The breaking point for Mr. Phelan, who often said that he and Mr. Trump texted and talked on the phone regularly, came in the last two weeks as the president’s frustration over Mr. Phelan’s management of his prized battleship program grew and Mr. Phelan’s enemies in the Pentagon, including Mr. Hegseth and Deputy Defense Secretary Stephen A. Feinberg, mounted a campaign to force him out.

Earlier this month, Mr. Hegseth and Mr. Feinberg told Mr. Trump that the Navy secretary was not a team player and needed to go, military officials said. Mr. Trump called Mr. Phelan to talk about his poor relationship with other leaders in the Pentagon.

Mr. Feinberg and Mr. Hegseth had recently seized some decision-making authority from Mr. Phelan, tapping a three-star admiral to oversee the Navy’s submarine portfolio and having him report directly to Mr. Feinberg.
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That left Mr. Phelan with oversight of a major investment in new ships that Mr. Trump has called a “golden fleet,” built around the president’s beloved battleship program.

Presidents rarely pay close attention to military procurement, but Mr. Trump has spoken repeatedly about his plans for a new “Trump-class” battleship. In a February speech to soldiers at Fort Bragg, N.C., Mr. Trump insisted that he had helped design the new class of ships that bear his name.

“I put a little more spirit in the hull,” Mr. Trump told the troops. “I want that ship to look gorgeous, you know.”

For Mr. Trump, the ships recalled “Victory at Sea,” a documentary television series that ran in the 1950s and touted the role that battleships and other Navy vessels played in World War II.

“Did you ever see ‘Victory at Sea?’ ” he mused to reporters in January when talking about the new battleships. “What a great thing that is to watch!”

Mr. Phelan played a prominent role in selling Mr. Trump on the new ships and his ambitious plans for revitalizing the U.S. Navy’s fleet and the U.S. shipbuilding industry.

In his confirmation hearing last year, Mr. Phelan said that the president often texted him late at night to ask him about “rusty ships or ships in a yard” and what Mr. Phelan was going to do about them. Before the Navy settled on its plans for the Trump-class battleship, Mr. Phelan wooed the president to the idea by showing oil paintings of some of the service’s great battleships from earlier eras, defense officials said.

In its $1.5 trillion defense budget, released earlier this week, the Trump administration is asking for $65.8 billion for shipbuilding, the second-largest shipbuilding budget proposal since 1955, according to Congressional Budget Office data.

The Navy is also projecting that it will be asking for $17 billion in fiscal year 2028 to start construction on the first of the Trump class, Navy officials said.

But senior defense officials said the program, along with Mr. Trump’s ambitious plans for his golden fleet, was marred by problems. The U.S. shipbuilding industry has nowhere near the capacity to build a technologically advanced battleship of the sort Mr. Trump is envisioning in the next few years, senior military officials said.

The Trump administration has failed over the last 16 months to nominate anyone to serve as assistant secretary for research, development and acquisition — who is supposed to oversee the Navy’s weapons programs. And the Navy’s civilian work force, which plays a critical role in developing and testing new warships, has been devastated by cuts and early retirements, military officials said.

In the days after Mr. Trump announced his plans for the new battleships, defense experts raised questions about whether they would ever be built.

“The ship’s purported characteristics are so extraordinary that the announcement will surely spark immense discussion,” wrote Mark F. Cancian, an expert on military budgeting with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “However, there is little need for said discussion because this ship will never sail.”

The ship would take “years to design,” Mr. Cancian noted. “A future administration will cancel the program before the first ship hits the water.”

In Mr. Trump’s imagination the new warship would be massive, weighing as much as 40,000 tons, and would be packed with new high-tech weapons, like lasers, hypersonic missiles and electric rail guns, most of which are still in development and years from being deployed.

In recent weeks, it had become clear to Mr. Phelan that the Navy and the U.S. shipbuilding industry did not have the ability to deliver on Mr. Trump’s vision. Mr. Phelan recently suggested to Mr. Trump that the Navy might have to rely on European shipyards to deliver the battleships on the ambitious timeline Mr. Trump was demanding, senior military and administration officials said.

Mr. Trump rejected the suggestion.

In his December news conference, announcing his plans for the battleships, Mr. Trump had vowed that the vessels — “the largest battleship in the history of the world ever built” — would be made in the United States with U.S. steel.

“We’re going to restore America as a major shipbuilding power,” he said.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Hegseth agreed that the Navy needed new leadership, officials said, and the president asked Mr. Hegseth to handle the resignation.

On Wednesday, Mr. Phelan heard he was being fired and went to the White House to see Mr. Trump, the officials said. He never saw him, but the president later phoned him to confirm the news, the officials added.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump wrote a message on social media that seemed designed to salve his fellow billionaire’s feelings.

“John Phelan is a long time friend, and very successful businessman, who did an outstanding job serving as my Secretary Of The Navy for the last year,” Mr. Trump wrote. “I very much appreciate the job that he has done, and would certainly like to have him back within the Trump Administration sometime in the future.”

A small part of me wants to see these built just to see them be fucking useless.

>>1508752
It's just not feasible for them to even be rushed. An existing battleship has years of production time required for just one, nevermind the biggest one ever. It's more or less physically impossible for a brand new model to be created within Trump's admin, and considering his health and age, probably just his lifetime in general. There's too many moving parts; it's not like a car where you could easily get a factory to produce at least one test model for an idea some shithead like Elon Musk made on a cocktail napkin within a year. It's just too big to make in that time even if you had ChatGPT create the most rushed and shittiest new class within a day.

Of course, Trump doesn't care when someone tells him the impossible is impossible. He just fires them until he can find someone who'll say it's possible then fuck everything up trying to make it happen.

>>1508761
That’s all true, but I more mean them being fucking battleships.
It’s 2026. Battleships are worthless.

>>1508740
Have you seen the movie Sink The Bismarck?
You won't have to worry about your own Bismarck being sunk - and that Kriegsmarine battleship was attacked & damaged beyond use by Fleet Air Arm Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers from the Royal Navy's HMS Ark Royal aircraft carrier - because you'll never have a battleship to sink in the first place. But then as >>1508761 says, it's already sunk from the start.
>Royal Navy
But they have Astute-class submarines that are the Red October in all but MHD, and are armed with one shot one kill Spearfish torpedoes designed to break the spine of any ship.
In war games, an Astute class submarine 'sank' all of the US Navy's carriers & other ships. The PM who has the Royal Navy under his command, including those new submarines: now.
There are already five Astute class submarines operational. Starmer is the new Strong Man. Where is your Bismarck & Tirpitz, Trump?

>>1508752
>built just to see them be fucking useless.

>>1508764
>but I more mean them being fucking battleships.


absolute midwitism. You're both midwits. You're just smart enough to understand a basic principle you were taught
>airpower rendered the battleship obsolete by inverting the logic of concentration: a single, high-value platform of concentrated firepower could be neutralized by widely dispersed, lower-cost offensive power.

But not smart enough to understand stuff that you have to actually go out and find
>A modern “battleship” would not concentrate lethality in armor and guns, but in magazine depth and networked fires—serving as a distributed arsenal node rather than a singular instrument of force.

It totally inverts the principles that rendered the battleship obsolete in the first place. It will sit outside of the battlespace, fling missiles, and use drones. Not complicated.

There you go, an effortpost. You're smarter now.

>>1508769
>A modern “battleship” would not concentrate lethality in armor and guns, but in magazine depth and networked fires—serving as a distributed arsenal node rather than a singular instrument of force.
>It will sit outside of the battlespace, fling missiles, and use drones.
We have those. They're called carriers. They're not called battleships.

>>1508769
I notice you didn't mention the one plausible reason for their posts -- to make that fucking idiot Trump suffer.

You have blinders on.

>>1508771
>carriers
>magazine depth
You're an idiot.

>>1508773
>ur dumb
k
Battleships are big ships with big guns. That's what the word means. We don't need big guns because missiles and planes are better. A ship that stays outside the battlespace and flings missiles and drones isn't a battleship.
Battleships are obsolete. They were obsolete in the 1940s and they're even more obsolete now. They're complete shit. And you can tell they're complete shit because nobody fucking has any anymore, including us.

>>1508776
>Battleships are big ships with big guns
Peak midwit.

The last generation of battleships were that. The proposed next generation will be arsenal ships which can launch ~500 missiles. Navy has been experimenting with the idea since the 1970s.

>>1508778
Great. That's not a battleship.

>>1508778
it's always funny watching you faggots try to string bells and whistles around the dementia addled bullshit trump spews

>>1508779
>That's not a battleship.
Its not 1940 anymore.

>>1508780
Or, maybe, you're not as smart as you think you are. Maybe what Trump has been talking about has been a concept thats been around for a loooong time.

>>1508781
Correct. That's still not a battleship.

>>1508782
case in point, you're still trying to do the impossible

>>1508783
By the definition of the 1940's, modern destroyers are not destroyers.

Definitions change and if you knew the subject matter, you would know that.

>>1508784
>you're still trying to do the impossible
Whats "impossible"?

You know that the Zumwalt Class exists right?

>>1508785
shit and shinola will never coincide, shill

>>1508787
>no argument
Why bother replying?

>>1508788
why do you suck trump's dick? please submit your argument, or i won't bother replying

>>1508789
>please submit your argument,
here >>1508769 and here >>1508778

>>1508785
They do. That's still not a battleship, by the definition of the term we have today.

>>1508790
that's not a reason why you suck trump's dick, that's your imaginary first person view of the lying faggot whose dick you constantly have nestled between your gums. lucky you, i gave you a reply anyways out of pity

>>1508791
>by the definition of the term we have today.
There is no specific USN definition for "battleship". The term is being used to describe a new generation of capital ships, aside from carriers the USN does not have capital ships.

>>1508792
>I have no argument
>I am very angry
Okay, good luck with that.

>>1508794
you definitely don't have an argument. sorry you're angry too

>>1508738
You'll be able to build your battleship immediately, Trump.
If you ask Airfix, Revell or Tamiya to manufacture a model kit for you. You'll have to ask an adult to do the glueing for you, though, as the paste you eat won't be strong enough to hold the plastic parts together.

>>1508796
Do you just come here to impotently vent your rage?

>>1508793
Then your argument is that the word has no meaning. Trump's making fucking whatever, calling it a "battleship," therefore battleships are not obsolete. Except he's basing this delusion on a propaganda film from 1950, but we're ignoring that.
Fucking christ. I'm going to stop giving you (You)s now.

>>1508797
damn, projecting shill, you didn't have to let us know you're impotent too

>>1508769
The Navy has been decentralizing more and more because it turns out: Putting all your eggs in a basket makes the basket have the biggest target on its back ever.

Besides there is still no real counter to submarine or sustained drone warfare.

>Do you just come here to impotently vent your rage?
Nah. I'm just laughing at the projecting shill becoming more and more butthurt at others not taking you & Trump seriously.

>>1508798
>Then your argument is that the word has no meaning.
That is not my argument. My argument is that the meaning of words change. Just like how a WW2 Sims-class destroyer and a contemporary Burke-class destroyer are both "destroyers" but the meaning of the word has changed completely in the last 80 years.

>Except he's basing this delusion on a propaganda film from 1950,
No he is basing the idea on the concept of an Arsenal Ship and the now existing Zumwalt Class.

For people who are actually into naval warfare, his idea is not that crazy at all. Its actually pretty logical.

>>1508801
>there is still no real counter to submarine
There are plenty of hard-counters to submarines. What an idiotic thing to say.

>Putting all your eggs in a basket makes the basket have the biggest target on its back ever.
The battleship idea is predicated on distributed lethality, its a drone node. Its also primarily going to be armed with hypersonics which have a ~3000 mile range, so its going to operate outside of the enemies weapons envelope.

We're literally experimenting with the concept right now with the Zumwalt Class. Holy shit, just google it.

>>1508803
trump is a draft dodging conman who shares none of your naval autism with you, shill. it's actually pretty sad that you're here doing this with us

>>1508800
>>1508802
>mad him so mad he replied twice
kek

>>1508805
>I have no argument and I am really mad at Trump
Try writing about it in your feelings journal.

>>1508806
god you're esl

>>1508808
>he's absolutely steaming now

>>1508807
try studying english, or getting a real job

>mad him
>instead of "he's mad"
The illiterate foreign shill is mad that his inferiority is proven. And by his own post.
lol

>>1508805
>trump is a draft dodging conman
Trump never dodged the draft.

His birthday is June 14, 1946. His draft number was never called. Joe Biden also applied for a medical deferment, but no one gives him shit for it because his draft number was never called either (November 20).

Like, you guys say this shit and I guess it makes you feel better. But all it really accomplishes is make you look like an idiots to People Who Read Stuff™

>>1508811
>so flustered that the best he can do is fixate on a missing "e"
lol. lmao even.

>>1508812
thanks for letting us know trump's act of cowardice was entirely unnecessary, that's even funnier

>>1508814
So, you concede that he isnt a draft dodger? And neither is Joe Biden?

FYI, Bill Clinton literally dodged the draft - his number (August 19) was called and he used a student deferment to get out of it.

>>1508812
>Trump never dodged the draft.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/02/27/trumps-lawyer-no-basis-for-presidents-medical-deferment-from-vietnam/
'Trump made up injury to dodge Vietnam service, his former lawyer testifies'
I love the smell of destroyed opinions in the morning. Smells like... superiority.

>>1508816
His_draft_number_was_never_called.

I cant make it any simpler.

>him
>he's
>two different letters, and an apostrophe missing
>The ESL shill is flustered that the best he can do is double down on his educational inferiority.
Americans know how to spell.

>>1508815
>trump totally didn't draft dodge, even though his dad bribed doctors for the sole purpose of draft dodging and it's all clearly on record
this thread keeps getting more hilarious. how many posts until you bring up hunter's penis?

>>1508818
>too scared to directly reply.
Beta.

>>1508817
He_dodged_the_draft
>the reason why a WWII USAAF air ace, and US Air Force pilot who served in Korea & Vietnam refused to endorse Trump
Chuck Yeager couldn't have made it simpler.

>>1508820
He_was_not_called_for_the_draft

Cant make it any simpler.

>>1508823
keep doing your little dance for us shill. your credibility is smoldering amusingly

>>1508822
How can you dodge the draft if you've never been drafted?

>>1508823
Because he paid off a doctor to say he had an injury. Objectively he's a draft dodger.

>too much of a newfag to know about denying others of '(You)'s
Not beating the inferior foreign shill allegations.

>>1508825
Simple; you lie about having a medical condition so you never have to risk your number getting called.

>>1508824
The only person who is shilling is the one who refuses to accept the most basic of facts.

You've only dodged the draft if your draft number gets called and you don't go. Trumps was never called, neither was Bidens. Neither of them dodged anything, because they were never called.

>>1508825
i direct you to the lost city of alanis

>>1508829
>i never shit my pants because nobody caught me

>>1508829
You do realize draft dodging is like, a legal term, right? It literally just refers to anyone who avoids conscription. You do not need to have your number called to dodge the draft. You just need to do something to ensure you will not be conscripted, like say, lying about a medical condition.

>>1508826
>>1508828
>they dont know how the draft system works

Okay. Let me educate you real quick. The draft system worked like this
>The government put every birthday (Jan 1 – Dec 31) into capsules, tossed them in a drum, and drew them out one by one—like a slightly less fun version of the Powerball, except the prize is you.
Trumps birthday was never called, so he never got drafted.

>>1508825
>How can you dodge the draft if you've never been drafted?
Just ask Oliver Stone. He wasn't drafted, he applied voluntarily to join the US Military during the Vietnam War. He even asked for combat duty.
Trump never had the right to any excuses.

>>1508833
you're not educating us, you're being an obtuse shill who refuses to admit defeat. here, have another rupee

>>1508832
>It literally just refers to anyone who avoids conscription
He was never conscripted.

IF they called his number and IF he used his medical deferment to avoid going and IF it was shown to be a false medical diagnosis that would be draft dodging.

We don't start the analysis because the 1st leg - getting your number called - never happened.

>>1508836
>he only intended to draft dodge
meaning, he's a draft dodger. the outcome is literally the same

>>1508836
>getting your number called - never happened
It never happened to Oliver Stone: yet he still served in Vietnam. In actual combat.
Trump never had the right to any excuses.

>>1508837
So Biden was a draft dodger?

>>1508840
Was Oliver Stone a draft dodger?

>>1508839
>Oliver Stone: yet he still served in Vietnam. In actual combat.
Damn bro that's crazy. But did I ask?

>>1508840
i don't give a fuck about biden, shill anon. it's funny to see your shit thread derailed in such a humiliating way though. do you wish you had a real job?

>>1508843
If you dont give a fuck, as you say, you would have no problem applying the standard to him and declaring that he is a draft dodger.

Weird how you wont.

>>1508844
god you're esl

>>1508842
Did you need to ask about the whole 'draft' thing in a thread about about what happened to Trump's Navy Secretary when the latter mentioned the former's unrealistic expectations?

>>1508845
>god you're esl
I accept your surrender.

>>1508846
I didn't ask about the "draft" thing.

>y-y-you must accept my wrong opinions!
>shill needs to shit up threads in /news/
>knows it will never make others come to its way of thinking
I accept your concession

>>1508847
sure, anon. you're being thoroughly ridiculed in a thread about battletoads but somehow you're winning.

>wont
>Shill is wont to spell words without apostrophes
It won't work for you, no matter how much you claim to be an American, shill.

>>1508766
>>1508771
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Yamato, the biggest, most powerful battleship every built sunk by nothing but a squadron of planes?

>>1508852
You're not wrong, and the only correction was the punisment Yamato received:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kikusui_I
'The sinking of Yamato demonstrated U.S. air supremacy in the Asiatic-Pacific Theater and the vulnerability of surface ships without air cover to aerial attack'
How the Wehrmacht's supposed 'Wunderwaffe' tanks were mere target practice for P-51 Mustangs & Hawker Typhoons, which is why hardly any of them survive today.
All those Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers that still exist to this day, including one which helped to sink Bismarck. No wonder the Commemorative Air Force has one in their collection in Dallas.

Trump is just such a fucking retard

>>1508852
More or less.
The most renowned battleships have a career that is punctuated with
>fought at the battle of pingpongchingchong, received a light tap on the munitions depot, exploded dramatically

>biggest battleship
>fastest battleship
>has railguns and guided by AI

>powered by...wait for it
>fucking diesel
>not nuclear
OH NONONONONONO BROS

>>1508861
It really is patently absurd, isn't it? It's like those idiots think you can just pull up at a gas station whenever the dial dips a bit low.

>>1508804
>There are plenty of hard-counters to submarines. What an idiotic thing to say.
No there are not, this was a huge point of contention 10 years ago.
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-submarines-quieter-deadlier-to-match-us-analysts-2025-10?op=1
https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/chinas-stealth-submarine-fleet-has-a-message-for-the-u-s-navy/
You're literally living in a fantasy land made up of post WW2 military tech.
>MUH DRONES
What a fucking idiotic thing to say, but I guess you're also living in the land of curry so you probably don't realize that the point of drones is they don't need a "Super Battleship" to launch from, they can launch from almost any aircraft.

You're LITERALLY proposing a solution worse than existing solutions we have now to fight threats you aren't even aware exist for a project that nobody wants to do.

Clearly, the only thing Trump knows about the Navy is the game Battleship. He probably saw the movie too. He doesn't care about destroyers or carriers or intercepts. He just knows "He sank my battleship" from the old ads for this stupid game.

Our president is a six-year-old who thinks it's 1950.

>>1508873
He's literally just a narcissist. That's the only reason he even became president. Why does he want a new class of ship? To name it after himself. Are new classes of ship named after the person who commissioned them? Nope, they're usually named after historic figures and key military personnel to honor them. So what kind of ship must it be? It has to be big, YUGE, because Trump wills that his ship is the biggest ship. Never mind there are plenty of roles for new ships in smaller positions, his ship must be YUGE.

Does it make any strategic sense? No.
Do any of the Poopjeesh shills know why they would need a battleship in 2026? No.
Does it make any cost sense? No.
Does it even make sense in the current model of the naval fleet all of our navies are designed around? No.
Does it change our perception of warfare? No.
Is it even Nuclear? No. So it can't even keep up with our bluewater fleets.

Will shitloads of poopjeeshs hired from Trump's PR firms flood /news/ and /pol/ telling us how a 1 to 10 Billion dollar flop of an idea is actually the best ever and we should all buy Trumpcoin? Yes.

The MUH DRONES shit that idiots like >>1508804 are pushing because they live in a land of garbage that never discovered the sail before white people brought it to them. But they're going to lecture you about how a diesel powered paddleboat battleship is going to revolutionize warfare through drones that it doesn't have the legs to launch and is too big to effectively utilize drones.

Btw the Zumwalt class the Rapebeet keep harping on about is literally one of the smallest Navy destroyers, it has to be- Because the whole point of a drone ship is that nobody can see the fucking thing easily.

https://www.navylookout.com/repurposing-the-us-navys-zumwalt-class-destroyers-with-hypersonic-strike-capability/

>>1508875
Do you think Phelan tried to explain that any new class of battleships would actually be smaller for the sake of making them harder to see and hit, only for Trump to start throwing a tantrum about "NO! I WANT THEM TO BE BIGGER! BIGGER IS BETTER!"

>>1508874
Trump can have a ship named after him though, something more fitting to him.
Does the Navy need a cheap loud ship to accompany our Warships and flee for safety whenever actual fighting starts?
We can name them Bonespur class vessals

I’m astounded at these incessant attempts to change the meanings of words in order to avoid being wrong and looking stupid. It doesn’t work, you still look stupid

>>1508930
Hey don't forget
>See if it going from the new price to the old price would be a 600% increase, than the other way around is a 600% decrease
>Uh sir that's not how math works
>We have different ways of doing math here and the president is right

I'm astounded at the shill's attempts to use words, yet always fails to convince anyone in /news/.
It never works, and the shill always looks stupid.

>>1508933
600% decrease means you pay me five times the agreed price to buy it

>>1508738
>Daddy I want a golden battleship, and I want it NOW!!!!
Wtf is this Veruca Salt bullshit? Jesus Christ Trump is retarded.

>>1508936
The shills can't use their Russian made images to push their agenda on /news/, and it really shows when they're forced to be text only.

>>1508997
Tell that to Trump.

>>1509015
I don’t think he’ll get it even if it’s explained to him he’ll just say words change meaning

>>1508997
>600%
If he used the term I reduced prices sixfold you would understand that prices were one sixth of original.

>>1509007
>translation: I cant handle normal 4chan image boards, so I hide here

thanks for admitting you're a shill, 1509090

>>1508752
It will instill pride and accomplishment. We can not let the Japanese keep the world record of the largest and most powerful battleship ever that didn't do shit.

>>1508793
Still not a chad battleship but a lame missile cruiser.

>>1509095
>Yeah we'll waste billions
>But the pride we'll get from wasting billions!
Pretty sure modern america would just see this as another case of politicans wasting billions of dollars on stunts while telling them they have no money for anything that would actually help them. If anything it'd be a source of shame.

>>1508738
>President Trump wanted one thing, more than anything else, from his secretary of the Navy, John Phelan: a new class of battleships.
This is backwards. The navy secretary brought this idea to trump. The rest of the article may be disregarded as untrustworthy due to the above lie.

>>1509136
He brought the idea to Trump but then Trump demanded it be made within a physically impossible timeframe. It didn't help that even fucking Hegseth recognized the whole "Trump-class battleship" idea was beyond retarded.

>>1508832
>draft dodging is like, a legal term, right?
50 U.S. Code § 3811 - Offenses and penalties. Poorly written, but a forged or false medical examination is in there. I don't care enough to dip into case law to find the elements fully listed but I would suspect:
1)submits false information
2)with intent to avoid the draft

Also apparently Trump haters think Vietnam was a noble and good war that everyone should have volunteered for, and wasn't a waste of US lives and a war that should have been prevented or ended earlier.

>>1509138
>he drumpf, how about this awesome drumpf class battleship, it is the biggest and named after you!
>I love it, it is the best, build it now
>no actually it was a really bad idea and a joke, I can't belive the president would attempt to follow the advice of one of his advisors, I am the victim of Trump's madness!

>>1509140
More
>"Alright, Mr President. Here's my idea; a new, bigger class of battleship."
>"I'm on board!"
>"Ok, so then we can get some approvals and within the decade-"
>"Decade? I want it before my term ends."
>"...Sir that's uh, not physically possible-"
>"I want it AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Make it happen."
>"But we literally can't design and create-"
>"If you can't make this set up for 2028, we're gonna have some REAL problems buddy."

>>1509139
>Also apparently Trump haters think Vietnam was a noble and good war that everyone should have volunteered for, and wasn't a waste of US lives and a war that should have been prevented or ended earlier.
It's less an approval of Vietnam and more showing the blatant hypocrisy that Trump pulls similar shit despite bonespured his way out of service.

>>1509139
>Vietnam was a noble and good war that everyone should have volunteered for
Was a certain someone who served in Vietnam a Democrat voter? (check one):
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
Choose wisely.

>>1509143
Wrong. If vietnam was a bad war the moral thing to do would be to avoid participating. Also Trump did not run on a war platform, much the opposite.

>>1509144
You are endorsing Yeager's opinion which means you agree with it. If you don't agree with the opinion then you oppose it and support Trump's draft dodging intentions.

Muhammad Ali was a draft dodger. Dodge like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

>>1509146
>Also Trump did not run on a war platform, much the opposite.
And yet here we fucking are. Not to mention the whole "I don't like people who are captured in war even though I literally bitched out of ever going to war" thing.

>>1509148
There are lots of reasons to dislike John McCain. The fact that he was a POW doesn't protect his 30 year political career from criticism.

>here we are
Ended the Israel genocide of gaza?
A few weeks of missiles and drones with Iran? 15 dead is a lot fewer than the 7,000 dead from Bush's global war on terror or 70,000 dead from Johnson's Vietnam war.

Gas prices are up 70 cents, oh no. Same peak prices you paid in 2011 and 2022.

>>1509090
>Proving the point

>>1509146
But was that certain someone who served in Vietnam a Democrat voter?

>>1509146
>Trump did not run on a war platform, much the opposite
https://i.postimg.cc/DyfV5rt6/anti-harris-sign.jpg
But like Trump - considering how Oliver Stone volunteered - you don't have any excuses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone#Political_views
'In his foreword to the 2025 book Syria: Anatomy of Regime Change, Stone argued that U.S. policy in the Middle East reflects a neo‑colonial approach that undermines local cultures and severely harms civilian populations. He also predicted that those aggressive policies would ultimately lead to war with Iran'
If Trump had served in Vietnam, would he have done what he has today? Would Harris have started a war with Iran if she had won that previous election, in light of what's happening now and who won that year: especially with their platform prior to that election in late 2024?

>>1509149
>Ended the Israel genocide of gaza?
lmao no he didn't.

>A few weeks of missiles and drones with Iran? 15 dead is a lot fewer than the 7,000 dead from Bush's global war on terror or 70,000 dead from Johnson's Vietnam war.
Because Trump knows he would never survive putting boots on the ground. Meanwhile our economy is in shambles, we've burned all our military alliances, and ironically empowered the same "extremist regime" Trump is so afraid of.

>>1509149
NTA, but I think the point in bringing that up is to demonstrate what a piece of shit the draft dodger is to make light of the sacrifices of the members of the armed forces.

That you're selling that as 'being critical of his political career' is borderline psychotic. Calling you a stupid faggot for gargling shit-covered orange balls here isn't criticizing your terrible politics, it's just preying common right wing insecurities.

Gas prices have more than doubled in my area, they've gone up over 2 dollars a galleon, but fuck that; this war threatened the petrodollar that keeps our currency valuable and stable. The stakes here are not just the price of oil, they involve the foundation of our economy.

You should be cut out like a cancer.

>>1509146
If Vietnam was a bad war the intelligent thing to do would be to not start another bad war. Trump is intelligent therefore he believes Vietnam was not a bad war, therefore he is a coward for draft dodging.
Muhammed Ali explained that he believed Vietnam was a bad war and refused to take part, this is acceptable