>>28607221
it's a terrible idea from the start to mass market EVs. gays are only like 5 to 10% of the population, therefor it's a very niche market.

>>28607222
I just think the entire concept of "charging your car" is backwards and retarded

>>28607231
yes, and inserting an electric butt plug into your "car" is full of homosexual overtones as well. no straight dude is going to be ok with that.

>>28607221
not as dumb as it seemed, they thought biden/kamala would win.

>>28607231
charging your car at home? THAT'S CRAZY
Driving somewhere to fill up your car with petrol and driving home? PERFECTLY NORMAL

>>28607239
Yeah exactly,

>>28607239
Even just keeping my cellphone fully charged can be a hassle, especially when certain chargers don't work well or break down, etc. Adding a car to it is even worse

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>>28607236

>>28607239
The concept of a personal charger that will work impeccably doesn't really seem like a good sell, and the idea that in the future we are going to have hundreds, to thousands, to ten thousand communal charger parking spaces is even more astronomically stupid.

>>28607244
Because keeping an ICE car running is totally hassle free.

>>28607260
Yeah, pretty much

>>28607239
Not everyome can charge at home. Try and sell EVs to people in NYC.

>>28607260
Works on my machine

>>28607260
Have you tried not being a little pussy?

>>28607297
>don't be a pussy
>nooo i cant plug in my car when i park it for the night its such a hassle

>>28607221
>Automakers

Liberals retards with no stem degree are more to blame.

Remember when California banned new gas car sales? They are the 7th largest economy in the world.

>>28607301
>forgot to plug it in for the night
>can't go anywhere in the morning

>>28607323
>post an unapproved opinion on social media at night
>can't go anywhere in the morning

>>28607328
Mindbroken

>>28607323
>forget to put gas in car
>can't go anywhere
crazy how that works
and how often are you going to use all 200-300 miles of range in a day? even a looong commute would be half that

>>28607336
>Borrow a gas can
>Problem solved
People don't fill on gas everyday you fuckin retard, and yet it also doesn't require another chore at home nor does it require you to share a communal charger elsewhere

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>>28607336
you can fill your car with gas even when its cold outside, lmao

>>28607239
you understand!

>>28607328
10 years ago:
>swap the battery in the phone
now:
>put a power bank in the same pocket with the phone

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>>28607344
>a brother and sister say
I know a guy who says his tesla works good in the winter
and maybe don't rent an ev for a 1400 mile road trip from florida to kansas like a retard

>>28607336
>forget to put gas in car
>have more that 100 km of range to remember
>bright light constantly reminds you by burning your eyes
or
>forget to put gas in car
>ignore light
>park in the garage
>spend 5 minutes in the morning to get 200 km of range
>throw empty jerrycan in the trunk

>>28607365
>forget to charge ev after commuting 80 miles to work and back
>have 200+ miles left to remember

>>28607222
lmao

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>>28607370
>Range is always 100% accurate
>Oh well now you're fucked

>>28607231
>using an energy source that's available literally everywhere in the developed world and not subject to week to week fluctuations because someone got upset in some third world shithole is backwards
EVs are the future. Manufacturers just have no fucking clue what the average buyer wants and they've made a bunch of EV designs nobody wants. There are certain niche situations where EVs are inferior but for almost everyone that's using their car for commuting and everyday moving around EVs are far superior.

>>28607374
>crackhead drills a hole in your gas tank
see I can imagine contrived scenarios where thing is bad actually too

>>28607370
>spend 5 minutes every 600 km
vs
>spend hours and be forced to observe reminders every 130 km
>while risking being stranded if you forget

This is the first time i've seen an actual newspaper headline posted on 4chan kek

>>28607370
>commuting 80 miles to work and back
Grim.

>>28607231
does it hurt your masculinity or pride or something?
no one can get this emotional about the way a vehicle is powered and refueled/recharged

>>28607384
I'm using an obscene worst case scenario to make a point, anon.
>>28607382
>plug in your car when you park it at home
>literally never think about it any other time

>>28607365
>>28607338
>goes to gas station
>gets robbed and murdered by a feral mexican crackhead
Why do you want to hang around undesirables at gas stations instead of the comfort of your home?

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>>28607392
Have you tried not being a little pussy?

>>28607231
why? you currently "charge" your car at the saudi oil bank. doing it at home for free seems like a better alternative.

>>28607406
>The United States is the world's largest producer of crude oil, with Texas being the largest oil-producing state by far, followed by New Mexico.

>>28607244
>Even just keeping my cellphone fully charged can be a hassle
oh, so the real problem is that you're simply retarded. got it.

>>28607405
being a non pussy isn't going to save you from pablo's 9mm hitting you in the face

>>28607415
Have you tried buying your own 9mm?

>>28607410
> Even just keeping my cellphone fully charged can be a hassle
Anon, i would not admit that in real life kek, what a fucking retard you are
>>28607244
>oh, so the real problem is that you're simply retarded. got it.
KEK

>>28607388
>think about it once in 600 km
>consequences for forgetting are spending an additional 5 minutes
vs
>think about it every time returning home
>consequences for forgetting are not getting to your destination the next day
>also think every time about the range before going somewhere besides work

>>28607431
>>consequences for forgetting are not getting to your destination the next day
>>28607370

>>28607392
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DEPORT AND GENOCIDE THOSE THAT MAKE YOUR COUNTRY A HELLHOLE
Cowardly little leftist FAGGOT

>>28607406
>You currently charge your car at the Saudi
??? Holy fuck hahahahahahahahaha

>>28607432
>think every time about the range before going somewhere besides work

>>28607431
>Additional 5 minutes
This is already demonstrably not the case

>>28607406
When you buy gas in the US, you're buying American 70%+ of the time, you fucking dipshit.

>>28607442
How so?

>>28607431
>Ever having to worry about """"range""" which has also shown to be inaccurate

Why won't EVniggers EVER post their hand? Why are you all brown and ashamed?

>>28607441
most normies almost never drive more than 300 miles in a day
it's rare for them to hit even half that

>>28607444
There's already people in California and the like bitching about wait times at charging stations you dumb fuck
>Inb4 oh well have ultra mega super chargers in no time! (We've been saying this for 7 years now)

>>28607450
Most people do not have to fill up gas everyday, and it's still never a forethought either

>>28607454
most people don't have to charge their ev every day, they just do it because you just fucking plug it in when you park it never think about it

>>28607434
Kek the funny thing is elon musk, bill gates, etc. have done way more to reduce the world's undesirable population than your oil companies

>>28607450
Incorrect, and
>almost never
is not good enough. Imagine having to go on a slightly longer trip once and not having a car to do that lmao
>sorry I can't go I can only drive 150 miles from home not further
>is it going to be too hot or too cold? sorry I can only do 100 then

>>28607451
>people in California
no such thing

>>28607461
Bill Gates has pushed vaccinations in Africa and their population keeps exploding, you fucking retard. I don't give a fuck about oil companies, like how you don't give a shit about electrical companies. You have such tremendous brain AIDS goddamn son.

I won't let little faggots like you henpeck people into a single mode of transportation. Your subsidies are fucking off world wide, you useless welfare nigger. Make a good car that people will buy without bribes.

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>Amerifat companies
They lost the EV arms race and are now blaming the EV market instead of their own inferior products. They had actually a shot with Tesla (despite Teslas being immensely shoddy constructions) but blew it too on Musk's nazi tirades.

Electric vehicles are the future. Our ability to create electricity from renewable energy sources and nuclear improves every year. Battery technology has improved immensely. LFP batteries allow cheaper and more reliable battery packs. BMW's new cylindrical solution allows for far denser concentration of battery cells with less risk of thermal runaway. Slowly the few disadvantages of EVs are being minimized. Meanwhile an ICE will forever carry its intrinsic flaws of being a combustion engine. It's a redundant stagnated 19th century technology.

>>28607471
>Make a good car that people will buy without bribes.
This is ironic coming from an American who needs worldwide tariffs and subsidies to sell his shitty American cars to weaker countries.

>>28607471
>and their population keeps exploding
this is a sign of low IQ
you can't fathom the concept that the populations would be EVEN HIGHER if bill gates didnt aggressively push birth control, vaccinations that actually sterilize you, etc.
> Your subsidies are fucking off world wide, you useless welfare nigger
Huh? Oil companies rely HEAVILY on subsidies. We literally go to war for oil companies.
The world is ruled by rich arab savages and you want to keep relying on them

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The reason America hates BEVs is because it is now a technology in which China holds the lead. This is why America fears it. It has nothing to do with anything else. It's simple realpolitik. It always is. This is why Trump is making all these anti-EV moves. Why he's pushing the petrol industry with record breaking subsidies. America has realized it lost the Electric arms race to China and it's too late to catch up with the current American capacities.

The Koreans, the Germans, the French, the Swedes, hell EVEN the Japanese are making huge investments in their EV platforms to challenge the Chinese. BMW (yes that renowned BMW) has invested billions and made its entire line-up of the coming decade on an EV platform. The ix3 50 is the company's biggest investment in decades. The war for battery driven vehicles is just gearing up. America though has realized it can't move past second gear (well Americans can't move gears at all) so now they have applied a very aggressive anti-EV policy.

>>28607466
All but a few current evs will do at least double that
Yes there are situations where it's not the best choice, but it's plenty for 99% of people 99% of the time, as evidenced by their continued adoption by normies.

>>28607475
Which subsidies? And bringing up Trump's 2nd term tariff policies like it's been the standard for years is faggot shit. Typical of a thirdie though.
>>28607477
You're a low IQ Bill Gates fan. That's nice sister, skip cutscene.

>>28607488
This. If you think about it, the way your vehicle is powered shouldn't be such a political thing, it shouldn't create this much hatred in discourse. No one cares that SSDs are better than hard disks.

Yet EVs create so much controversy in the west, people take attacks on gas engines so personally, especially in america. And its all because the race is being lost to china.

>>28607498
>No one cares that SSDs are better than hard disks.
Better in what ways? This is a decent analog to ICE vs EV. One is mechanical, so it is more prone to break down, but it's simpler to work on and price/perf you get more for your money. Compare 16TB HDDs to 16TB SSDs.

>>28607496
>Which subsidies?

https://ourworldindata.org/how-much-subsidies-fossil-fuels

https://www.fractracker.org/2025/03/fossil-fuel-subsidies-free-market-myth/

Congratulations, you just realized the world is a corrupt place and your special snowflake combustion engines aren't as fairly made and sold as you'd like to believe.

>>28607488
>China holds the lead
Lol China is a shit hole with an awful standard of living
>>28607493
>Double that
>Based on projections and circumstances

Having to revolve your transportation around charging your vehicle which can't give you 100% certainly in range is a huge fuckin issue

>>28607498
>And its all because the race is being lost to china.
This isn't even the case. It's only America that just gave up (because Americans are fat and retarded). VW, BMW, Renault, HMG are making EVs that outsell Chinese cars outside of China. Sure there's that aspect of heavy tariffs on China but still, China doesn't really have that big advantage on other car manufacturers besides battery technology.

>>28607505
>Facttracker
Redditors cultists like you are fuckin hilarious
>>28607498
You are fucking delusional and take tiktok bullshit at face value. It's very obvious

>>28607505
The first source is absolute garbage, can you provide something more credible? The 2nd is agenda driven, do you have something impartial, written by someone without a face piercing or dyed hair?

I hope our boys in uniforms keep killing niggers overseas to keep my Corvette on the road. Are you late this month on rent, rentoid? That'll be a 5% fee on next month's rent!

>>28607509
>Having to revolve your transportation around charging your vehicle which can't give you 100% certainly in range is a huge fuckin issue
I think you might have an actual anxiety disorder around this. Like I keep saying, normies just plug it in at night and never have to worry about it because they have 3x the range they need for the day.

>>28607513
Keep in mind this is only because left wing cultist governments banned petrol. The average demand still calls for Diesel and Petrol

>>28607509
If you can charge at home, you will charge your car fewer times publically than you will your petrol car. With a 400km range, you'll most likely not need to charge more than once or twice even on exceptionally long drives. The ones that people usually partake at most once a year.

>>28607516
Normies don't own homes where they can charge, bro

Day of the pillow soon, boomer.

>>28607516
This isn't the case though, seeing as people have independently demonstrated massive % lost in range depending on weather, traffic, etc.

>>28607514
>>28607515
>d-doesn't count

The IMF is now a commie cultist source?

https://theconversation.com/countries-spend-huge-sums-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-why-theyre-so-hard-to-eliminate-239346

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2023/08/22/IMF-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Data-2023-Update-537281

>>28607519
Your fantasies aren't based in real life, it's very obvious you do not have a car

>>28607525
Are you literally incapable of posting anything but emotional left wing bullshit?

>>28607521
Yeah no shit if you don't have a single fucking outlet in your life an EV ain't for you. A guy in my neighborhood charges his tesla in the parking garage. Those goalposts must be getting heavy.

>>28607526
I own a car but it's [spoiler]a PHEV. I hate driving it when the battery has depleted. I regret just not going full EV because I dislike noise when I'm cruising about[/spoiler]

>>28607527
>IMF report
>emotional
Are Amerifats really that buck broken by Fox News and TRUTH MEDIA fake news that they'll denounce everything else as left wing?

>>28607503
>more for your money
SSDs have gotten so cheap, even if they are still more expensive than HDDs, most normal people want an SSD in their computer. EVs are similarly getting cheaper and cheaper for better performance, and even if you could always get a 1.2l turbo 3cyl shitbox for even cheaper, most normal people don't want that.

I think the issue is that for cars, car enthusiasts heavily rely on the used market because they're generally poor and retarded. They need well-off "normies" to actively buy new gas engine cars so they can eventually get them second hand.

Unlike HDDs, cassette players, or other vintage items, where there will always be some company producing them for cheap and enthusiasts can reasonably buy them. With cars, not so much.

>>28607513
That's a cope, EU companies will easily get outcompeted even if they try to adopt EVs. China not only has a tech advantage but also a labor advantage.
The governments of the EU will spin that to say EVs are le bad or something.

>>28607514
Anon, I'm not the mentally ill freak who gets upset that his neighbor's car is powered a different way.

>>28607540
>That's a cope, EU companies will easily get outcompeted even if they try to adopt EVs.
Not sure if I agree. In Europe and NA, the sales of Chinese cars are in the dumpster. The VW group has had some pretty big successes the past year in the EV market as Tesla is fading away and Chinese are getting further strangled by tariffs.

>technology arrives that makes cars shit out LESS cancerous toxic gas into the air
>this somehow makes retards seethe
It's amazing. Someone could offer clean pure water to these retards but they would reject it in favor of the sugar-laced Coca Cola they already know and love. No wonder this planet is going down the shitter faster than ever.

>>28607532
>The IMF is unbiased
They're literally promoting digital currency on their front page you dip shit

>>28607556
>EVs are healthier for you!
Dumbass fuckin cultist piece of shit

>>28607528
>the fact EVs are marketed to young people who hilariously can't charge them is a goalpost being moved
What date is your transition surgery?

>>28607567
Like your President is. What was your problem with that when he did it?

>>28607556
My Porsche puts out cleaner air than it takes in

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>>28607574
How aren't EVs healthier than machines that spit out toxic gases every time you start the engine?

>b-but the battery production!!1!

Is still nowhere as dirty as the extraction, refinement, transport and then usage of petrol. And those effects are generally local to specific closed off sites. Not in cities with millions of inhabitants.

>>28607556
>No wonder this planet is going down the shitter faster than ever
Is the west getting outcompeted with china because it's stuck in the past?
Or the west stuck in the past because it's getting outcompeted by china as a coping mechanism?
Anyways it's clear that the cultural stagnation of the west is here... white civilization has reached a point where all its technological and intellectual potential has been used... china takes it from here... their IQ potential is higher and don't get emotional about things like the way your car is powered.

>>28607222
checked
but they're more like 2-4%. or at least they were before (((they))) started manufacturing them

>>28607488
America doesn't even make cars. It's all Toyotas and Stellantis.

>>28607498
>SSDs are better than hard disks.
Depends. Tape is better than both for certain things.

EV haters keep barking at the moving train.

>>28607580
Trump promotes crypto, not a cashless society dumb fuck

>>28607588
>Lithium batteries are healthier and non-toxic compared to the gas you exhale!
Cultist.

>>28607620
The irony is that this retard probably typed this on his phone.

>>28607498
Its people who have a stake in the petrol market. Its so easy to politicize any issue.

>>28607618
Apparently you can't read the newspaper. Stupid.

>>28607615
>Tape is better than both for certain things
Like for database storage? Not in personal laptops.
In the same way diesel engines are good for fuckhuge mining equipment vehicles, the average person doesn't need anything more than an EV that's easy to charge and commute around the city.

>>28607625
How is that irony? Most people complain about their phones being a POS, and unreliable past a few years .. Is this your point?

>>28607631
The irony being that your phone is powered by a lithium battery most likely made in China you retard.

>>28607634
Again, how is that ironic at all? Digital waste is literally at the forefront of pollution

>>28607620
>Trump promotes crypto
scammed with crypto

>>28607637
The irony being that you belittle a technology you yourself use every day, thinking it's somehow exclusive to electric vehicles. And your stupidity multiplies by each post as you try to equate the production of batteries to the same level of urban toxicity as combustion engines spitting out toxins.

>>28607637
>how is that ironic at all
Because in your pocket is a dangerous lithium battery. Why don't you get rid of it?
>literally at the forefront of pollution
Is it now? Pollution is mainly caused by the manufacturing of electronics?
>>28607631
>unreliable past a few years
The fuck are you talking about?

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-21/evs-are-much-lower-emitting-than-combustion-cars

My BloombergNEF colleague Corey Cantor just published a detailed report on the lifecycle emissions of electric vehicles, looking at everything from average battery pack sizes by region, battery manufacturing emissions, current and projected electricity-generation emissions, day- and night-time charging trends, and more.

Corey comes to the same conclusion that virtually all other independent studies have: EVs have lower lifecycle emissions than their internal combustion counterparts.

Even in places like China, where coal still plays a large role in power generation, EVs have lower emissions overall. The reduction is around 27% there, compared to 71% lower in a market like the UK, where coal has been mostly pushed out of the generation mix. In a market like the US, an EV becomes a cleaner option after about 25,000 miles of driving, which is about 2.2 years for the average US vehicle.

The power sector is changing rapidly, with more clean generation capacity being added to the grid. This means that by 2030, the breakeven point will have moved up significantly in all regions. An EV made in the US in 2030 will be lower-emitting after a year of driving, while in China, it will be after just over four years, based on current trends. Battery recycling eventually will push EV emissions down even further, as will localizing battery production closer to demand centers.

One final caveat to all vehicle lifecycle emissions work is that most studies (including BNEF’s) don’t include emissions from refining and distributing gasoline and diesel.

These fuels don’t just appear at the pump, and anybody who has driven by an oil refinery can see the vast scale of our current energy infrastructure. This is a tricky area to pin down, but global refinery emissions are somewhere around 1.4 gigatons of CO2 annually. That’s a few percent of global CO2 emissions.

>>28607260
>t. chevy driver

>>28607641
You need to look up what the word irony is. Like I said, most people consider their phones to be a POS, me included. It's full of bugs, it fucks up, and greatly loses its abilities after a few years. How TF is this helping your argument, or ironic at all you stupid bitch???

>>28607643
Not only the manufacturing of electronics, but the disposal of them too.
>What the fuck are you talking about
Phones start to give out and fuck up past a few years this is very common knowledge cult boy

>>28607647
>More left wing redditor cult shit

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>>28607647
half the data is made up projections that guess what? confirms their bias. this is basically a best case scenario for ev data, not actual data. guess who funded this "study."

>>28607737
>Phones start to give out and fuck up past a few years
Do you have evidence? Hasn't been a problem on my phone that I bought this year.

>>28607734
Then stop using your phone, bitch. That's right, you won't. Because not only are you spineless, but also a hypocrite. Your phone owns you.

>>28607757
The source state the worst case scenarios too. Even worst case scenarios are preferrable to ICE.

>>28607734
Don't get mad at us you own a shitty phone, ESL tard.

>>28607378
There's no reason not to go PHEV other than hating ICE. A 20mi charged range would half most people's yearly gas bill.

Thankfully automakers have started to agree with me.

>>28607384
I do 90. I don't prefer it but the work environment at my last place was so toxic it makes up for it.

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>>28607378
>real EVs have never been tried!!!

>>28607387
>does it hurt your masculinity or pride or something?
>no one can get this emotional about the way a vehicle is powered and refueled/recharged
yes and who cares what gays do in their own bedrooms? oh wait that's how it starts, and leftists always shove it down your throat. it's not enough they have their gay EV fagmobiles, they want to ban and castrate normal heterosexual gas cars for the rest of us. no, fuck you, fuck your totalitarianism and fuck EVs, i'm not giving an inch.

>>28607815
Your posts give a strong Pajeet vibe. It's ok, nobody is expecting your third world ass to use modern technology yet. You can remain in your polluted shithole for a few more decades.

>>28607770
https://www.bankmycell.com/blog/average-lifespan-of-smartphone
>Average smartphone lifespan is less than 3 years
https://nsysgroup.com/blog/average-device-lifespan-how-long-does-a-cell-phone-last/
>2.5 years
https://www.honor.com/uk/blog/how-long-do-smartphones-last/?srsltid=AfmBOor5-f8dw7B2QrpYllXusWsbB4p1jLNaHBSz3pyn15m2Vaz_qdOB
>2.5 years
https://everphone.com/en/blog/smartphone-lifespan/
>15-18 months

It's literally common knowledge you fuckin pussy

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>>28607800
>The left wing cultist from reddit is now trying to convince everyone that smartphones actually last longer than a few years

>>28607816
>your posts
this is my 4th post in the entire thread so i'm not sure what you're analyizing, but i do love how "you're a pajeet!!" is the new goto when shitlib retards lose the argument. retard: pajeets are for EV's and totalitiarianism. fwiw i'm a 55 year old boomer probably old enough to be your grandfather, fagboy. maybe kill yourself?

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>>28607794
again, all made up biased data. they admit its projected data, aka all bias'd bs.

>>28607815
>it's not enough they have their gay EV fagmobiles
But you're seething about this as well. The very existence of EVs angers you.
>they want to ban and castrate normal heterosexual gas cars for the rest of us
Oh you mean like wanting clean pollution free air?
Real heterosexual men let oil congolmerates pollute their air and die like real men to lung cancer right?

>>28607854
> Oh you mean appealing to emotions green energy faggot shit?
Yeah, you're a cultist

>>28607854
You legit remind me of Zoolander during the scene when he's at a bar with coal miners hahahahaha

>>28607820
He's still using his first gen iphone on that non-existent 3G network

>>28607521
I have a charging point in my apartment building. It's a non issue really.

>>28607809
That's not what I said and you know it retard. Until very recently there hasn't been wagon EVs. A huge portion of European car sales are wagons. Same with small hatchbacks. Literally all you could buy for ages as an EV were either large sedans or SUVs/crossovers. That leaves out a huge portion of car sales.

>>28607807
The only reason to buy an ICE car right now is if you're buying a used car on a budget.

>>28607792
We don't exactly have a gas powered phone as an alternative you buckbroken retard.

>>28607873
>I have a charging point in my apartment building
Most people don't live in luxury apartments. Again, try and sell New Yorkers on EVs when none of them can charge.

>>28607877
And you think the infrastructure doesn't catch up?

>>28607222
fpbp checked

>>28607878
Yes I look forward to them leveling buildings and redoing all the sidewalks to offer sidewalk charging in NYC. Jeetboi has such a big brain.

>>28607870
Yes, smartphones do not last that long, thank you for proving my point for me stupid ass

>>28607886
Imagine acting like a nigger to a dude that's on your side LAWL

>>28607878
You think we're going to have tens of thousands of communal charging stations? Hahahahahahahahahhahh

>>28607890
Oh I see you were referring to the redditor

>>28607885
Why the fuck would you level buildings to build sidewalk charging?

>>28607892
Literally every single electrical outlet is a charging station.

>>28607892
Two
More
Weeks

Drug addicts keep vandalizing them in my area to sell the fuckin' copper

>>28607222
checked

>>28607897
To build parking garages or lots for your plethora of charging stations you dullard

>Literally every single electrical outlet is a charging station
LMAO HE'S NOW SHILLING LEVEL 1 CHARGING

FROM 20% THIS TAKES LITERAL DAYS

>>28607897
>Literally every single electrical outlet is a charging station.
What the fuck do you think you're going to achieve with a 120v outlet? Don't pretend like you're any better off in Europe with your 20 garage wire. Also where are all these outlets you speak of? Even here in Leafland finding a block heater plug is pretty fucking hard. Legally I can't even plug in the block heaters of the vehicles in front of my house because it's illegal to have any sort of wire above, on or below the sidewalk. Of course you retards think the world is some utopia where there are high voltage and high current outlets everywhere.

>>28607903
>>28607919
Why not just build electrical outlets where the cars are parked right now? It's literally just running electrical cable and setting up outlets.

>muh level 1 charging
literally only an americuck problem with your inferior electrical network and 120V. You only need fast charging if you're charging from empty to full or during a road trip.

If you're living in a city you're not most likely spending a lot of energy even if you're using the car daily. You don't need fast charging and even amerimutt two phase 240 V is enough to charge overnight for well over 95% of users.

>>28607897
>Literally every single electrical outlet is a charging station
Are you fucking 12?

>>28607922
>Why not just build an outlet around all parking spots?
Holy ...fucking .... SHIT do you think we just build shit like Roblox?

>>28607922
>Why not just build electrical outlets where the cars are parked right now? It's literally just running electrical cable and setting up outlets.
Are you really that ignorant to how much of a logistical nightmare that would be? That would be a multi trillion dollar project.

>literally only an americuck problem with your inferior electrical network and 120V
Like I said... Europe is even more fucked with your thin wire and a single 5 amp breaker feeding your entire "flat".

>>28607926
Where am I wrong?

>>28607927
>>28607929
>we don't already run electric infrastructure down every single city street for street lights, traffic lights, the buildings next to the road, etc.

>>28607930
>Dude just splice in wires from light poles to parking spaces
Hahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahah no really how old are you?

>>28607222
it would be fine if it was like 1960 futuristic cars like one powered by nuclear energy

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>>28607236
rvtrn to 1970 gas

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>>28607221
Legacy automakers must die off. Let a handful of strongest adapt and survie

>>28607231
>>28607221
The battery is the common point of failure on every electronic doohickey I've ever owned, and usually the first (oftentimes only) component I need to replace.
With that in mind, there's no way I'd ever I'd buy a car where the cost of replacing such a significant, high-wear component is in the quintuple-digits.

>>28607854
>we have to ban all cars to reduce pollution
>but i never mention the handful of chinese container boats bringing shit over that emit more pollution than all the world's cars combined
lmao, really interesting how you leftist faggots become so concerned about the environment only when you can use it as a lever to strip freedoms and introduce totalitarianism state forced homosexuality.

>>28608004
Not to mention all the charging stations that are powered by Diesel generators

>>28607922
>If you're living in a city you're not most likely spending a lot of energy
Huh? Are you insane retards trying to say that metropolitans consume less energy than country bumpkins due to cars??

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>>28607221
I think the problem is just infrastructure.
I live in an old neighborhood that can only support about 10% of the car is being EV here.
To change that you have to redo the wiring for thousands of homes.
That would cost the city probably a billion dollars.
It's just not viable up here.

And if you want to charge using solar panels, you're spending $50,000 like my neighbor to charge a single Tesla.

>>28607575
>forty thousand dollar plus cars are marketed to people with no access to any outlets
are you just pretending to be retarded or what?
I know rentoids that charge their shit in a fucking public parking garage
it's not that fucking hard

>>28607927
Bro it's an outlet
some wire, conduit, and a receptacle

Look everybody knew there was no demand for EVs but STOCK PRICE GO UP.

>>28608106
Having 3 or 4 above ground chargers that are attatched to extension chords is much different than having 800 charging spaces you fucking dumbass
>>28608111
Yeah dude that's all it is, probably can get done for like $200!

>>28608103
logistics, practicality, demand, etc. The simple notion of our shipping industry being converted to electric is fucking laughable

>>28608160
>Having 3 or 4 above ground chargers that are attatched to extension chords is much different than having 800 charging spaces you fucking dumbass
It's a giant concrete fucking parking garage, and there are outlets all over the fucking place. You have to pay for a permit to park anyway because city living is fucked, but at least you get free electricity.
>>28608160
>Yeah dude that's all it is, probably can get done for like $200!
It would take some doing, but installing some fucking outlets is not the herculean task you're making it out to be.

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>>28608163
I think maybe in 20 years all semi trucks could be EV.
I think a lot of cars in 20 years will be electric, but they just pushed this too quickly.

What they should have done was start setting up EV infrastructure 10 years ago and slowly ramped it up.
Instead of trying to ban gas cars ASAP.

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>>28608165
>It's concrete
Yes which means wiring is even more difficult
>outlets everywhere
What the ever living fuck are you talking about?
>Free electricity
What in the EVER LIVING FUCK are you talking about?
>ripping up concrete on order to splice into the electric grid that was built to power light poles on order to prop up millions of electrical outlets, then repaving everything back to normal is like ez pz
You either completely fucking stupid, a child, or insane.

>>28608181
Retard.
I'm talking about an existing parking garage with existing outlets that a real normie with a real tesla charges his car in without issue every fucking night.
It's not complicated.
Christ.

>>28608175
>I think maybe in 20 years all semi trucks could be EV.
You are extremely stupid if you think electric semis are going to be carrying 20 ton cargo even this century, let alone the trucks with permits to carry double that

>>28608182
Have you ever parked in a parking structure in your life? What the fuck are you talking about "outlets everywhere" and how the fuck does it being a "concrete structure" mean it's going to be able to wire in outlets for every spot? Explain how you think construction workers and electricians will accomplish this retarded bullshit youre bring up

>>28608185
Yes. It's where I park my car every night. A real parking garage with real outlets all over the place. Not every spot, but they're on the supports. Hard to believe, I know.
I mean, a building with outlets? Who's ever heard of such a thing? Lemme tell ya, they got some fancy stuff in the big city.

Holy fuck.

>>28608191
>theyre all over the place in this one designated spot therefore we can put them all over the place
There is no single chance you are over the age of 16

>>28608194
>in this one designated spot
How many support columns do you think a 5 story municipal parking garage has? Because it's way more than one.

You're unbelievably dense or just trolling.

I'm countering your argument that rentoids can't charge EVs with my direct experience of rentoids charging their EVs in perfectly mundane places without any fucking issue.

120v outlets aren't some groundbreaking new technology that will take decades to roll out, they are already everywhere. Believe it or not they just put them in when they build other stuff. Very forward thinking.

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>>28608202
No, you're an absolute mongoloid fucking retarded person. There hundreds of spots and only a dozen or less beams what the FUCK are you talking about "theyre everywhere" god damnit you fucking child

>>28608206
Do you want me to go walk over to the garage and take a picture of the tesla charging there? Because I will.

>>28608212
What the fuck does 1 tesla charging have to do with what we're talking about? I already said there are a few meme charging stations out of the hundreds of other parking spots. What are you on about?

>>28608215
It's not charging stations.
It's regular fucking outlets.
There's columns every 3-4 spaces, each one has a receptacle with 2 outlets. 5 floors. Across the whole garage there's gotta be at least a hundred. Far, far more than the number of EVs. This whole conversation started because you're absolutely convinced that finding a regular ass outlet to plug your car into overnight is some impossible task.

>>28608221
HAhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahhahaha you are a fucking IDIOT HOLY FUCKING SHIT AHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>28608084
Learn to fucking read. It's obviously talking about car energy usage.

>>28608221
If everyone plugged into the random 120v outlets to charge their cars at once it would blow so many breakers it's not even funny. How old are you???

>>28608230
Posts from a sane, well adjusted mind

>>28608236
Buddy you might as well be saying that someday it'll rain gum drops and that'll solve world hunger. You have a complete misunderstanding on how reality works

>>28608106
Uhh did you mean to quote someone else? I asked for the day you're getting gender affirming surgery!

>>28608212
I want you to show me the hundreds of 120v outlets in your parking garage.

>>28607998
Are you comparing the 12v battery to the actual 50kWh in an EV?

>having a full on melty because someone said its actually not hard to stick a plug into an outlet, even living in an apartment and parking in a municipal garage

>>28608247
>Believing in gum drops and fairy tales

>>28608221
Seriously? Go take pics right now.

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>lost technology

>>28608256
>hundreds of EVs charging at once
>pulling an ungodly number of amps

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>myths
>fairytales

>>28608181
>>28608185
>>28608206
>wiring is difficult in concrete parking garages
Nigga just run the wires on the surface. It's a fucking parking garage, there's no need to hide the wires.

>splicing to existing wiring and repaving
Oh this is just bait. Obviously you'd run a new power line into some cabinet and then do surface runs on the walls and the roof from there. Let's not forget that many parking garages in arctic areas already have an electrical outlet for every single parking space to use a heater. So there's plenty of real life examples of it already being done.

>no support beams
Install the outlets on beams hanging from the ceiling. Like the lights are already hanging from the ceiling. And would you look at that, even the lights that were designed there from new are done using surface ran cables.

>>28608259
This whole thread is about how people have been slow to adopt EVs and you think there are hundreds of them parking in one garage?

I hate this place and wish it never came back. Seriously I was almost free from you retards forever.

>>28608184
I mean battery technology advances is pretty quick man.
I remember as a kid electric cars had like 30 mi of range and were slow as fuck.

>>28608264
Maybe EV adoption would be faster if every parking garage was fully electrified. Ever think about that?
>>28608263
>Let's not forget that many parking garages in arctic areas
>there's this niche area where less than 1% of the country lives, so we use this solution for the other 99% of people with no issues
Retard-coded response.
>Install the outlets on beams hanging from the ceiling.
>suddenly have like 20 cars charging off a line meant to power a few LED street lamps

>>28608261
Look up how long it takes to charge a Tesla on a 110 volt outlet anon.
Even a 220v 40 amp outlet is slow to charge EVs.

>>28608277
What part of
>run a new power line into the garage and do the EV charging outlets from there
didn't you understand?

Also the fact that 1% of the country has already done it decades ago shows that it's actually a feasible and working solution.

>>28608280
Which is why you plug it in overnight to replenish the ~30% you used on your commute.
>>28608277
>Maybe EV adoption would be faster if every parking garage was fully electrified.
Possibly, but it's a little late to run more conduit now that all the concretes been poured. Either way, there's still >10x the number of outlets to EVs parking there.

>>28608276
>I mean battery technology advances is pretty quick man.
Where? This bullshit has been being shilled for 20 years now and it's still a grift
>>28608264
If 72 people showed up to your mom and dads house (seeing as you live with them) and they all plugged in their phones to your outlets What do you suppose would happen?

>>28608280
And how many miles is the average daily car usage? If you can charge 30 - 40 miles overnight it's enough for almost everyone on a normal basis. Yeah it's not going to charge your car to full overnight if you arrive with an empty battery. But you're usually arriving home after your commute and being able to fill up on those commute miles overnight is the average use case. And even if you need to recharge once a week or fortnight on a fast charger you can combine that with a lunch break or something.

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>>28608310
>If you can charge 30 - 40 miles overnight it's enough for almost everyone on a normal basis.
You are such a sheltered little snowflake goddamn

>>28608084
He's saying that if you live in the city you probably don't drive 100+ miles per day because you're in the city. It may take you an hour to get to work but it's only 8 miles away. Electric cars "idle" and drive in traffic very efficiently, it's the only thing they're good for.

>>28608317
>Electric cars "idle" and drive in traffic very efficiently, it's the only thing they're good for.
If you turn off everything maybe? The average commute to work is 42 miles both ways and if you add in traffic the EV is going to be a major pain in the ass

>>28608310
If 72 people came to your mom and dads house and plugged their phones in to charge on all of your outlets, what do you suppose would happen?

>>28608317
The mass majority of normal people live in the suburbs and drive to the city for work.

>>28608313
>>28608318
The average yearly mileage in the US is 15 000. If we divide that with 250 which is around the amount of workdays in a year we get 60 miles. And that's with no vacations and no road trips adding distance. Even if you had the 60 mile commute being able to add 40 miles overnight is enough that you'll have to fast charge during lunch about once a week. Wow. A huge fucking issue. In reality the people living in cities (where you have to rely on parking garages and can't install faster chargers on your own house) have shorter commutes so they don't even need as much mileage daily. And with the average daily commute of 40 miles you'll never have to charge outside home on a normal basis.

>>28608324
Even if they were all using 25 W fast charging it'd be 1.5 kW. That's less than my stovetop is drawing. That's less than my computers are drawing under load. As long as everyone brings an extension cord with them it's going to be fine.

>>28608317
If you live in a city (actual city or a real urban environment), you don't need a car for daily transportation. An escooter or ebike and public transit is fine for daily use.

>>28608326
And the retards trying to find excuses why EVs don't work is centered around not being able to charge in cities.

>>28608332
>If you only drive to work and back, have no traffic ever, and charge your car during lunch then boom no issues!
>if they all just bring an extension cord everything will work perfectly fine!

There's no way you're 18 years old. At most 14 hopefully

>>28608310
A lot of EVs can only charge around 30 mi with a 110v outlet.
My daily commute is 45 miles.
Do you have to add some just in case you forget to charge or have to take another trip.
I need 75 miles of range to drive to my girlfriend's apartment.

EVs makes sense if you have a fast charger at your house but other than that; it's very inconvenient

>>28608337
No that's you building a strawman with stupid ass fantasy projections
>>28608341
I don't even buy the "fast charging" bullshit. Those barely work on my phones

>>28608276
>I remember as a kid electric cars had like 30 mi of range and were slow as fuck.
When I was a kid electric cars weren't being mass produced.

>>28608332
>The average yearly mileage in the US is 15 000. If we divide that with 250 which is around the amount of workdays in a year we get 60 miles. And that's with no vacations and no road trips adding distance. Even if you had the 60 mile commute being able to add 40 miles overnight is enough that you'll have to fast charge during lunch about once a week. Wow. A huge fucking issue. In reality the people living in cities (where you have to rely on parking garages and can't install faster chargers on your own house) have shorter commutes so they don't even need as much mileage daily. And with the average daily commute of 40 miles you'll never have to charge outside home on a normal basis.
vs.
>Be me
>Fill up today
>completely forget about it for a week sometimes more unless I'm going upnorth (Still 1 tank can get me there)

>>28608341
And your EV battery is larger than your daily commute. You don't need to top up every single night.

I agree that relying on 120 V charging would be less than optimal. But even that would work for the average driver.

>>28608340
If I was regularly expecting to host 70 people charging their phones I'd have the equipment for it. Since I'm not I don't. It literally isn't an issue. My apartment building is adding EV charging outlets and they're under $500 each with labor included.

>>28608369
>I'm a retard and can't remember to plug my car in every time I arrive home
People in arctic areas already do this for half a year for their heaters even with ICE cars.

>>28608375
>If I was regularly expecting to host 70 people charging their phones I'd have the equipment for it. Since I'm not I don't. It literally isn't an issue. My apartment building is adding EV charging outlets and they're under $500 each with labor included.
LOL fantasy land cope strikes again
>I'm a retard
It's so funny how you've demonstrated you practically have to revolve your whole life around charging a piece of shit in comparison to just filling up once a week or less hahahahahah youre such an immature clueless dumbass

>>28608375
>And your EV battery is larger than your daily commute. You don't need to top up every single night.
By your own metrics you pretty much have to and this is all relying on 100% perfect conditions along with 100% perfect projections.
>We're all just gonna bring our chords and all find an outlet and all just charge ina few minutes and life will just allow us this convenience!

>>28608375
Nigger when there's 6 people sharing an outlet at the airport shit is virtually unusable who are you kidding?

>>28608375
>Dude just charge overnight and everything will work!
Okay what If I just got home for work and I have to run up to my sick relatives house or have someother pressing issue that came up?

>>28608401
A single 120V outlet puts out about 1.9 kW. In reality you'll have some losses so you'd have to use two outlets for all those phones if you wanted to fast charge all of them. Any space heater or an electric kettle is going to draw pretty much all of that. If an outlet can't charge 6 phones at once there's something massively wrong with it.

>>28608425
You'll still have hundreds of miles of range left to do so. But at some point in the coming week you might have to find a moment to fast charge it while running some errands.

>>28608430
>You'll still have hundreds of miles of range left to do so.
Not if I'm using your 120V outlet with an extension chord?
>All outlets have this output perfectly no matter what
If I run a space heater on the same outlet as my flatscreen the breaker pops. Are you just repeating this stuff from somewhere you've read or something?

>>28607344
My neighbour bought a Mach-E. He didn’t use the heater during winter because the range dropped too much lmao

>>28608434
Kek same thing happened to a coworker with his AC so if the one charging spot under a tree is taken he cries about it

>>28608433
The breaker pops because the space heater is designed to use as much energy as it can without popping the breaker. If you're a retard and add more load of course it's going to pop the breaker.

Yes even when you're using 120 V with an extension cord unless you just got home with an empty battery because you're a retard that can't remember to plug his car in after his daily commute. Don't buy an EV if you have a 150 mile commute and only 120 V charging. For the average person their battery will be either full or very close to full when they leave for work the next day if they plug their EV into a 120 V outlet after their commute.

>>28608445
You know in the winter the battery heater alone takes all the 120v outlet has to offer, right? Plugging into a 120v can actually drain the battery sometimes. Oh but every single EV on the planet would have a heater garage to sit in at night, right?

>>28608445
>unless you just got home with an empty battery because you're a retard that can't remember to plug his car in after his daily commute
This is childish and ridiculous. Your vision really does rely on a perfect world because there's been no shortage of times I've gotten home, had to run back to work because of an emergency and then had to head from their to my kids hockey game, then out for pizza with the team, and then back home after all of this. Given your best rational of "just charge it at night and everything will work out fine," it still seems wildly inconvenient and stressful in comparison to just filling a gas tank

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Oh my sweet merciful science! Wherever shall I find a suitable location to recharge my electric vehicle? And. oh! *shudders* I can scarcely conceive of the havoc that would be wrought should the poor delicate commercial energy infrastructure in this 500 car garage were to be confronted by the sheer amperage my Hyundai® Ioninq™ 5 (Now available! Only at your local Hyundai dealer!) would attempt to pull from its walls.

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>>28608464
>being this mindbroken

>>28608470
Brother you've been talking to other people for over an hour.
I went to go get some dinner and take pictures of a parking garage for an internet argument.

>>28608490
You took a picture and made a completely retarded and random post about it, sure.

>>28608464
What is this even supposed to mean? You're going to plug your EV into the backup generator?

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>>28608510

>>28608519
Okay? And those spaces are taken by non-EVs. Are you trying to imply theres a beam for literally every space in the garage or something?

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>>28608525
This is the first floor of a parking garage on a busy thoroughfare lined with a dozen restaurants on a saturday evening. Yeah it's a little crowded right now.
Floor 2 and up are practically empty, and the upper upper floors are restricted access, residents only.

>>28608531
Can you do a close up of the outlet please?

>>28608536
No.
It's an outlet.
You've seen one before.

>>28608531
That ever argument for Ev's boils down to "their not that bad" should give you the answer to why nobody wants one.
They are a step back in function and utility, the exact opposite of what an advancement should be. If they were better people would buy them.

>>28608539
They're good enough for a lot of people, and those people *are* buying them. The Ioniq 5 seems pretty popular so far, and there's no shortage of Tesla's cruising around. I see a decent amount of Mach-E's and the occasional Rivian too. I've only ever run into one Hummer EV tho.

>>28607392
I like how point out getting stabbed by degenerates when a car can fill up in 5 minutes and an EV has to wait at least half an hour for any meaningful charge

>>28608538
I dont see these massive amounts of outlets anywhere

>>28608519
>>28608531
Notice that this anon hasn't taken a picture of *'their' car plugged in?

>>28608555
I don't drive an EV.

>>28608543
see
>>28608455
All you've demonstrated is that you have to luck out with a parking spot and have no life if this is going to work

>>28608568
I've been in the area for a year at this point. I've never seen this garage even close to full. They're gentrifying the area hard so they built it with plenty room to grow.

>>28608572
Yes this is even referencing your best case scenario, which is why I included "have no life"

>>28608575
You don't have to get lucky to get a spot. There are literally always tons of open spots.

>>28608579
Retard, see
>>28608455
Even if you have a spot by an outlet it still requires having no life or anything pertinent coming up. I'm starting to believe you don't even have a car

>>28608454
wait till he realizes how long it takes to charge on 120v

>>28608587
>it still requires having no life or anything pertinent coming up
literally just plug it in when you get home and you will practically always start the day with the equivalent of a full tank of gas. That's all it takes. Even rentoids living in the hood can manage it, anon.

>>28608590
Oh dude you just have to charge it overnight! No big deal!
>inb4 some asshole just unplugs it at 1am or it gets knocked loose

>>28608595
>>28608596
Like pottery.
And it requires
>perfect weather, no traffic, etc.

>>28608596
see >>28607379

>>28608430
literal no. everybody cries about ev range.

>>28608599
city driving in heavy traffic is where evs excel

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>>28608600
I've never had a my gas tank drilled into but I've had cords fall out themselves or get unplugged all the fucking time idiot
>>28608603
Are you just going to repeat reddit talking points now?

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>>28608608
why would they put outlets ten feet up the fucking wall anon

>>28608614
That blurry spec is an outlet? Because the adjacent side you cropped out doesn't have any. Why the fuck would there be a random outlet there anyway?? You are completely full of shit lmao

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>>28608617
>Why the fuck would there be a random outlet there anyway?
To plug things in. Jump boxes, air compressors, EVs, etc.
Do you really not know what a power outlet is for?

>>28608623
No a parking garage full of random outlets would just attract shit loads of homeless people there's no way there's the amount you're saying

>>28608629
>No a parking garage full of random outlets would just attract shit loads of homeless people
The security cameras and cops tend to prevent that. Maybe you just live in a shithole.
>there's no way there's the amount you're saying
There are many, many outlets. Several times more than the number of EVs that park there. No shortage of open parking spaces either.

>>28607222
Kekd and checked.

>>28608643
>there are many, many outlets
I've parked in plenty of structure before, I know there are some located in specific places, but the notion these places were built with there being massive open public access to outlets is silly and untrue. And then your notion that anybody could easily own an EV and just rely on overnight charging is genuinely laughable

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So are you faggots going to kiss and suck each others cock or what?

>>28608646
>the notion these places were built with there being massive open public access
It's not open public access. It's a paid parking garage attached to an apartment complex. There's nothing stopping someone from walking in, but I don't live in a shithole full of roving fent zombies that want to steal shit and cause problems like you seem to. People around here just keep to themselves and do their own thing. Nobody fucks with Tesla guys charger overnight.
>>28608652
I wish, but I just can't for the life of me find a place to charge my EV.

>>28608655
Buddy I'm from Ann Arbor home of the left wing faggot if you're idea was at all viable there would be dozens of examples I could see every day

>>28608658
I hate to break it to you anon, but I didn't actually come up with the idea of putting outlets in a parking garage.

>>28607384
I double take at over 15 mile commutes one way. 14 miles can take me 40 minutes if the ONLY HIGHWAY ROUTE is under construction that restricts 4 lanes down to 2 (one of which serves a merging on ramp).
On an 40 mile one-way I'd be worried about getting to work at all in a road construction season. If I wasn't making solidly in 6 figures for the trip I'd seek other employment.
I also think employers should compensate employees for commute time, and my logic is this: if HR found an otherwise ideal candidate who was not able to reliably travel from home to office they wouldn't hire that candidate, so conducting a safe commute is literally one of my job functions, and I should be paid for it.

being able to recharge at home is worth it.

>>28607474
lel this man needs 20 minutes to find his dick and 30 minutes for a snack so he doesn't care about recharge time

>>28608375
>People in arctic areas
So retards, then.

>>28608719
How am I going to get the sweet smell of sewage without going to a gas station?

>>28608663
The guy who did certainly did not design them for EV charging. That would be absurdly expensive for no reason.

>>28608740
>The guy who did certainly did not design them for EV charging.
You can charge EVs off normal outlets. This building was built within the past few years, EVs were almost certainly a consideration. Probably part of the reason there is an outlet within 20 feet of every parking spot in the garage.

>>28608736
poop in a bucket

>>28608836
>within 20 feet
That is not designed for Ev's. That's just a normal parking garage. One designed for them would have outlets for every stall, likely tied into the user's spaces power bill because why the hell would a business owner spend 50k on electrical just to give away free power on top of that.

>>28607336
>and how often are you going to use all 200-300 miles of range in a day? even a looong commute would be half that
I drive from Houston to Midland about every other week for work, and then drive all around the Midland-Odessa area for days. One trip is about 2500 miles on the odometer over a span of 3-4 days, and I have to do that twice a month minimum. Lots of guys I know have similar routes, some go even further than I do. At one point when I was traveling more I put over 200k miles on a truck in a year. I can't even conceive of making an EV work for me

>>28608911
Then I think you understand that you and your colleagues represent an edge case and that the average person has vastly different driving habits from you. A plug in hybrid would probably fit your use case a little better, would help you save your gas until you have to do a longer trip.

>>28608911
It's always these road trip warriors in every thread. Most people don't drive more than 50 miles daily. For that end EV is ideal.

>>28608934
Plug-in like the dildo you enjoy leaving in your ass?
>>28608942
EVs are for faggots.

>>28607378
I think the real issue is apartment complexes not having charging. Instead of subsidizing EVs themselves, the government should’ve just went around building charging stations in middle and high income apartment complexes in large cities. They’re the perfect demographic for EVs. Lots of city driving and their near airports so they can just fly on vacation instead of roadtrip (which they probably already do.)

>>28607260
10 years driving the dreaded German engineering with just the regular maintenance and zero issues

>>28607532
Yes, at least literal boomers.

>>28609187
>with just the regular maintenance
more than you have to do with an EV

>>28607737
>Phones start to give out and fuck up past a few years
Only if you buy cheap ass androids. Try spending $500 or more on a phone and it’ll last 5+ years no problem.

yea they totally jumped the gun, so early in fact that China's EVs got beat so bad that they stopped selling them entirely kek

>>28609191
Not really, by now the battery would be on it's last leg, making me face another cars worth of repair

>>28609201
>unbolt old battery pack
>put new battery on
a real maintenance nightmare

>>28609203
>batteries are free

>>28608715
>I also think employers should compensate employees for commute time, and my logic is this: if HR found an otherwise ideal candidate who was not able to reliably travel from home to office they wouldn't hire that candidate, so conducting a safe commute is literally one of my job functions, and I should be paid for it.
Agreed. Doing that would also incentivize work from home.

>>28609198
>Try spending $500 or more on a phone and it’ll last 5+ years no problem.
Kek no

>>28608601
Retards with range anxiety cry about EV range. I've never heard anyone with a modern EV cry about range.

>>28608911
Congratulations, you're in the 0.01% of people with driving needs like that.

Americans love free markets and technology until someone else does it better than them. Remember what America did to Japan in the 80's? They will wreck hell just to preserve its power hegemony. And now EVs threaten that power hegemony too since it undermines their shitty car brands and their wealth of oil reserves.

Remember, America has no interest in improving the world. All Americans care about is personal wealth. Even the idea of paying basic taxes send Americans into a frenzy.

>>28607221
Who knew that forcing such drastic
change in so little time wouldn't work?

>>28609282
>range anxiety
Purely an EV thing

>>28607362
>I know a guy who says his tesla works good in the winter
sure sure, if you count not using heater and driving 20 below limit works good

>>28609299
Purely an EV thing experienced by ICE drivers. ICE drivers suffer from more EV range anxiety than actual EV drivers.

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>>28609282
all the ev fags at work cry about range and charging and are going back to ice when lease is up, nice try though faggot

>>28608836
lol good luck with that 30+ hour charge time

>>28609313
i toured, camped and offroaded all over scandinavia in a gas gurgling american pickup that on a good day could do 450km on a full tank, meaning i stopped at literally every.single gas station i could find because they are far between in the empty north. half of them didnt even have gas they only had diesel.
today ev's have longer range and can be recharged anywhere. there is electricity everyehere here but you can be 100km from the nearest gas station.

>>28609313
Take your meds.

>>28609398
While MTBing and hiking I've come across electric outlets in forests in the middle of fucking nowhere. Like you have a small single track trail for miles and there's a random outlet suddenly. Yet people act like the infrastructure for EVs is impossible.

>>28609510
Amazing. Vely coor. Random outret in folest means EVs are the futule and inflastluctule is sorved.

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EV stans are like the reddit atheists of the 2010s, you all are so insufferable, smug, and gay, that nobody else wants to associate with you. Have you tried not being wormy little pricks?

>>28607222
zoomers are like 20% gay

>>28610296
they also dont have $60k for a tesla

>>28607323
wouldn't be a problem if you had workers rights
>NOOOO MR SHEKELBERG DON'T FIRE ME I'LL BE RIGHT THERE I'LL.... I'LL RUN TO WORK!!!! PLEASE DON'T FIRE ME NOOOOO MY WIFE IS PREGNANT WITH HER BULLS SON I CAN'T LOSE MY HEALTH INSURANCE NOOOO!!!!!!!

>>28607498
it's another case of mutt retards confusing freedom and individual liberty with consumerism.

>>28610387
Meds.

>>28607222
Lel
Fpbp

>>28609226
>I’ll just continue to spend $300 on a cheap phone every 2-3 years.
t. sent from my 4 year old iPhone mini that has zero issues

>>28609398
Correct, EVs aren't very good for touring, camping, offroading, or just generally several hundred miles daily.
They make pretty good commuter cars though

>>28610568
Never said that.