Anonymous Trump says he’s considering pu(...) 04/01/26(Wed)15:15:26 No. 1502299 https://www.politico.eu/article/us-donald-trump-considering-pulling-out-of-nato/ President Donald Trump rattled NATO allies on Wednesday morning, as he strongly suggested that the U.S. was weighing whether to pull out of the transatlantic military alliance. "I would say [it’s] beyond reconsideration,” Trump told the Telegraph newspaper, when asked if he would think twice about the U.S.’s membership of the alliance after the Middle East conflict is over. NATO allies have infuriated Trump by uniformly resisting joining the U.S. and Israeli assault on Iran, and rebuffed calls from the president for them to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, a critical energy waterway that Tehran has effectively blocked in retaliation for the bombardment. “I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way,” Trump added. His remarks were published hours after U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Washington may need to reconsider its relationship with NATO once the war against Iran is over, sharply escalating pressure on European allies that America accuses of withholding support. Still, Trump cannot legally exit NATO unilaterally. Under a 2023 law passed under former President Joe Biden, a withdrawal would require backing from two-thirds of the Senate or an Act of Congress. Trump also slammed British Prime Minister Keir Starmer again for Britain's refusal to back America in its war with Iran, and belittled the U.K.'s military. “You don’t even have a navy. You’re too old and had aircraft carriers that didn’t work,” he scoffed about Britain’s fleet of warships. >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)15:18:38 No. 1502300 >>1502299 >Local retard doesn't understand defensive alliances don't help you out on wars where you are the aggressor >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)15:18:49 No. 1502301 >>1502299 What a whiny old man he is.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)15:30:22 No. 1502304 >Local sucker of putin's dick cannot stop sucking putin's dick And people will still claim trump is tough on russia >Mum random, expendable mercs! LMAO>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)15:36:00 No. 1502308 >>1502299 I'm actually pissed at Trump because he promised to do this already and still nothing. His whole selling point was "America First", but instead he dragged us into a war with Iran for Israel's sake. I'll believe him on pulling out of NATO when he actually starts closing bases down.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)15:47:24 No. 1502312 >>1502308 >He didn't realize trump was always 'Russian First' You got what you voted for.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)15:51:02 No. 1502314 >>1502300 So when Israel was attacked on October 7th we had NATO rally behind Israel in their war with Palestine. Because Palestine was the aggressor and Israel was defending themselves>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:02:28 No. 1502321 His daddy Putin will be very pleased. >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:02:40 No. 1502322 >>1502314 When did Israel join NATO?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:24:32 No. 1502329 >>1502308 In what way does pulling out of nato put America first?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:27:34 No. 1502332 >>1502312 Then why doesn't he pull out of NATO already?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:43:15 No. 1502333 >>1502299 >beyond reconsideration burgers, please stop electing these utter retards>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:43:43 No. 1502334 >>1502329 For starters, not paying millions of dollars for bases overseas, that goes to countries full of people who hate us (Turkey, Germany, etc.), so we can involve ourselves in conflicts around the world that contribute nothing to the American people.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:48:12 No. 1502336 >>1502334 Do you understand what the word 'defensive' means?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:49:56 No. 1502337 >>1502314 Israel isn't part of NATO you idiot.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)16:54:32 No. 1502339 >>1502334 We're literally leaving NATO because they don't want to help us after we got involved in a conflict that contributes nothing to the American people. It seems like this'll just make us foot the full bill.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:05:18 No. 1502343 >>1502308 Think of the hormuzian children, you monster>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:07:10 No. 1502344 >>1502336 >Do you understand what the word 'defensive' means? Europe doesn't understand what defensive means, which is why the US should not protect them.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:14:56 No. 1502347 >>1502332 Because he can't unilaterally tear up military treaties, only let them expire and refuse to renew them like he did with the nuclear ones to further empower Putin. trump will act like a bitch, but he can't pull out of NATO entirely.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:34:05 No. 1502357 Attacking countries in the Middle East is not NATO's purpose. NATO wasn’t there to support the French in Algeria and the British in the Falklands either. This is what the NATO charter says:>Article 5 >“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:37:23 No. 1502361 >>1502344 The bases are in Europe because if there’s war between the US and Soviet Union the Americans prefer the fighting to occur in Europe. I’m Australian, we didn’t help the US in this shit either and we have a similar defence arrangement with the US and personally I don’t really care if the US withdraws from all Australian bases, might be a good idea before they start attacking some of our neighbours>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:38:36 No. 1502363 >>1502357 The US administration are trying to say that Iran started this war 47 years ago>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)17:56:36 No. 1502367 >>1502336 >Do you understand what the word 'defensive' means? Defense of who though? Why the fuck should we spend billions of dollars on defending the same Europeans who can't even meet their GDP percentage goals for defense, instead using that money on free healthcare and education so they can talk shit about the US. Yeah it's really nice that Germany can afford to send every adult to college when only 1/3rd of their air force/luftwaffe can fly. >>1502339 >We're literally leaving NATO We're not though. This is just Trump talking shit and making empty promises.>It seems like this'll just make us foot the full bill. The full bill for what? We're paying for these bases overseas. Now imagine the money we would save if we just said fuck it and closed down places like Rammstein AB, NSA Naples, Landshtul, Incirlik, Aviano, etc. etc. Let the rest of the world handle their own problems and stop sending Americans to fight in more foreign wars in the Middle East for eternity. Let Europe worry about Russia. Or just build another fucking army base in Poland. Fuck it, who cares?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:02:18 No. 1502368 >>1502367 I think it's funny you're complaining about this when Trump literally just said live that because of the wars he's put us in we can't have these things.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:03:46 No. 1502371 >>1502368 And? Your point being?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:05:16 No. 1502372 >>1502371 nta, but you're a retard who is shilling for Israel claim you're not a shill all you want, that just means you're programmed to shill for free>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:06:46 No. 1502373 >>1502372 >nta, but you're a retard who is shilling for Israel I'm doing the exact opposite if you knew how to read.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:07:09 No. 1502374 >>1502371 NATO isn't what's stopping us from having every adult in college. Trump's retarded wars and policies are.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:15:50 No. 1502375 >>1502374 And if you scroll up to the beginning of the thread, I already talked about how I'm not thrilled with his decision, or how Israel forced us into another Middle Eastern war. And a major component of our continued involvement in that area is from our European bases which we use for logistics and force projection. Take those bases away and we won't be involved with either Iran or Russia. Kill two birds with one stone.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:20:54 No. 1502376 >>1502375 Russia is already involved with us. They're our greatest enemy. They literally got their stooge into the White House. Pulling out only gives them another advantage.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:22:15 No. 1502377 >>1502376 >They literally got their stooge into the White House. >Pulling out only gives them another advantage. Anon if they have their stooge in the white house, why hasn't he given the order to pull out of NATO already and give them that advantage they put him in for?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:24:40 No. 1502379 >>1502367 Israel can afford free healthcare because the US pays for their military spending>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:28:43 No. 1502380 >>1502379 Which we should stop doing.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:28:43 No. 1502381 >>1502377 Because they you get trapped making a really obvious mistake like attacking another country when the only beneficiary is Israel>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:30:34 No. 1502382 >>1502380 Shame Republicunts are programmed to defend Israel at all costs Between that and Israel having videos of Trump fucking kids America is boned November and Democrats taking over can't come fast enough>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:32:05 No. 1502384 >>1502367 I don’t think you realise that if hypothetically Russia were to conquer Europe they would become one of the strongest superpowers in the history of the world and a direct and dangerous threat to the US in many respects. This is why NATO was formed, because the then Soviet Union had after WWII basically added most of Eastern Europe to its sphere of influence (kind of Empire in a sense). It’s obviously in the US interests to support NATO, this whole anti-Europe movement the past few years from MAGA is some of the most retarded bullshit geopolitically but it’s not a surprise considering the quality of people you have in MAGA>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:33:44 No. 1502385 >>1502384 Well, MAGA sees a bit of themselves in retarded Russians wanting to take over and shit up Europe just like they want to take over and shit up America>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:40:58 No. 1502386 >>1502380 There’s no strategic reason for the US to support Israel to the extent that they do and it’s ridiculous the amount of bitching about the support of NATO when NATO is absolutely in America’s best interests. All Trump had to do was actually annex Canada or Greenland which would’ve immediately triggered article 5 and had the US expelled from and at war with NATO, that’s how he can force America out of NATO and he wouldn’t be able to do this if congress were the only government arm able to declare war.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:41:52 No. 1502387 >>1502384 >I don’t think you realise that if hypothetically Russia were to conquer Europe they would become one of the strongest superpowers in the history of the world and a direct and dangerous threat to the US in many respects. Russia is in year what now? Four? of their special military operation that was only supposed to take three days. I'm not worried about them taking over Europe when they can't even take over Ukraine. Not to mention a number of those European nations have nukes, so the idea that Russia is just going to take over the whole continent in our lifetime is seriously unlikely. Even if they somehow could, we have the world's most powerful military by far. I think we'll be fine.>It’s obviously in the US interests to support NATO Yeah, how? What benefit does it give us to constantly be dragged into conflicts everywhere, trying to police a world that hates us? It doesn't benefit me at all to send 1,000 missiles to Ukraine. It doesn't benefit my neighborhood to send some of it's sons off to Iran. Sell me on why we shouldn't embrace isolationism.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:51:57 No. 1502390 >>1502299 bro is not beating the russian asset allegations>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)18:56:13 No. 1502391 >>1502387 I’ve already explained why NATO is important for the US sufficiently if you don’t understand you probably don’t want to or can’t idk. There’s also the currency issue, there’s no reason why the euro couldn’t be where the dollar is now as the world reserve currency it’s there because the allies of the US support it and they can easily stop if there’s nothing in it for them, clearly the US don’t have the military might to strongarm their former NATO allies into anything. I also don’t think Russia can conquer Europe right now, but without the US in NATO there’s less of a deterrent for Russia they might see if they can try the Baltics or Moldova or just build up for another 25 years and see if Europe are less united, if the two nuclear powers aren’t willing to umbrella their neighbours. I’d be fine with America leaving NATO and all their bases in Europe and we can party like it’s 1491>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:03:09 No. 1502393 >>1502391 >I’ve already explained why NATO is important for the US sufficiently And I countered that. As weak and pathetic as Europe is, they're not going to invade the few nation with nuclear weapons. So Russia taking over Europe anytime in the near future is a fucking fantasy. They can't even take over a non-nuclear neighboring country. So can we dismiss this stupid argument of >'durr what if they conquer all of europe then they'll be a direct threat to us' Or do I have to go through all the reasons why that won't happen with you? Let's start there.>I also don’t think Russia can conquer Europe right now, but without the US in NATO there’s less of a deterrent for Russia they might see if they can try the Baltics or Moldova So? Not our problem.>or just build up for another 25 years and see if Europe are less united, if the two nuclear powers aren’t willing to umbrella their neighbours. Their problem, not mine. Maybe then they'll pull their heads out of their asses and start funding their military like they actually give a fuck. Maybe Germany will unfuck it's air force for once. Maybe Italy will unfuck the corruption in their Army. Maybe England will stop dismantling their tanks (in before duhur nu tank coming out still in prototype). But if they can't even take their own security seriously, why the fuck should I? Fuck the rest of the world, they can take care of themselves. We've bled enough.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:32:45 No. 1502400 >>1502393 >We've bled enough. Literally the only member of NATO to invoke Article 5, the collective defense cause, is the United States.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:34:22 No. 1502401 >>1502400 This is an argument for not dissolving NATO how?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:34:28 No. 1502402 >>1502393 What has India done for Europe or America? Why do you think your shitty 'bleeding' over border skirmishes with China are relevant to this conversation?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:38:22 No. 1502403 >>1502402 >What has India done for Europe or America? Is India responsible for the defense of Europe?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:39:25 No. 1502404 >>1502403 They're not even responsible for their shitty esl shills>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:42:14 No. 1502405 >>1502404 So what's your point then?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:46:29 No. 1502407 >>1502299 Finally, he can invade Greenland and Canada like he promised the American people.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:49:49 No. 1502408 >>1502405 idk, why do you think you have a say in how Americans and Europeans get on in their defense alliance?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:51:58 No. 1502410 >>1502408 >idk Yeah I know. Anyways...>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)19:53:03 No. 1502413 So Indian shills aside, no one really supports Trump trying to illegally leave NATO Mostly because its a knee-jerk reaction to being forced to clean up his own mess in Iran >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:00:45 No. 1502417 >>1502413 >no one really supports Trump trying to illegally leave NATO Except for people like me who voted for him so he would leave NATO like he promised. Because I'm tired of us spending billions of dollars each year paying for the defense of European nations that hate us, and then using those bases as a midway point to sending troops to 3rd world Arab shitholes so more of us can die fighting for Israel. Not one person here can argue against this stance, which is why the 'esl shill' bot had to be activated now ITT.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:03:04 No. 1502418 >>1502417 wait so it's NATO's fault we keep getting into conflicts in the middle east, even though the only involvement they've had in those was us telling them to help us in them?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:06:08 No. 1502420 >>1502418 Once again, if you read this thread, we use those bases in Europe as a logistical network to project force in the Middle East. Getting rid of those bases means we can't do prolonged, multiple-decades conflict in the Middle East. Also fuck this stupid anime captcha april fools bullshit.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:11:18 No. 1502426 >>1502418 NATO went into Afghanistan and the Libyan civil war>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:14:21 No. 1502427 >>1502418 You're trying to figure out the logic of a crazy person Every Republican president for the last 5 decades has started an unnecessary war in the Middle East, thats what the esl shill is pretending to have voted for Everything they say is just bad chatbot parsing, paid shillposting, and cope>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:14:30 No. 1502428 >>1502420 So yes, you are literally insinuating it is NATO's fault we keep going to war in the middle east. Because apparently the US needs to be treated like a fucking baby that can't handle the cookie jar being visible.>Also fuck this stupid anime captcha april fools bullshit. Tourist.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:16:26 No. 1502430 >>1502420 >Aircraft carriers >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:23:18 No. 1502433 >>1502427 >thats what the esl shill is pretending to have voted for Where did I say that ITT? Which post?>>1502428 >So yes, you are literally insinuating it is NATO's fault we keep going to war in the middle east. No you fucking retard. I'm saying we use those bases.... God damn do I have to talk really slow for you? ... okay we have these things called airplanes... they fly in the air... and they land at these places called air bases... Are you following along so far? Let me know where I confused you.>>1502430 And which aircraft carrier can land a C-17 full of troops? Don't get me wrong, we can definitely use carriers to blow shit up, but a prolonged conflict where we keep rotating soldiers back and forth for 20 years isn't economically feasible with just aircraft carriers. Which means our politicians can't force us into forever wars and expect to win elections.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:24:02 No. 1502434 >>1502417 The argument was already made that NATO is a deterrent against Russian (Soviet formerly) expansion and influence. There are other benefits for the US in being on good terms with those NATO countries, easy trade and the agreed use of the dollar as reserve currency. Yes America was probably spending too much and the allies not enough but coming up with leaving the alliance as a negotiation strategy to get allies to spend their fair share and also threatening to invade allies are dick moves>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:25:23 No. 1502435 >>1502433 both your carriers retreated actually>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:31:25 No. 1502437 >>1502434 >The argument was already made that NATO is a deterrent against Russian (Soviet formerly) expansion and influence. A) shouldn't be our responsibility B) doesn't seem like much of a deterrent C) Isn't necessary for America's safety For reasons I already listed.>There are other benefits for the US in being on good terms with those NATO countries, easy trade and the agreed use of the dollar as reserve currency. We're paying billions of dollars each year just to lease land in Europe to maintain these bases. That doesn't help our economy. Not to mention our economy going to shit, leading to nations looking for alternatives to the dollar - especially with this new conflict going on. And trade? Is that a fucking joke, or did we all just forget Trump's dumbass tariffs? >Yes America was probably spending too much and the allies not enough but coming up with leaving the alliance as a negotiation strategy Stop right there. I'm not advocating for a 'negotiation strategy'. I'm advocating for leaving entirely and not coming back. Washing our hands of all future conflicts that may occur.>and also threatening to invade allies are dick moves Another thing I'm disappointed about Trump.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:31:42 No. 1502438 The shill is literally giving, "You can't have a game with gay romances, you're forcing me to kiss dudes" and everyones trying to tell them, "You choose the buttons you press" >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:32:25 No. 1502440 >>1502435 Which furthers my argument.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:37:01 No. 1502441 >>1502440 It really doesn't, but its another in a long line of good reasons not to vote Republican again>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:40:34 No. 1502442 >>1502441 It really does. Those carriers retreating further demonstrates how they're not a solution for troop movement like >>1502430 implied. And without those air bases in Europe, long-term conflict in the Middle East for the sake of Israel isn't possible.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:44:56 No. 1502443 >>1502442 So America has to cripple itself because aircraft carriers aren't made for troop movement, and the lack of bases in Europe will prevent retarded republican presidents from starting wars in the middle east. Thats your ESL talking point?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:53:23 No. 1502445 >>1502443 >So America has to cripple itself And here we go. I love how you phrased this as if we're 'crippling' ourselves, as if America depends on these pointless wars in the middle east to survive. Whether those bases exist or not, we still maintain the most powerful military in the world, with the most advanced military equipment in existence, capable of striking anywhere in the world. >and the lack of bases in Europe will prevent retarded republican presidents from starting wars in the middle east. This part is actually closer to what I've been saying the whole time. It's not economical to send troops into an endless war with these bases gone. So any conflict we have will actually have to matter to the American public, instead of this arbitrary bombing of desert nations on a whim for the next fifty years. What's amazing to me is how everyone here is arguing against this. You want more of these fucking wars?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)20:58:09 No. 1502446 >>1502445 >>You gotta chop my arms off or I'll rape someone! >...just don't rape anyone? >>No, I can as long as I have these arms, so I will! Just chop them off! Sounds like its a Republican problem, and it can be solved by getting rid of them and not our useful bases.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:01:08 No. 1502447 >>1502413 NATO isn't a democracy, it's wholly voluntary.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:02:34 No. 1502448 >>1502446 >You gotta chop my arms off or I'll rape someone! Again with the crippling analogy that doesn't work. How are we crippling our military? >Sounds like its a Republican problem, Because Obama didn't drone strike anyone, amirite? You're retarded if you think only Republicans will abuse this.>and it can be solved by getting rid of them and not our useful bases. Except they're not useful. Unless you count their 'usefulness' in being a platform to rotate soldiers in and out of the middle east for drawn-out conflicts with no end goal for Israel's sake. And I still can't understand how you, and everyone else here, is supporting these conflicts.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:02:42 No. 1502449 >>1502384 >Russia were to conquer Europe You sound like Israel talking about Iran. Russia conquering europe is impossible. They can hardly combat drones with grenades attached on the bottom.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:03:04 No. 1502450 >>1502445 We're going to fight China in the next decade for control of the entire planet, effectively. These 'fucking wars' are necessary to ensure that America doesn't have to fight China for the next 50 years, but instead can just blockade them, cut off all supplies of oil and food and starve half of them to death before they overthrow their government and capitulate. The alternative is that we try to fight a functional China and the war lasts the next 50 years.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:03:58 No. 1502451 >>1502445 Those carriers cost 200 million to operate a month, each. You only could afford that shit because your currency has reserve status which allowed you to print as much as you need. Watch what happens when all your former partners decide you're a piece of shit that's no longer worth investing in anymore. Your military and a whole lot more than that is about to become unaffordable for the US and its citizens>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:04:25 No. 1502452 >>1502450 >We're >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:05:16 No. 1502453 >>1502452 Yes, we're, as in Americans. Everyone else is irrelevant, nobody cares what they think or have to endure.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:05:55 No. 1502454 >>1502448 Your whole argument is built on facetious concepts, mostly because you're an esl shill arguing in bad faith. Its why you keep getting confused.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:11:40 No. 1502455 >>1502450 Soooooo we need to pay billions of dollars, with our fucked economy, to maintain bases in Europe, and then also spend billions of dollars sending troops from those bases to the middle east to invade Iran... so we'll be in a better position to fight China in another conflict later.... A few problems I can foresee... like having an economy or a not-burnt-out military to fight China with.>>1502451 >Those carriers cost 200 million to operate a month, each. ... yeah, which is why I'm saying they're a bad replacement for air bases. Am I arguing with a thread full of bots? >>1502454 Yup. Definitely a thread full of bots.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:14:23 No. 1502459 >>1502455 >A few problems I can foresee... like having an economy or a not-burnt-out military to fight China with. Thats because the rich control the deep state keeping the money flowing. Those bases in Europe, the supplies the military uses, those all use Made in the USA products that people have built their lives around selling. Its all a scam to steel tax money. But its definitely Trumps fault that Israel has a tape of him fucking kids and getting into this shitshow. It still would have happened, it'd just be more expensive. The bases are actually saving us money at the moment.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:18:46 No. 1502460 >>1502455 You wanted to know how you're crippling your military. Its dangerously close to becoming unaffordable>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:22:06 No. 1502461 >>1502460 >You wanted to know how you're crippling your military. I asked how does shutting down NATO bases cripple our military. It doesn't. >Its dangerously close to becoming unaffordable Know what might help? Shutting down bases in Europe and stop paying billions of dollars each year.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:26:31 No. 1502462 >>1502455 No, we need to go full Empire and just stop paying for shit. Take what we want and dare the rest of the faggots on this planet to do something about it. (They won't.) That's where we're headed. Everything else, the tariffs, the wars, the sanctions, the bullying of potential un-useful non-allies, is leading up to that. Once Russia and China are a non-issue, everyone else can be safely ignored or just given a seat at the table. Europe isn't energy independent, the Middle East isn't food independent, they'll both be easy to control in the post-war order. Africa is simply irrelevant to world affairs, and South America is effectively a US Vassal continent whether they want to be or not. From now on, its the iron claw in the velvet glove. You don't have to bring the war in under budget, Anon. During wartime, all money is infinite, especially if you're America.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:26:54 No. 1502463 >>1502461 >I asked how does shutting down NATO bases cripple our military. It doesn't. Imagine spending the last few decades establishing an unparalleled military access around the world and then just deciding "nah I don't want it" and throwing it out.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:29:55 No. 1502464 >>1502463 >what do you MEAN you don't want to fight wars on our behalf, what do you MEAN? >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:30:50 No. 1502465 >>1502463 And what did we use that military access around the world for? So we can send our military into conflicts we shouldn't be in. >>1502462 >During wartime, all money is infinite, Yeah that stance didn't work out too well for Spain when they tried to invade the British a few centuries ago. Turns out economy is vital.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:39:02 No. 1502466 Trump would never impregNATO, the alliance is 76 years old >>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:43:14 No. 1502468 >>1502465 maybe the issue isn't NATO specifically and more our grotesquely overbloated military budget.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:47:08 No. 1502469 >>1502461 >He thinks closing a couple of bases will foot the bill of America's military LMAO 7% of our defense budget is spent on those bases. Its okay, when you're forced to sell half your carriers I'm sure Iran and China will I'll buy a couple, they're gonna become the new guarantees of maritime security and you won't need a navy any more>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:48:25 No. 1502470 >>1502468 And a major component of that is our endless wars in the middle east, which our government justifies funding overbloated defense contractors for. If only there was a way to get us out of those wars and keep us out of that region. Gee I wonder if anyone came up with a solution... Perhaps closing bases we use to rotate troops?>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)21:49:35 No. 1502471 >>1502465 The economy is going to have to be nationalized. The people who are in charge of major corporate interests now are too willing to sell out the United States to protect their profit margins. We're headed for full fash, mark my words.>>1502468 >>1502469 We're going to war, you absolute mongoloids. Nobody is ramping down the defense budget at any point in the next 200 years. First we're going to have to fight WW3 and then we're going to have to police and patrol literally the entire world. If anything, we're about to start spending even more on military procurement.>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)23:05:26 No. 1502481 >>1502470 >us you're supposed to have an organic argument that leads up to your shill point not just fart it out in every post>>
Anonymous 04/01/26(Wed)23:06:45 No. 1502482 >>1502471 >We're going to war A war no one wants except for the most insane conservatives. And now to fund it Republicans are going to steal from Americans. Good luck with this one.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)02:37:31 No. 1502509 >>1502299 Doesnt Drumpf have to have a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate to do such a thing? He is just blowing out his arse, as usual. he isnt a king.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)02:39:24 No. 1502510 >>1502314 Attacked after spending the last 60 years slowly annexing another country and murdering it's brave defenders, you mean.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)03:08:52 No. 1502511 >>1502471 Your mom is going to have to be nationalized.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)03:29:43 No. 1502514 >>1502466 underrated>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)03:38:33 No. 1502516 >>1502449 If you think Ukraine can hold Russia out on its own you’re an idiot. Europe are paying for this war and it’d be better if Russia just didn’t attack their neighbours constantly trying to expand. In the comparative scenario Israel who always attacks their neighbours and is constantly expanding is equivalent to Russia, not Russia with Iran (who have not attacked any of their neighbours unprovoked in 47 years)>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)03:41:43 No. 1502517 >>1502450 You’re retarded this isn’t vidya you aren’t writing some alternative history. China has zero interest in a war with the US, what would they fight over anyway? Explain the motivation>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)06:15:35 No. 1502522 >>1502516 >it’d be better if Russia just didn’t attack their neighbours constantly trying to expand. That's not reality and what Europeans refuse to understand. Russia will attack and annex its neighbors if it thinks it can get away with it. European reliance on Russian energy funds Russian aggression. Europeans fund the Russian problem and refuse to show a willingness to defend themselves from the Russian aggression that they empower.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)06:17:18 No. 1502523 >>1502517 China has extreme interest in worldwide fishing to feed their population with cheap protien. Their entire south china sea expansion is about exclusive fishing rights.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)07:53:28 No. 1502543 DONT PULL OUT OF NATO BREED IT DEEP >>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)07:55:29 No. 1502545 >>1502523 No it isn't. Their efforts in that area are focused around countering the first and second chain. Has nothing to do with food. You are uneducated or lying and I don't care which. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain >>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)08:05:34 No. 1502556 >>1502523 Hey, let's just keep the conversation on evil white/orange men OK?>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)09:05:44 No. 1502597 >>1502509 There's a pattern of him not being able to follow through when describing what he's going to do using rape metaphors. Politics is not as easy as raping child sex slaves on Epstein Island.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)09:07:52 No. 1502598 >>1502597 >Trump hurt kids Proof?>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)10:41:59 No. 1502600 >>1502522 >Russia will attack and annex its neighbors if it thinks it can get away with it. Yeah which is why there needs to be a deterrent which is what NATO is. Join NATO and likelihood of Russia attacking you is significantly decreased, obviously Georgia and Ukraine aren’t in NATO and do border Russia>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)10:43:04 No. 1502601 >>1502523 Even if this was true it’s no reason for war with the US>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)10:48:01 No. 1502605 >>1502598 Ask /pol/ given epstein created their board and he raped kids along with trump.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)11:13:04 No. 1502612 >>1502605 Epstein had nothing to do with /pol/. moot said he met Epstein once only and it was after /pol/ had already launched>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)11:58:25 No. 1502631 >>1502612 /pol/ was launched the day after moot met Epstein.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)12:04:21 No. 1502633 >>1502631 So you're telling me Epstein created a board for Nazi's? If so, how is that relevant? I think this is a fantasy and lliggerals are stealing all our shit again. 'Member when some were pretty sure Maxwell was a high level Reddit mod? Seems familiar.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:15:43 No. 1502651 >>1502633 >If so, how is that relevant? NTA but zionism is predicated on outside oppression which justifies the creation of a jewish state. Without antisemitism jews just become another off-white ethnic demographic and zionism cannot exist, and jewish racial consciousness would eventually dissolve into nothing. Doesn't change the fact that Trump and Epstein rode together all across the US on the Lolita Express.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:23:49 No. 1502655 >>1502651 There's a number of things that don't change that. Like Epstein and Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, and his donations to Schumer. Trying to pin Epstein on Trump, the person who finally had him and Maxwell held accountable, is probably some coverup.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:27:22 No. 1502656 >>1502655 and don't forget hunter's penis shill anon>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:30:35 No. 1502657 >>1502656 True, but it was amazing how well his massive cock was hidden by the media. Not to mention the inferences that the "big guy" was whoring him out for a cut of the money.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:32:08 No. 1502658 >>1502631 moot isn’t lying but you are>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:35:56 No. 1502659 >>1502657 you mean hunter biden was being extorted by his own penis?>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:38:42 No. 1502662 >>1502659 Worse. His huge cock was being exploited by his father. But Biden did keep Hunter in Meth and paid for his whores, so in the end, I suppose he's a somewhat good father.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:41:06 No. 1502665 >>1502662 now this is the homosexually suffused russian propaganda i yearn for>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:43:16 No. 1502667 >>1502662 If only Hunter had fucked kids, then he could have been president instead of Trump>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:43:22 No. 1502668 >>1502665 >Russian Biden was working with Ukrainian oligarchs to whore his son out. Biden told Putin to attack Ukraine to eliminate the evidence of his corruption.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:44:58 No. 1502671 >>1502667 I know. It's too bad Trump put Epstein in prison. President Hunter Biden's Penis would've probably done a better job than Kamala.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:45:34 No. 1502672 >>1502668 see >>1502618 so you're literally a russia shill? thanks for letting us know chief>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:45:55 No. 1502674 >>1502671 No, Kamala wouldn't have raped any kids either. That seems to be a Republicunt trait, raping kids and starting unnecessary wars in the middle east>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:47:19 No. 1502675 >>1502674 >No, Kamala wouldn't have raped any kids either. What makes you so certain? Pretty sure Bill raped kids.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:48:58 No. 1502676 >>1502675 bill certainly loved whores, but it's not like he talked about wanting to fuck his own daughter or had a beauty pageant for children, anon>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:49:20 No. 1502677 >>1502675 Everyone knows about Bill Burrs connection with Epstein. So the fact that he was Trumps AG that oversaw Epstein being assassinated in prison just points towards Trump raping kids and killing his friend to hide it. Why bring up Bill Burr?>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:50:51 No. 1502678 >>1502675 >>1502676 >>1502677 Anon, you seem angry.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:51:45 No. 1502679 is anyone surprised that this thread about NATO has been hijacked by debunked russian talking points >>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)13:55:47 No. 1502684 >>1502679 they're barely shill points, its just zoomers publicly humiliating themselves and pretending it makes libs mad Just keep encouraging them and throwing out enough bread crumbs that they don't realize we're making fun of them>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)14:02:48 No. 1502689 >>1502684 To be fair, everything but total compliance makes "libs" mad. That's why owning the "libs" is good policy.>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)14:04:13 No. 1502691 >just keep lying bro >>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)14:19:17 No. 1502698 >>1502691 it is what esl shill is paid to do after all>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)14:24:15 No. 1502700 >>1502605 Source?>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)15:07:02 No. 1502733 >>1502698 you're projecting again, esl shill>>
Anonymous 04/02/26(Thu)17:36:27 No. 1502812 >>1502733 You're poopjecting again Indian shill.>>
Anonymous 04/03/26(Fri)02:24:46 No. 1502957 >>1502386 Religious fanatics don't tend to do strategy. When God tells them they can do something, they do it.>>
Anonymous 04/03/26(Fri)06:20:48 No. 1502976 >>1502598 The fact that he's covering up the files despite running on a platform of releasing them.
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