFO on this every time

>>1502233
>So you're angry that Biden refused to gargle Saudi cock like Trump?
No, I'm pointing out that Biden did a whole list of things to fuck up and you defended him. Nice try.

If the president doesn't control gas prices under Biden then the president doesn't control gas prices under Trump. You don't get to pick and choose when a president is responsible for their actions.

>>1502237
You're the only one claiming Trump controlled gas prices, esl shill

>>1502221
Interesting how you call yourself a Nazi.
Who did not see that coming?

Also, way to prove my point.

>>1502237
>If the president doesn't control gas prices under Biden then the president doesn't control gas prices under Trump. You don't get to pick and choose when a president is responsible for their actions.
Biden didn't cause the blockade of 20% of the world's fucking oil supply you retard. The president can't control international gas prices purely through policy and decisions involving US gas, but they sure as fuck can if they cut off 1/5 of the world's supply of oil by starting a war with the country in control of one of the world's most important shipping lanes.

>>1502242
No, they're trying to falsely equate Biden's actions as affecting oil prices with Trump literally slobbering over Saudi cock and telling them to pump less to raise gas prices

Neither involve the president controlling gas prices, but one of them was Trump selling out America and having the Saudi's do it.

>>1502242
>Biden didn't cause the blockade of 20% of the world's fucking oil supply you retard.
And Trump didn't cancel major oil projects, ban trade, raise taxes, threaten to end all oil companies, and a hundred other things I could mention. So stop your bitching. You people set the precedent from here on out: the president doesn't control gas prices. OPEC does.

>>1502246
>a hundred other things I could mention
But can you mention things that Biden did that affected oil prices?

>>1502246
>OPEC does.
Correct. But OPEC can't do anything but increase prices when 20% of the world's fucking oil supply physically cannot exit the gulf states.

Comparing any of Biden's policy decisions and statements to Trump causing a near complete shutdown of one of the world's most important shipping lanes is completely retarded. Literally all of Biden's actions combined had nowhere near the effect on gas prices that Trump's war on Iran has.

>>1502248
why indulge a shills impotent rage that Trump created a global problem that they can't understand or resolve?

>>1502247
>But can you mention things that Biden did that affected oil prices?
I just did. Again. After listing them several times. The fact that you can't even acknowledge that is why we're having this conversation. Since Biden dindu nuffin, guess what? Trump dindu nuffin.

>>1502248
Biden's decisions directly impacted the supply, production, and COST of oil - and all everyone here on /news/ chanted "Nuh uhhh! I can't here you! La la la!"

Now it's your turn. If Biden can't affect gas prices, neither does Trump.
>b-but that's (D)ifferent

>>1502250
>>But can you mention things that Biden did that affected oil prices?
>I just did.
>Biden can't affect gas prices
See a doctor, you're having a stroke

>>1502250
>Biden's decisions directly impacted the supply, production, and COST of oil - and all everyone here on /news/ chanted "Nuh uhhh! I can't here you! La la la!"
At nowhere near the magnitude to actually matter.

>If Biden can't affect gas prices, neither does Trump.
So you're saying that the blockade of the Strait doesn't do anything for oil prices?

>>1502251
lol keep coping. You want to make excused for a democrat president, then those same excuses apply to a Republican.

>>1502252
Does raising taxes on oil affect the cost of oil?

>>1502253
>make excused
make excuses
You're slipping, esl shill

>>1502255
you're projecting again, esl shill

>>1502254
Nowhere near the scale of a blockade.

>>1502257
Not what I asked. Does raising taxes on oil affect the cost of oil?

>>1502257
Don't bother replying if the ESL sihll won't bother learning that the US President doesn't levy taxes

>>1502222
I'm a registered Democrat actually.

>>1502223
I went to trade school to work on wind turbines you retards have no clue how environment unfriendly they are they use a massive about of gear oil we then "recycle" that oil by sending it to China to burn in open smelters.

>>1502241
You have no clue how this site works go back to Facebook.

>>1502260
you're projecting again, esl >sihll

Biden killed US oil supply to the world market.
Trump killed gulf oil supply to the world market.

One harms US Oil companies, one benefits US Oil companies.

>>1502266
I am not worried about oil companies.

Which one benefits me?

>>1502266
>Biden killed US oil supply to the world market.
Lol no he didn't. You can listen to the shareholder meetings where the oil companies said they were going to keep supply low after covid to maintain the high price of oil. They had just experienced a tank in oil price when covid shut down global commerce and gas actually went negative.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/energy/gas-prices-oil-production-wall-street/index.html
>Fifty-nine percent of oil executives said investor pressure to maintain capital discipline is the primary reason publicly traded oil producers are restraining growth, according to a Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas survey released Wednesday.
We don't have a nationalized gas industry. The president can't demand the oil companies stop or produce more oil. He didn't allow them to buy pubic land at a subsidized rate just so they could sit on it.
>Trump killed gulf oil supply to the world market.
It's only killed for US. Iran is transporting oil out and Trump even removed the sanctions on it.

>>1502266
>Oh boo hoo, the Biden won't let us have free land to drill for oil on so we can continue to rape the American people by bowing down to shareholders every chance we get!
If gas companies want to drill shit so bad, have them buy the fucking land fair and square.
>B-bu-but then they won't be profitable and the wealth won't trickle down!?
Wake up and smell the fumes from your empty gas tank.

>>1502310
>If gas companies want to drill shit so bad, have them buy the fucking land fair and square.
NTA, you must've forgot the part where Biden banned them from doing that during his term.

But the president doesn't have any effect on the price of oil (when it's a dem).

>>1502306
>>Fifty-nine percent of oil executives said investor pressure to maintain capital discipline is the primary reason publicly traded oil producers are restraining growth, according to a Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas survey released Wednesday.
Oh I remember this one! Post that survey again! I want to see those other parts that talked about government restrictions, COVID restrictions, and the hesitancy to build more infrastructure until a Republican gets into office. Pull that shit up again!

>>1502306
In fact, fuck it! I'll do it for you.
https://www.dallasfed.org/research/surveys/des/2022/2201#tab-questions

>The industry is facing serious supply issues for the materials needed to grow production. The supply-chain issues and shortage of materials are unprecedented.

>We are also facing serious workforce issues because a meaningful portion of the labor force left the industry during the downturn and due to the VILIFICATION of the oil and gas industry.

>The message from the White House, Capitol Hill and Wall Street has been that oil and gas is a dying industry and one that needs to be abandoned. Even if funding were available and supply-chain issues were resolved, it is unlikely that the labor shortage will be resolved any time soon and simply by paying higher wages.

Gee I wonder what they could POSSIBLY be talking about!

>>1502306
>U.S. government actions and intentions are not helping U.S. producers to increase domestic oil and gas supplies appreciably.

WHO on earth would do such a thing?!? Which government actions???
>Protip: I listed some of them already.

>>1502311
Can you read? He stopped leases of PUBLIC LAND. Gas companies are free to buy shit on the free market like everyone else. Sorry Biden didn't want to sell off more of OUR land to gas companies who aren't using what they already have when Americans are hurting.
>>1502313
I shared it for:
>>1502266
who wasn't aware and was talking complete bullshit, but thanks for enjoying the link.

>>1502315
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/big-oil-doubles-profits-blockbuster-2022-2023-02-08/
Big Oil doubles profits in blockbuster 2022
>Trust us! We're really hurting! Ignore the numbers, it's actually the Democrats and Hunter Biden's penis stopping us from producing more.

>>1502318
>Can you read? He stopped leases of PUBLIC LAND.
Funny, I didn't see the word "Public" anywhere in your post. Can you show me where you said that here:
>>Oh boo hoo, the Biden won't let us have free land to drill for oil on so we can continue to rape the American people by bowing down to shareholders every chance we get!
>If gas companies want to drill shit so bad, have them buy the fucking land fair and square.

>>1502319
After June 2022 when gas was over $5/gal and Biden had to walk back his restrictions and beg those same oil companies he threatened to kill for help. Thanks.

>>1502320
>sure, gas was over $5/gal and oil companies were making record breaking profits
>but those same gas companies were hurting desperately and passing on the costs Biden was putting on them
>no, profits and costs are different leftists
>shut up and hate Biden
lmao, you're so fucking stupid

>>1502324
lol you're the genius who can't figure out why profits were so high. Perhaps if Biden didn't wait until gas got so expensive before telling US companies he was sorry, they wouldn't be making such record profits as they slowly bring the price down by increasing our supply that he damn near depleted.

>>1502324
That and you also don't know how time works apparently. Which occurred first; the record breaking profits or the survey? Here's a hint: both articles have dates posted up top.

In true shill fashion, no answers, just questions and bullshit and goalpost moving
I'll accept your concession, and keep BTFOing everything you post

>>1501880
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>>1502231
Trump started an unconstitutional war against an OPEC country you fucking brainlet

>>1502335
Trump killed gulf oil and refineries so US oil exports are more profitable. Far from sucking the Saudis or gulf states he convinced Iran to set their infrastructure on fire.

>>1502261
>>1502266
>trump pedos lying again
This isn't /pol/, your lies are getting contested here.

>>1502335
You just got him to admit trump started a war so American companies can price gouge the American public.
>>1502348
This is a smoking gun US oil needs to be nationalized after trump is removed from office.

It's hilarious how Brandon is more relevant in the zeitgeist now than he ever was in his own term.

>If you elect Harris, she will start WW3 with Iran
>Proceeds to try to start WW3 with Iran to steal oil/distract from Epstein and ICE/fulfill evanjelly prophecy
Not saying that Harris wouldn't have started something with Iran, because she was pretty zionist, but is it always DARVO with these guys?

>>1502355
He was only saying that shit to get votes. Only people who fell for it were rubes and leftists. If you are upset, you got trolled by the master himself. The rest of us are happy drinking your baby tears.

>>1502358
Wait so now starting WW3 is good?

>>1502348
This is why Iran will demand reparations. The US will pay to rebuild all this stuff

>>1502394
Like we did after Operation Praying Mantis? Oh wait.

>>1502358
So he lied to get votes.... and the only people who fell for it.... were leftists.... who didn't vote for him....

This is your brain on MAGA. This is what happens when all you do is huff shitty orange micropenis. You can't even argue with these dipshits, because their worldview is inconsistent, self-refuting madness. They should be put down like mad dogs.

What's so hilarious is that gas went up under Brandon because Russia invaded Ukraine, something Brandon had little control over, and was actually cheered on by many on 4chan. But /pol/ still blames him for the gas increases. Now we have a war that is 100% Trump's doing and has led to oil price hikes, and one we weren't prepped for because we hadn't stocked the national oil reserves while the prices were low, and /pol/ is all
>the president doesn't influence the price of gas