I’m aware cars nowadays are mostly plastic leasebait, but still, if you were to buy a fairly recent, fun car with the intention of keeping it for a long time, what would you buy and why?
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>>28619486I don't think any modern (post 2010) cars are 'long time' cars. I know it's cliche, but they don't make them like they used to. Not because the car manufacturers are dumber, but because governments are. All the emissions regulations, with all the bullshit they need to attach to engines now, mean even Toyota will never build another '2 million mile Corolla' in present day. My advice? Find a non-molested classic (doesn't even need to be that 'classic', just something before the world went mad) and learn how to keep it running, and stock up on the wear and tear maintenance items (clutch, rotors, pads, pumps).
>>28619486With german cars I'm pretty sure your audience will be chasing after the next new shiny toy in a few years
>>28619494yeah but you need a B58. that means you can’t go too far back
>>28619498I only ever owned one BMW, it was a 1993 525i (M50 engine). Didn't like it, sold it. Prefer Jap or Jag.
>>28619502I’m considering the WRX STI final edition as a car to keep. I like how it drives and it tickles my rally fancy
>>28619541>$60,000, plus tip
>>28619494>>28619486Alfa Romeo Giulia. But even that has some plastic shit parts. Luckily you can upgrade the radiator and fix some of that. Maybe a Jaguar XK for a cruiser, but I think I’d prefer a lexus lc500 desu. Either seem solid for long-term use. For sports cars, an a110 or miata.
>>28619554>giuliaidk man Alfa Romeo ain’t doing so hot. I bet stellantis will end up shutting them down soon
>>28619562Yeah, for parts availability that’s true. Then again, spare engines are only $1100 and everything else is cheap as shit right now so you could stock up really easily on a lot of stuff. I also think it’s best to get a good car that fills its niche well (sports car, off-roaders, GT, etc).
>>28619541Surely not the current gen with the v6>>28619486I strongly considering an alpha platform Camaro SS for my next car. But in this economy I'm probably all shit boxes until after the crash
Enthusiast cars that have built a legacy, such as the Miata, Corvette, Mustang, and maybe some Porsches*. I'm willing to bet 50 years from now, you will still see various C8 Vettes like how we still see C2 and C3s today.I own 2 cars from 20+ years ago because they don't make them like they used to, and plan on keeping them for as long as I can keep them working. My next vehicle? Another 20+ year old vehicle. Either an imported UD Condor or a Jeep Comanche.
I bought a VB WRX because I can still stick a STI 6 speed in it and the motors are cheaper to aquire than EJs these days. It also has a free tuning platform using the same old tactrix cable you might already have if you had a Subaru. The only downside is the gay touchscreen and how pigfat it is.
>>28619486Pic unrelated I'm guess? Have you seen the bullshit a 15 year old BMW will put you through? E90s need their entire cooling system gone through the second you buy them. The expansion tanks and radiators are known to rupture, the hoses leak, the water pumps fail. They have stereo problems and cabin leak issues. If they're this bad at 15 years old how do you think they're going to fare at 30? E30s lasted because they're dead simple and well built and many of them were still killed by neglect because they have timing belts and heads that crack if you overheat them once. Modern cars are extremely complicated and integrated, all sorts of modules and shit to go bad and cause problems in other areas. Cooling systems made 100% of plastic from the water pumps to the fittings, plastic oil pans, CVTs, all stuff that will probably cause issues on a "forever" time scale.
>>28619486>if you were to buy a fairly recent, fun car with the intention of keeping it for a long time, what would you buy and why?Base model Bronco with the 4cylinder automatic. It's going to have a huge aftermarket, the engine is in everything, and it's not a stick so you won't get deadlines hunting dick shift parts that had a 2% take rate to redditors 20 years down the road.4x4 ensures the vehicle will have novel use in a world of ever increasing performance benchmarks. They don't "age out" of being fun by becoming slow af like all sports cars inevitably do.Trucks of fleet spec fall into the same category.
lx body baybee
>>28619780nuBMW is fine though
Unironically Corvette C8 Stinkray
>>28619486I bought a 2018 LC500 and a 2022 GX460 with exactly this thought in mind haha. Considering serviceability, parts availability, depreciation, reliability, future market desirability, most importantly present day enjoyment you can't do much better I don't think.
>>28619486Not a bmw
>>28619486Probably a basic non-Tesla EV with those durable LFP batteries. Didn't the old Nissan Leaf last pretty long minus its shitty degrading battery? I think that's the safest bet if you want modern and durable. I don't think Teslas will fare that well in the long run though.
>>28619780My E90 316i(which is almost 20yo) has had no such issues. Biggest issues were oil burning(which was a 350 Euroshekel fix) and worn suspension components which I have tackled a little already.Maybe it's a Made in Mexico and Made in Deutchland difference?
>>28621152Watch out guys we got a unicorn ITT
>>28621177>auto onlycan't even
>>28621177a sniffer 10x uglier than nuBMW
>>28621167Why would you say such a thing?
>>28621152I don't think they make the plastic radiators, expansion tanks, hoses, etc, in mexico my guy. That shit is all made in asia.
>>28619486Gen 2 Tacoma with a 4.0
>>2861948610th gen Honda Civic with the n/a 2.0 liter and a 6 speed
>>28619597>Surely not the current gen with the v6What's wrong with the 1GR?
>>28621177pussy you better show up to our n/o/rcal meets
>>28619486It's like trying to turn an elephant into a racehorse. Or trying to buy your "forever clothing" from Forever21 slop or H&MYou simply don't.You cannot change the system. It's too late. Everything is disposa-trash meant to be enjoyable for 3 years. After that the suffering begins.If you can't afford to rinse-and-repeat, you can't play this game anymore.Don't get mad at me, go Minecraft every fucking human you see in public, NOW.
911
>>28621573Mainly it's not a 3UR but is in places a 3UR should be. Like a Land Cruiser, or Tundra. At least with the land cruiser they offer 3/4 the truck and 3/4 the price tag.
>>28622090>lada>reliablelmfao fuck off, this isn't an ak47
>>28619486Hasn't been a thing since the 1990s, with very few exceptions like an LFA.
>>28619486>Toyota but premium>Convertible>Actually looks nice
>>28622238>Actually looks nicelol
Anything relatively unmolested that isn't a domestic disposable shitbox (cruze, dart, etc) or german whatsoever from 1992 to 2016
Frontier>minimal screens>old drivetrain>no component screams "will break in 5 years">supercharger kit availableLc500>last reliable Lexus drivetrain before turbo 6 everything>incredible interior >unique enough to want to maintain forever>looks like a spaceshipGiulia QV>lightning in a bottle platform that humbled even a 911>unique looks>screen integrated into dash>the only unreliable parts were easily replaced electric consumables like a relay and battery>unusual badge with enthusiast cachet Evora>last reasonably priced lotus>great handling>V6 only>pre-geelyAny V8 Blackwing manual>American muscle that isn't a hellcat>spooky good handling for the size >kind of questionable cabin electronics>comfortable>actually looks pretty goodI'd exclude modern BMW because of their awful steering and chintzy interiors, same with Merc and Audi. Porsche is always going to have modern classic status for the 911 but they're turning into commodities, turning into a baseline to compare more interesting cars toI think most full-size trucks including raptor/trx fall into the trap of too many screens to really last. Toyota doesn't make anything that will be both interesting enough and last long enough to achieve any sort of classic status. Honda gave up on making anything remotely interesting
GR Yaris, but they're way too expensive.
>>28619486Arguably Subaru's. They haven't changed shit in 30 years and I see just as many 20-30 year old Subarus in my area as equal age Chevy's, Toyotas and Hondas. What they have changed is mostly aesthetic, and Subaru re uses so many parts in their designs that you'll pretty much always be able to find stuff to fix them. They also handle nice and are enjoyable to drive.>>28619527The STI is the best drivetrain Subaru has ever built, hope you enjoy it fren>>28619615Not really that pigfat all things considered within 200 lbs of the ones 20 years ago. They feel bigger than they are due to being wider and longer wheelbase. But, congrats, enjoy the best open deck 4 cylinder Subaru has ever built, they're going to be a future classic.
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>>28622314nice cope russian fag . u know even russians don't buy this crap and instead choice chinese shitboxes
>>28619486none,once the software is outdated and discontinued half of the car is useless at best or just stops running at worst
>>28622272>lasting forever>gm, nissan and pasta shitlmao what a little retard
>>28621177based, hope you are enjoying it anon
>>28619486Nothing. Ride a bike or call an Uber. It's literally cheaper than paying a loan, gassing up a car, registering and insuring it, and maintaining it just to have to take out another loan in 5 years and do it all over again.
>>28622359>bikeyes>call an uberno
>>28622329that’s why you don’t buy shitboxes and embrace the 911.
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>>28619486Build your own fully mechanical carbureted kit car dumb stupid idiot retard fool
>>28622748you can still get factory new parts for even the very first 911. There truly is no substitute.
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>>28619780Is it possible to take a car and turn it into a "dumb" car? Remove all the tech yet still have it working? I kinda wanna get a nu-WRX, drive it until the engine has issues, then LS swap it or put an otherwise reliable engine in it. Can't you just take all the tech out of it at that point and have it just run as a dumb car? All you need is the wheels spinning no?Also clearly I may not have the required knowledge to swap an engine, I'd have to pay someone to do it. Is that something that's even economically viable?
>>28621382UnderstandableSo when are my plastics supposed to blow up? I do have to confess mine is kinda low on the oddometer(approaching 170k) for it's age and I don't know exactly what had been replaced before I got it(some relative owned it that passed away, he had no children)
Miata. It's still made by the old ways.
>>28623019>Is it possible to take a car and turn it into a "dumb" car? Remove all the tech yet still have it working? I kinda wanna get a nu-WRX, drive it until the engine has issues, then LS swap it or put an otherwise reliable engine in it. Can't you just take all the tech out of it at that point and have it just run as a dumb car?If you have to ask this, the answer is "no" for you. It's both beyond your technical abilities, and by the look of it, beyond your budget (since you want a WRX instead of something better). Every single little thing is on a network, integrated by modules, in a modern car. The power windows are controlled by a module, the lights are controlled by a module, the stereo is integrated on the network with other modules. Yes, you could de-modernize a car and throw all of the fucking modules away and put everything on switches and relays like it was until the 2000s, but it's an immense amount of work. Even engine swapping is a pain in the dick these days if you want to do simple stuff like retain the OEM gauge cluster instead of some ricer digi dash screen that looks a toy, which is why nearly every swapped modern car you see has one of those shitty looking AEM/haltech/whatever screens where the stock cluster used to live. To integrate you have to break into and reverse engineer OE systems, and that's difficult (DIY) or expensive (paying someone else)
>>28622329>>28623019>>28623105You can run a 25' WRX off a speeduino or equivalent homebrew controller. The manual ones are still relatively simple(you're probably not skillfull enough to doom it but still it's an option if you want to learn)The CVT ones with eyesight should be avoided though as they have extra modules in them that would also need to be reprogrammed/ replicated/ relaced.
>>28623105See I've never liked responses like that"If you have to ask, you can't"People can learn how to do anything, even if they have to start from 0, and the first step is asking if it's possible. We live in a world where people have done crazy shit like mod a Lambo for off-roading, and they started at some point with less knowledge than you or me.
>>28623872People who have the wherewithal to do it don't have to ask if it's possible, they have an intuitive sense of RTFM and will do the research and find out themselves, you petulant zoomie bitch
>>28624385you're right, it's fucking stupid for someone to come to a thread on a forum full of enthusiast autists to ask if they're aware of something being done before pursuing the idea any further. wanna touch dicks or something, doesn't seem to be much to talk about huh grumpy
>>28619486It's hard to know because the newer drivetrains and chassis that will hold up aren't old enough yet to have proven themselves.
>>28622238Lexus makes cars for people who use their <$20/hr wage to buy designer t-shirts, sneakers, and gold chains
>>28623872>We live in a world where people have done crazy shit like mod a Lambo for off-roadingThat's so much easier than retrofitting your own custom ECU into a modern car and if you can't understand why then you do not have the requisite knowledge to attempt either task.
>>28624545Huh
>>28624560There aren't people you can just pay to do it for you? I just want an LS swapped Crosstrek rally machine.
>>28622325We love nivas desu, great shitboxes for long mountain range drives. What’s the kvetching about
>>286194862002-2003 is the cut off but there are few engines that are of older design that have slipped through. Id get a used 500 abarth or 124spider just to make /o/ seethe
you may not like it but… V6 Chally
>>28619580>I just paid $60 for 8 italian crush washers>nothing in stock on rock auto>shops dont know how to work on themyou guys must not be in the states. It sucks owning an italian car here.
