What would ICE engines look like today if there wasn't a single regulation placed on them?
>>286124371000 horsepower would be the norm for sports cars. God only knows what supercars would get up to.
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>>28612437Manufacturers would still be chasing cost and efficiency for a myriad of other reasons.
>>28612493So that means pushrod engines galore. Based.
turbine engines on landsix figure horsepower numbersimagine
>>28612495ohc engines allow for greater efficiency
>>28612497Show me a 12,000hp ohc engine two men can lift. Oh you meant fuel efficiency? You can get 30+mpg from a 7 liter pushrod engine. There is no need for more efficiency than that.
>>28612496>3 hours of runtime tops>>28612504>There is no need for more efficiency than that.spending less money on gas will always be an attractive proposition to the average driver30mpg ain't shit these days
>>28612437I would think it would be something like high tech 90s engines.
>>28612508>spending less money on gas will always be an attractive proposition to the average driverNot in North America. People don't give a shit about fuel economy and the general population is happy with 30mpg especially when they get 400+hp and a V8 with that 30mpg.
>>28612513>the general population is happy with 30mpg especially when they get 400+hp and a V8 with that 30mpgthe general population does not drive 400+ hp V8sthey drive <200hp FWD CVT shitboxes
>>28612512You beat me to it.
>>28612513>400+hp and a V8 with that 30mpgThe fuck are you smoking? My Nissan VK56VD gets like 13mpg in the city, and i'm driving slow.
>>28612648My EJ20 gets 13mpg combined, and gas is $8/gal here. That's fine as an enthusiast proposition, but hardly anyone is these days.
>>28612517>the general population does not drive 400+ hp V8sYou're clearly a euro if you think that. Every second vehicle is a half ton pickup with a V8. The rest of the population drives 200+hp cuckovers.>>28612648Well the japs obviously don't know how to make a proper V8. Meanwhile an old Corvette without any AFM will do that and more and even most modern V8 pickups can tickle 30mpg under ideal conditions.
>>28612512yeah it might have taken longer to get there without regulations but people don't actually like their cars smelling like gas fumes and spewing huge amounts of NOx everywherethe 90s and 00s is where emissions control tech started to see decreasing returns, so that's the level it would probably stay at without government intervention
>>28612504>>28612513>pushrod engine>400+hp and a V8 with that 30mpgHow? going downhill with a tailwind? I seriously need to know how youre doing this.
>>28612648My c5 would get about 13 in the city but could crack 35 highway easily. V8s sip fuel when cruising barely above idle at 70mph
>>28612829I was using a Corvette as an example which is a little different than your Camaro. 30mpg is also 30mpg highway. They can do it because they're moving a lightweight and aerodynamic body and have extremely high gearing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNIZ25eBMco
Corvettes are goated cruising cars
>>28612684>You're clearly a euro if you think thatits so funny how 80% of the world population will own certain types of cars but americans on /o/ always single out euros for driving themthis is so rent-free that it's reaching catastrophic levels
>>28612862Ya ok wider than you ahmed
>>28612437They'd be making 80hp out of a 4 litre inline 6 that runs on leaded gas.
>>28612853Only make sense if you have a daily for when you actually need to get shit done.
4L v6 that makes 150hp
>>28612862>80% of the world populationIsn't white
>>28612940You say that like chevy didn't design the corvette to be a daily driver
>>28612948A daily for retirees, maybe.
>>28612437Absolutely the same since manufacturers would just pocket the money they didn't need to spend on emissions.
>>28612948Yes, the C5 in which you seem to own can hold, what, like one or two bags in the back at most along with the secretary you are banging. So yeah, Chevy designed it with that daily use in mind.
>>28612437>What would ICE engines look like today if there wasn't a single regulation placed on them?Depends on the market, but the norm for American engineering during the industrial boom was to make them heavy, clunky, and not particularly efficient. Like it or not, efficiency regulations did play a part in forcing automakers to actually use the caloric energy value of each drop of fuel rather than just dumping it into the cylinder and hoping it makes power.I don't know if anon is old enough to remember diesel prior to the oil embargos, but the fuel was literally considered trash to the point where it was basically the roadgoing version of bunker oil. Gasoline wasn't much better either. Modern fuel is a result of regulations in 2014 that made them energy dense, and now the newer 2023 regulations increase oxygenation of fuel (through biofuels) to improve emissions. Of course, you can use highly oxygenated fuels to just make more power with less air.
>>28612960>can hold, what, like one or two bags in the back at most wutThe c5's hatch is fucking massive.
>>28612960Yeah, daily use, driving to work, and going to the grocery store on your way home. I’m not sure what retards think daily use means. Five days of the week you go to work. You work for eight hours. Maybe nine on the clock with lunch. You drive home. You get groceries, or pick up dinner, or maybe you hit happy hour (responsibly of course). Every weekday. What can’t you do in a corvette? Shuttle around your kids, go do sports that need a lot of gear, off road? Those are weekend once in a while activities. So you don’t need a DAILY for your ONCE IN A WHILE ON THE WEEKEND ACTIVITIES. You need a WEEKEND CAR for that. So you get your WIFE a MINIVAN or SMALL SUV and you DAILY whatever you want because a DAILY needs only GET YOU TO WORK. The fact that RETARDS don’t understand this has been utterly ruinous on the car market. If you don’t have a wife and kids there’s virtually nothing you can’t do in a convertible sports car. Actual off roading, and major hauling - rent a fucking U-Haul.
>>28612994So like what I said then, its only practical if you own a second car. >>28612993>The c5's hatch is fucking massive.Proofs.
>>28613000No you retard the exact opposite. It does 99% of the things you need to do. It is extremely practical. It is only impractical if you’re a mother with children. Are you a mother with children???
>>28613000I don't know where you got the impression that corvettes have no trunk space. They famously have massive trunks to fit several golf bags. I've fit 5 golf bags in my c5 before.
Like no, it's not a cuckover family mover, it's a 2 seater sports car. You aren't using it to take the whole family on a road trip. But it's basically a truck with a sport car body. low maintenance v8, comfy boomer seats, and large cargo area make it about as practical of a 2 seater sports car as possible.
>>28612994Daily driver has always meant a car that can seat more than two people. The corvette may not be completely impractical as a daily but it isn't practical either.
>>28613004So by your logic a motorcycle is 99% practical as a daily
>>28613033>Daily driver has always meant a car that can seat more than two people.The fuck bullshit are you making up? Daily driver means car that is driven daily.
>>28613034Nta but unironically yes. A motorcycle + backpack or saddle bags is actually decently practical for day to day life.
>>28613048Having to dress up to ride is not practical.
>>28613054They make casual motorcycle gear. Motorcycle jeans and shoes exist with armor and abrasion resistance, a jacket is easy to throw on, and you put your gloves in your helmet.It's not anywhere near as impractical as the US pretends it is.
>>28613014>Image is not of a C5Strange that>>28613022I somehow don't think you can fit a second person in that car with all that loaded>>28613004>Its practical if you literally never move anything apart from yourself with it>No I just ask my friends to move all my shit in their real cars and trucks while I get to stand on my moral high ground of not being like 'other Americans'
>>28613059>Have a job with any semblance of a dress codeor>Get to wear all kind of S&M gear to go to your job at the scrap yard or bowling alley snack barDamn, you're right I need to rethink my life.
>>28613064>Get to wear all kind of S&M gearWe have very different ideas of s&m I guess.>>28613061You're really really dumb and I won't be responding to you again.
>>28613061>I somehow don't think you can fit a second person in that car with all that loadedhttps://youtu.be/OVG-FMEg9Lc?si=-um_L8UEtvViUa0Elolfucking retardalso c5 and c6 are extremely similar. C5 actually has 3 extra cubic feet of space than the c6.
>>28613068You know, with my car I can just sort of wear whatever I want and I can still operate the vehicle safely.>>28613068I got news for you my aspiring Mensa applicant: I think you gonna be replying to me again.
>>28613074Get a better camera
>>28613082not my video?
>>28612946It's like 98% but your point stands
>>28612862I have daily-ed 2 door sports cars all my life. Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros, you name it. They have worked perfectly fine for almost all my commuting needs and I live in Canada on top of that. There are only a few times in which a higher seat count/trunk space vehicle would be better, like when I’d like to carry more than 2 people in the cases when I had my corvette and 4 people with the 2+2s, and this wasn’t a common scenario. The other time was carrying large or heavy objects, like furniture, and I simply rented a U-Haul for that.What I don’t see mentioned here is these sports coupes tend to usually well, have quite a bit of power behind them, making overtaking and generally getting around NPC drivers on the daily commute that much easier. Furthermore they’re usually of the traditional front engine, RWD configuration and much easier to wrench on, which I do occasionally. Cheaper for the garage to work on too on days I can’t bother. Now granted, I don’t have kids. I do have a GF though. But if I did, I would’ve just had the wife own some hatch or wagon. There is genuinely no reason to own a cuckover.
>>28613167woops, didn’t mean to respond to that anon but my post still stands
>>28613167Based. Kill cuckover drivers.
>>28612850>They can do it because they're moving a lightweight and aerodynamic body and have extremely high gearing.no, they do it because they shut down half the cylinders, so you dont have an actual fucking V8 when you're cruising on the highway
>>28613064>>28613054Aerosmith r3 or klim hardanger or any other oversuit 3 seasons you can squid if you like or if perhaps your commute doesn’t involve the high way and you find the risk acceptable >>28613033No it doesn’t, it means car you drive everyday. Well over 99% of days the corvette is practical. >>28613061The days you need to move things that don’t fit in a sports car are few and far between and it costs 19.99 plus tip to rent a truck from Home Depot on the one or two days a year you need it. >>28613034I daily a motorcycle, I ride through the winter. The risk profile of riding in the winter isn’t for everyone, or else I would say yes I agree. It’s certainly more practical than most people think.
>>28613293Lol what the fuck are you saying? That's not even remotely true
>>28612437~800 cubic inch DOHC + 4-valve hemi muscle cars with biblically accurate carburetors and electronic ABS + TCS by 1980.I'm not shitposting either, picrel is from 1970.
>>28613449Nigger, do you not know about displacement on demand/AFM? GM has been doing this since the early 80s. Are you really this retarded? This is literally how a C8 gets its 27MPG on the highway rating and why companies made kits to delete this feature, and because it murders the lifters on LS engineshttps://www.lingenfelter.com/product/c8-corvette-dod-delete-kit
>>28613449>>28613808https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Fuel_Management
>>28613808>>28613811Started with the c7 ya silly goose
>>28613847lol no>General Motors was the first to modify existing production engines to enable cylinder deactivation, with the introduction of the Cadillac L62 "V8-6-4" in 1981.
>>28613808C5 didn't have that you dumb cunt, stop talking to me.
>>28613871The first CORVETTE with active fuel management was the c7.
>>28613877>>28613881congrats you retards. the C5 didnt get 30mpg which is what we're talking about with a 400hp V8
>>28613887>the C5 didnt get 30mpg?>>28612853
>>28613887EPA estimate was 26, 30 is chump change to achieve by shifting early
>>2861391727 ackchyuallyYou can easily get 30-35 highway
You can look at heavy equipment motors that essentially have no regulation beyond anti-nox emissions
>>2861250430 mpg is like 19 euros of gas for 100 kilometers
>>28613936Means nothing to me
>>28613927Mine is taken from fuel economy dot gov It’s correct for what I posted |:-)
>>28612684next time you're out, try actually counting how many V8 pickups you see vs I4 shitboxestrucks are outnumbered like 4 to 1
>>28612960You can load a set of spare rear wheels in the back of a C5
>>28613064>>Have a job with any semblance of a dress codeA real job will have change rooms and lockers available, because execs and upper management all like to ride their $15k bicycles to work wearing lycra.
>>28612496>tfw my car loses a fuel economy competition to the USS Iowa
>>28613808>27MPG on the highwayRookie numbers. My ancientc4 gets 30 highway and a c7 7mt can get 40
>>28614047I drive for a living and live in the Texas of Canada. V8's and V6's outnumber i4's by a lot.
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>>28612508>3 hours of runtime topsFigures for this please. Turbine engines can circumnavigate the planet in one hop.
STI wouldn't have been stuck with the EJ for so long
>>28612496Leno has or has driven one.
>>28617067Yeah because the 80/20 weight distro wasn't bad enough. Lets make it 90/10!
>>28617032>I (...) live in the Texas of Canada
>>28612513>when they get 400+hp and a V8 with that 30mpg.getting 30mpg out of a "400+hp V8" requires you to never actually use more than 150-200hp of it's maximum output
>>28617746If you're driving around town, then sure.For highway trips, though, it lets you cruise at 80-100 and get over 25 mpg, as opposed to most cuckboxes that get good mpg in start-stop situations but can't even get to those speeds without going WOT and tanking gas mileage as a result
>>28617775>For highway trips, though, it lets you cruise at 80-100 and get over 25 mpg,at which point you'll be using around 120-150hpthanks for misunderstanding fucking anything about how a powerband and fuel efficiency at speed works.get the fuck off this board.
>>28617795The ability to get to 400+ hp, at least if you're not driving a bomb, means that you can get good mileage at higher speeds. Any car that PEAKS at 150-200 hp would shit itself from a gas mileage perspective.Also pulls are fun.Way to misunderstand my point completely dumbass
>>28617869>The ability to get to 400+ hp, at least if you're not driving a bomb, means that you can get good mileage at higher speeds>car that PEAKS at 150-200 hp would shit itself from a gas mileage perspective.he's right, you are a fucking retard
>>28612944This, back in the days before emissions nonsense, inline 6 cylinder engines were making like 145HP
>>28617075Leno should’ve sold it to repay his gambling debts instead of getting the shit beaten out of him from the mob
>>28612437You can look at tank engines since they are not subject to any regulations
>>28622019of course they have regulations. the army demand a spec.
>>28613034Yes? Was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha
>>28612853agreed
>>28612437They'd fall apart in months and have explicit repair contracts you could only get at a stealership for a 90000% markup because regulations also include enforcing right to repair and reliability
>>28613887Mine has cam and headers to the tune of about 500 HP, and easily gets 30 highway at a slow cruise. That 6th gear is tall. I don't drive it every day but do commute in it a couple days each week. I run errands in it. I take the kids to sports in it. The trunk is plenty big for a folding seat and sports duffel.I've got a pickup for anything more than that.
>>28622242>kidsIsn't the Corvette more of "one kid at a time" kind of car?
>>28617049Thats in the air, with no traffic around to slow it down.
>>28622253Small ones go into the duffel.
>>28622254That's nice dear, how about some coco and a nap.
>>28622253Yes of course, but I usually only need to take one kid on any given day.
