Did the good guys win WW2?

>>1513201
the winners are always the good guys

>>1513201
No. There exists an alternate timeline where all the jews were eradicated, Indians were never allowed to leave India, and all blacks were sent back to Africa and the US is exploring space

>>1513203
>No. There exists an alternate timeline where all the jews were eradicated, Indians were never allowed to leave India, and all blacks were sent back to Africa and the US is exploring space
Where is the Twin Towers in present-day alternate world?

>>1513204
They are used for interstellar travel between planets.

>>1513204
It rests at the center of a NYC paradise from the sounds of it.
>I'll have a Coke
I will.

>>1513203
Life must be so simple for you.

>>1513217
>Life must be so simple for you.
>There is no two divided Korean countries in this alternate universe after the war, just only and one countries in the Korean peninsula
Great

>>1513203
>an alternate timeline
So-called 'Alternate Timelines' are for retards that think the first & second Back to the Future sequels are documentaries.
>so many 'What Ifs' re. WWII in book & TV form
But military experts say one thing: Hitler would have failed regardless. The Turd... I mean Third Reich had failure designed into it right from the start, otherwise The Man in the High Castle would be a documentary: and even that ends in failure for those in that scenario. Philip K. Dick must have put much thought into what he wrote before doing so.
>Operation Sea Lion
The Battle of Britain put paid to that notion. That, and the Royal Navy were always superior to the Kriegsmarine. It's why HMS Belfast is docked on the Thames & is part of the Imperial War Museum today, and not the Bismarck: said Royal Navy & Fleet Air Arm Fairey Swordfish torpedo bomber planes from HMS Ark Royal made sure of that. It's why the Commemorative Air Force has one of those planes in their collection in Dallas.

>>1513203
there also exists one where white people get enslaved by blacks and are used as sex slaves, until their expiration date then processed into BBQ

>>1513238
Wasn't that pre 1700 africa and the Middle East tho?

>>1513201
Kinda not really. While we won, WWII is when we let the commies off the leash. Biggest mistake ever. Spanish Civil War remains the last--albeit, hardly won!--victory against the murderous hordes of marxism. We had a minor propaganda victory with McCarthyism, but that didn't last. That's why removing the regimes in Iran &, hopefully soon, Cuba is so important. Time to roll back that bloodred curtain and take the planet back.

>We had a minor propaganda victory with McCarthyism, but that didn't last
Good. Thus you had a major fail. Even better. The laughingstock of the US Marines that was 'Tailgunner Joe': a retard that thought it had the right to have ideas above its station by having wrong opinions ultimately destroyed by his Supreme Commander, later C-in-C of the entire US armed forces simply letting that drunken subhuman hoist itself by its own political petard, giving it enough socio-political rope to hang itself, then when it imploded, was seen as less than nothing by the rest of the Republican party. And all by that party's leader & president ignoring that drunkard which ultimately died a pickled irrelevance.
'I really believe that nothing will be so effective in combating his particular kind of troublemaking as to ignore him. This he cannot stand'
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
Ike was based. McCarthy was nothing more than an inferior subhuman. Just like >>1513249

The amount of effort leftists expended and still do to minimize his impact indicates otherwise, of course. Books, films, untold hours of talkshow (podcast to you young zoomers) commentary, schizoid, off-meds social media posts (>>1513251), speak volumes to just how effective his non-violent campaign really was.

The amount of effort rightists expended and still do to maximize the retard 'Tailgunner Joe's impact indicates otherwise, of course. Historical facts speaks volumes to just how effective Ike's non-violent campaign of ignoring McCarthy the subhuman really was, and how a Supreme Commander & later C-in-C made the likes of >>1513256 violently seethe.

What the FUCK are you retards talking about? This story is pretty cut and dry but you all are sperging all over yourselves. No country NOW is the same as it was THEN. New sets of laws, ideologies, leaders, and populous.

The past has happened. What has transpired isn’t up for debate. How we feel about it is.

>>1513200
>Russia says
much like a fart, usually shit follows shortly after that.

>>1513261
Ad hominems, projection and appeals to authority aside, you're still reeling and railing against the movement, though it's been over 65 years. Says a lot!

>>1513261
Hello liggy piggy. Time for your 18 hour shift?

>>1513277
Hello saggy faggy. Forgot to take your meds again, huh?

>>1513200
Russians were the bad guys in WW2
Just not as bad as Germany

Cool and Russia rewrites history to play down the Soviet Union's role in German rearmament and the invasion and occupation of Poland.
This is such a pointless discussion

>projection
>you're still reeling and railing
But enough about the projecting >>1513272 that is still still reeling and railing at those who refuse to think like them
>b-b-but you mst think as I do!!
The fact that so many don't makes you seethe, otherwise why so insecure if you think an alcoholic subhuman with wrong opinions and was bested by his president by doing nothing is supposed to be 'superior', according to your wrong opinions? You wouldn't even need to be in /news/ if you were secure in your so-called 'opinions' which are eternally wrong
If you reply to this post, you prove to be insecure, therefore inferior, >>1513272

Germans were the bad guys in WWII
________simple as_______

>>1513249
Iran aren’t commies you slobbering retard

>>1513299
Actually, that'd be Germans, Italians, Spanish, Japanese, Russians, everyone from southeast Asia in perpetuity and to a lesser extent the French for not properly acknowledging Anglo dominance.

>>1513200
They have a point. The Soviets did a lot of the fighting against the Nazis, a lot more than the Americans for example but most people probably think, likely because of propaganda, the US did everything

>>1513312
Spain were neutral and the French didn’t start it. I don’t know why you’re mentioning SE Asia they mostly didn’t do much aside from get conquered by the Japanese

>>1513314
Spain was committed Axis, they just didn't remit troops for Hitler's army beyond volunteer divisions because of their long-standing alliance with the British and its potential impact on their grain imports. The French didn't start it, but their leadership and government did flip Axis in order to save their own hides and left it to the lower classes of citizenry to do the right thing and fight and die for the cause of liberty and self-determination, so the French as a national entity are still a guilty party.

SE Asia did a lot. French Indochina, Siam, Singapore, the Phillipines, China, Japan, Burma and the Dutch East Indies (Now Indonesia) were all active combatants and quite a lot of the war happened there. Lo and behold, its also where the subhuman bugmen that live there engaged in some of the worst atrocities and violations of basic human rights imaginable in all fields, not just the Chinks or the Japanese but all of them. These events are quite well-documented and well-discussed, so read a fucking book you illiterate mouthbreather.

>>1513313
>The Soviets did a lot of the fighting against the Nazis
People get that, it just gets discounted because they were enthusiastic Nazi allies until they got betrayed.
They're still subhuman trash like Nazi's, just cowardly subhuman trash

>>1513313
The Soviets did a lot of the dying, not the majority of the fighting, and quite a lot less than the Americans, who fought in four entire theatres at the same time (Atlantic, Pacific, European Mainland, China Front) and engaged all arms and branches of their armed forces when a lot of European nations didn't have an Air Force or a navy to contribute in the first place. They also built more than 70% of Russia's factories and machine tools during the interwar period, provided the hundreds of locomotives required to ship vehicles from them, provided the planes for more than half of the Russian air force and the food that fed their infantry.

Don't be a shitskin in the /news/ thread, at least try to report history with some reasonable expectation of accuracy instead of vomiting forth whatever thoughts are rattling around in your empty head.

>>1513318
I specified against the Nazis, so unless there were Nazis in the Pacific and China stfu and none of that other shit you’ve mentioned (tools, factories, trains) counts as fighting

>>1513317
I think you rather meant secret not enthusiastic

>>1513319
>I drew an arbitrary line please respect my arbitrary line
Don't care, didn't ask, fuck off. The Japanese were an Axis power, fighting and dying against them is just as valid as fighting and dying against Le Nazis, even if it doesn't support your personal narrative. This is not your board, faggot, go find a hugbox somewhere else.

Also worth noting that there WERE Nazis on the Sino-Japanese front, both as advisors to the Japanese and as a volunteer fighting force, just the same as there were Americans in China doing the exact same thing.

>None of the other shit you've mentioned counts as fighting
It most certainly does. Russian war journals explicitly talk about the huge cans of American beef stew that sustained their lives when their own command issued only bread packed with sawdust and cellulose from the Paper Mills, and the American fuel that actually enabled them to capture and use enemy vehicles on the front line when Russian fuel required additives in order to be viable in German, Italian and Romanian engines. An army marches on its stomach and drives on its fuel, and Russia didn't care enough about the lives of their infantrymen to provide either to them properly, but America did.

>>1513326
The fucking article is about the Soviets fighting against the Nazis you are a retard.
Cooking stew to feed soldiers fighting Nazis isn’t the same thing as fighting Nazis, if you are actually mentally handicapped I apologise for insulting you as you’re only trying your best

>>1513333
The fucking article is about the Russians rewriting history to minimize the impact of the Western nations who did all the fighting and to glorify their own role in getting all of their best people killed valiantly accomplishing nothing. It was America and Britain who built all the planes, provided all the professional soldiers, and committed politically and materially to liberating Europe from the Nazis, not the Russians. The Russians only did a lot of dying and then after more than half a decade of valiantly throwing soldiers into machine gun fire, they made a conscious choice to conquer and enslave Eastern Europe under their own Imperial power instead of providing them the same rights and sovereignty that America and Britain ceded to the peoples that they liberated.

If you're going to discuss the original topic, at least get your facts straight. You're so full of shit that your eyes are brown.

>>1513322
Nah, Russia loves Nazism
They only hate Nazis because they were betrayed, and go full lizard brain revenge mode on them
They're just as shit as Nazis

>>1513335
Russia went to war with Ukraine to de-nazify the government

>>1513334
>It was America and Britain who built all the planes, provided all the professional soldiers, and committed politically and materially to liberating Europe from the Nazis, not the Russians
The soviets also fought the harshest battles against the germans on the eastern front, tying up vast quantities of axis resources during one of the harshest winters in recorded memory. Stalingrad, Leningrad and Moscow are largely considered the bloodiest battles of WWII.

>>1513338
Britain declared war on Germany September 1st, 1939, after Germany invaded Poland, France followed.
On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east, 16 days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west.
Why did Britain and France not declare war on the Soviet Union in September 1939?

>>1513340
Soviets had a secret plan with Hitler which the allies didn’t know about (it was secret). To answer your question, probably because the Soviets preemptively invading Poland to prevent Nazis expanding east looked good for various reasons. Understand at this point Poland has been defeated outright

>>1513340
>Why did Britain and France not declare war on the Soviet Union in September 1939?
I have a feeling you're going to tell me, so you might as well state your opinion plainly.

>>1513338
>The Soviets also fought some of the harshest battles
To conquer and enslave people. Not to liberate anyone from the Nazis. They fought every single battle to conquer and enslave and are no better than the Nazis themselves. No exceptions. They didn't liberate Poland, they didn't liberate the Baltic States, they didn't liberate Lithuania or Belorussia or Azerbaijan, they fought to destroy liberty and self-determination for dozens of nations and ethnicities that they considered Russian clay and at no point did they ever fight a battle for the betterment of anyone but themselves. Even then, the state they produced off the backs of conquered peoples still failed and destroyed itself just a scant few decades later.

You don't get good boy points for being a conqueror, you colossal faggot.

>>1513345
>To conquer and enslave people-
Stalingrad, Leningrad and Moscow were defensive wars. They were fending off monsters like Oskar Dirlewanger.
>they fought to destroy liberty and self-determination for dozens of nations
It's not a controversial political position to say that the soviets helped combat the axis powers. Your obsession with demonizing a long-dead regime is stupid.

>>1513348
>Defensive wars happened
Yes, they tend to happen in a war exchange with a neighboring nation. They still fought in the war to conquer and enslave their neighbors and are no better than the Nazis themselves.

>Its not a controversial position... that the Soviets helped combat the Axis powers
To conquer and enslave their neighbors. For the express, written, acknowledged and understood purpose of enslaving other people. Just like the Nazis.

>A long-dead regime
Its not dead, it only died and collapsed once and then became a new regime, the Russian Federation, which is currently fighting a war to conquer and enslave its neighbors. Modern Russians are not any different from the Nazis either and deserve the same exact vilification and treatment, Pidor.

>>1513349
Do you have an ethnic stake in obsessing about Russia or something? Because it's not sane to think the USSR sprung back to life after Gorbachev left office.

Two criminals named Greg and Robert decide to rob a bank.
Afterwards Greg decides they want the whole take for themselves, so they attack Robert and leave them to die.
The police find Robert, and patch him up in exchange for catching Greg.

Russians read that story and think Robert didn't rob the bank, and he was a policeman the whole time.

>>1513341
I understand the Molotov Ribbontrop Pact was secret.
Was the September 17th invasion also a secret? Because the September 1st didn't seem to be a secret, they seemed to know about that one right away and immediately declared war in response

>>1513350
Hi russia shill

>>1513200
Russian propaganda isn’t /news/

>>1513350
I'm a citizen of Earth, we've all had an ethnic stake in Russia fucking off and dying in a fire for the last century at least. And it absolutely is sane to think that Modern Russia is engaging in the exact same behavior and follies as the snowniggers who fought in WW2 because all you have to do in order to confirm that is turn on your TV for five minutes and peruse the news, you mouthbreather. They are CURRENTLY engaging in a documented and live-filmed effort to eradicate and/or conquer a neighbor. Right now, as we speak. This is not a matter of conjecture, it is a thing that is happening as a matter of absolute fact and can be verified immediately with just the slightest bit of effort, so fuck off.

Stalin did nothing wrong.
The "Holodomor" is Western anti-communist propaganda.
Western capitalist agitators convinced the Ukrainian farmers to destroy their livestock and burn their crops so the farms could not be collectivized.
Western, especially American, history is one of the most vile evilest and destructive pages out of history.
Genghis Khan would have been envious

>>1513342
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/oqci11/we_did_it/
My opinion is this meme

>>1513355
You sound like a jew whining about the holocaust in 2026.

>>1513358
You're literally a russia shill and that's pretty embarrassing

>>1513352
No it wasn’t a secret that the Soviets invaded Poland. I don’t know exactly why war wasn’t declared by the allies, my conjecture is that Poland was considered (rightly or wrongly) a defeated nation and that the Soviets taking the Eastern regions would prevent the Nazis from expanding into them. There’s also a domestic political aspect to it, you have to understand the Spanish Civil War was recent and there would’ve been opposition to war with the Soviets and probably a fifth column situation. There’s also the possibility that the Soviets would ally with the Nazis, or failing that a definite three way war.
I think saying they should’ve declared war on the Soviets out of principle or at least forced them to give Poland full liberty after the war is failing to take into account the realpolitik of the times.
There are current situations where similarly war is not joined when it could or should be for various reasons, and more examples from WW2 of countries aligning themselves with natural enemies and so on. This thread isn’t the place to go on about it and I’m happy Poland are independent now and hopefully they get nukes

>>1513312
>Anglo dominance
>Battle of Britain: 1940
>Pearl Harbor: 1941
>info supplied to Roosevellt/Eisenhower from Bletchley Park cracking the Wehrmacht's Enigma. Info which shortened the war by at least three years & 600,000+ US troops returned home alive from Europe. Winston Churchill & Alan Turing say 'You're Welcome'. As do Rolls-Royce for those Merlin engines used in P-51 Mustangs: the same engines used in Spitfires & Hurricanes that ensured UK won the Battle of Britain: again, in 1940
Thanks for admitting that America has to be added to your list:
>Germans, Italians, Spanish, Japanese, Russians, everyone from southeast Asia in perpetuity and to a lesser extent the French

>>1513374
Shilling for the USSR? Are you retarded?

>>1513393
Get a real job shill

>>1513200
>>1513201
>>1513202
Reminder that the Soviet Union started World War II alongside Nazi Germany by invading Poland and the Baltic states.
Reminder that there was a secret protocol within the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, signed just before the war began (August 1939), that enabled the Soviet Union to attack or occupy:
a) Half of Poland;
b) The Baltic coast;
c) Finland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#Secret_protocol
...in exchange for a promise of non-aggression. This was Stalin's attempt at recapturing the territories of the former Russian Empire, which Lenin had given up post-WWI.

The Soviet Union was one of the two countries that CAUSED the war; at the very least, it enabled Hitler to start the massacre in Eastern Europe. That eventually the madman decided to break the pact and turn his attention to Moscow was just some form of inevitable karmic retribution.

>>1513313
The Soviet Union did nothing against Japan. And the reason why the Soviets died by the millions is that their startegy was to spam expendable, badly equipped cannon fodder at the enemy frontlines until their collapse.
It still is the go-to Russian strategy for land wars, by the way: just look at Ukraine.

>>1513408
...and Hitler still lost. Good .The Allies won. Deal with it.
A bust of Winston Churchill in the Oval Office: and why that particular item is there, certainly who chose such to decorate that part of the White House. At least there's one thing about Trump I can agree with.

>>1513418
They invaded Manchuria and had the Pacific war not ended when it did may have also invaded Japan. Some say that’s the main reason the Japanese surrendered to the Allies, so they weren’t invaded by the Soviets

>>1513391
The Americans sat on their arses and watched the world burn for nearly two years. They only went to war against Japan when Japan attacked them, and they only went to war against Germany when Hitler declared war on the US.
It’s a myth that the Americans came along and saved the world, they acted in complete self-interest and everybody who knows anything knows it

>>1513430
I'm not doing Hitler apologia. I'm saying the USSR enabled Nazi Germany to start the war and only joined the Allies for opportunistic motives, which is why it turned hostile immediately after the war.
The Soviet Union was just the Russian Empire disguised as something else.

>>1513431
>They invaded Manchuria
...on August 8, 1945, which was two days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, while Japan was discussing capitulation.
lol, come on

>>1513436
>The Americans sat on their arses and watched the world burn for nearly two years
lmao the US and the USSR joined the Allies in the same year. both did so after being attacked.
in 1939 the USSR was a co-belligerent with Germany against Poland. when communists say "liberals will always side with fascists" they always forget this one

>declares war on germany to protect poland
>wins, declares total moral victory
>gives poland to russia
lol, lmao

>>1513440
Saying the USSR did nothing against Japan is inaccurate, that’s just a fact

>>1513456
I don’t understand why detractors of the US effort in World War II act as if opening two major fronts in Europe (Italy in 1943, France in 1944) wasn't that important, while the USSR declaring war on Japan just days before its surrender is treated like some important contribution.
We're also ignoring Africa, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Torch

>>1513200
>RT
HAAHHAHAHAHAHH
>russias role
Napoleon would have been impressed by the tactics of sending in wave after wave of men until the Nazis ran out of ammunition. Really rewrote the Art of War with that one

>>1513395
>talk about history
>get accused of shilling for russia
Every time

>>1513456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Route
US Military supply vessels carrying military supplies to the Soviet Union for the Lend Lease program went unimpeded by the Japanese from October 1941 to August 1945.

>>1513474
>Not understanding that the Western account of history is actually the closest we will ever get to the objective truth because they're not made up of browns or snowniggers

I acknowledge that all history is slanted, but if you don't want to be called a Russian shill, maybe don't parrot objectively wrong things sold to you by thirdies bitching into the wind.

>>1513336
The Russian definition of a nazi is someone that stands against Russia's ambitions. A few retards with runes isn't enough to justify an invasion, even to the Russian populace. The definition of nazism had to be changed entirely to fit their worldview.

>>1513502
Sort of like Anti-semite is "someone jews don't like"

>>1513233
>So-called 'Alternate Timelines' are for retards that think the first & second Back to the Future sequels are documentaries.
Imagine you woke up in the alternate universe and it's the day of September 12 2001
And you suddenly sees the Twin Towers standing in the NYC skyline, That's because the jet fuel can't melt steel beams inside the building and Israeli art students never came into the WTC

>>1513477
>Not understanding that the Western account of history is actually the closest we will ever get to the objective truth because they're not made up of browns or snowniggers
Everything I've said a part of the Good War post-WWII liberal western narrative that every American child learns in public school. Seek help immediately for your interminable obsession with Russia.

>>1513502
>The Russian definition of a nazi is someone that stands angainst...
Oh, so Russia is left wing now, huh?

Define the word "Nazi"

>>1513525
>Everyone who stands against everything "leftwingers" believe.
It has been for quite a while.

>Define the word "Nazi"
An inferior ideology - otherwise The Man in the High Castle would be a documentary - loved by inferior subhuman rightards, or they wouldn't be rightards. Instead, they would be superior left wingers.

"I heard this story that long ago the communists and the Nazis had a war. In the end the communists had won." Artyom c. 2199