>>1504706

If a judge agrees Brown is incompetent to stand trial, state law mandates the charges be dismissed. However, if the judge issues the ruling without prejudice, state murder charges could be refiled if he ever regains his capacity to be tried.

A similar situation happened in the Tar Heel State in 2020 when murder charges were dismissed without prejudice against Buford James Penley after he was determined to be incompetent by multiple psychologists, including one who worked for the DA’s office.

Under North Carolina law, a defendant is deemed capable to proceed to trial if they can understand the nature and object of the proceedings, comprehend his or her situation in reference to the proceedings, and assist in his or her defense in a rational or reasonable manner.

Brown has been in federal custody in Chicago since a grand jury indicted him on Oct. 22 for violence against a railroad carrier and mass transportation system causing death. He faces state charges of first-degree murder.

He’s been ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation pursuant to his federal case, but court filings viewed by the outlet last month show it hasn’t been completed and that the evaluation period has been extended.

The outlet reports that restoring competency can take a long time in North Carolina because of limited space in state psychiatric facilities, and said it’s not uncommon for defendants to wait a year or more for a bed to open up.

Brown, 35, whose mother told The Post is schizophrenic, was arrested at least 14 times in North Carolina for crimes ranging from assault and firearms possession to felony robbery dating back to 2007.

At the time of the senseless attack in late August, he was free on cashless bail after a magistrate released him with a “written promise” to show up for court after placing a bogus 911 call.

>>1504708

The horrifying caught-on-camera slaying became national news, and prompted President Trump to call for Brown to face the death penalty on federal murder charges.

Two months after the attack, North Carolina Gov. Josh Stein signed “Iryna’s Law,” which prevents cashless bail for some violent crimes and repeat offenders and improves checks on criminals released on bail.

In the video, Brown is seen seated on the train before Zarutska boards and unknowingly takes the seat in front of him, her blonde locks tucked beneath a black baseball cap from Zepeddie’s Pizza, part of her work uniform.

As she busies herself with her phone, completely unaware of the danger lurking inches behind her, Brown unfolds a pocket knife before looming over her and brutally stabbing her several times in the neck in the cowardly sneak attack.

Zarutska’s face contorted into a haunting look of horror as she bled out on the train. Bystanders barely seemed to notice the horrifying scene — and no one stepped up to render aid.

After the stabbing, Brown can be seen meandering through the Lynx Blue Line train as a trail of blood drops forms behind him. He was arrested at the scene a short time later.

During a welfare check last January, Brown asked cops to investigate a “man-made material” inside his body that was controlling his actions, according to an affidavit obtained by the Charlotte Observer.

Insane people aren’t responsible for their own actions

>>1504706
Yeah no shit. I called this repeatedly; the dude killed her because he thought she put bugs in his skin to mind control him. He was literally a homeless schizophrenic; there was no way he was ever going to be competent to stand trial.

>>1504716
Why are they allowed onto public transit?
Why are they allowed to murder people on public transit?

>>1504718
Solving the murder problem in America would be extremely racist unironically. If you removed black people from the interior, violent crimes would get cut in half on a national level.

Not competent to stand trial doesn't mean he goes scott free. He's institutionalized, the doctors there try to make him competent, they test him again, and if he isn't still, they hold him, force treatment on him again and retest until he's deemed competent. If that never happens he's just institutionalized in a psych ward forever, which is in many ways worse than prison. The article is ragebait that relies on people not understanding how the system works or only read headlines without digging further.

>>1504721
yeah like holy shit. He'll be institutionalized for the rest of his life. That's arguably worse than a prison sentence.

>>1504718
>whoa hold on, you didn't pass the violent schizophrenia detector when you got onto this public transportation

>>1504718
>why does america let retards get on the bus
>i wish my country did that, I want to get on the bus too

>>1504721
The killer has been arrested and released fourteen times.
Internet sleuths found out the judge who released him this last time (Teresa Stokes) was running side-hustles to profit from repeat offenders. Her businesses included
>Second Chance Services
>Wing Heaven Sports Haven, LLC
>Pinnacle Recovery Services, LLC
https://archive.is/DTh6q

>>1504718
>Why are they allowed to murder people on public transit?
Considering he got immediately arrested and is now likely going to spend the rest of his life in a mental institution, they aren't actually.

>>1504727
Did he murder anyone those previous times?

>>1504727
So we're at the phase where Republicunts complain about people abusing the corrupt system that Republicunts created.
Wowzers

Well, feel free to complain in your propaganda thread, Trumps dementia will probably lead to a blue wave so we can start fixing your mess soon.

>>1504729
Previous articles show he was charged with felony larceny, robbery with a dangerous weapon, assault, shoplifting and making threats.

>>1504732
So no murders.

>>1504735
also no pedophilia

>>1504735
I don't think anybody would disagree that he's a dangerous criminal anon.

>>1504737
Sorry, prisons too full of small time drug offenders who have a minimum sentence requirement. Maybe deal with that first.

>>1504741
cant do it, if we don't clog up our justice system with fake crimes we may start looking at prosecuting white collar crime

>>1504741
Every time the US tries this the left conducts massive race riots.
Almost like a legal system based off english common law is working correctly or something.

>>1504744
>>1504741
Or maybe the left should just keep their pet blacks on a tighter leash instead of coddling them like they're innocent babies who can't control themselves or don't know any better? Stop making excuses for black criminality, stop giving them slaps on the wrists for repeat offenders, and stop fighting for reforms that defend America's prisons and police, and maybe we can go back to being a country that isn't completely lawless

>>1504746
Crime is a part of black culture anon. They're being punished for living in a system that was originally designed for white colonialists.

>>1504746
>Defend
Defund*

>>1504727
Somebody should inform President Trump of such blatant corruption

>>1504746
There’d unironically be zero crime if the blacks were paid the reparations owed them after the civil war

>>1504746
>>1504747
Who indoctrinated you people?

>You can't punish criminals
>AIEEEEEE BLACK MAN STABBED SOMEONE ON A BUS WHY WASN'T HE PUNISHED HELP US DEMS
Why should anyone take conservatives seriously at all? lmao

>>1504755
They don't care if people take them seriously. They're going to kneejerk either way.

>>1504745
>Every time the US tries this the left conducts massive race riots.
When the fuck have the left protested lessening drug offenses?

>>1504758
Everytime the left has thrown a race riot.
It tends to coincide with when the shill gets high

What the fuck do you mean that the obviously crazy person is obviously crazy and the stabbing wasn't a hate crime?!?

>>1504761
>crimes only crime when black people do it
>no, i'm serious, i'm tough on crime!
It'd be pathetic if you were American, so its a good thing you're a retarded esl shill

>>1504723
>He'll be institutionalized for the rest of his life
Schizophrenia is treatable. He could pretty conceivably be released. He could then stand trial, but as long as he wasn't found to have acted with deliberate negligence in terms of controlling his illness, he's got a pretty rock solid defense.

The moral of the story is that institutional failures are bad actually and people should have access to medical care they need and when someone stops getting care they need, someone should be there to make sure they aren't in trouble. This guy had multiple run-ins with the cops before this and they never got him in treatment and our fucked healthcare system couldn't have cared less about him.

The system murdered his victim.

>>1504763
The problem is most right-wing nutjobs can realize this, but pivot to, "Well, we should just euthanize all the crazies/nutjobs"

But then they have to figure out how to identify those people, and realize that they inevitably fall into that category, as do most Republicunt pols

So they just short circuit and revert back to comfortable racism, which doesn't solve any problems but generally lets them cope and pretend they're not the problem.

>>1504724
If they are not responsible for their own actions, why do we expose them to other people who can die as a result of their actions? Who will not get any justice, as their murderer will be found not responsible for their death
We should put all these people who aren't responsible and kill people around them into an institution

>>1504767
Euthanasia of the mentally unsound (or whatever) isn’t conservative. Anyone suggesting that isn’t a conservative

>>1504769
We don’t, he will be institutionalised and kept safe from harming others

>>1504735
Robbery with a dangerous weapon was life threatening
It could have turned into a murder very easily. He is a convicted murderer

>>1504771
But he wasn't in an institution. That was why he was able to murder Iryna Zarutska after being arrested 14 previous times.
And he's been found incapable to proceed, because he was not competent to stand trial.
He was incompetent the day before he murderered Iryna Zarutska, and he was not in any institution
If he was not competent and cannot be held responsible for his actions, why did we release him 14 times? Why didn't we keep him locked up?

>>1504767
>comfortable racism
It happened in North Carolina ffs. There are probably guys wearing actual confederate uniforms planning how they can lynch the black man who murdered the white woman.

>>1504772
No retard that’s not how the law works. Murder requires intention, and a dangerous weapon isn’t the same as a lethal weapon, it could’ve been a butter knife or a screwdriver not necessarily something that’s easy to kill with like a gun. You’ve probably seen how he killed her it was from behind and element of surprise, usually armed robbery is not the same way

>>1504773
He hadn’t murdered anyone or tried to murder anyone and nobody thought he was going to murder anyone. Not every incompetent is a murderer. I agree that he was clearly dangerous and shouldn’t be allowed out on the loose like that and probably that’s something that needs to be addressed but we also don’t want to snap it back too far the other way

>>1504773
>we

>>1504775
>>1504776
14 Prior Arrests: Brown’s criminal record includes 14 arrests in Mecklenburg County dating back to 2011.
Felony Convictions: He has three felony convictions, including felony larceny in 2011 and armed robbery in 2014.
Incarceration: He was in state prison from 2015 to September 2020 following the 2014 armed robbery conviction.
Violent History: Arrests include Assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, breaking and entering, and assault on his sister.

>>1504781
So why didn't you stop him?
You basically murdered that girl if you let him out on the streets. You should be in jail too.

>>1504783
You're right. I should organize a crowd to lynch him.
Or is that the kind of joke that will get me arrested for making? I'm not serious federal agents

>>1504784
Openly plotting to murder someone? You really should be in jail.
Seriously, you're useless both on and off the internet. Of course people would die around you.

>>1504781
He should’ve never been in prison either

>>1504706
Is this the one where the guy actually called authorities cause he was scared he was going to hurt someone? I feel bad for him tbh, schizos like him are unfit for society and should be forcibly institutionalized before they cause irreversible harm to themselves or others.

I think patients this ill should be put down. There is no real way to rehabilitate this. EVEN IF somehow they can drug and medicate him to "become sane", he would likely feel extremely guilty about what he did, which wouldn't make anyone happy. I don't think we should pay to house, feed, and medicate someone like this, the violence is beyond cruel and even if they're "not right in the head" I just think that should be an immediate death penalty. It would make the world feel better about a young woman being murdered and it would ensure this guy doesnt kill the orderlies in whatever institution he ends up in. Also ensures IF he somehow regained his mind, he wouldnt feel immense guilt. It's a win win in every single way. Any debaters?

>>1504789
Well, we'd have to kill pedophiles too
And Republicans are always tetchy about any policy that involves killing that many Republican leaders.

>>1504790
Why?
Why would killing murderers automatically mean we would have to kill pedophiles?

>>1504793
Mostly because you're a retarded ESL shill that doesn't understand America and thinks fucking kids is okay

>>1504758
The whole 'systemic racism' talking point is based on the idea that blacks get punished too harshly for minor crimes.
Remember Rodney King? His crime was driving while coked out of his mind and resisting arrest.

>>1504751
I listened to Tupac, Biggie and Ice Cube growing up.

>>1504795
>The whole 'systemic racism' talking point is based on the idea that blacks get punished too harshly for minor crimes
That's not the systemic racism talking point

>>1504794
It seemed like whataboutism to me
You responded to "I think patients this ill should be put down." with "What about republicans are pedos?"

>>1504761
He said 'got dat white gurl' as he walked off the bus.

>>1504798
Weird, because the shill was clearly stating that they didn't see pedophilia as an illness.

Mostly because shit like this is working backwards from a crime to justify racism. Its why Conservative justice talk only works on low IQ morons

>>1504797
>Systemic racism is the normalization of policies, practices, and cultural norms across societal institutions—such as housing, education, healthcare, and criminal justice—that collectively uphold a racial hierarchy and produce inequitable outcomes for people of color.
Google disagrees with you.

>>1504789
>>1504798
Its so weird listening to how comfortable Americans have become essentially adopting the social values of backwards African warlords. I can't imagine how disillusioned of living in a civilized first world nation you have to begin unironically desiring your government to start modeling medieval France.

>>1504790
Well, the issue with pedos and rapists. While I agree both should be executed when we have 100% proof without a shadow of doubt, I'm talking DNA, eye witness, and undeniable footage here, not just he/she said it happened. You run the risk of those people just killing their victims. It's harder to prove those things happened if there is no body or living victim who might identify you. You also have the republicans, like you said, not wanting that. However, mental people like this are hated by republicans usually. I'm not talking all mental people, just the ones who commit violent crimes or are repeat offenders like this guy was. There comes a point where you can't help or rehabilitate someone, and even THEY are better off dead. What kind of life is it where someone has to be so heavily medicated that they no longer believe there are bugs under their skin.

I dunno, I just feel like it might sound cruel, but it's better for every single person who would be involved with the too far gone mental people to such a degree.

>>1504801
>Google disagrees with you.
Is that where you get your holistic understanding of complicated sociological issues? AI summaries from Google? Also, the sentence you just posted is vastly more detailed than "blacks are punished too harshly". Housing, education and healthcare have nothing to do with blacks being punished too harshly for anything.

I'll never understand people who feel super strongly about topics they've clearly done absolutely no research in. I can't imagine letting myself become ideologically captured in such a dumbfuck way.

>>1504803
>Well, the issue with pedos and rapists. While I agree both should be executed when we have 100% proof without a shadow of doubt, I'm talking DNA, eye witness, and undeniable footage here, not just he/she said it happened. You run the risk of those people just killing their victims. It's harder to prove those things happened if there is no body or living victim who might identify you
Its also true that in places where pedos and rapists are encouraged more to seek mental health intervention its easier to keep track of them in clinical settings i.e. we know who they are, where they live and what their predilections are. When they know that the punishment for their crimes are death that's when they burrow underground and create hidden, complicated networks of fellow offenders to produce and enable each other to spread content. If non-offending pedos and rapists feel comfortable reaching out to therapists/psychiatrists then its so much easier to keep track of their whereabouts. The alternative is endlessly hunting the dark web for people who keep their predilections secret because they know if anyone finds out they'd be slaughtered.

>>1504800
It seems like equivocating a murderer with a pedophile.

>>1504805
You haven't presented a contravening argument, only a pouty 'nuh-uh' followed by tut-tutting on something you refuse to elaborate on.

>>1504796
Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lydlE9y25BY

>>1504807
>I need to argue for this problem in a vacuum because if we look at it holistically its clear I'm a retarded esl shill
we know

>>1504803
>I'm not talking all mental people, just the ones who commit violent crimes or are repeat offenders like this guy was.
That would require leftists to acknowledge that people can be born with evil natures, but they will never do that, because that would mean that everybody isn't the same and equal.

>>1504812
Who are the leftists in the situation?

>>1504809
>You haven't presented a contravening argument
Its not so much contravening as it is massively expounding. Its vague to the point of absurdity. People being "punished too harshly" for crimes is like 1/100th of the concept of systemic racism. The basics of systemic racism is that inequitable outcomes can be produced regardless of individual actors, hence the term "systemic". Meaning that a lot of these systems including criminal justice and education were created a long, long time ago, long before any of us were alive. For example, if a blacks only school was created in a shitty neighborhood in the 1920s and none of the students were allowed to go to the nicer school in the nice part of town and no state funds ever went to that school to improve it then the black descendants of that family who still lives in that neighborhood and still goes to that shitty school are suffering the consequences of that system regardless of how individually racist any of the current teachers/school administrators are. Everyone could be the most progressive, woke, anti-racist actor possible and this "system" would still produce disparate outcomes. Being individually racist has nothing to do with it. This concept expands to wide variety of systems besides just criminal justice and covers outcomes far beyond just punishment and into things like post-release, the juvenile system, access to things like rehab, pre-trial diversion, GED programs, jobs training etc.,

The concept is extremely more nuanced than "blacks get punished too hard". That's a statement so vague and myopic that its difficult to even engage with in the context of what people who argue about systemic racism are even addressing.

>>1504813
Gay race communists. The retards who get confronted with statistics and insist that math is a tool of systemic racism.

>>1504815
>The retards who get confronted with statistics and insist that math is a tool of systemic racism.
Who do you ever hear say this that isn't a random person on Twitter?

>>1504812
>That would require leftists to acknowledge that people can be born with evil natures
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>1504816
>What the fuck does this even mean?
its low IQ magical thinking to justify racism

>>1504819
You can't. Thats why its low IQ magical thinking to justify racism.
Its just an excuse to allow state murder whoever they want as long as they come up with some bullshit reason based off of unquantifiable and immeasurable qualities.

>>1504806
Yeeeeah...I guess you're right. If someone did one of those acts and then tried to seek help, under my ideal solution to dealing with violent mental patients, they would also fall under that category. I appreciate the intelligent debate. It's difficult to know what to do, I feel so bad for victims of stuff like this. I'm so mad about her being murdered like that and I want justice. It doesn't FEEL like justice to have him sitting in a shitty medical center fully sedated until he passes. World can suck sometimes.

>>1504814
>[circumlocution intensifies]
The Rodney King example was important to this conversation anon. He was going 100+ mph through a residential area and summarily labeled as a gud boi who dindu nuffin, as if endangering the lives of other people doesn't warrant an ass-kicking.

>>1504817
>Who do you ever hear say this that isn't a random person on Twitter?
lol, lmao
>https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333
>The Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture recently unveiled guidelines for talking about race. A graphic displayed in the guidelines, entitled "Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness in the United States," declares that rational thinking and hard work, among others, are white values.

>In the section, Smithsonian declares that "objective, rational, linear thinking," "quantitative emphasis," "hard work before play," and various other values are aspects and assumptions of whiteness.

>>1504823
>CTRL+F
>0 results found
guess I fell for another fake source

>>1504821
>Yeeeeah...I guess you're right. If someone did one of those acts and then tried to seek help, under my ideal solution to dealing with violent mental patients, they would also fall under that category.
There's no solution that feels good, unfortunately. Regardless of what you do there's still a victim and still harm that can't be undone. It truly is just choosing a lesser evil. I get it though, any option in which you aren't skinning a pedophile alive will FEEL unsatisfying even if it results in less children being hurt.

>It doesn't FEEL like justice to have him sitting in a shitty medical center fully sedated until he passes.
Well, I can tell you with some professional experience that psychiatric hospitals for the criminally insane are fucking hell. You live in rooms no bigger than prison cells with blank walls, plastic beds and rubber shoes and aren't allowed to own anything you could hurt yourself with. You take medication whether you like it or not and everyone you interact with is absolutely psychotic and just as likely to hurl a handful of shit at you as befriend you. I worked in a foster home once with a lady who was in a psychiatric hospital for years with psychotic anxiety and ADD so bad she used to chew her fingernails down to the nail bed. She did it so often they had to physically restrain her in her room for a good portion of the day just to keep her from gnawing them bloody. A lot of people prefer prison, anon.

>>1504826
>I get it though, any option in which you aren't skinning a pedophile alive will FEEL unsatisfying
I think you both are underdeveloped sociopaths who don't understand Justice.

>>1504822
>He was going 100+ mph through a residential area and summarily labeled as a gud boi who dindu nuffin
Nobody ever said that, anon. The issue people had with Rodney King had nothing to do with his guilt or innocence in the crime. The issue was surrounding the fact that he was physically beaten by several cops and left with broken bones, skull fractures and brain damage.

>as if endangering the lives of other people doesn't warrant an ass-kicking
All I can say is that if you don't like our justice system where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty and want to live in a country where cops can beat the shit out of people whenever they want then move somewhere like Brazil or the Congo. I live in America. I don't want to live in the third world.

>>1504827
I think justice is less kids being molested. If offering pedophiles mental health counseling so we can keep track of them results in less kids being molested than I support it. If it doesn't then I don't. I don't know what is so difficult about that to understand.

>>1504829
Thanks for the clarification.
I know you're an underdeveloped sociopath who doesn't understand Justice.

>>1504817
>What the fuck does this even mean?
Leftists are secular humanists. They believe there is a single universal human nature and that the disparities in outcomes between various demographics stems from unbalanced power dynamics.

When a mentally ill black man stabs a white woman, the average leftist doesn't view him as evil. They assert he is a victim of a system which punishes mentally ill black men disproportionately for stabbing white women. He is not a bad person, but in fact a good person, who has labored under a society that has not given him enough time, money and consideration to accommodate his bad behavior.

Same thing with Fentanyl Floyd. He wasn't a bad person. He was just a victim of the system that punishes black people for resisting arrest.

>>1504823
I don't see in this where it says that math is a tool of racism. This is also from 6 years ago, anon. Thanks for proving my point. This isn't anybody important or noteable or influential in our society. This is a single page produced by some random, nameless person who works for an obscure division of the Smithsoneon 6 years ago who removed the page as soon as people took issue with it. This is the massive outrage you're fixated on.

>>1504830
>No argument
Ok.

>>1504825
>>1504832
>anons don't know what quantitative emphasis means
Terrific.

>>1504834
>please fall for race bait that Trump had published
lmao

>>1504788
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article313114062.html
As of this article he was still on the hook for misuse of 911.
>Officers laughed before the sergeant turned his body camera off. CMPD’s Tuesday statement said officers decided they would not file for involuntary commitment paperwork — which permits police to take a person to a treatment facility without their consent — because Brown did not “express intent to harm himself or others.”
That's the criteria though, I guess.

>>1504831
I love it when chuds lecture about what leftists think and do.

>>1504831
Pretty sure most philosophies, governments, and religions predicate considering someone immoral on their ability to understand their own actions. That has nothing to do with secularism. That's a tenant of fucking Christianity, too.

Also, George Floyd was literally a victim what with the homicide and all that.

>>1504836
Seems more like he used 911 exactly the right way and the cops just didn't want to deal with him.

>>1504831
>They believe there is a single universal human nature and that the disparities in outcomes between various demographics stems from unbalanced power dynamics.
Brother I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I am not a leftist nor do I agree with them but I've never heard anybody say any of what you're saying.

>When a mentally ill black man stabs a white woman, the average leftist doesn't view him as evil.
The thing I don't understand is what utility you think comes from labeling people evil or not evil. Even if you could quantify someone's nature and separate it from nurture (which you can't do, empirically) of what use is the label? What information does it provide us to enact criminal justice that we didn't have previously? People who commit crimes against others go to prison. Their nature or their motivations or the quality of their character or what lead them to those decisions are irrelevant. I don't know how forcing people to say "Yes they're evil" provides any kind of useful insight.

>They assert he is a victim of a system which punishes mentally ill black men disproportionately for stabbing white women. He is not a bad person, but in fact a good person, who has labored under a society that has not given him enough time, money and consideration to accommodate his bad behavior.
I don't understand how this contradicts anything. You can be a victim of a failed society and still guilty of crimes. Plenty of serial killers were abused and tortured as children and that is what lead them to kill. That has nothing to do with our responsibility to punish them. I'm not aware of any significant movement of people, leftist or otherwise, who argue the opposite.

>>1504834
Firstly, you can't point to me anywhere in this where it says math is a tool of racism. Either you made it up or you didnt bother reading this thing before posting it. Secondly, if you're this angry about a flier put out by a random dude in the Smithsoneon 6 years ago and this is your example of the great social scourge coming to ruin us all I don't know what to tell you. Your mind has been entirely captured by culture war rage bait.

>>1504827
the pedo defense is kind of wild, not gonna lie anon. Im just trying to have a civil conversation and both of us are here agreeing that while protecting kids and others from pedos, rapists, and violently insane, it isn't worth death penalties because it could cause more harm than good, and you're upset? Like, you're upset about us wanting to protect people from evil, but accepting that it would do more harm than good? I dunno man, I'm thinking you might need your hard drives checked. And for the record, both of us are talking about 100% proven pedos, not people who have loli on their harddrive or someone who went seeking help with their mental disorder.

>>1504842
>I don't know how forcing people to say "Yes they're evil" provides any kind of useful insight.
Because they want to be able to declare non-criminals as having evil nature by connecting them to criminals.

>>1504844
>triggered this hard
So because I called you out, you think I should be skinned alive
Why are right wingers always such thin skinned pussies? lmao

>>1504845
I always find it really weird trying to inject irrelevant philosophy into criminal justice when it provides absolutely no utility whatsoever. Like what is the difference between an "evil" person robbing someone and killing them and a "not evil" person robbing someone and killing them? There is none. A "good" person can commit a crime for a bad reason and a "bad person" can commit a crime for a good reason. None of this holds any relevance to the way we analyze crime or punish it. Trying to twist someone's arm into labeling someone is evil feels more like a rejection of modern criminal philosophy than anything.

>>1504848
logically extending everything out, deliberately trying to link non-criminals to criminal behaviors and preseeking punishments for them based on that connection is in and of itself a crime
So it deserves punishment and an examination of the underlying motive

>>1504844
The issue is that most people get their ethics from raw intuition. They don't really stop to analyze why they feel the way they feel about anything. They just sort of follow their knee-jerk moral intuitions and don't bother fleshing anything out beyond that. This is why knuckle draggers all cheer when pedophiles are hunted down by civilians and burned alive and skinned because they're nothing but walking limbic systems - basic reward systems with no sense of higher functioning. They don't stop to think about the ramifications of vigilante justice or what sort of downstream effects there are from completely abandoning the principals of criminal justice when we feel something is "bad" enough or whether or not these actions even produce better outcomes for victims.

>>1504847
I'm not right wing, for starters. I never said you should be skinned alive. I said how hard you're defending actual 100% proven pedos who have hurt children is really concerning. Other Anon told me I wasn't thinking clearly and explained I was wrong. You're flying off the handle accusing people and putting words in my mouth, it's a little concerning. Relax a bit, we can have a civil conversation without arguing, I am more than open to hearing your side, but tone down the offense a little bit.

I feel like active pedophiles who hurt kids are pretty bad. But I'm open to hearing other sides. Like other anon said, there are people who DONT want to hurt kids and see it as a mental disorder and those people deserve help because they realize their mental disorder isn't more important than protecting kids. Again, I just want a civil conversation with you, I'm sorry for the hard drive comment, it was rude. Are you saying all pedos should be given the help they need because it's a mental disorder that some may be unable to control? I can see that view point.

>>1504852
Who was defending pedos? I think you're replying to the wrong post.

You're definitely the guy who wants to skin people alive though, and thats a crime regardless of who the other person is and what they've done. Its literally unconstitutional and unamerican.

>>1504851
I very much used to be the knee jerk whoo go dad for gunning down that coach who was found not guilty despite all the over whelming evidence. But I did learn that vigilante justice is not good, and that we CANNOT be putting anyone to death without 100% irrefutable evidence. Like not even a small bit of doubt. Because there are cases with some evidence that sent people away for decades, only for future tech to exonerate them. I am def not in favor of vigilante justice, if one person was beaten to death by a vigilante justice system, and they were wrong? That is already one too many to suffer.

>>1504854
I have never once wanted to skin anyone alive. That is disgusting. I said that 100% verified rapists and pedos used to be things I wanted a (humane) death penalty for. But I know it would do more harm than good.

>>1504850
As I said earlier in the thread I find it odd how comfortable Americans have become with literally wanting to live in a third world country. Cheering on cops beating/killing people or vigilantes taking people out before their trails because they're "evil" is like the societal values of a tribesman in bumfuck Africa. As a man in his thirties I seem to remember us elevating ourselves over the rest of the world because our justice system provided opportunities for people to defend themselves in court that no other country could. Our constitution guaranteed speedy trials, impartial juries, representation, freedom from cruel and unusual punishment and the right to face our accusers. We were better than the rest of the world. Watching us now tumble down the rabbit hole to wanting vigilante death squads roaming the streets to slaughter people who are on the bad list is truly dystopian to me.

>>1504855
Since you seem to have lost the thread of this conversation, lets just leave it that Justice is not 'less kids being molested'

Hope you keep evolving and figuring out what it should be

>>1504857
>lets just leave it that Justice is not 'less kids being molested'
If you prioritize making offenders suffer more than preventing innocent people from being victimized I have absolutely no interest in whatever backwards idea of justice you've convinced yourself of.

>Hope you keep evolving and figuring out what it should be
If evolving means ending up like you I'm very much so good with remaining at my current state. I never thought "I think less kids should get molested" was a hill I'd unironically have to defend but here we are I guess.

>>1504840
He'd previously gotten some form of psychiatric "help" but he really didn't want to take meds. It's easy to say in retrospect that he should have been institutionalized but there's 300x as many schizos like that that don't commit murder so that's a large number that need to be locked up in that case.

>>1504859
>If you prioritize making offenders suffer more than preventing innocent people from being victimized
What a joke, you're the retard who set a floor for kids to be molested.

Wait, its an actual joke. A retard walks into a therapy circle for survivors of child molestation and tries to convince them justice means less kids will be molested, but they'll still be molested. After getting their ass kicked and dumped outside, they crawl away muttering, "I guess its true that molested children turn into child molesters"

>>1504862
>What a joke, you're the retard who set a floor for kids to be molested.
Less kids being molested = good. If you disagree with this then you are a deeply unserious person and nothing you say or think holds any value to me.

>>1504863
No children being molested is good
Less children being molested = children are being molested
How many kids are you fine with being molested each year? We already know the answer isn't 0.

>>1504857
Let's talk about Justice in the context of this original thread.
>>1504706
Is being told the murderer of your daughter, your sister, is not competent to stand trial for murder, are you getting justice?

>>1504864
>How many kids are you fine with being molested each year?
What a stupid fucking question. This is like asking "How many houses a year are you okay with being destroyed by tornadoes?" The answer is 0. Bad things happening is bad but we don't live in a fairy tale where we can reduce all harm to 0. I can't stop tornadoes from happening. I can't displace 100% of people who live in tornado zones. These are solutions that are practically impossible.

For example, 93% of all sexual offenses are committed by men. You know how we could make that number 0? Executing all men, but obviously we can't do that. The cure can't be worse than the disease. That doesn't mean I'm "okay" with bad things happening. That doesn't make any sense at all. I'm actually a little flabbergasted I have to explain this concept to another human being. You better not be a day over 14 years old, anon, or you have no excuse being this retarded.

>>1504866
If my daughter drowns in the ocean, am I not getting Justice when the police tell me that they can't execute the Ocean for my daughters murder?

>>1504867
>my justice requires molested children, sorry

>>1504866
>Is being told the murderer of your daughter, your sister, is not competent to stand trial for murder, are you getting justice?
As difficult as it is to accept, the answer is yes. Our justice system exists for the benefit of all of society, not just the individual people who are the victims of crimes. It isn't possible to build any justice system that satisfies the desires of every single person impacted by crime nor is it feasible to let emotions like hate or vengeance fuel our decision making. This is why we go through such pains to choose impartial juries. If our system were about satisfying victims we'd just let the family members of the murdered person be the jury or even the judge. We don't do that because impartiality is the lynch pin of our society.

>>1504870
You're an idiot

>>1504870
Kids die in traffic accidents
If we lowered the national speed limit to 6 miles per hour, there would be 0 casualties.
Do you want to lower the national speed limit to 6MPH?
>my justice requires kids getting killed by cars, sorry

>>1504873
That guy is fucking retarded. I'm a little embarrassed I dedicated that much time to responding to such a low IQ argument.

>>1504873
>If we lowered the national speed limit to 6 miles per hour, there would be 0 casualties.
so flustered that you're coming up with shitty premises
plenty of kids are killed by cars going less than 6 mph
calm down and think before you reply, please

>>1504871
How is justice being served in that case?
If the police fuck up the paperwork, and a criminal is let free on a technicality, how are the people who are victims of that criminal being served by the justice system?

>>1504875
>plenty of kids are killed by cars going less than 6 mph
Ok, so we should just ban all cars then. If you don't support banning all cars then you support kids getting killed by cars.

>>1504877
see >>1504875
>so flustered that you're coming up with shitty premises
>calm down and think before you reply, please

>>1504878
Does your justice require innocent kids to be killed by auto vehicles?

>>1504874
>I'm a little embarrassed I dedicated that much time to responding to such a low IQ argument.
You are trying to have a serious conversation on the shittest board of the shittiest website
You already lost

>>1504876
>How is justice being served in that case?
Justice is designed to serve the best interests of society, not every single individual. Like I said, if it were just about satisfying the victims of crimes we wouldn't bother with impartial juries, judges or legal procedures.

>If the police fuck up the paperwork, and a criminal is let free on a technicality, how are the people who are victims of that criminal being served by the justice system?
Justice is often not served but that is the cost of a fair and impartial justice system. You can't forget to examine the other side of the equation. The same system that allows a killer be free on a technicality also prevents an innocent person from being convicted because of the same technicality. The term is "throwing the baby away with the bath water". We could absolutely build a system in which 100% of killers are convicted and sentenced to death but that would also include scores of innocent people who slipped through the cracks because serving the desires of individuals was more important than preserving a society wide system of impartial justice. There is no way to prevent every guilty person from going free or every innocent person from being convicted but our rules of fairness and impartiality minimize those numbers to the best of our ability.

>>1504875
>plenty of kids are killed by cars going less than 6 mph
lol that reminds me of that dyke that got shot for ramming a ICE agent. What was that dyke's name again?
Anyway, funniest shit all year.
>Drive honey.
Lol killed her wife. lol.

>>1504878
>my justice requires kids being hit by cars, sorry

>>1504887
>>1504888
when the shills are tilted this hard you know you're right

>>1504889
Watching you incapable of engaging with the retardedness of your own argument is endlessly entertaining

>>1504890
>not engaging with my strawman is entertaining
like jingling keys, or a speak and spell

>>1504892
I don't engage with sociopaths who are okay with kids getting killed by cars

>>1504893
And thats fine, you can hide behind your strawman all you want.

>>1504886
A Justice system where Justice is not usually served is failing Justice system. One that needs reform

>>1504860
>but there's 300x as many schizos like that that don't commit murder so that's a large number that need to be locked up in that case
Hot Take: If a schizophrenic asks to be institutionalized, you should probably fucking institutionalize them.

And if there's not enough beds or staff for that, buy more and hire more.

>But who is going to pay for it?
Tax money from all the cops we won't have to pay for and people who won't be murdered.

>>1504897
I don't think he was asking to be institutionalized as such. Not coherently. He wanted them to get man-made material out of his body. There's a reality mismatch here getting in the way of him committing himself. (Although I confess I don't know how well that even works if he's broke.)

>>1504897
>Hot Take: If a schizophrenic asks to be institutionalized, you should probably fucking institutionalize them.
If he actually was directly trying to get institutionalized he could've easily checked himself in. Chances are he said it in indirect terms or muddled by some kind of breakdown.

>>1504905
>If he actually was directly trying to get institutionalized he could've easily checked himself in
Lol

>>1504902
The community is supposed to care for him, but they didn't.

>>1504706
So 13 times before he was competent enough to stand trial and be let go again and again and again and again... But the second he's caught murdering a white girl - NOW he's not mentally capable to stand trial?

WELL ISN'T THAT JUST FUCKING CONVENIENT!

>>1504919
>Wow how convenient that only after his mental state has degraded to the point he murdered a random woman on the bus because he thought she was putting mind control bugs under his skin that he's been deemed mentally unfit to stand trial
Have you considered thinking for more than five minutes?

>>1504842
>Brother I have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
White versus black. Bourgeois vs proletariat. Oppressor versus oppressed. It's a theme that underpins leftist thinking.
>The thing I don't understand is what utility you think comes from labeling people evil or not evil.
>You can be a victim of a failed society and still guilty of crimes.
If you are the type of person who believes that external factors are solely to blame for bad behavior, any attempt by someone to protect themselves or their community from bad behavior is immediately seen as a form of unfair prejudice and bigotry.
Leftists are also be unwilling to admit that different humans have different natures, because that would mean each nature would have its own brand of morality. What would be good for Decarlos Brown Jr. would not be good for Iryna Zarutska and vice versa.
You can see this kind of sentimentality in this thread; plenty of anons insist that this person deserves to be put into a mental asylum for stabbing an innocent girl in the neck because they view him as an inherent victim that requires some degree of consideration.
These people are delusional.

>>1504918
I remember Democrats being against vigilantes.
Unless they're fighting to keep an apportionment advantage, then it's fine.

>>1504920
Amazing how this wasn't even considered when he got busted for armed robbery.

>>1504928
Schizophrenia is age dependent and does tend to get worse from age 23 to 35.

>>1504929
Schizophrenia doesn't make you kill random people anon.

>>1504930
But if you're already a violent criminal it would make you more randomly violent.

>>1504932
>randomly
He's doing the classic insanity plea. He knew what he was doing.

>>1504933
>ramble about man-made material in his body to the cops for 20 minutes on body cam
>so he could stab some pretty white woman he didn't know months later in front of a train camera and train passengers and get away with it by going to an asylum for the criminally insane
>classic
It takes some very unusual dedication at least.

>>1504930
>Schizophrenia doesn't make you kill random people anon.
It can, the same way any other loss of the ability to process reality can.

>>1504929
Again, convenient how he wasn't violently insane until after he committed a crime that could land him life in prison or the death penalty. Very convenient, I'm sure it had nothing to do with him constantly being let out of prison by democrats until he fucked up and became so famous even they couldn't let him out for the 15th time. What a coincidence that as soon as he can't be rotated out of prison he finds a loophole to avoid going to prison.

Y'know, I can't help but imagine living in a utopia without democrats where these problems don't exist.

>>1504943
Makes you wonder why we execute psychopaths in the first place.

>>1504944
>why didn't they declare him insane when he was doing basic robberies instead of when he literally thought there were bugs under his skin that this random woman was controlling

>>1504946
>he wasn't actually crazy until AFTER he faced the possibility of death row

>>1504949
Why did he face the possibility of death row anon? Is it because he murdered a woman in a delusion fueled haze, thinking she was putting bugs in his skin?

>>1504945
Schizophrenia and psychopathy aren't the same thing. Schizophrenics suffer from hallucinations and delusions. When they hurt someone in connection to their symptoms, it's because they thought that person was a threat to them, e.g. they were attacking them with a Russian sound gun that was going to make their head explode if they weren't stopped.

Psychopaths are just lacking empathy. Their symptoms don't motivate them hurt people. They just don't disincentivize not hurting people out of concern for the wellbeing of others. Imagine they're a car with no brakes. They can still steer to avoid obstacles just fine, so if they hang a right into a parade, that shit's on them.

>>1504950
As opposed to all the other crimes he committed before that when he - allegedly - thought he had bugs under his skin? Once again, very convenient when he finally commits a crime that could get him killed, now he's not mentally capable to stand trial.

Democrats are the anchor weighing us down. They are the cancer killing this country.

>>1504953
I don't think you understand the concept of mental state worsening over time.

>>1504785
nta you're contrarian, may a plot find you too

>>1504960
Haha yeah I guess he really was just a victim of circumstance!
You idiot. You stupid fucking bastard, fuck you.

>>1504774
>noooo you can't lynch the heckin murderer he is darker than you

>>1504729
>>1504735
so fuckin what

>>1504963
>Haha yeah I guess he really was just a victim of circumstance!
Yes. The murder literally would not have happened if he weren't schizophrenic.

>>1504966
A more plausible explanation is that he's just another black guy that targets white women and then claims mental illness because he knows you're a bleeding heart shitlib who will side with him.

>>1504968
Sure, that's a plausible explanation if you ignore his entire criminal and medical history.

A real plausible explanation is you're too dumb to hold more than one thought in your head at a time, so the idea of looking at evidence to formulate a conclusion about how something happened is foreign to you since you rely entirely on confirmation bias to function.

>>1504960
I don't think you understand the concept of bullshit to escape the death penalty. The man has been arrested 14 times before this happened. If his mental health was this terrible, he should have been committed during any of those crimes. Yet, the same dems who let him out all those years thought he was mentally sound enough to be let back out into the world each time. So either he's making this shit up, or democrats are intentionally letting violent psychopaths roam the streets instead of putting them in facilities where they won't be a constant danger to everyone else.

>>1504970
The reality of the situation is that this guy was given every consideration by society to correct his life, but he instead stabbed an innocent Ukrainian woman to death. And your excuse as to why he shouldn't be executed is "he's mentally ill tho".

I mean, okay, sure. I guess innocent women getting stabbed is the price we all must pay to live in a fair, tolerant society.

>>1504976
>If his mental health was this terrible, he should have been committed during any of those crimes.
Well obviously his mental health state couldn't have worsened or anything like that.

Also you're one of those retards who seem to think a likely lifelong stay in a mental institution is better than the death penalty or life imprisonment. It really, REALLY isn't. Insanity defense doesn't work like it does in cartoons and comic books. They don't go to Arkham Asylum where they leave in a few years scot-free. Most of the time it's life imprisonment with even less rights than normal life sentence prisoners get.

>>1504977
You're literally so incensed that they didn't just execute him, even though he literally lives in a state that hasn't executed someone in 20 years, that you're ignoring he'll be stuck in a mental institution for the rest of his life.

>>1504976
not democrats, the whigs
its a subversive comeback

>>1504977
give it a rest already russia shill

>>1504706
Hardly anything new. The school shooter who killed 10 in Santa Fe, Texas in 2018 was never found competent to stand trial and its status is kind of in limbo ever since.

>>1504978
>Well obviously his mental health state couldn't have worsened or anything like that.
Well obviously it's not like he's been arrested over a dozen times where his mental health could have been evaluated - oh wait! You'd have a point if his last arrest was 20 years ago, but 14 fucking arrests, repeatedly in contact with law enforcement, you'd think someone would've noticed the decline in his mental health and taken the appropriate actions. Only one of two scenarios is realistic:
A) his mental health isn't that bad and he's pretending it is to avoid execution
or
B) his mental health was that bad and he's arrested so many times that it should have been well documented, yet he was still allowed in society by democrats who didn't want to send him for treatment.

You're the retard who can't understand that he's had so much contact with law enforcement that his mental health should be well documented by this point - and if it was declining that badly then dems failed him, her and everyone in society by allowing him out of jail despite so many infractions.

>Also you're one of those retards who seem to think a likely lifelong stay in a mental institution is better than the death penalty or life imprisonment. It really, REALLY isn't.
It really isn't that hard to understand why a criminal would choose insanity over the possibility of execution. He might spend the rest of his life in a shitty asylum with less rights, but at least he knows he'll be alive with the possibility to be released in the future.

>>1504979
You are correct, it is literally enraging to see someone like you defend a hate crime by portraying the perpetrator as the victim.
>you're ignoring he'll be stuck in a mental institution for the rest of his life
You keep forgetting that this guy has a proven record of being caught, and subsequently released, back into society where he can hurt more people. Because it keeps happening.

>>1504986
>You keep forgetting that this guy has a proven record of being caught, and subsequently released, back into society where he can hurt more people. Because it keeps happening.
You're literally now arguing that you're angry because he could hypothetically be released in the future, even though he wouldn't have been executed even if he was fit to stand trial. Meaning that is literally ALWAYS an option on the table and you wouldn't even be satisfied with a direct life sentence.

>>1504985
>A) his mental health isn't that bad and he's pretending it is to avoid execution
Yeah that doesn't work in real life.

>B) his mental health was that bad and he's arrested so many times that it should have been well documented, yet he was still allowed in society by democrats who didn't want to send him for treatment.
I don't think you understand that there is a difference between "Schizo who should really start taking his meds" behavior and "Schizo who will actively kill people because he thinks they're mind controlling him" behavior. If you wanna argue the system failed him sure, but don't act like what he did on that train wasn't an escalation compared to his behavior before it. That's kinda the whole rub with mental illness and why the whole concept of "unfit to stand trial" exists.

>It really isn't that hard to understand why a criminal would choose insanity over the possibility of execution. He might spend the rest of his life in a shitty asylum with less rights, but at least he knows he'll be alive with the possibility to be released in the future.
You seriously don't understand how horrible being committed is. You genuinely think it's like Batman sending someone to Arkham Asylum holy shit

>>1504985
The bulk of those 14 arrests were in fact over 10 years ago. He was in prison from 2015-2020. Since then there's two: Assaulting his sister (which I'm not sure what happened with that or if it resulted in a conviction), and misuse of 911.

>>1504988
>I don't think you understand that there is a difference between "Schizo who should really start taking his meds" behavior and "Schizo who will actively kill people because he thinks they're mind controlling him" behavior.
I don't think you understand how he shouldn't have been in society if he was that fucked up. With as much time as he's been in and out of the system.
>If you wanna argue the system failed him sure,
Democrats failed him. They're in charge of the system that lets repeat offenders and career criminals out of jail all the time.

>You genuinely think it's like Batman sending someone to Arkham Asylum holy shit
At no point did I say this, so keep strawmanning.

>>1504718
He isnt allowed to ya retard. They didnt give him a pat on the back and let him go after, dude's never seeing the outside of the nut hut again. And from what Ive heard those are even worse than prison.

>>1504716
True, which is why like other insentient animals, they need to be put down once they attack a human

>>1504721
>>1504727
This.
People think this ends with a poor insane minority facing consequences for his actions? Get ready for the fifteenth time he's released, so he can go find his sixteenth victim.

>>1504749
Yeah! It's not fair that he's not profiting! He needs to get Baron investing on this scam.

The left just loves the 12/61. Always ready to support them.

>>1504763
>He could then stand trial, but as long as he wasn't found to have acted with deliberate negligence in terms of controlling his illness, he's got a pretty rock solid defense.
What the fuck are you talking about? Prior mental health issues are not a defense to murder if he is competent enough to stand trial.

>Your honor, there may be a video of me stabbing someone, and I was arrested shortly after with a bloody knife in my hand as I shouted, "I DID IT, I KILLED HER," but you see, I was feeling depressed about my life and so I didn't do it on purpose, it just sort of happened spontaneously, so I should be free to go."

>>1504994
>At no point did I say this, so keep strawmanning.

>It really isn't that hard to understand why a criminal would choose insanity over the possibility of execution. He might spend the rest of his life in a shitty asylum with less rights, but at least he knows he'll be alive with the possibility to be released in the future.

>>1504994
>I don't think you understand how he shouldn't have been in society if he was that fucked up. With as much time as he's been in and out of the system.
Was he fucked up enough to kill someone before this point? Judges can't see the fucking future my guy; you can't execute someone on the grounds of "well he hasn't actually killed anyone yet but he might in the future so just to be sure-"

>>1505021
>>1505024
You retards truly are convinced this shit works like a comic book and he's ever seeing the outside of a medical institution, holy shit.

>>1505030
This must be how Commissioner Gordon felt when talking with the Batman about Joker in the comic series.
>G: What the fuck do you mean put him back in Arkham? He just gassed a schoolbus full of children.
>B: He's clearly too insane to stand trial.
>G: He's done this multiple times!
>B: Yeah but have you considered society is to blame?

>>1505050
It's funny because there was literally an entire batman comic about a guy who faked insanity to get out of charges and promptly got tortured to the point he lost his nose, ears, and lips and actually went insane.

>>1505051
How many times has the Joker broken out of Arkham Asylum in canon?

>>1505075
Real life isn't a comic book. I want you to find an actual case of someone who feigned insanity to get out of prison who actually saw the light of day after that.

>>1505050
People break out of prison in DC too and between a prison and an Asylum, Joker obviously belongs in the latter.

Also, this is setting aside the fact that Gotham is built on a Hellmouth that drives innocent people to violent insanity so that the demons that live there that feed on violent souls can secretly pick off and eat a % of the people that get confined to Arkham.

>>1505024
>Prior mental health issues are not a defense to murder
They are when they establish a preexisting mental health condition that would have prevented someone from understanding their actions.

It's a lot easier to prove a diagnosed schizophrenic didn't understand their actions than someone that randomly dissociated for the first time in their life.

>>1505149
>Joker obviously belongs in the latter
So did Ted Bundy, but nobody sane thought he was a gud boi who dindu nuffin that could somehow be rehabilitated.

>>1505152
>So did Ted Bundy
Ted Bundy didn't have a debilitating mental illness. Also, Joker isn't going to Arkham for rehabilitation, lmao.

Asylums aren't just for treatment of the mentally ill. They're also for care and containment for the mentally ill that can't function in society. Not all mental conditions are treatable.

>>1505152
I get that Ted Bundy is white, but you can't just blame his crimes on mental illness just because of that. He's not a mass shooter.

>>1505028
I never said asylum life was going to be a fun experience. I acknowledge that it would be a shitty life, but it's still better than execution. But you keep doing this bullshit
>durr hurrr u genuinely think it's like Batman sending someone to Arkham Asylum holy shit lololol derpderpderp
which I've never said, you dumb homo. Saying this miserable option is better than being killed is not the same as saying this option won't suck.

>>1504706
but he was fine to be out on the streets despite being a repeat offender huh neat

>>1505167
>but he was fine to be out on the streets
Literally nobody is claiming this.

>>1505169
the legal system did

>>1505154
>Ted Bundy didn't have a debilitating mental illness.
He was a psychopath that raped and killed people. I'd argue that's very debilitating.

>>1505171
When?

>>1505173
Psychopathy isn't debilitating. About 1% of the population is psychopathic or sociopathic and that rate increases in higher end jobs.

Likewise most rapists and murderers take care of themselves just fine.

FFS look at our federal government. Being an asshole isn't the same thing as mental incompetence.

>>1505179
when the judge said it was fine to commute his sentence inexchange for sending him to a mental health facility where she's the chairman and gets a kickback from.

>>1505173
you stupid? psychopaths run the world, empathy is unironically a debilitating trait. intelligent psychopaths lack the trait but feign it. thats why CEOS politicians are among the occupations with the highest rate of psychopaths

>>1505211
Are there many streets in this mental health facility as you imagine it? Also have you considered checking yourself into one?

>>1505211
If the judge is getting kickbacks for filling beds in a mental health facility, those people aren't going to be on the streets. Your nonsense is self-contradictory.