If Chinese cars were allowed into the US, 1/2 of our domestic producers would be bankrupt by Friday afternoon.
>>28601075And? I'm still not buying one.
>>28601079>LOOK AT ME IM A SPEICAL SNOWFLAKE AND THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSEDoesn't matter what the fuck you do. Most consumers buy whatever is priced the lowest.
You can buy Chinese heavy machinery... How many construction sites do you see running that shit? You can buy Chinese power tools... How many professionals are running Chinese power tools? What makes you think people want Chinese vehicles when they can spend $3k more and get something trustworthy and reliable?What's up with the recent Chinese dick sucking here? Is it you euros coping with your inevitable future?
>>28601086>What makes you think people want Chinese vehicles when they can spend $3k more and get something trustworthy and reliable?Because I see Kias and Hyundais everywhere on the road
>>28601075If you buy one, you are a spineless beta. Easy as.
>>28601092Those are closer to what Japanese cars were and have a proven track record. It'll be a very fucking long time until people in the free world start to think of Chinese goods as not just throw away garbage.
>>28601095lmaothey are fucking garbage. People could spend a few grand more and get a Mazda or Toyota, but they don't. Bring in the chink cars and it will be no different.
truechinese government subsidizes them out the ass and if other governments don't protect themselves from chinese dumping, they risk their homegrown industries
>>28601084Yes, I know that, and that's why I'm better than you and the rest of the unwashed masses.
>>28601098>People could spend a few grand more and get a Mazda or Toyota, but they don't.You're living in 2002... Japanese cars are junk now. While Korean cars aren't much better they're still many steps above a chink car. If you can sell a chink equivalent of a Civic or a Elantra for half the price you might be onto something but that will never fucking happen in the free world.
>>28601105South Korean cars are complete fucking trash. Japanese cars aren't as good as they used to be, but they are no where near Kia/Hyundai levels of trash except for maybe Nissan.Regardless you're missing the point - people will buy whatever is the cheapest.
>>28601108>people will buy whatever is the cheapest.That's why only mid to high trim level vehicles sell and the average vehicle selling price is over $40k right? I don't think you know how things work in the free world.
>>28601118Trim has nothing to do with. If the Chinese can put out a comparable vehicle with all the fancy buttons and features as a US brand for less money, it's going to sell more. There is a reason why US car manufactures lobby hard to prevent China from entering the market. cope and seethe all you want tard, it's basic economics
>>28601075Good. They've peddled us garbage for decades. Just stipulate that the Chinese conpanies have to set up factories here and employ mostly Americans. They have surpassed us in technology, it's time we advanced by using their products instead of being stuck with our shit.
>>28601126Yeah and small trucks don't sell because of CAFE and the "chicken tax", right?
>>28601086My company uses chinese trucks
>>28601138Where and what does the company do? I haven't seen anybody doing that in the free world.
>>28601084No they don't.
>>28601075>If Chinese cars were allowed into the USIf they were allowed in the way they are, without NHTSA and EPA testing, there would be great problems with the extra-thin sheet metal and flimsy undercarriages. They have no reserve headroom to deal with rust or corrosion since China makes cars for a 5 year lifespan.
>>28601075listn up you american fagsin europe we already have chinese invasion: byd, mg, chery, omoda, jaecoo, beijing, nio, all those funny names these shitboxes have issues on same level as euro cars but are much cheaper. We noticed that subframes and crucial parts have zero rust protection or even paint. In europe we keep our cars longer with us so if somebody plans to own a car for ~15-20 years then this is a dealbreakerbut for you americans that consider a 5yo car old these would be great. Interiors are comfy, cars look weird but futurustic. And you get rid of them so fast that you wouldn't notice that dangerous rusting
>>28601280that's not wood....
>>28601086>How many professionals are running Chinese power toolsLiterally all of them as only DeWalt assembles Chinese parts here in the US. Literally every company is mic from hobby to pro unless you've got some crackhead priced woodworking tools from Lichtenstein or Germany.
>>28601275Here in burgeristan, euro shitboxes are also avoided like the plague. If chinkshit were introduced to the market somehow, domestic brands would just lower lease pricing a bit and run the uber shitboxes out of existence in a few monthsThat's assuming they even get sold in the first place since new cars sold in the US still have to pass various roadworthiness and safety standards, even if the emissions shit has relaxed significantly
>>28601275How are the higher end models?
>>28601301Trash but with faux leather seats and interior LED lighting
>>28601280these are instant noodles, not wood
>>28601086>You can buy Chinese power tools... How many professionals are running Chinese power toolsmilwaukee is made in the usa from globally sourced materials of course :^)
>>28601086>How many professionals are running Chinese power tools?Mostly all of them.
>>28601075>dominates roads across the world, from Bogota to BudapestI drive into Budapest from the 'burbs a few times a week. Seeing a BYD is very rare. Suzuki "dominates the roads" in Hungary. I think they must be more popular elsewhere in the EU. Maybe that will change when BYD's passenger car factory opens in Szeged next year or when they complete the move of their European HQ to Budapest, but, as of right now, you're more likely to see a GM Corvette than a BYD in BP.
>>28601075Amazing how fucking dumb western leaders are, killing the industry that the west is expert at, internal combustion, in favor of something the chinese have 100% of the market of; batteries and electric motors.>What did these fucking retards expect would happenGreen new deal my left nut
>>28601418Top: Has indoor plumbingBottom: Shits outsidekek
>American drivers crashing cheaply made Chinese cars and roasting alive in shoahs on a regular basisHmm.
jap cars used to be labeled as shit too but now they're classics
>>28601075True, then Ford would be a subsidiary of BYD by 2030
>>2860107590% of BYD sales come from inside its domestic market (china)china's entire automotive industry is sourced from stolen US IP. subsidized communist tesla clones.
>>28601100Why don't we just subsidize our car brands then?
>>28601075so true
>>28601075Ecactly why after we win and deport the browns, we still need to enslave like 75% of the white population to make the west a liveable place again. The average norm norm cannot be trusted with making life decisions.
>>28601275>In europe we keep our cars longerlol
>>28601075The countries they sell those cars in have shit safety standards. To be able to sell them in the US they would need to be improved significantly, and their cost would go up significantly as well, eliminating the one reason people would have to buy them, being cheap.
>>28601075>If Chinese cars were allowed into the USThey are, the Buick Envision is quite literally made in China. Not assembled in Korea or finished in the US, literally made 100% in China and sold in the US (to the same clueless boomers that'll cry about "buying American")
>>28601740>mommy, please go buy more money
>>28601760Are you implying it's impossible? Cause China is doing it.
>>28601758I'm not talking about just bring made in China. That car is made in china under the supervision and regulations of a US corporation built to the standards of US vehicle safety requirements.I'm talking about Chinese companies, designing & building cars themselves to shitty standards because they're made for markets that don't care if they are death traps.
>>28601720>stolen US IPImagine believing that you can have property rights over ideas lmao. If you can't turn an idea into (profitable) reality, or at least partner with someone who can, then don't cry when someone else comes along and does it better than you.>but china-Chinkshit, barring a few factories (that coincidentally have US managers + engineers on the floor), is non-competitive when it comes to any technology from the last two decades. The only good thing to come out of them is semiconductors, but that's a Taiwan exclusive product
>>28601765it's possible if you're retardedeverything is possible for you anon
>>28601785Stop talking like a fucking bridge troll speaking in riddles and just say what you're trying to say.
>>28601793china has the entire battery supply chain in country and builds EVs at the cheapest prices possible even without subsidies and they STILL aren't breaking even and accumulating debtbattery science still needs to improve for EVs to make economic sense
>>28601084Not the electrics. Americans have been convinced that electric=bad, even more so now that the tax credit is removed.Chinese cars would need to be ICE and come in under 20k despite harsher tariffs to get under the existing economy options.
>>28601272>5 year lifespanHoly shit, the chinks really doubled down on that planned obsolescence.Do they also allow predatory lending practices?
>>28601075They really wouldn't make a difference because A. EVs are extremely unpopular as it isB. The multitudes of Buyer Beware videos that would come out detailing that Chinese garbage is still garbage
>>28601075BYD? The same BYD under investigation for selling zero mile used cars to pocket subsidies and pump their sales numbers?
>>28601075Except with tariffs they would never be sold for $23,200 in the US.
>>28601075You have to meet regulations to sell cars in the US. BYD was on track to sell one (1) of their sedans in the US and then shut down all plans after Trump took office.
>>28601837Tesla is the most profitable per vehicle though, in the USA.
>>28601075I haven't seen 1 BYD car
>>28601956yes, due to subsidies and people buying car for reasonably close to full pricethere are no $24k teslas like in op
>>28601075If the Chinese were not obsessed with pushing out "new" garbage, they could have easily flooded the markers with cheap i4 cars that can be build to a higher-than-fiat standard and took over the world. Instead they are going through the same burn-out that tesla did by selling EVs to adopters with no real plan what to do after
>>28601983Tesla has the same subsidies as other auto makers, which are having trouble eeking out a profit of EVs. It has nothing to do with subsidies.
>>28601740We can’t afford to subsidize them and the corn farmers!
>>28601992Are you implying China, with 3 times the population of the USA, doesn't subsidize their food production?
>>28601740>>28601992The only reason GM, Ford, and RAM still exist today is thanks to the US government subsidizing them during downturn years
>>28602001They didn't subsidize them, they just gave them giant loans which they paid back.
>>28602002>which they paid backUS took a 60% stake in GM which they ended up selling back at a loss in the end. Those loans were never paid back.
>>28602003> The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was the largest of the bailouts. In 2008, TARP allocated $426.4 billion to various major financial institutions. However, the US collected $441.7 billion in return from these loans in 2010, recording a profit of $15.3 billion.
>>28601990>Tesla has the same subsidies as other auto makersthis is technically correct, because other companies recently started receiving subsidies for EVs as well>It has nothing to do with subsidies.there is NO WAY getting billions in subsidies in 2014 could possibly affect anything of course
>>28601740Because our politicians are totally unserious at best and utterly malicious at worst
>>28602011>"you will get a free laptop if you get a B or better in your classes">1 kid studies hard and gets As and Bs>other kids slack and get some Cs>that 1 kid gets a laptop>other kids get nothing>"That 1 kid having a laptop is a huge advantage and isn't fair"
>>28601142Roadworks.
>>28601755Lmao americans will cope all the way to their grave
>>28602022this retarded analogy shows the depth of your stupiditytesla was first to the market and got the production cycle straightened out due to enormous amount of subsidies while the others started drawing plans after it became obvious that there's a marketit doesn't mean that tesla is special and """""""studied hard""""""", retard
>>28601075It's pretty easy to make cheap cars when:1. The Chinese government is paying for all your expenses no questions asked.2. You only have to pay your wage slaves $5000 a year https://carnewschina.com/2024/05/20/strike-at-byd-factory-in-wuxi-workers-seek-fair-treatment/3. China opens a new goal power plant every 3 days because fuck the environmenthttps://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-construction-of-new-coal-power-plants-reached-10-year-high-in-2024/4. You can dump toxic waste wherever because see point 3.The biggest environmental lobbying group in the West is the Chinese government.China is attempting the Walmart strategy to take over industry. If they can float their cars in they can destroy competition. Then they jack up prices which simultaneously allows them to correct the problems listed above at the expense of other countries.
>>28602039Those subsidies didn't specify Tesla brand only. Other auto makers could have out competed Tesla at any time.
It should be pointed out that China itself placed numerous restrictions to keep foreign cars out in order to develop their own auto industry. Up until a few years ago, China had 100% tariffs on imported cars (and still has like 25% tariffs), and required most foreign companies that wanted to build in China to avoid the tariff to "partner" with a Chinese company, which of course is how those Chinese auto companies speed-ran the "how to design and build car" process. So using protectionist measures against Chinese automakers is simply basic tit for tat.
>>28602075So why didn't the USA do that?
>>28601770they don't do it better, they do it cheaper because they can pay slave wages and employ underage workers in substandard working conditions thanks to communism and currency manipulation.china is the epstien island of manufacturing
>>28601075>$20K chink carTOO MUCH! Make it $3-4K, so I can endure the poor chink quality and reliability.
>>28601100okay okay wait a sec hear me out. if china is subsidizing their companies and they are doing great AND they have the money to do it. what the actual fuck is our government doing with our money when our tax revenue is far higher than china's?
>>28601075And despite all that, I'd still rather pay more for a better built Japanese car. 'Made in China' is not something to be proud of.BYD is just taking the GM approach; Sell lots and lots and lots of crap for a low price. BYD isn't remarkable in this respect.
>>28602202>china is subsidizing their companies and they are doing greatyou're sure about that?
Chinese brands aren't even in the top 10 Europe
>>28602040This.The issue isn't competition. The US gets competition from Italy, Germany, Japan, Korea, etcThe issue is a foreign government, China, using slave labor and tax subsidies to destroy virtually irreplaceable industry players so that they are the only game in town.Very Baby Boomer mindset to be okay with it.
>>28602245MG is 11th, just outside of the top 10 once you merge the different brands of each manufacturer togetherI'm not surprised they're not catching on though, I'm not sure if Europe has the same view of Chinese stuff as America but even if not, their brands are still kinda unknown so I'd be surprised if normies knew about them.
>>28602077The US has done such measures; there is a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, for example, which is part of what OP is complaining about, and the US has used tariffs / threats of tariffs to encourage auto makers to set up manufacturing in the US plenty of times in the past (that is why the Japanese automakers set up a bunch of US factories in the 1990s). Tariffs to protect and develop industries work reasonably well, as long as your domestic market is large enough to get enough economies of scale and your local labor force is capable of the task.
>>28601084Then why are there so few Mirages on the road? It's the cheapest.
>>28602245The fact that OP doesn't want to admit is that the Chinese dumping push already hit its peak 2 years ago and is now at a steady decline as Europe/US instituted tariffs and canceled most of their EV friendly incentives. Now they are stuck trying to offload them onto Africans and Indians, and they are nowhere near rich enough to make Chinese car companies profitable. What China should have done is spam cheap i4 trucks and US compliant SUV's everywhere that could avoid any true direct attacks like EVs are susceptible to
>>28601086>You can buy Chinese power tools... How many professionals are running Chinese power tools?Literally all of them on every jobsite ive been on. I've never seen a snap-on impact or ratchet in the wild. For every dewalt (made in china but ASSEMBLED IN USA rah rah rah!!!) I see several Milwaukee's and other brands.
>>28601086>trustworthy and reliableExcept that's not what American cars are. Construction machinery companies must maintain a reputation if reliability because it's niche specialty equipment, if the brand is known for being shit no company will buy it. If a car brand is shit there's still millions of retards who don't do any research that will buy it. Now that all brands have gone to shit, everyone just expects their car to go to shit in 5 years and buys a new one.EVs should not even be expensive. There's no reason for them to cost more than a gas car. You don't need fucking 500mi range in an EV, rarely is the full range of a gas tank ever used.
>>28602231pretty sure. selling lots of cars and making money is good?
our government is afraid of chinese jumping car technologyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIKAn8yDkpA
>>28601075Not so fast.We should import these cars, but build a domestic aftermarket.
>>28602561all car manufacturers are doing good by that retarded metric
>>28601086>How many professionals are running Chinese power tools?>milwaulkee
>>28602564>jumping carkek imagine some kid doing this at 80MPH with bald tires in the rain
>>28602588yeah but, you know, if we tier them on a list and rank them based on how many cars they sell and how much money they make versus how much they cost we can see some are doing a lot better than others?
>>28601105>Japanese cars are junk now. While Korean cars aren't much betterPost toolbox, plot twist it doesn't exist, wrenchlet, faggot, ricer, auto only
>>28601291>Literally all of themColdest day in hell, wrenchlet, faggot
as usual clueless chinkshills try pushing evs on a board that doesn't even like western evs
They absolutely WOULD dominate... doesn't even matter if it's good quality.. It's NEW and it's CHEAP... The Mitsubishi Mirage sold almost 30k units in 24, you think that's entirely because of it's 'known lasting quality and performance'?
>>28602276>tax subsidies to destroy virtually irreplaceable industry players so that they are the only game in town.That's just Tesla
>>28602622yeah
>US doesn't like cheap EVsIs that why they're bringing back the Bolt? Americans hate it?
>>28601853>Do they also allow predatory lending practices?Yes, and they also do that with employment. Let's say you go to work at some factory job. You stay at the company dormitory with many people per room. You get an ADVANCE from the company. Of course there are repayment terms and interest rate.The employer now delays paying you. You owe money that you cannot pay back since you haven't been paid. You complain but cannot quit as you have no where to go and if you ran off, the police will be after you for violations as well as money owed after the company filed a complaint against you in court. So you have a predatory lending right there.So you wonder why employees in those chinese news reports don't quit after FOUR, FIVE, and as much as EIGHT months of non payment or only fractional payment? Take a guess.
>>28602594A tool made with Chinese parts is not the same as a Chinese tool.
>>28602401That's not what I'm talking about, those are embargos. China doesn't do that.
Chinese cars often lack rust proofing. They also use the minimum legal thickness of sheet metal. That means the sides of the car has metal that is only a fraction of the thickness of a bicycle rim.
>>28601086>how many professionals are running Chinese power tools?All of them. Unless you buy exlusively Hilti and Festool and even these two have started to cut corners. Bosch used to make their shit in Malaysia.
>>28602631>be me>live in japan>go to tool aisle>everything Makita etc. is "Made in China">20 years ago it was all made in JapanYou will have nothing and you will enjoy the Great Enshittening.
>>28601075Fuck off chinksectoid
>>28601740Ford and GM are entirely supported by fleet sales to big corporations and the government. They are americas equivalent of lada and uaz at this point
I get a kind of perverse pleasure in knowing that if one could reply to shills in just the right sequence of events there's a very real possibility their chinese aspirations for a party supporting easy chinese life will get ruined.I really want more videos of roadside executions to be on the internet.Not enough people understand what China truly is and why noone should support them.
>>28602862>>28603876Made in China =/= made by china.3rd rate factory seconds cost cut in every area is not the same as by-the-design, controlled foreign IP.I don't want your $35 hammer drill, you know it's a total piece of shit.
>>28604243>pays $500 for the exact same hammer drill with a different logomany such cases
>>28604431Why do you even try your bullshit
>>28601075>dominates roads in Europelol they don't, they stand out like a sore thumb.Dailyreminder that chinks let their cars rot en masse in huge parking lots only to be able to say they "sold" them
>>28601291>>28601396>>28602498>>28602594>>28602862Seems like you retards don't understand the difference between "chinese manufactured with specifications from elsewhere" and "chinese manufactured with no training wheels"
>>28601075good
>>28603876Because once upon a time Japan was the cheap labor shithole everyone outsourced their manufacturing to. Then they made their own cheap copycats of western stuff which eventually evolved into their own brands.
