The announcement of Iran’s U-turn came the day after Donald Trump said the US blockade would “remain in full force” until a permanent peace deal with Tehran was reached. The US president also said that the temporary ceasefire with Iran, brokered by Pakistan and due to expire on Wednesday, may not be extended.

US and Iranian delegations are expected to hold a second round of peace talks, although the timing has yet to be confirmed. Agence France-Presse reported that the Egyptian foreign minister said on Saturday there were hopes for a deal “in the coming days”.

“We hope to do so [reach an agreement] in the coming days,” Badr Abdelatty said, adding that “not only us in the region, but the whole world is suffering from the continuation of this war”.

Before Iran’s reversal, at least eight oil and gas tankers had passed through the strait in the brief window when it was open early on Saturday, according to maritime tracking data.

About 20% of the world’s oil and liquified natural gas passes through the narrow strait, which has become a focal point of the US-Israeli war on Iran. Its closure has driven up energy prices around the world.

Frustrated tRump.
Iran opening and closing that strait more than Melania opening and closing her legs for their pre-nup.

If the US stop blockading, the Iranians will stop blockading

I don't understand why Trump doesn't nuke the entire region

>>1507106
So let me check my notes here: the thing stopping the US from achieving their goal of making Iran open the Strait of Hormuz is the US stopping Iran from opening the Strait of Hormuz.

God it's just own goal after own goal. Maybe Trump was right not calling this a war, because it's better to call this a series of unprecedented retardation.

>>1507132
It’s neo-con force of will mentality where if you believe it enough it becomes reality.
Trump wants to blocked Iran, and he wants the nuclear dust, and he wants regime change, and the Kurds to attack from the side, so what he’s doing is pretending all those things have happened and proceeding from that reality

*blockade Iran

>>1507132
>Not understanding basic geopolitics
The US is never going to accept a situation in which anyone pays for oil, tolls or otherwise, in any currency other than USD. Its just not going to fucking happen under any circumstances, ever.

When Iran surrenders properly as is their lot in life as a defeated power and goes back to bonking goats and grooming children instead of pretending they're a military power, the US will go home. Not before.

>>1507144
America will never defeat Iran outright and America is geopolitically weaker now than at the start of the war. The longer this war goes on the geopolitically weaker America will become. These are facts.

America has no allies in this war save Israel.
America cannot invade Iran without suffering massive casualties.
America cannot conquer Iran without suffering massive casualties.
America cannot hold Iran without a draft to increase their troop numbers to a reasonable number for garrisons and patrolling against insurgents.
Iran will not surrender by bombing, even by nukes.
Iran is surrounded by allies and sympathetic neutrals.
It is impossible for America to put Iran under siege due to various geopolitical factors.
America cannot win this war.

Considering all of the above,
the best course of action for America is therefore an honourable surrender

>>1507144
>When Iran surrenders properly as is their lot in life as a defeated power and goes back to bonking goats and grooming children instead of pretending they're a military power, the US will go home. Not before.
Literally why would they surrender? They have perfect leverage and any attempts at a ground invasion will not only likely result in the complete mutual destruction of the gulf states, driving oil prices sky high, but they already know this war is horrifically unpopular in the US itself and Trump can only keep it going so long.

Trump fucked up. The only way out is to just accept defeat and let them charge the toll, MAYBE while convincing them somehow to pay in USD. This whole war was an objective failure and a massive mistake made by an egotistical idiot who couldn't understand why not only every previous president did not attack Iran, but also why everyone didn't attack Iran right down to the Egyptians warning in fucking pyramid carvings not to attack Persia. We stepped on a bear trap and the only way out is to just accept how fucked up our proverbial leg is while stepping out of it.

>>1507148
They won’t accept the toll in USD, not now. They have to teach a lesson so the next president doesn’t come back to prove he’s better than Trump or whatever.
The US will accept the Iranian offer or the war will continue.
They may withdraw the offer now the US has broken the ceasefire with its blockade, during negotiations, and they may demand something further like the US no longer supplies Israel

>>1507153
Yeah they have complete and utter leverage. In Trump's own words, they have all the cards and we have no cards.

Any other president would've accepted this and tried some vain spin while dipping. But not fucking Trump, who physically cannot accept a loss unless forced to. And now with his army of yes-men for a cabinet, no one is forcing him to until congress can finally get their heads out of their/Israel's asses and realize this is an unwinnable situation.

>>1507144
get a grip

>>1507148
>Literally why would they surrender?
Trump has intimated on twitter that he's willing to genocide all of Iran to get the strait back open.
America has tools at its disposal its never used which can cause widespread destruction. Venezuela was a testing of some of their more recently developed energy weapons.
I'm not making a moral judgement here, but the reality is that America is restraining itself heavily out of concern for innocent lives. If Trump waged total war then he could go way harder.

>>1507156
Yeah and they're operating under the assumption they'll just do it anyway, so why the fuck would they agree to anything? Everyone knows if we try to scour life from the region they just bomb the gulf's desalination and power plants in-turn and collapse worldwide oil production. It is unironically the belief that American can and will kill all of them that is why they aren't agreeing to shit.

Americans are incredibly naive about diplomacy

>>1507157
>It is unironically the belief that American can and will kill all of them that is why they aren't agreeing to shit.
They're not wrong. American leadership is psychotic at the moment.

Well guess we'll have to bomb them into the stone age then. Leftists will seethe but wiping out Islamic extremists can only produce good outcomes for the entire planet.

>>1507156
>muh energy weapons
and yet, bizarrely, not a single Venezuelan eye witness. It’s so strange, almost as if the Americans are lying again and making things up again.

As for genocide, a few things will be set in motion if that path is taken. Firstly, it will require either an invasion and attempt at total conquest which will be extremely difficult for the US militarily on both counts. The subsequent occupation will require more troops than America has, which means a draft. The genocide thereafter will require the the compliance of the military itself, not only the commanding officers but the soldiers themselves.
The other option would by massive bombing of civilians, who would soon run away and disperse into the mountains and other difficult to bomb places. Even going full nuclear turn it into glass will not kill all of them, many possibly millions will survive and continue fighting.
Then there’s the matter of the US being completely isolated in the world, see what’s happening to Israel now diplomatically for an idea but it will be much worse for the US because the Israelis are doing their genocide slowly so it’s not as noticeable, the US will likely do theirs as quickly as possible once they begin in order to avoid domestic unrest

>>1507161
By what criteria are they extremists?

>>1507165
All Muslims are extremists.

The moderate seeming ones are lying, concealing their extremism and playing the role of a "peaceful majority" in order to better infiltrate and subvert the host nation ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya )

>>1507166
do you want to kill all Muslims?

>>1507167
No, Muslims want to kill all Christians, I am merely defending myself and my people. Self defense is not murder

>>1507169
Muslims do not want to kill all Christians. If Muslims were supposed to kill all Christians they would’ve killed many more Christians when they were ruling them throughout history, and there would be Muslim groups in the world today actually trying to kill all Christians but there are actually no groups like that at all.
You are misinformed

>>1507170
he's disinforming, actually. that is his "job" after all

>>1507163
The US is the largest arms dealer in the planet anon. They've been working on new ways to kill people harder than they've been trying to cure cancer.

>>1507165
Islam is like the weather in Britain. Even when it's sunni it's still shiite.

>>1507174
Those weapons manufacturers are private companies they aren’t the US government. They sell weapons to the US government and other buyers. There are also other companies in the world in different countries that also research and develop new weapons technologies. Regardless, saying the US has some super secret energy weapon they used in Venezuela, if it were true there would be eye witnesses. As far as I’m concerned it’s probably bullshit that someone who plays Fallout came up with

>>1507176
>Those weapons manufacturers are private companies they aren’t the US government.
lol what are you even talking about, do you even know how the military industrial complex works? Most of our foreign military aid is surplus designed for conflicts that ended decades ago.

>>1507161
>Well guess we'll have to bomb them into the stone age then
Nice fanfic. The reality:
>TACO
Rightists are already seething, while leftists are pointing and laughing at their orange pedo anti-christ, who - just as Hitler being alive was the best asset to Churchill & co in ensuring they'd win WWII - is the Democrats' best asset in doing untold damage to the GOP in the midterms & beyond.
>Churchill nixed an idea by the SOE: assassinating Hitler
Even that which nicked an orange ear has blown up in their faces, when they shouldn't have thought of that in the first place, as the resulting pyrrhic victory barely a year later will mean their failure via an electoral bloodbath and a win for their rivals.

>>1507154
> But not fucking Trump, who physically cannot accept a loss unless forced to.
He's looking for a fall guy to blame for his fuck up, like he always does. All the money is on the drunken rapist who thinks Pulp Fiction is from the Bible.

>>1507178
Two things. Firstly the US government is not a weapons manufacturer and the weapons manufacturers are, generally speaking, not part of the US government apparatus.
The second point is there’s, due to the absence of any independent observation in combination with the fact that the US government has a sophisticated propaganda machine, no evidence that energy weapons were used by the US in Venezuela or even exist.

To your question:
>do you even know how the military industrial complex works?
Yeah. I haven’t written a book on it but I have an understanding of it beyond knowing that it’s a thing which exists
>Most of our foreign military aid is surplus designed for conflicts that ended decades ago.
Ok, but I wasn’t talking about aid I was talking about sales to non-US military

>>1507204
>the weapons manufacturers are, generally speaking, not part of the US government apparatus
If a company's only customers are the US government or governments the US government allows them to sell to, the US government controls who they can buy supplies and parts from, the US government funds the construction of their factories and determines where they will be built, there is a revolving door between company leadership and government jobs, and they are under special regulations as government contractors, they're fucking part of the US government apparatus.

That's genuinely less integration than shit globally recognized as state media in a lot of countries.

>>1507205
No, weapons manufacturers in the US and the US government are both part of the military industrial complex

>>1507131
Because Trump would now be a mass murderer of millions of innocent civilians and piss off all their neighbouring countries from fallout. Meanwhile, the Iranian government would still oppose him and the Strait would still be blocked (and irradiated)

Perhaps he should make a deal (something that they BOTH agree on) instead of making shit up from day to day on what he wishes had happened?

>>1507204
>Firstly the US government is not a weapons manufacturer and the weapons manufacturers are, generally speaking, not part of the US government apparatus.
Doesn't really matter when arms manufacturers are contracted to exclusively produce stuff for the US military. It's not like Lockheed Martin is producing A-10's for domestic use.
>no evidence that energy weapons were used by the US in Venezuela or even exist
The US government has been fiddling around with energy weapons for decades. One of them was conceived as a chemical laser for missile defense (Boeing YAL-1). Another was proposed for basic bitch riot control (LRAD).

>>1507166
Naw, not most of them. Every group has a small percentage of extremist in them, like Christians or Jews, nationalities, political parties, football teams, etc. Most are pretty ok with others of different groups and just want to live alongside others in peace. it's just there are always a small percentage of (very vocal) nutters in both, they are the ones to watch out for, not all the rest. Don't condemn an entire faith, people, country, political party, football team etc just because of a few extremists or you will end up becoming an extremist yourself.

>>1507205
US weapons manufacturers also sell to non-state entities. Yes you’re right they can only sell to approved buyers but it’s not always or exclusively other governments. They also sell some of the good new stuff to foreign governments, good allies like South Korea and Australia

>>1507208
Still no evidence that any, novel or otherwise, energy weapons were used in Venezuela.

>>1507147
>America cannot hold Iran without a draft to increase their troop numbers to a reasonable number for garrisons and patrolling against insurgents.
Do you think that's why they're bringing back the draft?

>>1507216
>bringing back
nta it never went away. They're just making the process automatic so draft dodging is much harder. There's an argument to be made that the automatic registration combined with mass surveillance is to make it where an incoming draft to fight in Iran is impossible to escape, but realistically what would happen is Trump activates the draft, and every state would say "No, fuck off" and that would be the end of it. The states have to enforce the federal draft because they're the ones that run the boot camps and recruitment drives which means the onus is on them to do anything.

Here what would happen: Trump would activate the draft and immediately millions of Poopbeeshj's and Pacos would flee across the border leaving a trail of brown curry and taco tuesday behind them. States economies would instantly collapse being roughly 40-60% migrant labor, and every state would tell Trump to fuck himself. It turns out balancing the entire world on migrant slave labor may have some benefits.

>>1507221
>what would happen is Trump activates the draft, and every state would say "No, fuck off"
You have got to be fucking kidding me.

>>1507226
This war was basically illegally started and is so horrifically unpopular it makes Vietnam look universally approved. There is no fucking way starting a draft for it doesn't end in failure or Trump's removal.

>>1507227
Has trump done anything outrageously illegal that he received implicit support from republicans for? With social media, people are easier to propagandize and divide than ever. So many republican states are in the absolute shitter and their voters keep electing republicans despite their track record. Republicans did not stop him after his attempted coup, now we’re talking about Glorious War vs Islam? Nothing about this says that it will be stopped if it’s introduced. Will it be sent to the courts to be overturned? The courts that he packed with his toadies? Nothing is looking good.

>>1507228
>Nothing is looking good.
A bunch of retarded Incel chuds getting fed into an Iranian meatgrinder seems to be a good outcome for everyone involved

>>1507227
When did we last legally start a war?
When Obama was drone striking Libya did he have congressional approval?

>whatabout everyone but trump
Who's asking for a trillion dollars at the expense of programs that help americans?
trump

>>1507233
Ah, you're pretending Obama's limited drone strikes are equivalent to every Republicunt president starting a full scale boots on the ground war
Keep sucking that Israeli dick

>>1507228
>republican states in the shitter
democrat states aren't any better with their crime ridden cities

>>1507301
Yeah, but the offset in tourism dollars from red state residents imagining fake crimes is regained from international people not wanting to visit red states, so we're actually doing fine.
Its not like we're dealing with all the crime, graft, and retardation red states are.