manualbros, how were you taught driving?my stupid instructor only taught me to pull away with just the clutch, it was a new car so it added gas automatically to stop the engine from stalling. but now i tried an older petrol car and it just stalls all the time, it's like i'm back in my first driving lesson again. what to do? should i just become an automatic cuck?
surely the answer is staring at you in the faceslowly press the throttle as you lift up the clutch. imagine the seesaw motionwith time even cars from 20 years ago can be moved with the clutch alone
>>28626520Get used to it? What kind of question is this.
Every clutch is different.
>>28626520>my stupid instructor only taught me to pull away with just the clutchSo stop doing that?Just add gas.
>>28626528it's impossible for me, i tried for hours but i can't pull away smoothly, it either stalls or lurches forward.i have really strong muscle memory so i can't get used to doing it differently.i've heard diesels are easier to get going, maybe i should try one of those?
>>28626520Get a feel for the bite point. Don't be scared of letting the clutch slip a little, it's a wear item after all.
>>28626520Bit of trial and error practice; but knowing what the clutch is doing, and what the pedal is doing to the clutch pad made it really intuitive.
>>28626541>i have really strong muscle memory so i can't get used to doing it differently.Good way to say you're fucking retarded
>>28626520Remove starter.
>>28626520I learned to drive a Farmall model A when I was 12 years old. It had 19 HP and totally unsynchronized gears.
>>28626555kek>good luck when you need a new carIt takes me a couple minutes to adjust to old carsearly 90s or older because some of them are just weird or worn outbut anything newish is no issue at allWhen I started driving I would raise the rpm to about 2000then I would let the clutch go slowly without dropping the rpm significantly and not moving tha gas pedal
>>28626594>then I would let the clutch go slowly without dropping the rpm significantly and not moving tha gas pedalyeah, that's the bit I struggle with, my left foot automatically starts to rise off the clutch as soon as I feel the car is in motion, so it either stalls or lurches forward depending on how much throttle I give
Your instructor taught you correctly:>Put it in 1st and slowly release the clutch (with NO throttle) to get moving.>You will quickly learn the "bite point" and how to do it. Just release until it just starts biting then feather it out slowly after that.>Once you learn that, start adding throttle just before you're at the bite point so you can release the clutch quicker instead of feathering it out.Any car can move with just the clutch. Trying to start with adding throttle makes it harder to get a feel for the bite area.
>>28626601So stop doing that. Why is this hard? >guys when I stomp on my brake pedal my tires lock up, what do I do????
>>28626594>When I started driving I would raise the rpm to about 2000I think it depends on the car/clutch mostly. I used to drive my fathers 2L 150~hp or so diesel and it didn't need many revs to take off smoothly. Now, in my small 1.6L 115~hp naturally aspirated petrol sedan I have to give it a good amount of revs(close to 2000) for it to not feel like it's about to choke. Though the clutch may actually be on it's way idk
>>28626603>Any car can move with just the clutchAbsolutely not. A heavy car with a small gutless n/a petrol engine and no anti-stall software can't go anywhere without getting on the loud pedal.
>>28626609>tires lock upbro, do you even abs?
>>28626520My dad tried teaching me manual in a BMW, got frustrated when I stalled the car and quit trying to teach me. He simply handed my the keys to a manual Nissan he owned and said, "this is the car you'll drive from now on, sink or swim". Figured it out from there.
>>28626610op here, are diesels really easier to get going?i was looking at a mk4 mondeo with the 2.2 tdci engine, but i really don't want to make a fool out of myself by stalling it with the seller sitting next to me.
>>28626625Dude it's not that difficult, you're really considering a whole different vehicle for this?
>>28626520Give the clutch more time and add gas. Friend of mine ran into the same issue when he went from taking driving lessons in a modern diesel VW shitter with a bunch of driver aids to his own 15 year old 1.0l Japanese shitter with a throttle cable. Took him like 2-3 drives to get used to it.
>>28626635unironically, i've been driving some rental automatics recently and it feels so nice and relaxing without having to worry about any of that manual shit
>>28626520I was taught to set pull away with the Gas and clutch and to wait before the car was about to stall while braking instead of pushing both the brake and clutch pedal at the same time like some sort of Neanderthal
>>28626603>Put it in 1st and slowly release the clutch (with NO throttle) to get movingEvery car I've driven would stall if you didn't use a little gas
>>28626670New ones with decent engines don't, I've driven a Toyota Corolla and a Skoda Octavia, both less than 5 years old, and you could hear the engine throttle up by itself when you started lifting the clutch in 1st gear. Makes a smooth getaway really easy.I've heard you can do it with diesels too but I've never driven one myself.
>>28626610I think this may have something to do with injection type rather than fuel type.Direct injection engines should have more torque low down.
>>28626641you sound like a giant retarded faggot, automatic is perfect for you.
>>28626520self taughtjust give it a bit of gas while letting the clutch out smoothly. it's ok to let the clutch slip
>>28626520"My stupid instructor"And yet here you are asking 50iq questions.....
>>28626520Idk how you retards manage to mess this up all the time. There’s literally nothing to it just lift the clutch pedal as you press the gas. They should be treated like opposites. The amount you lift the clutch is the exact amount you press the gas
>>28626520I learned to drive on an automatic. I then bought a manual and figured it out.
>>28626540The tank is already full.
>>28626520Stalling happens when you let the RPM go too low. Have you tried not doing that?
>>28626763the car should be smart enough to raise the rpm itself, why should i do it?
>>28626520Let it out til it starts to grab, then give it gas so it keeps grabbing.
>>28626520I dreamed I was ripping an old evo. The dream was pretty much focused on shifting and the foot work. Then the next day I was given a manual car and could drive it right away. no joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nrMIJWQ7Ek
>>28626772It does, you can feather the clutch to move forward in first gear
>>28626772>the car should be smart enough to raise the rpm itself,You might say it should do that>automaticallybut then you may as well cut your dick off
>>28626520Dad tossed me the keys, $20 (ca 1978) and a grocery list and told me to go to it and make it snappy. I figured it out by the time I made it past the first red light. It really isn't difficult - if women in WW2 could manage to drive an unsynchronized standard transmission, a full grown adult beta male of today should be able to drive a fully synchronized standard transmission without mewing like a baby about it.
>>28626520>what to do?Have you thought about maybe giving it a bit of gas?
>>28626845It adds a bit of gas, it may as well operate the clutch by itself then.Op may as well stick to the bus.
>>28626520YouTube videos like best motoring
>>28626532Release the clutch slowly to feel the bite point. You can adapt to any clutch within 5 seconds.
>>28626932https://youtu.be/OFNqiWjKSAg?si=N-Hr18sPJOsG-H5g
>>28626939https://youtu.be/Nl5cFzcZ8YY?si=gUPeuXIIkirtrsCc
>>28626520just buy an automatic. manual in current year is for tryhard faggots and actual boomers
>>28626520what the fuck is the fourth pedal for
>>28626520I have a dad and he made me practice hill starts in our neighborhood until I could do it smoothlySo idk, get a dad or something
>>28626541>i have really strong muscle memorythats not how it works retard
>>28626772Wait, I've seen this unbelievably retarded statement before. Did you post about this a couple weeks ago complaining about the same garbage?
>>28627155It's a dead pedalYou press it when you want to kill yourself
>>28626520you know the clutch isn't an on/off switch, right? start pressing the gas pedal before you stall
>>28626543>it's a wear item after alla wear item that will cost you a couple grand to replace in the US. no biggie
>>28627228Maybe learn to wrench, faggotIt will also last like a decade
Stressed the fuck out stalling repeatedly with my autismo dad giving me a completely confusing explanation of what's happening mechanically.As God intended
unironically learned manual on sims. no one had a manual car at the time. didn't get a grip on bite points or anything put pulled through on gaymer power.
>>28627232the average person would get filtered before they even drop the tranny
>>28627235I don't get how, takeoff is the one thing sims can't replicate well at all.
>>28627241I used a wheel for gt sport and some of the road car takeoffs were somewhat accurate. AC was much better for it.
>>28627240Not my problemYou're on an automotive enthusiast board, wrenching is a basic expectation
>>28626520My parents bought me a 2k civic and I I learned in the alleyway. My dad went with me and got mad and yelled at me for not understanding how it works so I eventually got the feel for it on my own. Fucking boomers
smash both the clutch and accelerator pedals into the carpet and dump the clutch when you reach maximum revs.
1987 mazda b2000had no power so it was 100% stalling if I didn't give it gas but the clutch was goodThere are some cars you just can't smoothly take off in but they are like ferraris n stuff
>>28626625Diesels have lots of torque at low revs so they can move the car at idle with just the clutch. On the flipside if you do stall the engine it's not gonna gently putter like a petrol, it'll shake the entire car like an earthquake. Generally speaking a diesel is less newbie friendly than a petrol.
>>28627278any decent capacity petrol car also has enough torque to move off in 1st with no gas. My 2 litre Rav4 can do it.
>>28626520>My stupid instructor taught me the objectively correct lesson of bite point muscle memory and clutch control when starting off, the single hardest part of learning manual >However I am too much of an idiot to figure out how to mix in the gas pedal when required without a computer to do it for meHonestly yes buy an automatic because you're ngmi
1. HOLD the gas pedal at 2000rpm.2. Slowly lift up the clutch pedal.That's it. Unlike the seesaw method this one is foolproof.
>>28627314>Rav4 What model year?
>>28627484that's what i've been trying to do, but it's really tough, even the barest touch on the gas pedal causes the revs to jump too high, and when i do manage to do it successfully it takes me so long it's not really possible in a situation where there is a lot of traffic.i think it might be because of the shitty old nissan qashqai i've been practicing in doesn't have direct furl injection, so it's just utterly gutless.
>press accelerator down fully>Drop the clutch>Don't release it>Move your foot to the side to DROP IT>Keep the accelerator fully pressed down till the tires stop smoking>Shift to 2nd and again pedal to the metal
>>28627256that's like expecting everyone on /v/ to fix bugs in games instead of posting about them
>>28627586That's not even a remotely accurate comparison, wrenching is a big part of cars as a hobby, debugging and coding aren't at all a part of playing video games as a hobby.
>>28627591depends on if you're a normalfag about vidya or not, same with cars. I know plenty of autists that have put together their own shitty games.
>>28626520>it was a new car so it added gas automatically to stop the engine from stallingadd the gas manually to stop the engine from stalling
>>286274972008
>>28627591>, debugging and coding aren't at all a part of playing video games as a hobby.holy shit how fucking stupid or new are youthe /ovg/ thread right now has a project to take an old racing game that only ran in DOS and make it work in Windows which involvs disassembling and reverse-engineering the code. the wizard in charge of the project is an actual race car driver who competes in usf2000 and runs a car with a livery from the game.
>>28627716>umm ackchyually this extremely extremely small subset of nerds are doing it, so that's indicative of what's normal in the hobbyI didn't say no one that plays games also does debugging and coding. God I hate how argumentative you faggots are, you need to turn every single post into the start of an argument.
>>28627972>I didn't say no one that plays games also does debugging and coding.yes you literally did>debugging and coding <<<aren't at all>>> a part of playing video games as a hobby.literally wrong from every possible standpointwhen i was a kid this is literally how you fucking played video games on pc because a large portion of them were just code in the back of a magazine that you had to type in yourself.you are a surface level brainlet babby who should learn to never opine anything he hasn't taken two seconds to think through. shut the fuck up.
>>28627981You should kill yourself for getting this riled up over a 4chan post and being this bad at reading you fucking geezer.
>>28627985>errmehgerrd he said the f word omg y he so mad at meeeeeusing direct and pointed language is not angerit makes you upset to be addressed rudely and ensures you cannot flippantly ignore itnow you will think about my words all day instead of for 2 seconds
>>28627992Listen you pathetic boomer, your argument is retarded. Playing video games in 2025 is not anything similar to playing video games in 1982 when you graduated highschool. Your argument is basically>if you enjoy cooking steak, you must also enjoy hunting because when I was growing up in 1735, that was the only way to get meat! A vast, vast majority of gamers don't know a single thing about coding and couldn't give less of a shit about it. Similarly, a majority of car guys are never going to drop a tranny and do their own clutch job, but basic wrenching is much more ingrained in the automotive hobby than coding is in gaming.
>>28627985This
>>28626520>manualbros, how were you taught driving?Driving? In driving school (Germany).Mastering the clutch? I'll get to that.>my stupid instructor only taught me to pull away with just the clutch, it was a new car so it added gas automatically to stop the engine from stalling.>but now i tried an older petrol car and it just stalls all the time, it's like i'm back in my first driving lesson again. The car I learned to drive on did the same. My first car and my fathers car for that matter did not. To say I did not know how to launch a stopped manual car would be accurate. It was so fucking bad, my father let out his primal rage at me. So much so that he beat me over the head with a metal shoehorn every time I stalled out for a few days.Learned it in short order and now (almost a decade later) I can start any car or truck from stop in their highest gear with only using the clutch pedal and no gas. No, it's not healthy for the clutch to handle that, I am aware. I was merely stating what degree of skills a parent can bring out of their adolescent children just by using bloody violence.I usually move my car off of a light that has turned green in first gear without any gas input and maneuvering during parking and such is done entirely without any gas. I can do this in 2nd gear without anyone behind me slamming their horn as well, but I don't do it too often.>should i just become an automatic cuck?No, it's not that hard, if autistic and severely hand-eye coordination impaired me could do it, a stud like you should be able to pull it off as well.>what to do?What really helped me is to understand how a clutch actually works. People get told "yeah just bring the clutch pedal up until the clutch starts biting" and people have no fucking clue what that pedal is actually doing.CONT in next post because my rambling was too much for 2000 chars. HIROSHIMOOT, DOUBLE THE CHAR LIMIT ALREADY.
>>28627499>even the barest touch on the gas pedal causes the revs to jump too highskill issuejust do it lighter
>>28628151CONTI assume you know dick about fuck: The clutch is a part that - speaking in a generalized manner - consists of two sides and helps bridge engine power to the drive train, facilitating gear changes by interrupting power flow for a moment.One side is attached to the engine's drive shaft and is constantly rotating as long as the engine is turned on (commonly known as the flywheel, the starter motor also meshes into the toothed rim of the flywheel when starting the motor).The other side is attached to your gearbox (known as the friction disk) and it's rotation depends on several factors:>Clutch disengaged (pedal fully depressed)The friction disk either rotates at the speed of your wheels (actually a factor of wheel speed * final drive ratio * current gear ratio). Means it only turns if your wheels turn, at a stop, the friction disk does not spin (this is the important part).>Clutch engaged (pedal not depressed at all)The friction disk is fully pressed against the flywheel, the engines rotation is transmitted through the clutch into the gearbox.If you are in gear, the gearbox is sending rotational power to the wheels, means you're moving. (Engine -> Clutch -> Gearbox input shaft -> Gearbox output shaft -> drive shaft -> differential -> wheels)If you are not in gear, only the input shaft of the gearbox is being rotated, no power goes to the wheels (Engine -> Clutch -> Gearbox input shaft). This is the case when your car is sitting at idle.>Clutch slipping (pedal not fully depressed but not not depressed either)Say you're sitting and want to get moving, what do you do? Remember the important part? That's the current state of your car. What you now do is put the car into first gear and slowly and carefully move the clutch pedal up until you feel the car shivering and the revs dropping. You inch it closer (not by literal inches) until you're about to stall out, if the car starts shaking, you inch it further away.CONT
>>28628179CONTYou do this until you've found the sweet spot where the car starts inching forward and then moves at a stead pace. If that has happened, you can slowly let go of the clutch while carefully applying the gas pedal to take up speed.So what is with the car when you do all that? The friction disk is slowly touching against the flywheel, taking up rotational energy from the crankshaft (which I falsely called "engine's drive shaft in my last post", sorry, am ESL), moving it into the gearbox.The friction disk is NOT fully pressing against the flywheel at this point, but it inches closer and further from the flywheel when you're playing with the clutch pedal. Your goal is to match the speeds of both so you can let go off the pedal and finally bridging the power. If the friction disk is not at the correct speed when you drop the clutch, you either stall the car because the engine cannot produce enough power to match the rotational speed of the friction disk (which translates to all the mass behind it, the gearbox, driveshaft, differential, wheels, car's weight) OR you were close enough and the engine can bridge the small delta of the rotational speed which translates to the car jolting forward until the engine can rev up to idle again.You can cheat this by adding gas while meshing the clutch, but if you overdo, the flywheel will be too fast and you'll either burn out your friction disk or stall out again.This really made it click for me ten years ago:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlCxj3-LhUIf you want to really master the clutch, find a large empty non-sloped parking lot and just train driving off without any gas input and only with the clutch. Do it in first gear, if you manage that, do it in reverse, then in second gear until you feel confident. You don't really need to do it in higher gears though.Best of luck.
On a failing clutch. On a failing clutch cylinder. On a manual DIY installation failure related to the clutch pedal. All separate cars of different ages by the way. >Manual Reliability
>>28626520>my stupid instructor only taught me to pull away with just the clutchlol even on motorcycles you need to add a little throttle while clutching out
>>28626520Embarrassing.
>>28626520gas should be going on BEFORE the clutch is fully released. I had a very rough 1st couple of weeks because my whole life idiots would say: "off gas, clutch in, shift, OFF CLUTCH, on gas" fucking WRONG. You always lean towards more gas FIRST as the clutch release point nears. You are technically riding the clutch a little but that is how manuals are meant to be driven. Youre never going to have this perfectly seamless transition from clutch-off to gas without a little clutch riding.
>>28626603I have old gasoline car with whatever 50-60 hp it has left and it can't run if you only use clutch to start moving. Our other car is diesel and it can start moving just fine.
>>28626520>how were you taught driving?My mother took me to a small park's parking lot. I stalled it twice and then remembered the Spongebob mantra:>big toeThen I just drove.
I have never driven a synchronized manual and I'm not sure if I could but I can drive a 10 speed crash box easily.
>>28627564this guy knows how to drive
>>28627232clutches are getting pricey . add in that everything is dual mass fly wheel now and your looking at like 1500 in just parts
>>28628424I don't have sex with men so I don't drive a car made this millennium.
>>28626520older cars are harder to learn manual on compared to newer ones. but i would just drive around the neighborhood to learn. you will have stop signs and dips and other things. then take it out on a sunday evening when its slower and just practice some more. interact with traffick. you will kill it, its just going to happen. but eventually you wont stall it anymore. one of the best and worst experiences you can have is driving in a traffick jam. you will have to go to nuetral to first and back 500 times.
>>28627052Insecure closet homosexual cope. You take it up the ass like your dad
I learned manual on a old destroyed renault megane with 200k km on odometerjust continue trying, you can drive any shitbox
>>28628151>>28628179>>28628196danke for your story Deutsch bro
>>28627155In ye olden dayes, it was for your high beams.
>>28626681I've got a new Corolla and it stalls way easier than my previous car, it needs gas to pull away. I've driven a Brand new Focus before and you could get away with just using the clutch but, only on straight and level ground
>>28626520>how were you taught drivingI got my loicense almost 10 years ago with some vw golf, it was easy as hell to drive, every gear was properly telegraphed in the stick, while my dad's 20yo peugeot 307 fucking sucks to drive to the point I quite literally stalled it when entering a roundabout and the retard behind me didn't see me stopping and crashed into us, almost got like that several times after that.Since I bought my hybrid car 2 years ago I never found myself not wanting to drive a car again, it's fucking mindboggling how I've never had any issues with this automatic car.
how i was taught to drive sticc back in college by a fellow student;step 0: shift the gears as the passengerstep 1: take your socks offstep 2: slowly let the clutch out to the bite point to get a feel for itstep 3: bring the revs upto 1.5k and as you slowly let the clutch out try to keep the revs therestep 4: once the clutch is out all the way you're driving
>>28629073isn't that just a small foot switch rather than an entire pedal?
>>28629265>I quite literally stalled it when entering a roundabout and the retard behind me didn't see me stopping and crashed into usKek, this exact thing happened to me during a driving lesson. My instructor (usually super calm and cool) almost jumped the guy, he was so pissed off.I always give cars with learner plates loads of room in case they fuck up.
>>28629286>I always give cars with learner plates loads of room in case they fuck up.I think that was during my second year of having the license, so I didn't have the L sign anymore, but still, you shouldn't be looking if anyone is coming when you've got someone in front of you, first let him enter and then you can care if you can enter the roundabout.
I manual swapped my car and taught myself. Only advantage I had was muscle memory from having a race sim
>>28626520this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PntTra6wJPE
>>28630033>here's how to drive a heavily computer assisted manual in your 30k Civic until the boosted to death engine blows up
>>28630049skill issue
>>28630049then you bore it over some add forged internals maybe change the stroke and compression. part of racing is rebuilding your car to make it better after you break it.
>>28628428you mean you dont have sex with men anymore.we saw what you did anon
>>28626520After I bought my Celica GTS, I tried driving it myself and almost crashed going reverse. Later in the week, my dad taught me by letting me drive around the neighborhood. A month later, I started driving downtown for University.
>>28626619>He simply handed my the keys to a manual Nissan he owned and said, "this is the car you'll drive from now on, sink or swim". Figured it out from there.So his answer to fatherhood is not being present, got it
