https://www.cbsnews.com/news/usps-proposal-would-allow-handguns-to-be-sent-through-the-mail/Handguns could be mailed through the U.S. Postal Service for the first time in nearly 100 years if a proposed rule under the Trump administration takes effect. Democratic attorneys general in two dozen states sent a letter this week in opposition.In 1927, Congress passed a law barring the USPS from mailing concealable firearms unless they were from licensed dealers in an effort to curb crime. In January, the Department of Justice revisited the 1927 law, calling it unconstitutional and arguing that it violated the Second Amendment, and urged the postal service to change its regulations.The Justice Department said that as long as Congress chooses to run a parcel service, "the Second Amendment precludes it from refusing to ship constitutionally protected firearms to and from law-abiding citizens, even if they are not licensed manufacturers or dealers."CBS News has reached out to USPS for comment.Last month, USPS proposed a new rule that would allow anyone to mail concealable firearms like pistols and revolvers. USPS currently allows some firearms like long-barreled rifles and shotguns to be mailed, however they must be unloaded and securely packaged. Similar protections would be in place for handguns, which have evolved since 1927. The USPS said in a statement that it is reviewing public comments — which were due Monday — before making final changes.USPS said it deferred to the "judgment" of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel "as to the lawful scope of this criminal statute and worked in consultation with OLC to develop the proposed revisions to our mailability regulations."
Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford, a Democrat who is running for governor, said the rule change would undo the work states like Nevada have done to curb gun violence. Nevada experienced the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, when a gunman on Oct. 1, 2017, opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino hotel in Las Vegas, killing 60 people. Following the shooting, Nevada passed a law requiring state-administered background checks on most private gun sales or transfers."Our state has suffered enough, and to suggest we make it easier for criminals and abusers to access firearms is a slap in the face to gun violence survivors and law enforcement," Ford said in a statement.Under the proposed rules, someone could sell and ship a gun to a person within state lines. The rules are tighter for mailing guns across state lines — people could only mail it to themselves in the care of another person and would be required to open it themselves. That's designed to assist people who are traveling to another state where they might want to use a gun for recreation.The Justice Department argues the patchwork of state laws around guns makes it difficult to take them across state lines for lawful purposes like target shooting, hunting and self-defense. It said that in many cases, people have no ability to travel with a firearm, making mail the "only viable method of transportation."Ford and other attorneys general in around two dozen states sent a letter Monday urging the USPS to withdraw the proposed rule, saying it will make it easier for people who can't legally possess guns, like people convicted of felonies or domestic violence, to access them. They also said it'll make it more difficult to solve gun crimes. They said the executive branch does not have the authority to ignore a law Congress passed and the rule will override state gun laws.
State laws include requirements like firearms safety courses, background searches and mental health history checks, according to the attorneys general. Those requirements are regulated through state entities, which would be bypassed if the rule change would be implemented, they argued. There will be no way to guarantee that someone is following the rules and not shipping a handgun across state lines to another person, they argued.Law enforcement will have to create a new tracking structure to account for firearms mailed through the postal service, which would place added burdens on state budgets, the attorneys general said."The Proposed Rule relatedly harms States by providing a readily-accessible mechanism for transfers of firearms that bypass" federal firearms licenses, the letter reads. "Under the status quo, FFLs shoulder the burden of confirming compliance with state and federal law — including by referring each transferee for a background check and verifying that state law allows such transferee to own the particular weapon mailed."Private companies like UPS and FedEx also restrict gun shipments to customers with federal firearms licenses, such as importers, manufacturers, dealers and collectors. FedEx requires shippers with a federal firearms license to work with a FedEx account executive to obtain approval, according to the company's website.
Firearm advocacy groups applauded the proposed change, while gun safety organizations expressed their concern.John Commerford, executive director of the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association of America, called it a key victory for law-abiding gun owners."Thanks to President Trump and his administration, USPS will finally allow these firearms to be shipped under the same commonsense safety conditions as rifles and shotguns," Commerford said in a Wednesday statement.John Feinblatt, president of Everytown for Gun Safety, said the rule change will turn USPS into a "gun trafficking pipeline" for illegal weapons "while stripping law enforcement of the tools they need to prevent and investigate gun crime."
>>1512903Good. Who here has a problem with this?
>>1512910I do because this shit is gonna make illegal firearms even easier to obtain. Straw purchases are gonna get even more out of control.
>>1512911>I do because this shit is gonna make illegal firearms even easier to obtain.How so? If they treat handguns the same way they treat rifles and shotguns, that means showing the firearm and the serial number to a USPS clerk and documenting what they ship.
>>1512911ah yes, the saturday night special, none other than reagan's favorite prop
>>1512911>I do because this shit is gonna make illegal firearms even easier to obtainThey're already nearly impossible to obtain. "even easier" means nothing>Straw purchases are gonna get even more out of control.They have never been a problem
>>1512913>If they treat handguns the same way they treat rifles and shotguns, that means showing the firearm and the serial number to a USPS clerk and documenting what they ship.Because it's far easier to ship a pistol than a rifle. That's exactly why they weren't allowed before.
>>1512915>They have never been a problemStraw purchasers are responsible for most guns that find their way into the hands of criminals. They are a complete subversion of the rules and regulations of gun ownership.
>>1512918>Because it's far easier to ship a pistol than a rifle.So? They go through the same process. Just because the shipment is smaller doesn't change the requirements of the shipment itself. If the paperwork isn't done correctly the cargo is held in frustration (a logistics term) and doesn't move until they investigate and get the correct information. So if there's any major discrepancies, that shit gets escalated up the government pretty damn quick.
>>1512919Straw purchases are already illegal
>>1512911>>1512919It doesnt change anything. I can sell you a gun without a background check. In person, via mail, in a police station. Perfectly legal. If you're a felon its a crime for you to buy it, if I know you're a felon its a crime to sell it. If you buy from someone who sells guns for a profit, they have to do a background check no matter what. New rule changes nothing and the existing system is about as good as it can get without a registry.
>>1512924Democrats want to ban guns so that the third worlders can attack you in the streets and the police can arrest you for defending yourself. That's not even hyperbole, it happens every day in the UK
>>1512911>>1512919>>1512924Exactly, gun manufacturers already love selling to criminals because its legal and criminals need a lot of gunsshut the fuck up about it
>>1512924>I can sell you a gun without a background check. In person, via mail, in a police station. Perfectly legal. If you're a felon its a crime for you to buy it, if I know you're a felon its a crime to sell it.hey, retard, straw purchases are illegal. And a decent chunk of states still require you to go through an FFL or you're making an illegal sale. And honestly the states where it isn't should have that loophole shut the fuck down because most of those guns are going to criminals to commit crimes.
>>1512929>dude it's great because gun manufacturers love arming criminals then convincing people they need guns to keep themselves safe from the same criminals they armYou just made a great case against the gun industry anon.
>>1512924>It doesnt change anything.This anon is correct. The current law only allows you to ship firearms (rifles, shotguns) via USPS to another state, without sending to an FFL, only if you, the owner, will be receiving it. So that's one.Two, USPS inspects and certifies what's in the box before it's shipped. They match the serial number and ID the shipper. This shit doesn't go regular mail, but at a higher service that includes In-Transit-Visibility to track the shipment the whole way there. Finally, it has to be signed for, and can only be signed for by the approved person. Which leads me to my last point...Three, straw purchasers are not using the fucking post office to ship illegal firearms to people. In fact, if they use USPS at all to ship firearms to themselves at another state, those only account for 3% of illegally trafficked firearms.But don't take my word for it, ask the ATF:https://web.archive.org/web/20240414061440/https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/report/nfcta-volume-iii-part-iii/download>Table FTMM-01: Total Number and Percentage of Cases by Method of Transport, 2017 – 2021>U.S. Mail>3.2%These retards here >>1512929>>1512933>>1512934have no fucking clue what they're talking about. If none of you've ever worked at a logistics job before, or gone through the process of shipping a firearm, you should really just shut the fuck up forever. I have over a hundred times. So I'm pretty fucking competent in this shit, but please feel free to argue with me on this.
>>1512903Wha could go wrong? What a good idea from the president who has had three assassination attempts.
>>1512903>The USPS said in a statement that it is reviewing public comments — which were due MondaySo does/would even find out about these "public" comments? Who is/are the "public" in this case?
>>1512982>Wha could go wrong?Exactly, what could go wrong? Straw purchasers aren't using the post office to traffic firearms so what's the issue? There isn't one. This is a giant nothing-burger for anti-gunners to sperg out over.
Only issue is mailmen getting robbed. I guess we arm the mailmen? Only thing is most of them look like ghetto thugs these days, so we've come full ciricle.
>>1513043The problem with that, from the criminal's perspective, is they don't know which mailmen are transporting guns. All the boxes shipping firearms are blank and unmarked. They don't just advertise "FREE GUNZ" on the package.
>>1512903I'll chime in with a dissenting opinion: For black powder aficionados, this is a godsend. You used to be able to get replica cap and ball pistols through the mail, like just before I got into it. Now it's only flintlocks. The distinction is very stupid, nobody is going to be committing an act of terror with a six-shot dragoon.
>>1513043ANon do you know where the phrase "going postal" originated from?
>>1512926They tried to do the same thing here with a protestor a few years ago who got jumped by 4 druggies, one armed with a pistol who missed him, he shot all four. Typical response at the time was "HE LOOKS LIKE A PIG!!! HE CROSSED STATE LINES!!! HE DESERVED TO DIE!!!" until the judge exonerated him completely.
>>1513029There is a government site where you can publicly comment on all USPS statutes, managed by the inspector general:https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2024/1101-usps-board-of-governors-to-hold-open-meeting-on-nov-14.htm>Registration of speakers at the public comment period is required. Speakers must register online at (Link 4chan thinks is spam)>Each registered speaker will be allowed two (2) minutes for comment. Registration to speak during the public comment period shall end on November 12, 2024, at 9 a.m. ET. Participation in the public comment period is governed by 39 C.F.R. 232.1(n).It's an actually stand-up-and-present public comment process. This isn't the one for guns, btw. I can't find that one.
>>1513054you know nobody on the right even claims the teary eyed faggot you're lionizing anymore, right esl shill
>>1513051Disgruntled postal workers committing mass shootings in the workplace. Had nothing to do with defending themselves against robbers with firearms or even carrying them while on duty. Those shootings weren't exactly committed in a moment of picque.
>>1513039Gun control act of 1968>At the hearings NRA executive vice-president Franklin Orth supported a ban on mail-order sales, stating, "We do not think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object”Ah yes, anti-gunners like the NRA. The point is this is a brain dead piece of legislation that, at best, is just a dangerous play for votes from his base.
>>1513090thank this guy and the rest of the new right for america's current retardationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlon_Carter
>>1513090>just a dangerous playHow is this dangerous?They're already shipped via UPS and Fedex.
>>1513058>Disgruntled postal workers committing mass shootings in the workplacedisgruntled white postal workers maybeonly whites commit mass shootings
>>1513090>but whatabout the NRAWho gives a shit what they said back in the 60s - before they had important logistics features like in-transit visibility or tracking numbers (did they even have serial numbers for firearms back then)? What is the fucking problem with this new regulation allowing handguns to be shipped the same way we already ship rifles and shotguns via mail?
>>1513130>What is the fucking problem with this new regulation allowing handguns to be shipped the same way we already ship rifles and shotguns via mail?Its weird that you spend your time on the internet demonstrating that you're deliberately retarded instead of looking up the positions of people opposing this regulation. Not really, you're doing it because you're an esl shill
>>1513133It's weird how you can't answer a simple question.>esl shillNevermind. It's normal behavior for you.
>>1513133It's weird you spend literally 18 hours a day trolling/
>>1512933Listen, if they closed the loophole, how would guns cycle through police and FBI evidence lockers multiple times? They NEED to have paperwork saying they seized and destroyed the literal same gun with the same markings and serial number from multiple crime scenes in a row. Can't do that if they aren't selling out the back.
>>1513135they make you shill for 18 hours a day? no wonder you're unintelligible most of the time
Any and all forms of gun regulation should be banned. There is no such thing as "common sense gun laws". Democrats and liberals only want to ban them. All laws are just death by a thousand cuts.
>>1513180you will never be an honorary NRA member esl shill
>>1513181My gun collection is worth more than your car, jeet shill. Cope and seethe. I might go buy another AR this weekend just to cancel out another crying liberal's bluesky post
