Isn't it just crazy how the car market has flipped upside down? Unremarkable cars like this were $500-$1000 a decade ago. I feel so old.
Yea, life is so competitive now that a vehicle like this is seen as a ticket to making mortgage/rent/health insurance/investment payments vs buying something like a used BMW, going broke and ending up homeless.
>>28608755Are you suggesting a pre owned bmw is a bad purchase?
>>28608706if you think about it, it's pretty insane that a functioning car would ever be sold for $500. such complex machinery and electronics that cost millions of dollars to realize sold for less than the materials it's made of were worth.
>>28608781A new one isn't much better.
>>28608706>mfw thought used sienna market would cool down>they're not depreciating meaningfully until 10 years and 200k miles laterThey're supposed to lose half their value in 2 years. What is this chicanery? They're getting scalped harder than pickup trucks.
>>28608813Amazon drivers.
>>28608706Bro, we had no idea how good we had it. Welcome to the 2020s
>>28608784It's the cost of not wanting to bother with the trouble of keeping a clapped out vehicle running/getting it to run again. One part going on the fritz takes the value of all the other parts with it.
>>28608819This, I love my 22 year old car, but you're replacing things, that's why it's value should be nothing is because of the old car-ness of it.
>>28608706my theory is that in the pre 90s era - old cars = massive headaches. So people ditched them. Little did they know that the gen2 Taco or Civic that they had was actually just an engineering marvel that they could run on basic maintenance and never have a car payment again.
>>28608916Honda marketed the EK Civic in Japan as the 'Miracle Civic'. They knew it was peak.
>>28608916The 80s-90s cars compared to 2000s cars we're practically 30 years old at the time, go and look at a 1983 Honda carbureted piece of shit, and then go look at a 2003 Honda with nice fuel injection and ignition coils, good aerodynamics, nice materials in a modern interior, it's practically a spaceship, that's why the old cars dropped in value like a rock... then look at that same 2003 Honda 20 years later, people are like ehh, I'll give you $5000 for it, because the car is so goddamn contemporary, especially if it's in good shape
How many actual cars from 20 years ago are worth a shit today though? We only talk about the rare Jap models but the average American or EU shitbox hasn't fared that well. The lowest budget market is also inflated by poor immigrants/Uber drivers.
>first gen tundras are creeping up to 15k with 100k milesI had a nice one until a nigger ruined it, finding another even near it in condition was a fucking nightmare. It doesn't help craigslist is mostly dead and marketplace is nothing but the lowest IQ monkeys throwing out insane numbers for rusted out shitheaps with 300k or more miles.
>>28608935Toyota and honda tax is fucking real, but there are deals out there. The GM 3800 models come to mind. Aside from that the vast majority of americans can actually "afford" the lowest budget new car market as-is.
>>28608813Toyota tax. All other minivans are priced reasonably.
>>28608954>21k for 2016 honda odyssey with 140k miles>priced reasonablykys?
>>28608961Nah, I'll kill you.
>>28609013Based Oddy, those MFs are such good value compared to a memover like the Rav4 or the CR-V, which are good vehicles themselves, but everybody's bitch wife wants one so the value goes crazy.
>>28608706It's because new economy cars are no longer economical: neither in their purchase price or the cost to maintain them. People have discovered that the economy car segment is basically used pre 2009 vehicles and prices jumped accordingly.
>>28608706What kind of dream world are you living in? $500-100 cars were always "mechanics specials" and you had to know how to wrench on them. Trust me. All I've ever owned is $500 shitboxes. You have always had to spend at least $5k (in todays money) to get something usable as a daily driver for somebody who can't wrench or can't afford to take it to the mechanic every month. I also don't know why you think $500-1000 cars don't exist. Go to your local auctions and look for cars there. You can get cars that need some work but still run and drive for $1k or less OTD. You could also get off your ass and look at cars in the real world. Notice a car that hasn't moved in 10 years? Respectfully ask the owner or leave a note explaining how you would like to take it off their hands. Also not every car for sale is listed on the internet. Plenty of old people still use this thing called a "for sale sign".
>>28609050a $500 car then is $1000 car now, the same as a $3000 cars then is a $6000 car now.Everything costs the same, but the value of money has halved.
>>28609061If you haven't figured out how to make good money in 2025 you're pretty hopeless.
>>28608935So 2005 or earlier? C4/C5 Corvettes, E39's, Elises, 997/996's, 987/986's, Pontiac GTO's, TSX Type S, Lincoln Mark VIII, S2000, MR2, Celicas, Cobalt SS, 300/350Z, G35, Evo IV/V/VI/VIII, Mustang Cobra/Mach 1, CTS-V, Impreza WRX STi's, Pajero Evolution, Acura NSX, Mclaren F1.Some of these will have more legs than others.
>>28608706Normies realized that nu-cars are disposable junk and cars like these are the only way to get somenthing economical that actually lasts
>>28609400This, imagine being a normie and seeing people with like 2006 Civics having an easier ownership experience than someone with a newer 1.5T Honda or a ford egoboost that's misfiring during cold starts at way below 100,000 miles because coolant is puddling on the pistons when the car sits overnight.Suddenly 4,5,6 grand for that old ass car with 15-16inch wheels doesn't seem so bad, people are starting to respect and see beauty in the base model that isn't a nightmare when it seldom needs something other than routine maintenance.
>>28609421kek no one's gonna buy your overpriced 20 year old shitbox pablo there is nothing easy about a 20 year old car where parts are rarer and rarer by the day
Normies caught on to what mechanics drive, that's all
>>28610370This, like other Anons said, people know what's up now due to internet, the indestructible Jap shitbox is not some secret life hack anymore, you want that 500,000 mile car (when taken care of) you're gonna pay a fair price for it, the days of "just take it off my hands because everyone is offering me nothing are gone.
>>28608706I don't think these were ever that cheap. I sold my 2000 camry in 2023 for $5000
>>28608706Inflation is a mf, 18k in 2014 is 26k in 2025 ad it only gets worse the further back you go.
>>28610619They were $2,000 in 2019.
>>28608781BMW owners aren't exactly known for upkeep.
>>28608961>>28609013Snagged a 2016 with 46k miles for 19k. Relative to market I guess it's a good deal. Just cloth interiors because the Florida sun makes leather impossible to have.
>>28608706>a decade agoNo, you just suck at finding deals.
>>28610734>$1what are the odds that he's just testing the waters
>>28608706>Car marketYou mean the dollar losing 90% of it's value.
>>28608706just buy geo prism
>>28608916>my theory isWhat are you 15 fucking years old.It's simple.A car is worth less than the cost of a future repair.Older a car gets the more the balance shifts over to repair cost.Eventually a car is near fucking worthless even if it still runs.Well that's how it USED to be, but now everything with a totally blown out suspension and a transmission on the edge of failure is still being priced in the multi thousands.
>>2861132390s-2000s cars are less prone to critical failures.
>>28611336Uh huh sure grandpa.
>>28611342go suck some tranny dick, spook
>>28611347I think it's time for your meds and a nap, grandpa.
>>28608706It was sickening that people could get cars without loans. How does the bank make money this way? They can't, so things had to be corrected.
>>28608706>>28608916Most of the remaining 90s-2000s era USDM Toyotas that dealerships take as trade-ins are sent to auction and subsequently exported to Western Africa and Southeast Asia. I went to Cambodia last year and I was shocked at the amount of USDM cars on the roads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnk-0TEZldMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRdlrpZT5whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-drGzy2xghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XJ5kzeCp8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7xYhYJj8rghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi4oqeXTcMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHT-Wy7N46Y
>>28611355they need to go backso that our toyotas can come back
>>28611355how crazy is it that these were all so good that they had to ship them out to africa just to get rid of them and get people to buy a new shitbox
>>28608813Honda and Mazda are Toyota minus the hype. Now go do the sneedful
>>28608706everything is getting worse and more competitive and there's literally no end in sight.
>>28611355>sent to auction and subsequently exportedThis is a fucking crime. When can we hang everyone?
>>28611450No no no you see it's GOOD that you have to fight every foreigner in the world in hand-to-hand combat to get a job. Also both hands are tied behind your back because it's illegal to fight but only if you're white. You're just not trying hard enough!
>>28611438>muh awdThat's pretty much why I want the Sienna specifically.
>>28611355>sent to auction and subsequently exported to Western Africa and Southeast AsiaThey also just go to Mexico and never come back.
>>28611336>>28611347Just because the car doesn't have a blown out tranny or engine, doesn't mean maintenance doesn't add up, suspension arms, the struts, brakes on both ends seals leaking out, the power steering blowing out of the rack or the pump, 2000s cars are some of the best there are but it can total itself three times over if you're taking it to shops, it just is what it is, that's why if you're gonna pay like 5000 dollars for a 2000s car, it better have some fucking receipts to show people looking after this old piece.
>>28611355Those prices are unreal. It has to cost at least twice as much to value those for tradein and ship them overseas than the auction pays.So we're all getting pushed to financial ruin for people who can't get their heads out of their asses, can't stop killing each other for 2 minutes to figure out work ethic and farming, to have a car they can (probably barely) afford.
