The clause went largely unnoticed until it was spotted by Frankfurter Rundschau, a Left-leaning newspaper, which said it would cause uncertainty for millions of men.

German defence officials insisted that, in practice, the permits would always be granted during peacetime and also suggested that the rule would be watered down with exemptions in the near future.

An army spokesman said: “The background and guiding principle of this regulation is to ensure a reliable and informative military register for when needed ... in case of emergency, we need to know who might be staying abroad for an extended period.”

Germany’s new military service model was introduced to counter a severe shortage in troop numbers and is a modernised version of an unpopular conscription model that ended in 2010.

Friedrich Merz, the chancellor, has a wider goal of transforming Germany into a major European security power with what he hopes will become “the strongest conventional army in Europe”.

Germany has also pledged to spend €153bn (£133bn) or 3.5 per cent of annual GDP on defence by 2029 as part of a long-term goal of meeting a 5 per cent Nato target.

While military service is not compulsory yet, the new legislation allows German ministers to conscript men of fighting age at a later date if they are unable to meet recruitment targets.

German law previously had a similar clause on exit permits for long trips abroad, which said they would only be required during a security emergency, such as imminent or ongoing war.

But the reforms on military service in January changed the rule to apply more generally, meaning that any German man aged between 17 and 45 needs to inform the Bundeswehr if they want a long holiday or to work abroad.

Details of what would happen if a German left without seeking a permit are unclear.

It has also been speculated that the rule was passed by accident, as it risks creating a major bureaucracy burden for the German armed forces.

Germany’s defence ministry acknowledged this and said it was “developing more specific regulations for granting exceptions to the approval requirement in order to avoid unnecessary bureaucracy”

Many German grannys were raped by several Russian soldiers when East Berlin was "liberated" in 1946.

A lot of German people now have typical Slavic broad faced facial characteristics.

The Germans could use an influx of more Slavic blood, to counteract the Middle Eastern semitic semen that's been flowing around recently.

Do they mean german citizens specifically or migrants?

I thought military service was compulsory with an option to do community health service instead, like aged care, for pacifists or medical students

>>1503770
>>1503795
This shit is being blown way out of proportions by the media yet again. This is basically just a legal framework that has been in place in Germany for most of the Cold War and has been put back into place for obvious reasons.
Basically if you want to leave the country for more than 3 months, you need to ask the military. If you don't, nobody will really care, if you do, they'll just allow you to leave.
This is pretty much only relevant in wartime.
>>1503796
It has been that way up until 2010, since then it has been put on hold and is now slowly being reactivated.

>>1503804
>up until 2010
I haven’t been paying attention. Anyway, I think it was fine how it was before and it’s fine if they bring it back and the break probably hasn’t had any devastating impact on the nation.
The Americans will of course get worked up over it, understandable since they need some distractions

>>1503804
>>1503806
Pick up that can

>>1503806
Well the main problem is that a society that has been very pacifistic and anti-military for a long time is suddenly confronted with a world in which wars of aggression/expansion seem to be the norm for certain nations again. And understandably, many react with denial, pretending like we still live in the early 2000s where war is some far away evil and we can just diplomacy our way out of any conflict.
Add to that that trust in the government in general (regardless who happens to have one the latest election) is declining. So you often hear shit like "Why should I go into the trenches for the business interests of rich politicians, who have done nothing for me", which is an infuriatingly infantile view of the world, but also kinda understandable. And the government being out of touch and bad at communicating to its citizens, doesn't help.
And as you can imagine pro-Russian elements and other groups aligning with those kinds of interests are very eager to fan these flames.

>>1503770
That’s insane.
>>1503804
>for obvious reasons
What reasons? The shit people defend is so insane. If you aren’t yourself one of the politicans who passed this, defending it is absolutely pants on head retarded.

>>1503814
>not wanting to die in a pointless war is infantile
Do the mature thing then and kill your self!

>>1503816
>pants on head retarded
No? It's logical.
The USA cannot be trusted to police the world anymore. They need men for a standing army.

>>1503816
As I said, from my understanding this functionally changes nothing. It's only relevant if there is a war in the future and it makes sense to prepare for the worst case scenario sooner, instead of later.
>>1503817
Can't tell if you're lacking reading comprehension or I just worded it poorly.
What's infantile is not understanding that the whole point of having a strong military and reserve is that you don't have to fight any wars in the first place.
Also if you think a war to defend your home, friends and family is pointless, I guess I can't convince you otherwise.

>>1503819
I feel like a lot of people who oppose a pointless war of aggression would be more likely to take up arms if America actually was invaded.
Nobody wants to die for Israel

>>1503819
The only people threatening our homes, friends, and families are the people running our own countries. A Chinaman won’t come evict you if you fail to pay your mortgage. Russians are extorting you over medical bills. Your defense and acceptance of wartime nonsense is exactly what is intended so you stop focusing on the people who are actually hurting you and prepare to fight random people across the world on their behalf.

>>1503822
NTA but you're right.
The 2A is really useful because it means that we don't need to be physically distributed firearms in case of a national emergency. Gun culture also ensures that we're trained on how to service and use them from an early age.
Germany doesn't have that though. They're unironically scared of Russia invading them.

>>1503822
>if America actually was invaded
That's the sentiment I've heard from multiple friends in Ukraine. Your opinions on pacifism can change quite drastically, once your neighbor's house gets hit by a cruise missile. Problem is, at that point it's already too late. I wish people wouldn't be so daft and call it warmongering when the government is trying to build up a credible deterrent.
>>1503823
Two things can be true at the same time, anon.
I can point out the the failings of capitalism, wealth inequality and whatever other systematic problems the country might have, while simultaneously acknowledging that Russia is a threat to Europe and is actively undermining our countries.
>extorting you over medical bills
Neither are the people who run the country, though. I think the most I've ever paid for medical related expenses was 50 bucks for an arm-brace.
>prepare to fight random people across the world on their behalf
The Russia-NATO border is 500km from here, my guy.
>>1503824
>They're unironically scared of Russia invading them
That's the ironic part, we (as a society) are not. Many people seem to be ignorant on the topic and think because we don't have a border with Russia, there's nothing to worry about.
I often joke about how we're lucky, that we have Poland between us and Belarus, instead of another Germany.

>>1503770
>German men must ask army for permission to leave country
Are people going to pretend you can't leave the US without asking permission

>>1503824
I'd be more worried about trump implementing the same policies as Germany and then open conscription because sure America has a shitload of gun fetishists, but a vast majority of them are blindly loyal to trump so they'd be used to crack down on everyone who protests against being used as fodder for whatever country trump attacks next to enrich himself and the epstein class.

>>1503826
The idea that Russia is a threat to anyone is a joke. If they wanted to bomb Europe they would have done it when they were the still the Soviet Union and had some real power. Russia is a boogeyman used to justify rampant unnecessary military spending and the restriction of our human rights. Your justification of it is essential and it could not happen without people like you accepting it due to your fear.

>>1503827
You can walk right across the US Mexico border as long as you’re headed to the Mexico side

>Germ shitting bricks from reading his laws for the first time

>>1503770
They started deporting people as soon as the draft was brought up, that's insane

>>1503831
The NATO alliance was a deterrent to the Soviets. The NATO alliance still is a deterrent to the Russians. It doesn’t matter if Russia wants to invade anyone the point of NATO is that if Russia did attack a NATO member they’d be attacking all of them, today it means a small country like Estonia, which the Russians probably could take over in three days, is far less likely to be attacked by Russia because it would mean a big war with all of NATO rather than a short war with a small country. That’s how it’s a deterrent and so long as the bigger countries in NATO like Germany and France, the UK, even Canada and Sweden are all going to have formidable military capabilities the deterrence will work because for Russia they’d have to defeat all of those countries altogether

>>1503850
The other NATO members are building up incase the US leaves the alliance, that and also Russia invading the neighbours.

>>1503831
>The idea that Russia is a threat to anyone is a joke
He says while Russia is currently invading and occupying a European country and waging hybrid warfare against many others.
>If they wanted to bomb Europe they would have done it when they were the still the Soviet Union
Okay this is genuinely funny. That's such a paradox mapgame brained view of history. A country isn't a conscious entity with a singular goal, anon.
>Russia is a boogeyman used to justify rampant unnecessary military spending and the restriction of our human rights
You know, I would have actually agreed with you if you told me this in 2013, or probably even up to 2021. But looking at the current state of the world and saying that Russia is just a boogeyman is ridiculous.
Plus even if you were right, what's wrong with making preparations for a worst case scenario? You're painting this picture in which the Bundeswehr is going to fight some US style adventure in the Middle East with its conscripts, which is just silly.
Also just in case you'll bring it up, because people constantly do: No, Russia being bogged down in Ukraine does not mean Europe is safe from attack, in fact it makes escalation into Europe even more likely. They don't have to punch through the Fulda gab with an armored spearhead, just cause some plausibly deniable trouble with little green men or some drone incursions to undermine European unity.

Are you parroting Russian propaganda verbatim on purpose, or are you just actually that dumb and/or gullible?

>>1503854
NTA, Russia invaded Georgia in 2008

>>1503770
more glorious male privilege. German women are almost as oppressed as Ukrainian women now

>>1503856
I know I know, and Chechnya before that.
But that was "far away" and I was much younger, so it was easier to be naïve about it.
So yeah, for me it took until 2022 to realize that maybe the Russian victim narrative might be a bit over exaggerated, as silly as that sounds in hindsight.

>>1503858
I think we were all trying to get along with Russia after communism fell, I remember seeing some Russian forest berry juice, blueberry or cranberry something like that in a carton, in a supermarket in the early 00’s and buying it because it was Russian and I thought that’s cool we are trading with them now

>>1503868
Hell, my parents are Russian expats, I was quite happy that apparently we were trying to get a long with the country that I have some roots in.
That's why it's so hard to buy the Russian sob story of everyone being out to get them. Even NATO signed some treaties on cooperation with NATO and there were even some joint military exercises with Russia and NATO before 2014.

>Foreigners should stay out of our country
>No, not like that!
Make up your mind, Amerilards.

>>1503826
I don’t think Ukraine is an applicable comparison to what the US is doing since we attacked Iran first.
Iran was never a threat to me and neither is any other country. America is not going to be invaded, but I do think anyone that voted for Trump deserves to be drafted when it comes to that

>>1503897
I think you might be misunderstanding what I mean and/or I misunderstood you and we're talking past each other. I'm saying that many of the alleged anti-military pacifists would probably change their mind, once they actually get attacked. But also that that's little solace since the point of rearmament is to deter any attack to happen in the first place.
I'm coming at this as a European citizen in a European context.
The US invasion if Iran is an absolute disaster of a clownshow that anyone with two braincells to rub together should condemn.

>>1503897
Depends how long the war goes on. I agree America was not going to be invaded before the war started but if this goes on for years or decades and Iran can gradually project force then don’t just think it’s impossible. It’s a complicated process, and you need to be aware that this is the first war the US has had since 1945 where the enemy has been able to deny naval access which means it’s not going to be easy to land troops and move war machinery in. American has had to pull back from their Gulf bases because Iran can strike them with impunity, they’ve never had to do that so early in a war

>>1503854
A failed state waging an endless failed war multiple countries away from you doesn’t justify the restriction of your personal rights. Doesn’t matter how scared you feel anon.

>>1503854
By the way the Russians want you to be afraid so you fuck up your country with shitty policies and delete all your rights. That’s their “propaganda”. They have no interest in getting online and telling you to not be afraid, or to stand up for your personal liberties lol.

>>1503897
Look up who funds and arms the Houthis

>>1503921
Houthis began targeting Israel during the ongoing Gaza genocide. I am not sure if they targeted American shipping before the US and UK started attacking them, so whether the US and UK went on the attack solely to defend Israel or whether there was some non-Israeli shipping targeted by the Houthis. To answer your question it’s Iran, I just wanted to put the order of events in context and that if Iran can be attacked by America because they support a proxy that America has issue with then so too can the Houthis attack America because they have issues with an American proxy (Israel)

>>1503937
The houthis didn't target Israeli shipping, they targeted everyone even Russians and Chinese, while claiming they would only attack Israel for deniability

>>1503938
Didn’t the Russians and Chinese tend to get a bye, even if it was inconsistent?

>>1503804
You are either genuine bootlicker or you are legit shill.
Ether way govt is not entitled for germans to fight for it, there simply no valid reason

>>1503937
Israel isn’t our proxy, we’re Israel’s proxy

>>1503818
>They need men
then they're options are to either show men the appreciation they deserve for sacrificing themselves to protect women, or fuck off and die. We're done with your simp shit of
>but I'm just a lowly male, of course my life is meaningless and of course the government should enslave me and send me to the meat grinder for the superior sex
Fuck off, kys if you think your life is so worthless.

>>1504012
You're a man, anon. You have a biological imperative to defend your tribe. Stop being a pussy.

>>1504013
then I also have a biological right to rape women and sissy little beta bitchbois like you. So bend over and be my boipussy.

>>1504021
>He says because deep down he knows he will never have a consensual relationship with a woman

>>1504023
but I will have a relationship with your beta bitch boipussy whether it's consensual or not.