>Virginia vote is part of a national redistricting battle

The redistricting in Texas led to a burst of redistricting nationwide. So far, Republicans believe they can win up to nine more House seats in newly redrawn districts in Texas, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio. Democrats think they can win up to five more seats in California, where voters approved a similar mid-decade redistricting effort last November, and one more seat under new court-imposed districts in Utah.

Democrats hope to offset the rest of that gap in Virginia, where they decisively flipped 13 seats in the state House and won back the governor’s office last year.

Tuesday’s narrow victory for Democrats contrasted with last fall’s vote in California, where a Democratic redistricting plan passed by a nearly 29-point margin.

“As we saw in California, when voters have a say, they are rejecting Republicans’ attempt to rig the system,” said U.S. Rep. Suzan DelBene, of Washington state, who is chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Republicans pledged to continue the battle over Virginia’s new map in court.

“Serious legal questions remain about both the wording of this referendum and the process used to put it before voters,” Virginia House Republican Minority Leader Terry Kilgore said. “Those questions have not been resolved, and they now move where they belong: to the courts.”

U.S. Rep. Richard Hudson, of North Carolina, who is chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee, said the “close margin reinforces that Virginia is a purple state that shouldn’t be represented by a severe partisan gerrymander.”

The back-and-forth redistricting battle also could continue in Florida, where the Republican-led Legislature is to convene April 28 for a special session that could result in more favorable congressional districts for Republicans.

>Voters focus on fairness, with different perspectives

The campaign over Virginia’s redistricting referendum focused heavily on fairness.

Republicans argued that it was unfair to gerrymander Virginia’s districts to Democrats’ advantage. But Democrats argued that they were creating a fairer election landscape nationally by counteracting Republican gerrymandering elsewhere.

Matt Wallace, of Alexandria, said he voted for the Democratic redistricting amendment “to help balance the scales a bit until things get back to normal.”

But Ruth Ann McCartney, who voted in the town of South Hill just a few miles north of the North Carolina border, said she cast her ballot against the amendment.

“I look at it more as we don’t have the population as northern Virginia,” she said. “And as a rural area, we just need to be heard.”


>A lobster-like district could aid Democratic efforts

In Virginia, Democrats currently hold six of the 11 U.S. House seats under districts that were imposed by the state Supreme Court in 2021 after a bipartisan commission failed to agree on a map based on the latest census data.

The new plan could help Democrats win as many as 10 seats. Five seats are anchored in the Democratic stronghold of northern Virginia, including one stretching out like a lobster to consume Republican-leaning rural areas. Revisions to four other districts across Richmond, southern Virginia and Hampton Roads dilute the voting power of conservative blocs in those areas. And a reshaped district in parts of western Virginia lumps together three Democratic-leaning college towns to offset other Republican voters.

Democrats portrayed the Virginia redistricting as a response to Trump. Ads for the “yes to redistricting” campaign featuring former President Barack Obama flooded the airwaves.

>>1507947
>Gerrymandering is OK when we do it
We know. All of your false complaints exist so you can obtain power.

>>1507950
>NOOO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT BACK
Republicons shouldn't have rigged Texas under cover of darkness claiming trump was 'entitled to 5 seats'
Reap what you sow.

>>1507950
Listen intellectually handicapped person, you move the line, and I move it over here and then you move the line over there and I move it over here.

Do you understand it now, President tRump?

>>1507952
You need to be the bigger person and stick to your morals.
>>1507953
So you're saying we should start ballot harvesting in red states to ensure we win and importing illegals to gain more seats?
That sounds unhealthy for the nation.
>Texas did it
Be the bigger person.

>>1507966
>The far right wingimmoral group that is literally being lead by the anti-Christ is now lecturing other people on morals.
LMAO, evil is getting fucked by America and their democratic allies.

>>1507952
>Republicons shouldn't have rigged Texas under cover of darkness claiming trump was 'entitled to 5 seats'
>Reap what you sow.
Republicans redistricted Texas in 2020, when Biden was president. Its been held up in litigation since then.

>>1507947
>Repubs start gerrymandering redistributing war on Trump's orders
>Trump makes Repubs more unpopular than ever at the same time
>End result is they literally lost a house seat
L M A O

>>1507968
Okay class, quiz time. How is this republican fascist trying to gloss over republicans in texas overriding the will of the people with their 2025 gerrymander where trump specifically said they were 'entitled' to 5 seats?

>>1507970
Texas tried to redistrict in 2020. Democrats in Virginia went from winning by +15 to +5.

These are the facts.

>>1507972
See
>>1507971

>>1507971
The democratically elected Governor and democratically elected state legislature decided in 2020 to redistrict Texas. It got held up in litigation for the past five years, Texas just won and is now doing what the people elected their leaders to do.

These are the facts.

>>1507976
If this were really democratic, they would put it up to a referendum.
Also, this was 2025, you can keep lying, but it only makes you look worse.

>>1507977
>If this were really democratic, they would put it up to a referendum.
They did, the "referendum" happens every two to four years. We call them "elections".

>Also, this was 2025
Nope, 2020 with the lawsuit filed in 2021.
https://thearp.org/litigation/united-states-v-texas/

>>1507979
So you damit republicans didn't do a referendum and override the will of the people. Gotcha.

Keep lying, it was 2025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Texas_redistricting
Also the Republican supreme court rubber stamped it since they're just as corrupt.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/12/supreme-court-allows-texas-to-use-redistricting-map-challenged-as-racially-discriminatory/
This is where you move the goalposts or attack the source since you're caught dead to rights.

Reminder, this is all your fault, reap what you sow.

>>1507982
>So you damit republicans didn't do a referendum and override the will of the people
Its a representative democracy, you dont need to a referendum.

>Keep lying, it was 2025
I literally gave you the court case.

>Reminder, this is all your fault, reap what you sow.
I accept your terms.

>>1507983
So you're against democracy, gotcha.
I accept your defeat.

>>1507986
>be pajeet
>not understand what representative democracy is
>seethe, cope, and shit on the floor
Many such cases.

>>1507987
>Gets BTFO
>Resorts to straw men because he's been exposed as another far right wing democracy hater
Surrender accepted

>>1507992
>>Gets BTFO
>>Resorts to straw men
*ahem*
>So you're against democracy, gotcha.
>I accept your defeat.

>>1507952
You're still gonna lose, faggot.

>>1507994
Thanks for confirming everything I said about you. You only have yourself to blame.

>>1507996
I'm sure trump's next coup is going to go as swimmingly as his last one.

States with ZERO Republican representatives:
Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Vermont. Now Virginia is gerrymandered.

But Texas is the problem.

>>1508002
States with ZERO Democratic representatives:
Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Now Texas, Missouri and Ohio are even more gerrymandered specifically because trump ordered them to do it bypassing the voters by refusing to do a referendum.
Yes, Republicans, specifically Texas, are to blame, and now you're seething Democrats are fighting back.

>>1508003
>Now Texas, Missouri and Ohio are even more gerrymandered specifically because trump ordered them to do it bypassing the voters by refusing to do a referendum.
Its incredible how you shills just copy+paste the literal talking point from your scripts with no thought or creativity whatsoever.

>>1507997
>hurr Texas is redistricting on Trumps orders so thats why Democrats have to gerrymander states into oblivion!
>Actually, Texas started redistricting in 2020 after the census.
>NO THAT DOESNT COUNT ITS NOT THE SAME

>>1508006
>>1508009
>Shills seething when it's pointed that that Republicans not only rigged more states but republicans continued to rig them in 2025 on the order of trump.
Keep seething, democracy is finally fighting back against your dirty tricks.

>>1508017
>yeah so you redistricted because you got more congressional seats from a census and thats literally EVIL so we're going to gerrymander the fuck out of our states in response
Btw, the YES vote won by ~3% in a state democrats carried by 15%. Ruminate on that.

>>1508019
>The majority wins elections
I know this is a shocking revelation given Republicans will lose elections and still get all the seats because of how they rigged things.
https://isthmus.com/downloads/53386/download/News-Dem-Election2-11152108.jpg

>>1508022
>heh we won by 3% so we get to disenfranchise 47% of the population

>>1508024
>t. doesn't know how democracy works
I love it when conservatives cry foul when they're forced to play by the rules of an actual democracy that they can't cheat and rig.

>>1508025
>when we gerrymander its GOOD
>when you redistrict its EVIL
Keep it up. Vote share has already degraded 13%.

>>1508027
>NOOOO, YOU CAN'T GERRYMANDER. ONLY WE DESERVE TO DO IT.
Seethe harder. Also given trump and all his esptein class dark money tried to buy off the election, and still failed. You should be more worried about that.

>>1508025
>I love it when conservatives cry foul when they're forced to play by the rules of an actual democracy that they can't cheat and rig.
First "conservative" isnt a thing in American politics. There are "conservatives" in both parties. Get your terminology right, foreigner.

Second, Virginia just did the most aggressive gerrymander in US history. From 6D-5R to 10D-1R in a state that is split almost 50-50 along party lines. Texas was redrawing its map to add 2 seats in a 38 seat state. Its not even in the same universe.

In terms of pure morality, Virginias actions are immoral while what Texas did less so. You can repost all your canned talking points, but most Americans are pretty fucking disgusted by what just happened in Virginia and todays vote-totals show it.

>>1508028
>>NOOOO, YOU CAN'T GERRYMANDER. ONLY WE DESERVE TO DO IT.
The problem here is that Texas didn't actually gerrymander.

In Virginia Democrats get one seat for every 5% of voters, Republicans get a seat for every 46% of voters. That's a gerrymander.

In Texas Democrats get one seat for every 3.38% of voters and Republicans get one for every 2.24% of voters.

This shit is off putting to normal people, and its going to show in the midterms. Also, it doesn't fucking matter because based on the upcoming census Republicans will almost definitely have a permanent majority baked into the House for the next decade.

>>1508029
>>1508031
>There are no conservatives
>It wasn't a gerrymander
Now this is funny gas lighting and projection.
Also Texas's gerrymander is the most egregious since they did it in 2025 under direct orders of trump specifically to steal seats in an attempt to cling to power and subvert the will of the people by refusing to put it up for a referendum. Your pearl clutching doesn't mean jack shit when struck first blood against democracy.
Conservatives started this war, but Americans will see it end.

>>1508032
>>There are no conservatives
Okay, so maybe English is not your first language. Read what I said
>there are conservatives in both parties

>It wasn't a gerrymander
No, what Virginia did is 100% a gerrymander. What Texas did is redistricting. I've shown you the numbers - Texas divided up voters to seat almost 50-50.

Shits disgusting.

>>1508032
>since they did it in 2025 under direct orders of trump specifically to steal seats
Are you just reposting talking points from Microsoft Teams?

Texas started redistricting in 2021. Joe Biden was President at that time.

>>1508033
>>1508034
>Now the shill is trying to use semantics to cope
>Or just Russian propaganda tactics now
No matter how much you try to weasel out of your own sins, the facts remains.
Conservatives in Texas did a gerrymander of Texas 2025 under the direct orders of trump.
You only have yourselves to blame for the fact that America decided to fight back against your attempts to steal 2026.

>>1508035
>the facts remains.
Yeah, English is not your mother tongue.

>Conservatives in Texas did a gerrymander of Texas 2025 under the direct orders of trump.
Again, this started in 2021 and, again, splitting seats 45% to 50% in a state that votes R +10 is not a gerrymander.

>>1508038
>Projecting and again ignoring the 2025 Texas gerrymander because it totally destroys his house of card defense.
If you're using /news/ to test run damage control spin over Virginia deciding to fight back against conservatives gerrymandering to rig the 2026 election for trump.
LOL, you shills are in deep shit because the normalfags are wising up your propaganda tactics.

>>1508040
>Virginia fighting back!
>48% of Virginians voted against it
>it a state where Democrats win by ~15%

>>1508043
>Virginia is fighting back
>Majority of Virginians support the measure
Welcome to actual democracy.
And not the conservative tyranny of the minority that you're demanding that conservative gerrymandering enforce.
https://isthmus.com/downloads/53386/download/News-Dem-Election2-11152108.jpg

>>1508040
Just passing by to tell you that most normal Americans see what Abigail Spanberger and Virginia Democrats have done as being deeply cynical.

No one cares that Republicans in Texas are redrawing maps to create Hispanic-majority districts that vote Republican and pick up two or three seats in the House. Most people, like myself, do care that Democrats via a simple majority disenfranchised ~40% of their voters.

>>1508046
you're literally not american

>>1508045
>heh so 53% of us voted to prevent the slim minority from having a say in Congress. This is very moral and good.

>>1508046
Source?

>>1508047
You got me, I'm Swazi and I'm here to shill for a Great eSwatini.

Doesn't change the fact that Virginia Democrats just did the most undemocratic thing possible.

>>1508048
if you're going to blame someone, blame the conservatives in Texas for gerrymandering their state under orders from trump to steal 2026 for him.

>>1508051
No, I'm going to blame Virginia democrats for silencing the voices of ~47% of their state. I'm not going to blame Texas Republicans for splitting their Congressional seats 66% to 34%, because at least Texas Democrats get to have representatives in Congress.

>>1508050
please get a real job, your mother will finally stop resenting you

>>1508053
I pay more in taxes than you make in a year. Trust me, I'm good.

>>1508054
thanks for letting us know about another lie of yours

>>1508052
>I'm going to blame everyone, but my own side, Texas conservatives, that started this.
Glad you admit to that.

>>1507967
>We're the good guys!
>We do evil things to get the bad guys
>What are the bad guys doing?
>Trying to mind their own business and not deal with raging weirdos.
Sane, rational and not a secular cult at all.

>>1507977
They did, it passed with the fake and gay 49-51 shit.

>>1508057
>>1508058
>Bad guys are seething that their own weapon is turned on them.
>And done in a democratic way, unlike what conservatives do where they slam their gerrymanders through without voter approval under cover of darkness.
The ironing.

>>1508061
>Fucking over people in Virginia is proper because Texas did it.
Attempting to justify evil simply makes you more evil.

>>1508063
Nah, it's your fault for starting this.
Virginia is taking the courageous step of standing up to your anti democratic schemes.

>>1508064
>starting this
Look at this Saturday morning cartoon villain over here.
>I must destroy democracy to save it! mwuahahaha!

>>1508065
>Look at this Saturday morning cartoon villain over here.
But enough about trump and conservatives

>>1508064
I didn't start anything. You're chasing windmills again.

FYI the amendment only triggers if another state redistricts before 2030 without a court order, meaning if other states want to stop Virginia from redistricting all they have to do is not redistrict (or get a court order to do so). I think it's neat that it has an off-ramp if everyone decides to chill and stop playing retarded games. Unfortunately it seems politicians are too dumb to use off-ramps anymore, and would rather double down to win retarded prizes.

>>1508067
>Windmills
Why do trump and conservatives hate them so much? Do they think they're democracies too?

>>1508066
>I am rubber, you are glue tier responses
I don't understand why conservatives haven't embraced fascism already if it's obvious dems are going to cheat at every given opportunity.

>>1508070
>Trying to pretend conservatives aren't fascist and cheating.
>"I deserve 5 more seats"

>>1507979
referendums and elections are not specifically the same thing

>>1508068
The ideal solution to is have all states be drawn up by non partisan commissions, but conservatives will never agree to that because if elections were free and fair, they'd lose.

MIGA in full meltdown that the American people have turned their own tactics against them.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-melts-down-after-disgusting-blow-to-trump/
Also they're blaming the black guy, because they just can't stop being racist.

>>1508033
>Texas divided up voters to seat almost 50-50
In a gerrymandering practice called cracking.

Gerrymandering comes in 2 flavors, packing and cracking.

>>1507952
texas gerrymandered to counter the rigging in Democrat states. Texas AFTER gerrymandering would have the same proportional representation as California did BEFORE they did their latest bout of gerrymandering.

>>1508101
If you're going to lie, at least be a little less obvious.

>>fight back by gerrymandering
District lines should follow natural geographical or manmade physical borders and ideally be circular or hexagonal in nature.

Compare the old and new VA districts and they are obviously worse.

>>1508104
They’re gerrymandering in response to gerrymandering. Both sides need to agree not to do it but even if Trump agreed not to he’d just do it anyway

>>1508104
No they shouldn't. People don't live in neat, evenly distributed hexagons. There are plenty of legit reasons for districts to have interesting geography.

If your goal is fairness, they should be drawn up by nonpartizan groups so they make sense.

However, fuck fairness, that went out the window when one party elected an insane psychopathic pedophile that nakedly enriches himself and his friends above our interests. That party needs to shrivel up and die.

BuT tHaTs FaCiSm

*looks at overreach of executive orders. Looks at Threats made against news stations broadcast licenses. Looks at Americans being deported. Looks at massive, over-funded, under-trained private army sent to brutalized political opponents. Looks at bomb threats called into last election, the unconstitutional poll tax the right is trying to push by requiring IDs to vote.*

'Kay. I'll go with the objectively better fascist then, the one that won't blow up the world's economy and threaten the petrodollar.

>>1508048
If they're 48% they can convince enough people to flip those seats.

>>1507947
>the good guys
Democrats official platform is 'lesser of 2 evils'
there are no good guys.

>>1508101
Don't care Texas shouldn't have started the fight.
It's cute watching how Republicans start screeching about fairness the second dems actually get their heads out of their asses and actually fight back

>>1508105
>but even if Trump agreed not to he’d just do it anyway
This is the biggest sticking point, trump will break any deal he makes.

>>1508131
Its worse than that.
California held a state vote. Virginia had a state vote. A majority of voters in each state decided they wanted to update their elections through established processes.

Texas and Florida didn't hold votes. Their shitty legislatures just did it and chose their own voters.

MAGA is so programmed they're complaining that other states aren't raping their voters like they're getting raped.

>>1508163
Conservatives are just anti democratic.
Like in states that they control where voters are using referendums to push through laws that the people want, but conservatives don't.
Conservatives are now trying to make it harder for the people to do them.
>>1504443

Everything Trump touches turns to shit.

>>1508163
Why yes, their elected representatives did what they were elected to do.

>>1508104
>>1508119
>If your goal is fairness, they should be drawn up by nonpartizan groups so they make sense.
If your goal is fairness, people should be fucking randomly assigned virtual districts and geography shouldn't be involved at all.

That'd also reduce the incentive for corruption where reps trade votes on shitty policies for local favors/carve outs.

>>1508176
Agreed, now get Republicans to do it. They won't unless they're on their knees.

>>1508163
Can't be a conservative without being a hypocrite
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-hypocrites-exposed-after-president-donald-trumps-disastrous-defeat-on-virginia-redistricting-vote/
This is the same group that was bragging about their gerrymandering of Texas and other states they control without putting it forward to a vote.

>>1508177
Democrats don’t have to agree to it either. The Republican gerrymanders will be challenged and some overturned because they’re not fair, but the Democrat gerrymanders are mandated by direct democracy and aren’t anywhere near as challengable

>>1508180
It's pretty clear the democrats don't want to gerrymander, but republicans are giving them no choice but to do it.
This is one of the few times democrats haven't rolled over for republicans rigging the system.

>>1508180
>The Republican gerrymanders will be challenged and some overturned because they’re not fair
SCOTUS already said partisan gerrymandering is legal and they're about to strike own the VRA. The fuck are you talking about?

Also, let us not forget that Dems pushed to outlaw gerrymandering before nationally and Republicans blocked it.

>>1508102
58% of Californians voted for Harris. 86% of California's Reps are Democrats and that is BEFORE redistricting.

56% of Texans voted for Trump. 65% of Texas Reps are Republican.

sorry, looks like yet another thread where leftists are BTFO by objective reality!

>>1508131
>Texas shouldn't have started the fight
you said this as a reply to a comment that pointed out Texas did not start the fight. You need to update your script.

>>1508293
you sure do project a lot, shill anon

>>1508293
Crazy, so if thats the case why do Republicunts keep voting against banning gerrymandering?
Why does MIGA want this outcome?

Interesting how leftists accuse conservatives of hypocracy yet will try to convince people there are over 500 genders. I thought you guys were the "trust the science" party? Ever heard of the scientific branch of biology?

>>1508305
>Interesting how leftists accuse conservatives of hypocracy
Not really. Leftists also accuse the sky of being blue.
>Ever heard of the scientific branch of biology?
Gender is a biological concept?

>>1508293
Rightoid Texans shouldn't have started yet another war they can't win.

>>1508310
>>1508305
>Least obvious samefagging

Shocking no one, the pedophile occupying the white house, trump, is having a total meltdown since Americans handed him another rebuke over his attempt to steal the 2026 election.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-melts-down-at-rigged-election-after-his-plot-backfires-in-virginia/

>>1508311
did you reply to the wrong thread? This is about Texans fighting against a war that Democrats started
>>1508298
>keep voting against banning gerrymandering
they don't but you're a bot who doesn't actually read bills
>>1508295
You're a bot who doesn't even know what you just wrote

>>1508331
Texans starting unnecessary wars, pretending they're not the aggressor, losing, and demanding that the US bail them out of their own problems is pretty spot on for Texas
Please continue.

>>1508332
>gets objectively BTFO
>changes the topic
lol. We're talking about a war that Texas did not start. Why do you want to change the topic?

>>1508333
>past pretending Texas isn't the aggressor and onto coping over losing
on schedule

>>1508233
They should have a referendum in Texas for if they want an independent body to fix all the districts properly. Texans are good people and fair minded they’ll go for that

>>1508331
Why are you lying so brazenly? Texas started this war and now as usual, rightoids are playing the victim when they're losing.

>>1508343
>Texans are good people and fair minded they’ll go for that
It's a shame the far right conservatives that control the state will never let the people decide that or allow democracy to flourish there.

>muh Texas
Texas didn't redistrict and the proposed districts were less gerrymandered than the current ones.

>>1508354
Proof?

>>1508346
>Texas started this war
Did Texas disenfranchise 90% of Democrat voters and 48% of its population?

>>1508368
Who was the first to gerrymander?

>>1508368
>That makes it right for us to do it!!!
Fuck you, cunt.

>>1508335
>>1508346
I accept your concession
>>1508376
see >>1508293

>>1508368
>48% of its population?
Complaining about how much of the population didn't vote for the measure is meaningless. I can say the same about 48% of the country not wanting Trump in power.

FFS at least Virginia actually put it to a vote.

>>1508376
>>1508379
Answer the question.

>>1508394
I'm not complaining about how much of the population didnt vote. I'm complaining that 48% of the population no longer has a voice in democracy.

Is this moral?

>>1508396
>Answer the question.
It's not relevant.

>>1508396
It sure is moral. Its always moral to make up stories that make you feel good - but you have to remember they're just made up.
48% of the population still has a voice in democracy.

>>1508397
Of course its "not relevant" because answering the question would be to concede how toxic Virginias action is for democracy.

>>1508398
>48% of the population still has a voice in democracy.
If a Southern state redraws their maps to dilute black votes thereby ensuring that white voters hold the majority in all districts, those blacks still have a voice in democracy and its totally okay?

>>1508401
>describes constitutionally illegal gerrymandering
do you want to have an actual argument, or do you want to keep throwing a tantrum?

>>1508402
So, its moral to gerrymander Republican voters, but its not moral to gerrymander Democrat voters?

>>1508401
I;m pretty sure southern blacks still don't vote Democrat because of the KKK and Jim Crow shit.
Look at the demographics of the south before commenting.

>>1508405
Is your argument that this is unfair because all democrat voters are black?
Because that makes no sense.

>>1508406
>I;m pretty sure southern blacks still don't vote Democrat because of the KKK and Jim Crow shit.
I'm 100% sure you're not American, considering what you just said.

>>1508405
I'd argue that gerrymandering out of revenge is completely amoral, and ignoring your principles because you think "someone else did it" is despicable.

>>1508407
I've noticed libshits do this thing where the second they know they are going to be forced to reveal their hypocrisy, they pretend not to understand the simplest of arguments.

If you redraw districts to ensure that a group of peoples vote is so diluted that they cannot choose their representatives, is that moral or immoral?

>>1508414
Well, yeah dude, you're not a massive piece of shit.

>>1508415
no, you only have one way to win this fake argument, so you're trying to pretend morality has a point here

I'm enjoying seeing you tricked into supporting a ban of partisan gerrymandering. I completely agree that should be enacted.

>>1508409
What?

>>1508418
So you concede that what Virginia just did - stripping 48% of the population of the right to choose their representatives - is immoral?

>>1508420
No, thats not what I said at all.

I said partisan gerrymandering should be outlawed across all states. Do you disagree?

>>1508421
And why should it be outlawed, is it perchance immoral?

>>1508422
Please define morality under Virginian state law.

>>1508423
>losing argument (badly)
>u...uhm... define that word
>u.... uhm... I dont understand the argument

>>1508423
Real morality has never been tried.

>>1508426
So you're not aware of whats immoral under Virginian law, but you're claiming that this law is immoral?
Do you make many arguments without basis for it?

And again, do you agree that partisan gerrymandering should be outlawed? Its a simple yes/no question.

>>1508427
Shhh, don't let the shill get off the morality argument

>>1508428
>So you're not aware of whats immoral under Virginian law,
What Virginia Democrats just did, a court just struck it down. lol. lmao even.

> do you agree that partisan gerrymandering should be outlawed?
Why should it be outlawed. Say it. Admit that what just happened in Virginia is not only fundamentally undemocratic but plainly immoral.

>>1508428
>morality argument
Its not an argument. Either you're decent American who is fucking disgusted by what Democrats just did. Or you're a piece of shit. Its really that simple.

So what are you?

>>1508421
>Do you disagree?
It is though. And what was done in MuH fUGGING TEXASS was ruled to be legit.
This Democrap is already being halted for it's, notably Democrat, misleading ballot. Then it will have to clear other challenges. With liggerals shouting like howling pigs, "Vengeance is ours!!!" exposing the tactic is in response by Virginia's politicians to negatively affect Virginians due to a perceived aggreesion by of Texas, I doubt it will be upheld.
And the entire thing makes Democrats look like what they are: power hungry scum.

>>1508429
>What Virginia Democrats just did, a court just struck it down. lol. lmao even.
Challenges against the referendum were struck down by the VA Supreme Court twice. This is just a MIGA judge throwing a bitch fit.

>>1508430
>>1508431
lmao, rage harder at completely playing yourself

>>1508428
>Shhh, don't let the shill get off the morality argument
I'm not. I'm poking fun at the communists who use the "define" tactic. It started with communism.
Real communism being a fantasy, whereas in practice real communism does exactly what it's designed to do and allows the government totalitarian control over the populace by controlling all resources.

>>1508432
I have a fucked up trackpad that jumps around and I didn't proof read that post. I'm going to delete it and repost but also, I'm not in Virginia or Texas. This doesn't affect me.
However, it seems the party of "Intelligence, love and morality" has a mean streak and they're willing to fuck over voters at the drop of a hat because of their grievences.

>>1508437
So support a nationwide ban on partisan gerrymandering.
If your masters let you

>>1508439
Deport all the illegals and I'll consider it.
Fact remains, there's not morality in depriving others of their vote because you think someone else thousands of miles away did it.
Politicians who are immature and engage in revenge tactics should be censured, removed form office and hanged as traitors.

>>1508440
>not morality
no morality

You don't really care about it, you're just bitching because you're programmed to
lmao, shills get paid

>>1508442
>there's not morality
There is not morality
It's a typo, but it still works.

And no I do care because Democrats will betray their entire system of stated beliefs to gain power.
It's terrifying. And I'll do the only things I'm capable of, complaining, and voting to keep Democrats away from holding any power.

>>1508393
>>1508396
Answer the question.
Who was first to gerrymander, Texas or Virginia?

>>1508447
Relevance?

>>1508449
I noticed you're refusing to answer that because it destroys your argument.
Concession accepted

>>1508447
Relevance?
Is the fact that this is revenge-based gerrymandering really a good thing to highlight?
Do you think it makes you look any better?
Explain your goal here, queer.

>>1508452
So you confess Texas gerrymandered first and is to blame.
Thank you for proving this is the republican's fault.

>>1508453
Texas didn't gerrymander Virginia though.
So, answer my question: "Does revenge-based gerrymandering look good on your part, and will it hold up in court?"
AnSwEr ThE qUeStIOn!!!

>>1508456
Texas gerrymandered first under trump's orders. Virginia had a right to respond, so if you're going to blame anyone for this. It's Texas.
But you're doing the classic conservative move of the aggressor pretending they're the victim.
Absolutely disgusting and shameless.

>>1508458
They can only pretend its bad to act in 'revenge' because they don't have any other argument

>>1508458
So your saying it's OK to hurt Virginia's voters because you think Texas did it?
I get you keep saying it's revenge-based.
But I think you're wrong to attack Virginians due to the actions of Texas and I want you and people like you soooo far away from political power.

>>1508461
Your revenge is affecting who again?

>>1508462
>Only Texas should be allowed to do it.
That's not how it works, Texas shouldn't have done it at all, so everything that happens now is their fault.

>>1508465
No one?

>>1508458
This retard really thinks gerrymandering started with Texas.

>>1508467
How many Texans or Texas politicians reside and vote in Virginia, my bloodthirsty, retarded friend?

>>1508469
>We are entitled to 5 more seats

>>1508472
I dunno, I don't live in Texas or Virginia. Do you?

>>1508482
Nope, but your revenge is affecting people thousands of miles away who had nothing to do with Texas.
Do you understand?

>>1508481
>Meanwhile, California silently hoarded more illegals for more seats

>>1508484
No, because I'm not involved with the process at all and I'm not getting any revenge, so your whole thing is performative retardation.

Keep going.

>>1508485
You mean all those illegal votes for trump?
Yeah, it's clear he stole 2024.
Imagine being so greedy you want to rig things more by having Texas gerrymander mid decade.

>>1508486
No you are not involved in the process, but you're not denouncing it and cackling madly about revenge.
So, your simply scum of the Earth.

>>1508487
Voting aside, if you understand that illegals aren't excluded for congressional apportionment, then yo'll understand what I'm saying.
If you do not understand it, maybe it leads to a stupid shipost like yours devoid of any intelligence, humor or any value, taking up precious bits and bytes Internets to rest in the archive displaying your retardation, until the end of the Internets.

>>1508489
>but you're not denouncing it and cackling madly about revenge
this is factually wrong too
you're bad at this

>>1508492
>who done it first? he cried repeatedly
hmm. go die.

>>1508493
It doesn't matter who did it first.
Its legal and both parties are doing it.
Whats the problem?

>>1508494
>problem?
read the above posts if you;re bored and quit bothering me to keep your thread bumped.

>>1508495
Yeah, you already got BTFO and refuse to support a nationwide ban on partisan gerrymandering.
I just want to see how long I can keep your shitty tantrum going

>>1507947
>console war thread
into the trash it goes

>>1508458
>Texas gerrymandered first under trump's orders.
Texas has not gerrymandered. They have a *proposed* map that moves 5 seats from being either swing-seats or lean-D into the R column. The end result would be Texas Republicans get ~60% of the vote and 66% of seats and Texas Democrats get ~40% of the vote and 34% of the seats.

Virginia, on the other hand, he systematically destroyed all Republican seats except one. Now Virginia Republicans get 48% of the vote and <10% of the seats and Virginia Democrats get 52% of the vote and ~90% of the seats.

Factually speaking, Virginia brutally gerrymandered in response to Texas proposing that it would draw a R favorable map.

>>1508496
>Yeah, you already got BTFO and refuse to support a nationwide ban on partisan gerrymandering.
After Democrats just did what they did? lol no. We're going to get rid of the VRA and turn the South red.

>>1508498
>Factually speaking, Virginia was democratically ungerrymandered in response to Texas obeying Trump's command without voter input to draw a R favorable map.
fixed that for you

>>1508500
>ignores facts, evidence and data
>repeats the line he's paid to say

sounds like it'll be really easy for a bipartisan gerrymandering bill to pass congress
shame republicans will shut it down

>>1508503
>brutally gerrymander
>see guys we should ban this thing we just did
Nah.

Red states are projected to get 10 House seats and 8-10 electoral votes from the 2030 census (blue states lose those seats). Permanent house majority for the GOP is 4 years away.

Do what you must in the meantime.

thats the rich schizo sauce

>>1508491
That doesn't change the fact the sitution in OP is directly the fault of trump and the republicans in Texas no matter how much you want to deflect.

>>1508498
>Texas has not gerrymandered.
>Immediately list why Texas is a gerrymander
Wow, republican shills have just given up or are complete ESLs

>>1508497
Nintendo won, trump lost.

>>1508496
Democrats refuse to follow the law so why should I support a law?

>>1508507
Uh are you nuts?

>>1508507
>its your fault we subverted democracy

>>1508513
>Republicans subvert democracy
>Americans fight back fighting fire with fire
>Republicans: NOOO, ONLY WE CAN DO IT
Cope harder.

>>1508515
Texas districts are the same right now as they have always been. Right now only Virginia and other blue states have gerrymandered.

Naturally, we must "fight fire with fire" and redraw the Texas map to be 37-1.

>>1508515
Do your revenge affects people who had nothing to do with Texas? We know you keep highlighting it.

>>1508517
>>1508518
Stop trying to deflect,
Texas started this, America will end it.

I think we should set aside whose fault this is and focus on what really matters which is that Dems just picked up 4 seats and Republicans can get fucked.

That's literally all the justification anyone needs to care about. Seriously when in the past decades have Republicans ever justified dicking over Dems? Y'all don't need to act like the moral fucking high ground matters here. Republicans haven't seen a moral high ground since fucking Eisenhower. Just rub the political win in their faces like they do. They can get bent.

>>1508517
>Naturally, we must "fight fire with fire" and redraw the Texas map to be 37-1.
yes, please, do this
I want to see a blue texas make your head explode

>>1508523
Totally Agree. Texas should respond to this aggressive gerrymander by democrats in California and elsewhere by redrawing their map 37-1. This is totally moral and acceptable.

>>1508527
>blue texas
I strongly encourage Democrats to send all their money to Texas (again)

>>1508526
>why yes, it was a naked power-grab.

>>1508526
>Homosexual schizo posting is back on the menu, gays.
Go do a left wing terrorism and get locked up please.

>>1508523
I'm not deflecting. You're simply a lunatic.

>>1508529
>why yes, it was a naked power-grab
Why yes, Dems did grab power from Republicans who lost power.

Again, get bent and suck a lemon.

>>1508540
Nice admission of guilt. I hope the judge recognizes it too.

>>1507952
You're still not going to win faggot, trump is going to remove your pathetic country from NATO and hand over europe to us on a silver platter, he's our man and works for our government, you americans were so fucking stupid you elected our agent as president LMFAO

>>1508528
>>1508534
Why would you lie, again?
Texas was the first to gerrymander and California rightfully responded to what republicans did.

>>1508543
Aren't you due to be sent to the front lines and die to a drone in Ukraine by putin?

>Republicans: Political Gerrymandering is legal, deal with it libs
>Democrats: Okay
>Republicans: NOOOOO ONLY WE CAN DO IT NOOOOOOOOOOO
this thread is a shill meltdown extravaganza and I love it

>>1508129
>there are no good guys
After Trump, it's now more than impossible for Democrats to be any worse.
So why did Republicans vote for a Democrat in a district in Florida which includes Mar-a-Lago, if all Republicans - no exceptions - are loyal to Trump, cultists?
And use of the acronym 'RINO' immediately invalidates your answer. So think very carefully before answering, MAGAts.

>>1508551
>After Trump, it's now more than impossible for Democrats to be any worse.
You do remember Biden, right? Most people do since it hasn't even been 4 years yet.

>>1508552
and what about hunter's penis??!?

>>1508552
Oh, he's going to find out Biden was better than Trump

>>1508396
>how much of the population didnt vote. I'm complaining that 48% of the population no longer has a voice in democracy
Simple solution: make voting compulsory. If you disagree, then you admit that the Republicans would never get in again if all adults HAD to vote.

>>1508552
Still more than impossible for Democrats to be any worse than a subhuman orange retard.
In the issue the day after the 2020 election, a certain newspaper referred to Biden as 'The voice of reason and sanity'. Which newspaper said that? The Daily Mail

>>1508555
Aside from the Iran war it's been massively better than under Biden, unless you're a foreigner.
And it hasn't been two years yet. By this time during the Biden presidency we were experiencing hyper inflation instead of stability and gas prices were the same if not higher along with all energy costs.
There's simply no compairson. And the puppet president Biden enacted 100% Democrat polcies.

>>1508558
god you're esl

>>1508558
exactly, biden was better

>>1508558
>Aside from the Iran war it's been massively better than under Biden, unless you're a foreigner.
Literally everything costs more, there's a police force fucking brutalizing citizens with zero oversight, and the President is openly corrupt.

>>1508562
lol, yeah, because of simple inflation. I do love liggeral mind tricks though.
Bidenflation caused a massive sharp increase in prices however. There's a huge difference between simple inflation and hyper inflation.
ICE killing fags is a good thing.
And if the president is openly corrupt find the evidence and ensure he's charged.
I think it's possible your one of those wacky homosexual antifa mentally ill assholes. Might wanna get that checked out and get some meds.

>>1508552
>>1508558
>Whatabout anything but trump!
*Taps the post*
https://files.catbox.moe/1nmmn6.jpg
Your attempt to both sides doesn't work when trump is objectively the worst president ever.

https://newrepublic.com/article/209383/trump-virginia-redistricting-democrats-big-win
A great article breaking down what happened and how the conservatively biased media is in full spin going after Democrats for responding to trump and republican's trying to rig the 2026 election.

>>1508564
god, you're esl

Retards actually think comparing Trump to literally any other President doesn’t make Trump look worse

If any of you dipshits honestly think anyone in their right mind is gonna allow The Orange Dildo a third term, then I really hope you're ready to get the shit kicked out of you for wearing your faggot maga shit in public. But most of you are also pussies so I also await a lot of you burning your maga shit and pretending like it was just a troll bro. Either way you should never procreate.

>>1508564
Big tough boy over here. Jesus Christ, go flap your fuckin' Habsburg Jaw somewhere else. Im sure you either need chew or dew, so maybe go dew that while the adults talk

>>1508558
You inbreds would lose the civil war again if we did that, Just so you know.

ITT BIGE MADE FOREIGNERS!!
>>1508566
Not by my standards. That would be Clinton followed closely by Biden, then Bush as the bottom 3.
>>1508582
>The adults
Which ones? The ones that ignore all the facts and constantly act like childish retards?
I don't think those are adults at all.
>>1508583
What?

>>1508587
Esl shill, you have no standards. That's why you have a fake job and no respect

The republican scheme to steal 2026 through extensive mid decade gerrymandering under the impression Democrats would just roll over and accepted it reminds me of this quote.

>“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.” ― Sir Arthur Travers Harris
And given trump and the republicans are the party of fascists, it's very prophetic.

>>1508600
Oversight due to lack of empathy. Same thing is happening in the war with Iran

>>1508600
Good post

>>1508541
>guilt
I don't feel guilty. You seem to have misunderstood me.

>>1508615
I do understand you're incapable of guilt or shame.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/politics/make-dc-square-again-virginia-redistricting-victory-rich-mccormick/65-45eef323-7997-4bf6-9d8c-95d1ccc8d2a4
This is how you get republicans to do the correct thing. Bring them to their knees first.

>>1508600
>foreign nation does X against country Y
>leader in nation Z declares war on country X
>fifty years down the line we discover that Y was bribing/funding/blackmailing the leaders of country Z
Starting to notice some things.

>>1508619
Why would I feel guilt or shame for something I support?

You're not supposed to support shit that would make you feel guilt or shame, bastard. You'd know that if you weren't a Republican.