anyone else think this trend has been one of the most humiliating and lamest changes in recent times? Makes starting your vehicle feel like turning on a laptop
>>28593626meds
Wouldn't know, my modern truck came with a standard key and barrel.
>>28593626I've never had a car with it, but it originated in racing so I don't really have a problem with it.motorcycles also mostly all have push button ignitions. its the rest of the shit with modern cars that's a constant humiliation ritual.
Hear them haters talk, but there's nothin' you can tell 'emJust made a million, got another million on my scheduleNo love for 'em, boy I'm breaking heartsNo keys, push to start
>>28593626Nah this is actually boomer posting. Fobs are a straight up upgrade in everyway.
>>28593731there's nothing at all wrong with a key.
>>28593741There's nothing right with it either.
>>28593748Cheap to replace, will always work, can't be defeated with a range extender
>>28593741keys bend
>>28593797If you're a fucking gorilla maybe
>>28593797Is there a chance the track could bend?
my car lets me hold the button and then kick the clutch to start if i wanted a better feel>>28593721this tho. Its deffo the most harmless and inconsequential thing about modern car
Sold my old car half a year ago, I really miss turning the key.
>>28593803not on your life my hindu friend!
>>28593797You can cut a new one.
>>28593626It's cool in a race car but gay in a nu-car.
So is car enthusiasm just autism and OCD and other diseases that should be just killed off like OP, or are there people who are actually interested in cars in a normal way?
>>28593785>Cheap to replace20 year old fob on my Lexus still works fine , nothing to replace>will always workUntil it gets worn down>can't be defeated with a range extenderCan be defeated with a screwdriver
>>28593748>There's nothing right with it either.lollmao even
the auto stop start is the real kicker, push to start is fucking nothing
>>28593731I was born in 2001. I hate push button start. I hate tablets in the dash. Its a car. The fact that I'm young is WHY I hate them. I know exactly how unreliable and shitty this stuff is. Why would I want any of it in 50 feet of something my life depends on?I'm so sick of crotchety old millennials praising the latest junk because they're scared of being made fun of or being called old and irrelevant. Sometimes the new stuff is just bad.
>>28593626The mechanical security they put in late models key starts is a giant fucking pain in the ass when they break. I'd rather have a key if they'd leave it as dirt cheap '70s tech as a last line of defense behind an electronic fob though.
>>28593856If you care about something you tend to get very particular about the details, its just an expression of love for <thing>. It's not unique to cars, but you would have to have a hobby to know that :^)
>>28593856I don't understand how you can be interested in cars and not see it as a bad thing. Its just another thing thats going to breakWhen I see a gimmicky feature I don't go "oh cool!" I go "when will this break and how much is it to replace"
>>28593856If you're looking for a commuter to get to work, might I suggest >>>/n/?
At this point it just makes me depressed to see all these weird old people get excited about better screens and electric cars while pretending they're still part of the youth and are the future
>>28593899who are you talking about?
>>28593892No nigger thats just autism >>28593893>just another thing thats going to breakHow the fuck are you breaking your push button start Legitimately how are you this retarded If anything physical keys break more >>28593894Might i suggest blowing your brains out with a shotgun because youre an antisocial freak
>>28593915Technically, push button start is usually coupled with a transmitter/receiver system fob, but those only really "break" in the sense that the battery can die. Triumph motorcycles did have a bad batch of fobs where the batteries lost contact with the fob's circuitry, but that was a one-time fix of shimming the battery. >>28593626Of ALL the gross shit in nu-cars, this is what you focus on? Not fake exhaust noise, not huge screens everywhere, not a billion beepers/dingers, you focus on moving from rotary switch to a pushbutton switch?
>>28593915there's nothing antisocial about disliking tourists.
>>28593889Ok Boomer
>>28593920Works on my machine >>28593927cope, im imagining the group of people who seethe about push button starts of all things, what they look like and sound like. not one of them seems properly socially adjusted.
>>28593932I already said I don't care about push button starts. I do prefer a basic ass key though
>>28593626Push button ignitions never bothered me.Race car has one, although I removed about 1/2 the switches size that pic was taken
>>28593889lmao yeah man you're so unique and QUIRKY and totally not just some contrarian cunt that's just like everybody else.
>>28593936that's a lot of switches
>>28593626Ignition should be a physical circuit breaker. Push buttons, id they exist at all, should be a TOGGLE, not an electronically controlled shitfest.
>>28593935well OP cares and i found that really weird.
>>28593626Really pisses me off that the only way I can have the radio stay on when I turn the car off is to let the auto-stop start thing happen, then jam it into first gear so it can't start the engine by itself.If I press the button, the radio turns off with the engine.
Push to start is fine but the buttons should really be a physical button you have to press and hold to make the engine crank like turning the key maybe with a guard cover like race cars not a touch button from a 2015 gaming PC you press and it starts itself. The only souless part is these shaitanic sex toy remotes. They should still have a physical key you insert into the centre console like a SAAB. You can't even say its its more secure since criminals have already figured out how to bypass them. You can keep all that shit to verify the physical key and it would probably be more secure.
>>28593626I would prefer a multiple switch startup personally, but that's probably my mecha autism leaking.
>>28594133i unironically have this. I have a aftermarket pin that i type before starting my car to prevent theft.
>>28594133that's just a race car.you flip switches for stuff like priming fuel pump, cooling fans, etc, then hit your start button
>>28593626Love it, no fiddling with keys, push button and go. No fumbling for remotes to unlock the door, just walk up, grab the handle, you're inside. Push a button and take off. Keep the screens, leave the button.Sucks to drive my keyed cars. "Where's the button? There is no button. Fuck. Now I have to dig the keys out of my pocket. Which one is for this car? Where's the hole? There's no hair around it. Oops, won't turn. Wheel was cranked over now I have to jiggle the steering wheel to get it turn."After you have experienced the joy of PBS using keys is like pic related.
>>28594151I think you got excited looking for this picture and started projecting. Push button start fucking sucks.
>>28593626My '71 Nova had a stop/start button. It also had a master kill switch. And the doors were welded shut. And it had one seat. Dirt track was fun. Sold it to pay bills when I was injured and out of work a few years ago. Kept the house though, that's what matters. All my pictures of it are gone, my cunt ex stole and then destroyed both my old laptop and my camera when we split up. Oh well. I can still see and hear it in my mind.
>>28593626They do that on purpose.They want you to think of your car as an appliance, so that when it breaks down you will just give up and buy a new one.
>>28594196
>>28594196you can repair appliances though
>>28594133I'm surprised supercar/sport cars don't do this a a gimmick >Battery Master ON (with a little analogue volt meter for aesthetics)>Fuel Pump ON (that you call L/P Cock to ape fighter planes)>Radiator Fan ON with a TEST button that will automatically send power through the relay which IMO all fucking cars should have for easy wrenching>Ignition ON>ECU/EFI ON>Alternator ON (Call it Generator ON for more fighter jet LARP)>A physical press button with a red guard/cover you flip open then hold down to crank the engine until it turns over>Launch Control ARM switch that automatically resets to off when you launch. I think it would cause a lot of good publicity/hype and car enthusiasts would enjoy it. It wouldn't even be difficult or complex you just switch them all to ON. You could even leave all of them in the ON position except the battery switch then press start. Ofc I know they won't ever do that for a production car because supercars are now made for status symbol buyers not the kind of people who would have tracked an F-40 back in the day. Anything more complex than a single touch button has a high risk that a 60 IQ rapper or a trust fund baby/arab sheik will leave the cooling fan off and cook their engine.
>>28593731This, it’s literally the only thing about new cars I like. Transponders have been common since the late 90’s, it’s not even new tech. This board is just full of contrarian retards.
>>28594234I prefer keys. I've owned cars with both. I just like keys more.
>>28594223This but also add: Additional switch to run the fans full-time/pre emptively in extreme heatNight Mode switch that kills every interior light except for the speedometer
>>28594151Whoa there, you have clumsy retards breaking their push button starts every other day apparently
>>28593731this has nothing to do with fobs. many cars came with a starter that you turn
>>28593884one of these things lead to the other
>>28594151you can do all of this and still have a traditional turning ignition. i had a car that was exactly this way before
>>28594234im not talking about key fobs you god damn mutants this thread is specifically about the fucking push button lol
>>28594246Have the Fan TEST button toggle so you can just have the fan always on when needed (which makes sense anyway if you were testing the fan motor/relay since you'd want to keep it running while you get out the car and check) and a DAY/NIGHT lighting switch is perfect but what I'd do something SAAB didn't by making it change the speed backlighting to a soft gelled red and more generally an aircraft style light intensity knob would be a good idea. Other switches I've thought of since posting. >a guarded race mode switch>an ABS ON/OFF switch>TCS ON/OFF switch >add a tiny AV voltmeter on the alternator switch too for aesthetics mostly but also it lets you see if your alternator is working. If you wanted to go completely off the deep end you could fill the entire car with soft press buttons, switches and toggles for minor stuff that would normally be touch screen menus. Retro aesthetics are a money spinner but cars can't pull off exterior retro styling well due to regulations forcing the modern bar of soap style but you can make your interior as retardedly retro 80s as you want.
>>28593889>I was born in 2001
Curious for the people who drive "keyless" cars. Do you forget to take the key out of ignition when you switch cars? Every time i drive a car with button start i instinctively try to remove a non existent key. Other than that no real problem.
>>28593626I love push start
>>28594296I'm a decade older than him, so you must have just turned 18
>>28593889>I'm young>Born in 2001Hahahaha creep
>>28593626don’t get me wrong, I like the tactile feel of buttons, but after driving my 10th generation civic for nearly 10 years I have to say the touchscreen and push start work flawlessly as the day I bought it. I understand the hate, but even on this base model vehicle, it all works perfectly after 10 years of rugged use.
>>28594478You can tell how reliable a component is by it's accessibility.Like that ABS pump for example.I fully expect that thing to be Nokia 3310i levels of indestructible. Meanwhile in picrel, I've lost count of the number of Megane 3 and Fluence ABS pumps I've changed.
>>28593729Based wiz enjoyer
>>28594274It is basically just the difference between a rotary electrical contact and a push button electrical contact. I will ask again, all the way more gay shit in nu-cars really doesn't bother you more than this?
>>28594209Tried that with my previous dishwasher from a reputable brand, first myself then with a local white goods technician, didn't really work. Info is scarce, parts are either non-existent or cost half of the new one. We have or had it good with cars.
>>28594246>Additional switch to run the fans full-time/pre emptively in extreme heatJust why? Properly functioning electric fans already do that. If you want to force e-fans on for testing purposes or something, just turn the aircon on.>Night Mode switch that kills every interior light except for the speedometerI own a Saab and that's inferior to killing everything including dashboard speedometer backlight while having a proper HUD. Helps with airspace vibes too, since HUDs came from there.
>>28594293>what I'd do something SAAB didn't by making it change the speed backlighting to a soft gelled redBMW had that by default, and lots of cars nowadays have customizable RGB backlights.>aircraft style light intensity knobLots of cars have knobs/wheels for adjusting backlight intensity instead of +/- buttons. I like GM trucks that turn interior lights on if you turn it all the way up.>Have the Fan TEST button toggleThat's the A/C button>a guarded race mode switchWhat's a race mode? Lots of cars have separate mode switches for subsystems like the gearbox, suspension or engine. Why would you want it guarded? Just place it somewhere you won't accidentally press it with your knee or a drink.>an ABS ON/OFF switchModern cars very rarely benefit from that, but there's a lot of guides how to wire such button yourself.>TCS ON/OFF switch Most of the cars have that, but usually it's a momentary button and the system turns back on after the next ignition cycle.>add a tiny AV voltmeter on the alternator switch too for aesthetics mostly but also it lets you see if your alternator is working. You don't understand electricity, do you? Apart from that, cars do have voltmeters, some have or had gauges or displays for them. What has been lost but should be returned is ammeters to measure the current draw. Lots of cars have them too, btw, but no way to present the readings to the driver.
>>28594541He's kind of right, you are forced to interact with the damn button every fucking time. More often than probably with any other gay interior component you can't get rid of.
>>28594548Not to mention many appliances now, especially cheap ones, are not made with serviceability in mind and nothing is easily taken apart. I've had multiple experiences with screws made with the softest metal stripping away the moment I touch them
>>28593626>lamest changes in recent times?my 2005 megane had this already.
>>28594573Wife recently bought the cheapest possible handheld milk/frappe maker. Inside were a holder for AA batteries, a brushed motor, a switch and really shitty wires between them, but out of three screws holding it together one was a security screw. I mean they literally decided to spend money on a screw different from the other two, different tooling to install it and so on. Instead of not spending them or using just a tad better wires for example.
>>28594566You touch the A/C or the radio (both now touch screen controlled through an awfully designed UI) less than the fucking starter?>>28594564Radiator fans aren't the same as the blower fans.
>>28594583>You touch the A/C or the radio (both now touch screen controlled through an awfully designed UI) less than the fucking starter?Of course. Most of the time I'm okay with HVAC in "auto". Sometimes I want more air to my legs or to adjust the temperature a bit, but not every time I drive, and I have mechanical controls for those even in a car with push button start. Prefer encoders to buttons for the temperature though.Don't listen to radio, I have BT or wired AUX in every vehicle, though I really like the sound only in my old truck.>Radiator fans aren't the same as the blower fans.Blower fans as in cabin heating/ventilation blower? Or as in push vs pull?
>>28593731>get in car>fob in hand>key not detected errorReal problem im having right now on my 18 Chevy, the first car I’ve had with a fob. I’m feeling really upgraded! I agree with the other zoomer, millennial tech obsession trash
>>28594633Okay but you bought a vehicle from a company that was bailed out 3 times by the government because the average population is smart enough to not buy from them. Did you actually expect to get a good car or is critical thinking not your strong suit?
>>28594649>you bought a car from the worlds fourth largest automaker how dare youKys
>>28594476Not exactly, but my push button car has a wiper control stock where the shifter is on my other two cars so I often catch myself turning the wipers on trying to put it into drive, lol
Original 1959 Mini had a floor-mounted push-button start. There's nothing new
>>28594869It wasn't a push-button stop or a push-button power. Just the starter. And that Mini still had the key. That's what the majority is complaining about, but you're apparently too dumb to understand.
>>28594649>Okay but *dumb excuse*Metal keys are simple and work.
>>28594021>toggle switch for a starter motor
>>28594505>PicAn engineer will walk over a thousand virgins just to fuck a mechanic in the ass.
>>28594564>>Have the [radiator] Fan TEST button toggle>That's the A/C buttonerr>You don't understand electricity, do you? Apart from that, cars do have voltmeters, some have or had gauges or displays for them. What has been lost but should be returned is ammeters to measure the current draw. Lots of cars have them too, btw, but no way to present the readings to the driver.Yes anon most cars have DC voltmeters but wrinkle your brain a while and consider why I would put an alternating current voltmeter next to the ALTERNATOR switch on a startup panel and why that might be useful in diagnosing ignition issues.You could also have a light extinguish when the alternator is outputting DC.
>>28594881>but you're apparently too dumb to understand.Of course I am. I'm glad you explained to me all about one of the many cars I've owned, otherwise I would never have understood. Thank you.
>>28595161>errWhat's wrong? Every car I know turns radiator fans on if you turn the aircon on.>alternating current voltmeter Ah, that's what you meant by "AV voltmeter", sorry. I thought that was confusion between amps and volts, not a typo.>why that might be useful in diagnosing ignition issuesI think voltage spikes from failing rectifier are going to affect a lot of other systems even before doing anything noticeable to the ignition in a relatively modern car, but I never had such failures, so that's purely theoretical. And I don't even think using an AC voltmeter specifically would be a good idea for two reasons: the ripple that can fuck something up is not guaranteed to be a sine, and there probably already is an analog-digital converter you can use. But I'm no electrical engineer.
>>28593626It’s only cool if it’s in a rwd sports car
Not really... It's 'different' but not like the retarded knob shifters, auto PARK mode when opening the doors, Chevys 'I wont start unless the doors are closed', nanny baby back bullshit
>>28595718Knob shifter hate is the dumbest shit I can't believe is popular. It's the objectively best design for a shifter behind column. The Ford and Ram ones are so good because you just turn right to drive, left to park. Easy, intuitive, no way to accidentally shift into the wrong thing, like L or N, effortless. You only have to make a conscious effort to reverse which is fine because that's an action you should be more conscientious of so it should be harder to do.
>>28593889Fact-Based boomer take
>>28593889i am gen Y and you are based&redpilled as you youngsters say
>>28593626You fucking idiot, I always hated carrying a key in my pocket. It's nice having a fob because I don't stab myself in the leg any more.
>>28593626If its good enough for F1 and other motorsports, then its good enough for me.
>>28597231anon most people don't start their cars with screwdrivers.
>>28597231imagine being this retarded. i drive a car that has a fob yet no gay push button start
>>28593939Nailed him. Touch screen radio with volume knob is literally just better, total npc mode to act like its bad.
>>28594151You sound like a genuine invalid.
>>28597505and you sound like a fag
>>28594505Do you really need flare nut wrenches if the nuts look clean like in your pics? I need to remove mine to get to the clutch delay valve hidden under it and only have normal wrenches.
